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I read that post you put there, so strike these comments I just made:

"The person who authored those statements, obviously had no regard for history (Written history at least), or just didnt know any of it and wanted to pull this load of crap out of their behind, with perhaps a smattering of conspiracy lore.


If your going to listen to someone who tells this to you, you may as well relinquish all intelligent conversation from future social regard.

It really is not that difficult to see what is fecal and what isn't.

Sorry AK666, but this is my opinion. I really do apologize if it offends you and I dont often like to just castrate belief systems. But this is just silly sh*t!


btw, what does this have to do with satanism?

here is a little bit of contradiction.
If "your" satanism contains the ability to accept and appreciate the carnal as well as the spiritual beyond the concept of God, within the lamantations of the satanic body both literal and figuratively, why would it attempt to decimate other belief systems when those entail both the flesh and soul in concepts of human nature, growth, society/culture, and experiences both good and bad?
This creates a self-destructive button. Is that what is meant by this satanism? To break down all the other religions so that satanism is the only one left eventually leading to its own demise, its own break down?
Any system that does so, is a self-deleterious and deluded system."



I dont know what this means:

"but AK66!!!!111111 HOE DO J00 NOE TEH D3MONS AND S4TAN RNT1 REPT1LES??!!!!!!1111"


Oh, and just so you know, the sacrifices you spoke of are extremist radicals, zealots and fundamentalists who often are linked with terrorists and which have nothing to do with the judeao-christian beliefs beyond taking the basic and original system of belief and skewing it to their own designs. Read up on it a bit more before you deem it a sacrifical religion.

ugh....seriously, how can anyone buy into that?
Even if any of that info had an inkling of truth to it, the way and how people inform others is just as important as what they inform them of.

The person who authored those statements, obviously had no regard for history (Written history at least), or just didnt know any of it and wanted to pull this load of crap out of their behind, with perhaps a smattering of conspiracy lore.


If your going to listen to someone who tells this to you, you may as well relinquish all intelligent conversation from future social regard.

It really is not that difficult to see what is fecal and what isn't.

Sorry AK666, but this is my opinion. I really do apologize if it offends you and I dont often like to just castrate belief systems. But this is just silly sh*t!


btw, what does this have to do with satanism?

here is a little bit of contradiction.
If "your" satanism contains the ability to accept and appreciate the carnal as well as the spiritual beyond the concept of God, within the lamantations of the satanic body both literal and figuratively, why would it attempt to decimate other belief systems when those entail both the flesh and soul in concepts of human nature, growth, society/culture, and experiences both good and bad?
This creates a self-destructive button. Is that what is meant by this satanism? To break down all the other religions so that satanism is the only one left eventually leading to its own demise, its own break down?
Any system that does so, is a self-deleterious and deluded system.


I do want to apologize to you again AK666, for it does honestly seem that I have taken spoken opposition against you, but in reality what is meant by my posts are only insights to what I believe are your own flaws as well as my own. You seem intelligent enough, but you continue to use examples of incorrect ministries of history as well as at times slightly insult others in their opinion.
You contradict yourself, and completely disregard the volidaty of your information as though what you say is truth.

I at times make similar mistakes, and I attempt to read my faults outwardly so that others know them, as well as verify to myself what I can do to better those fractures in my system of thought.

I really am not trying to make you out to be the badguy, but read over your posts, how you talk to others and respond and the information you give.

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oh man, Im tired of these long posts.

I'd like to point out that any public psychological profiling done on someone, tends to reinforce and encourage those habits of which you speak of.

I have been guilty of a lot of things such as this and others, and I think its time we start reexamining why everyone (Or just a strong few) are so interested in Oazaki's spins.





1st) Oazaki. See what you've done?
(This is a question that can be seen on so many different levels, so don't expect that by answering with anything but the surface answers, you will be heeded as though thoughtful. The asnwers are already there.)

