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Oh I don't think it will happen overnight or at the so called predicted dates. I think it will eventually happen whether it be this life or the next life or the one after that (that's how far I think into the furture ).

The universe has patterns to growth and even this world will evolve eventually to the next step, and it will make many negs very unhappy.

And yes I believe in hard work, don't think it will happen without it. I think where the predictors go wrong is that they place focus on the event instead of personal behavior. You can't control the future simply deal with what comes, so why focus on it.

Focus on internal growth and see comapssion for others. Don't worry about predictions.

Well, it's only 05Dec2004, so I guess you haven't had results yet, yes I'm very interested to see how this turns out?

Robert said blue and black gave good results and red gave the worst.

Changes where this planet reaches a vibration in energy these entities can't exist in. Some have speculated the negs are trying to put a stop to it, and thats why the attacks are becoming so vicious and hard to end.

Yes, by short, grey ETs with large black eyes.

I've been abducted by aliens.  

Oh relax, they were the nice ones, not like the ones on my case now.

And yes, get Robert's book, Practical Psychic Self Defense.

What worries me is that from this description it had a consciousness...

Yes, finally, the blasted thing has consciousness and is perfectly capable of doing horrible nasty things to people.

I'm sorry for jumping about but I am getting weary of all this "negs are a product of your imagination" crap. There are people who are seriously suffering. Even some of the exorcists are saying they are having to do multiple exorcisms to get rid of them.

Changes are coming that these negs won't be able to adapt to, and their food source will disappear as a result. Well, if the food source disappears what do you think they are going to do, roll over and just die? [/quote]

Oh Good grief, there is no link, he wrote about it in detail in his book, Practical Psychic Self Defense on pages 135-142.

Here's an excerpt on page 136. Robert was doing an exorcism on a child and frustrated that he was unable to defeat it, he offered himself to the neg in replacement of the child thinking he'd get rid of it later. The neg took his offer, and Robert discovered he was in over his head. This is what happened next:

"...Soon, I began losing control of my body, one part at a time. The first episode of this was while reading; my arm moved on its own, picked up a book, and tossed it on the floor. This shocked me, but I still felt okay. I did not sense anything evil or threatenting in or around me. Incidents of brief loss of control increased over the next two weeks. It was not long before I knew I was in deep trouble.

The episodes of loss of control culminated in an incident in which I lost control completely. I was on a roof-top car park, lifting my baby son from my car. As if a switch had been thrown, I suddenly lost control of my body. Powerless, I was marched like a puppet carrying my son to the edge, even while I was fighting my own muscles every step of the way. I suspected the Neg in me was going to make me throw my son off the roof and then have me jump.

The strength of the mental pressure I felt was unbelievable. I did not hear voices or experience insane thoughts. This was not a compulsion. I was sane and rational. I just had no control of my body, as if suddenly struck with physical paralysis and someone else was now running my body. Thankfully, with a supreme act of will and some much-needed luck, I broke free of the puppet-like state at the last possible moment. But I no longer trusted myself after this event.

A couple of days later, I woke up (I seemed to have been sleepwalking) and found myself in the nursery with a raised ax. I got rid of the ax. I found myself back there the next night with a carving knife. I tried everything I knew of to rid myself of this Neg, but whatever I did was not enough. I was faced with only two "logical" choices: I could turn myself into a mental hospital or commit suicide. Then, I came up with a third option: I could surrender to my higher self and let it lead me out of the darkness rapidly overtaking my life. I sensed this would be difficult and probably kill me in the process anyway, but I had nothing to lose and everything to gain. I could always kill myself later."

The rest details his fight with the neg out in the Bush. Bruce left home for his family's safety and spoke candidly about how he though he wouldn't be coming back alive.

Get the book and read the chapter for crying out loud.

I hate to say it but I disagree with a good chunk of "everyone under attack creates the demon" mentality. I didn't believe in any of this stuff and would have called all of you crazy prior to 7 years ago (and yes I am an ET abductee and I still would have called you nuts). And I don't equate demons and such with creatures like cheetahs or wolves. They are entities that can prioritize and choose just as easily as anyone else. It's a decision to feed on others.

Demons are not cardboard beings that you program to your whim, they have minds and wills of their own and be quite a force to reckon with. Even Robert spoke of his possession and went out into the Australian Bush not knowing if he would come out alive.

But it may not be a dream, that's the problem. During my early abduction, what I thought were dreams turned out to be the greys picking me up out of body. And I've heard we often travel around quite a bit at night.

I can't tell you what your experience is, I can only tell you about things that have happened to me, and you'll have to decide what is best for you (no I am not suggesting you are an abducte, but what you're describing could be more than a dream).

It might be a trapped spirit trying to communicate to get out. Robert spoke in his book about some deceased humans who become trapped and don't know how to escape, they then attach to various people as a means of travel.

Why would it be normal to dream of something like that?

Geez Narfellus, you wanted to know what an Astral Abductee is and then you disappeared.

Narfellus, hello!

I think the thing with the Biro technique being a Self Defense measure is the concept of why moles and such form (according to Bruce). Moles and Freckles appear at a point of attachment by a neg entity. Said neg comes into your personal space, point of contact occurs, and a mole/freckle/cyst forms. So the mole/freckly/cyst is indicative of a neg energy attachment point. Drawing on it with the Biro technique breaks the neg energy attachment and forces the neg off.