2nd) People. The tendancy to search for something beyond us, is a natural occurance that has been there with us all along since man begin painting on cave walls.

The whole quest for the divine has been ingrained within us. Whether it was naturally there to begin with does not matter, because over 35,000 years ago we began seeing evidence of this. That has given the human genome enough time to adapt to the qualities of a seeking intelligence and enough time has gone by that I think we instinctively know somehow, it is about time for something to emerge because of that. I mean on a genetic level even. As though we have an alarm clock within us.

3rd) People. We have a natural tendancy in groups, to select those few of us we find unsuitable for the rest of the "herd" so to speak. Oazaki might seem to some as delusional because of the irrational behaviors some feel important to point out. This in turn can encourage those behaviors and only create more.

4th) People. Also that need to debate. On forums we find it not only easier to debate and argue, making it a much more efficient place to do so for everyone, but also increasing the amount of that which for many is debatable.

5) People. The need to affirm themselves on forums is exponential, because there are so many people, it feels very easy to get lost and forgotten when one person is trying to be heard of another. Post after post and eventually we were just words in a sea of information.



So I conlcude, that because of our natural needs, we reinforce Oazaki's habits, and his reinforce ours.
We feed off of each other.
So unless you people really are excited at the debating process (Which many, including myself, are)and of just stating your opinion about someone who believes themself a prophet or otherwise, if you really are sick of Oazaki or like minded individuals or just anyone....
dont reply.

Im not telling anyone to not reply, Im saying, if you are truly frustrated by this situation in which you believe that Oazaki needs to listen to you and come around, realizing that you are right, dont hold your breath.

Perhaps this quote from comedian Steven Wrights 30 minute short film "One Soldier," can help.


"...so first we don't exist, then we're born. We live. Then we die. Then we stop existing.
So basically our lives are just an interuption of non-existance."

(i find that film personally satsifying as well as one of the funniest films I have ever seen)


MakiZero, the thing I hate, is being confused with Americans. Because I was born in the States, and I speak english, and have grown up moderately in middle america within most of the system, people think they have a right to call me American. That is an insult to me.
Im quite happy with being human, and in fact refer to myself as a human being when people want to label me as an American, because humans can accept their flaws and differences. Americans are just foolish and stubborn.

The thing I find most interesting, is that flaws are what allow us to understand our potential.
Whats really great about that idea, is that our flaws are limited in certain concepts which in itself is a flaw, therefore allowing us to reserve the paradox in understanding that our potential is limitless.

this makes sense in my head, but perhaps some would disagree....(shrugs) thats being human! [^]

Understandable.
I apologize if you have been offended in anyway, but again people have a right to what they think, and it is hard for many to distinguish fact between fiction when so many argue of what the two are.

I must say I am personally bias because I have lived in Utah, specifically Salt Lake City, and have seen how much the church has their hands in within the state.
Though I am also bias against religion period, I have more connection to sentiments toward LDS because of the reason stated.

It is appropriate for people to bring up the topics though in evidence of certain ignorance, some must have different points of view to enlighten others.
There are many posts which anger me, and it takes a suitable amount of control to not lash out at those posts, and I must admit to giving in to those passions once in awhile, but hey, we're human.

I want to point out to, because you may have the knowledge you have learned, it does not mean you have all the information there is to know about the subject.
I too have to readily admit when I lack information or have the knowledge to a point, but never will I say I know all there is to know.
I do know a lot about the church, mostly because I have done research and talked to missionaries many many times, and have friends who are both mormon and jack-mormons, and visited the temple often (beautiful place), and yadda yadda yadda. It doesnt matter because I am not claiming to be all knowing, and I dont think many others are either.

again, I apologize if you were offened, it was not my intent, nor do I believe it was the intent of anyone else.
Chances are, on forums discussing such issues, there are bound to be conversations that stir feelings very deep. Just expect them is all.

Im not defending either religion. I just wanted to know what people thought.

1) I never said mormons believe they will become God, I said that because of their belief in the histories such as the book of mormon, Doctrines and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price, it is believed by many LDS that they have the potential to become, yes, "God-like."

2) Worship is seen in many aspects, and because of Joseph Smiths little imposture, he was in fact reveered and by many worshipped AS a prophet, though many in the church must conceed to the fact that he was a false prophet being that there are so many discrepincies between his own writings and over sixty of his prophecies having yet to be fullfilled (And unable to be mind you because dates were given).

3) Because one is not mormon does not mean they are unable to aquire knowledge on the topic.

Perle, pleasaunte to prynces paye
To clanly clos in golde so clere
Oute of oryent, I hardyly saye,
Ne proued I never her precios pere


Also, I did point out, and it is widely known of the church branching out in different directions. This should be proof against me ever attempting to pursuade one that the mormons think of one mind.
In fact, I would have to say, they are the most divided of any religion.

Hmmm....

that is quite interesting. The end note makes me feel even more so blanketed by questioning motives of conspiratal plots against humanity.

Im going to have to look into this subject. Thanks for the info!

Learn or assume?

either or would probably be accurate.
But I dont think that I am baseless in my presumptions.
evidence suggests, which is why all bases were covered rather than blatantly assuming one version, I generally assumed a possibility of a few actions that had been taken.
Of course I wasnt just assuming (If that is what you mean) I was also asking.

Of course though I am not immune to human fault, and yes I do make mistakes of such caliber, I do so openly admit when I have.
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Trying to find out others views, so Im not trying to get into a debate, though I dont disagree with you, some of the information is misconstrued.

LDS actually believe that God was once Human and that humans can potentially attain that level. They also believe that when they die, they go to one of three heavens. The first is Celestial which is for the true devout mormons who have not sinned and are completely clean. The second is terestial which is for those who are not completely of the LDS faith and have done wrong but repented or whatever, and the third is the telestial which goes for all those who are not mormon and have not a clean slate.
There is also the spiritual prison for those souls redeemable in "Gods" eyes,
and hell is reserved for that menial amount of souls who cannot find redemption.

Also a big difference between the two is that Joseph Smith, though containing quite a few discrepincies between the book of mormon and Doctrines and Covenants, recites the plural of God, meaning more than, rather than the monothiastic(Is that the right word?), one God.
Sorry, just wanted to clear that up.

astral-boy, whats up? You didnt delete your posts did you?

I hope not, but if you did I hope it is not because you felt like you werent being taken seriously or made fun of in any way. If so I would like to apologize.
The subject matter should be discussed if you feel strongly about it, but we all have our own opinions on it and you should not be too sensitive to those opinions.

I feel bad now. Im sorry.[]

So mr. AK666, what does that information pertain to in relevance? All I hear from you is negative aspects of your opinion.

Why is it so hard for you to listen rather than talk? The things you speak of are dealing with issues that only reflect social dissassociation and frustration with what others believe, as though you are throwing the preverbial sticks and stones at people for stating their opinion.

Play your games all you want, all you gather is a horrible reflection of your even more horrible name, which by the way I would hope is a cynical jibe at the hate groups and racial supremicists.
If not, then there is no sympathy for you, for your ignorance is exposed through your actions.

That was a wonderful example of the difference between the two. Thank you.[|)]

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I am so sorry that there is a person like this....

(waves and avoids demon war killing demon thing)

what is anylising?

Chill out? Im not freaking out on you am I?
Im doing exactly what the forums are made for, I'm posting and replying.

LOL! Okay, I had to post this from that three world wars site, just the content in the way it is read is too funny.

"war is harsh, and we pooh-pooh it too often because it doesn't directly affect us."  

what the hell?

Astral-boy, please dont use sites like these or any others similar to this as resource, only as reference.
It is dangerous to revel is conspiracy theories, but even more so to do it on the internet where everything has an extremist potential.

If you actually read through many of the posts on this thread you will find many level headed people talking about the same thing you are at times, though on different levels. Learn, do not assume.

all I got to say is....dont be so paranoid, everybody in this forum and I would say 90% or more people in the real world realize that the potential for another world war is always a good possibility, especially with events going the way they are now.

astral-boy, be careful with what information you consume, it may just end up driving you crazy.

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I'm impressed.
It's rather a breath of fresh air to know your intellect is more than the post which I replied to implies.
You sound much less callow when speaking without the tones of someone above everybody else.

You're right, I can tell you nothing about real satanism, nor about "Fallen Angels."
Of course never did I attempt to convince you otherwise. I have read the Satanic Bible, but that is the extent of my knowledge besides what I have seen in movies or heard from friends who are satanists, or read on the internet or searched through in my "witchcraft and demonology" and "Occult" books, or, well.....whatever. The point is I dont really know that much.

I was instead attempting to gauge your reaction which was actually much more mature than I was anticipating.
What you said in which I replied, had an air of arrogance, such as, the things I know, none of you do or are probably scared of, the old jock tactic.
"What, you scared?"

You only assume though that I know nothing because of what I write, which implies nothing about my knowledge beyond the reading of Lavey, though you implied quite a bit I would say.

I am glad that you decided to actually answer my question or I should say my joust at you.

Also, if you have read through many posts, you'll find people here arent actually anti-left hand path as you so favorably put it, but in fact have a different perception on that direction.
People here you'll find are much more aware and open-minded than most places, except when it comes to people who claim things such as you did, in the way that you did.

I probably wouldnt have even replied had you not said:

"Of course you won't take my word for it and I'm not asking you too, you should probably find out for yourself but hey you never will because your probably too scared."


I love that last part. Its almost like a dare.

cheers![]

I don't think anyone here was badmouthing mormons. Dark apprentice was "enlightening" us with his new found opinion which was quite an intellectual and necessary pursuit. Sometimes too, we must begin in a negative perception of something in order to become fully aware of its true faults as well as our own, and become accepting of whatever choices people come to make.

I apologize if i offended you in any way, but I too, was not badmouthing mormonism.
I was blantantly putting down the FLDS and polygomist LDS though because they are a cult in comparison to the general LDS which in certain regards has become a cult anyway since denying Joseph Smith as a prophet. But then again, the dividing lines between cult and religion has always been skewed.
But as I said as well FLDS and polygamy is not a healthy aspect/branchoff from the church.

I agree people need to question, this was the substance behind the topic.

I also agree if people find happiness in their belief then that is a beautiful thing.

I could go very deep though into my true opinions of the LDS church. When you live in the heart of a religiously oppressed state, you come to find what fallacy really means.

kenneth, happy to know you are coming to realize the keen existential awareness of life and all that is.
This is very important that you came to these conclusions, so long as you also realize that it will not end there. You must keep recycling and engineering so to speak, a new you, a new perception and a new view every moment, every day, every year, every life and so forth.

The result of our acceptance with the physical, the metaphysical and the emotional and mental are just steps within another and wider tunnel.

To realize the awareness of you and who you are, is a great thing. It helps keeps us focused on any thing happening, whether the mundane or the exponentially limitless events which occur.
Dont lose sight of that, but also dont limit yourself to just that one perception. It may be a great thing, but it does not stop evolving, for that is one of many purposes.

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good for you. It is right that you question so much.
I know how you feel, though from a different viewpoint.

I lived in utah for over ten years, so needless to say, I had enough mormon experience to last the rest of my life.
I personally am not mormon, nor are any of my family (wipes brow), but of course I have many friends and have wandered into the temple area often in order for the missionaries to stop and converse with me so that I could question them and hopefully lead them to questioning themselves as well.
It is a pretty area though. I have walked around back to where the circular pool is and sat down and sketched the temple as the sun fell below it. I must say this for the LDS, they have great architectual ingenuity.

Hell, there are many percieved notions of this topic. We could be discussing such a thing for years and still not get anywhere.
My own belief is still being built as well, so I have no real belief in it nor heaven, but I do have many notions and ideas.
The LDS hell is similar to the zealot christian hell in that if you dont do what the church tells you, off onto satans lap you go.
The FLDS, or fundamentalist mormons, are frightening, in that if one does not live by the book word by word, those FLDS will send them there! I have had personal experiences with these people, and I tell you there is nothing good or heavenly about them.
I dont bash any religion, but any group of people who gather arms and weapons, forbid anyone but those part of there belief structure into their homes, and cast curses in the name of god towards anyone not like them, and who hurt and sexually abuse their wives and children, should be physically bashed!!

The polygamist LDS are similar to the FLDS but dont have a militia gathering except perhaps if they are creating an army of wives and children.

Personally, I think if there is a hell, there is a place especially reserved for those two groups.


Here is something to think about though.
With all the concepts of God and Satan, not many religious beliefs really tends to direct anyone to the notion that God is neither good nor evil.
For example.
If God created that which became lucifer or satan, that means that God created the so called darkness or "Evil" that so many apply to the term. This would mean that God is both good and evil or that God is inherantly the hierarchy of evil since he made satan right?
Of course, many would say that Jesus is the antithesis of evil, thus he is the concept of pure "Good," so, that being said, he created both good and evil, yet resides over heaven, the so called "Good" place to go to when you die, and hell being the "bad" place to go to.

If God then, creating both good and evil, resides in heaven and not above it nor below it, how is the concept accurate?
If God, which in all meanings of the term, is basically the harmony of existence, the balance between good and evil, is at odds with evil; ie satan, then why?

I understand the stories and legends and mythos that go along with this all too well. I just cant see why people dont redefine their concept of God when this Deity, this all powerful all knowing God is basically everything, both good and bad and everything in between.

Of course this is semantics and this topic could be branched in so many ways.


The easiest way Ive dealt with this topic, is just by living the best I can, and doing what I can. We are human, so we are fallible, thus we were made so by "God" the creature of all.
Perhaps we are supposed to do all the things we do, so that God can know mortality and the beauty of imperfection.

One of my favorite quotes, "All karma is, is justice without the satisfaction."

everything and nothing.

The possibilities are always great, but to the extent the media/net/individuals believe or are trying to propose? That will always be the question. Time is all we have as evidence of anything.

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eh..hehe.

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cute.

sooo, mr. aryanknight666, how have you invoked demons as you so nesciently put it?

Have you ever read Mr. Levay's dark book?
Just wondering in case you would like to tell us that you did so by reading the satanic bible, which contains nothing on invoking demons btw.

Did you draw a pentegram in blood in a room painted black, or perhaps sacrifice some virgin or lamb?
Did you close your eyes and wish it to happen? What exactly did you do in order to invoke a demon and/or devil and did it have anything to do with your soul or anothers?
Along this topic, Im also curious as to how you were able to invoke an angel since you seem to have admitted calling forth all archtypes?

Yes, I apologize, I am being very sarcastic. This happens though when I come into contact with those who claims the things you do in the way you did.
Let me ask you if you would take the word of a child if they approached you and told you in a very "matter of fact" manner, that they have seen and even talked to the monsters in their closet and its really not that big of a deal.

I do like the point that you made in telling us we would not believe you, as though you realize how silly the statement you made sounded and decided that you should allow us to stew in our awareness of the possibility and the conscious effort you made to make us realize you didnt care whether or not anyone believed you, because what you believe is what matters.
I agree with that, it doesnt matter what anyone else believes, only your own that should matter to you.
But dont expect to post something like that and have people not respond in any manner of opinion.

(does a jig)


Yeah I could use a beach near my home in arizona...its basically one without the ocean anyways. I say bring it on![]

(Drinks a beer)