I think the first page of this thread I quoted from Robert's book. He said he tried just applying the ink to make sure it wasn't the ink causing the marks to disappear, but they didn't. Nothing happened unless it was a combination of ink type and geometric formation (cross, pentagram, jewish star). Robert also noticed closed shapes (eg, a cross with a circle encompassing it) totally got rid of the mark, whereas just drawing a cross, etc caused fading whereever the cross lines were drawn on the mark.

Do you assume everyone who is attacked astral projects?

"As now you are near the Astral Plane then you should know that we are hear to stay."

An entity inviting itself in without asking permission or respecting your space does not sound very nice to me. Have you tried smudging? What makes you believe they are harmless, just curious?

Yep I would try these:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=866&highlight=

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10686&highlight=st+benedict

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=862&highlight=countermeasures

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9595&highlight=

Yeah it could also be a psychic vampire. Creating with the mind is not the answer to everything.

I'd check out some of the past posts in the archive, I'm sure I've read a few stories like yours in some past posts.

I'd also look up some books on psychic vampires. Your energy is usually leeched from you during sleep because that is when our defenses are down. I'd definitely try a lot of hematite, maybe sleeping with some of it in your slippers or socks. Stuff like hematite and bloodstone is real grounding and makes it more difficult for them to take your energy.

I'd also try posting in the "Ask Robert Bruce a question" and see what he thinks about your experiences.

I have to agree with Kaili, free will doesn't happen on it's own and it isn't created by only one person. FREEDOM is something we all need to support, and the minute we act like it's on automatic pilot and that it can sustain itself without aid, we have lost it.

We're growing up as a race and learning to become adults, and freedom isn't something that is going to be protected for us by higher beings anymore, it is something we are going to have to learn more and more on our own.

You're freedom can be taken away at any time. It's not a permannet loss, it's nothing we can't get back, but it has to be fought for and supported to exist.

Yes, we seem to be either a growing number of abductees or a type that has always existed but has been consistently ignored.

I'll never forget when the greys first came, seeing shadowy figures around my bed when my eyes were shut, feeling the pressing onto my legs and the raising of energy through my spine. I had no idea what was happening to me.

I denied my experiences for a long time, that is until I would feel so upset that I had to run out of the room when a certain commercial came on depicting the grim reaper (greys are sometimes seen as monk figures). When I was getting upset over a commercial, that's when I knew I couldn't deny anymore.

Spectral Dragon says Let's say a kid is picked on at school. Depending on what the child is getting picked on for, he or she will look to the ones who she is being picked on to thus see her "weaknesses," and she will also go to her other peers, if need be, for "guidance," then the child changes her inner self, or tries to, and then looks within.

Actually that is how I define looking within. I am somewhat shocked at the interpretation of looking within as being so self focused as to cut yourself off from God and others. You no longer see yourself in others or others in yourself. No intuition, no empathy, and no connection to God or creation.

I understand what you are saying, I'm just a little shocked at what has happened to us; that empathy has to be explained as the reason instead of assuming it as the reason.

Anyway, back to being an astral abductee, what I am noticing from my experiences and other abductees like me is that when the greys started picking me up this way, it was like a door was opened. It didn't just allow them to come through but other not so nice things as well. Dealing with the other not so nice stuff is what lead me to Robert Bruce.

Although I can't approve of murdering and blowing up innocent people I also can't place all the blame on him either. And when the time came, he did work with Rabin for Peace.

I hope peace can finally come to the Middle East.

Oh I understand about channelers info being colored by their perception, but there is also a thing called personal responsiblity which I am not seeing much of. Even channelers have to do some self examination of what they are putting out, not think they're the holiest of holies putting out some divine message (especially since the divine is everywhere in everyone and not restricted to one person). And there is also personal responsilibity on the part of the ones receiving the message.


If someone/something is constantly having you look elsewhere instead of within and is not having seeing others as "another self" part of this world and worthy of compassion, something is seriously wrong.

I really don't like saying "Zeta" especially after reading some of Nancy's stuff...I don't trust whoever they are channeling. I call them greys.

The greys I have encountered have focused on inner progress, not coming changes. The reason why is because you change the world by changing yourself and creating from there (so coming changes would be dealt with as a side effect instead of directly). If you're constantly focusing on the outside, you're fighting a losing battle...that always seemed more neg oriented to me than from a higher level being. And every time I questioned I was told I was "rude" and "disrespectful." That is not how a positive entity behaves.

I think there are positive greys and neg ones (and I think I have had encounters with both).

Narfellus,

From what I am learning from my experiences, an Astral Abductee is an ET abductee (usually grey, like in my case) that, instead of being abducted physically, is taken astrally. I would see greys though real time sight and would view myself interacting with them through mind splits, but it took me a long time to understand what was happening.

Oh, and I am not a fan of David Icke.

Well I'm what you call an astral abductee and it has taken years for me to entirely understand what that meant even a litte, and I am still learning.

Yes the conspiracy theories do make my head spin, problem is some of it has a little truth with a little lie. The challenge is how to separate the two.

Wow, I found another one:

http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/UFOs/UFO_Ritual_Magic.htm

Check this out:

http://www.phenomenamagazine.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Area+51&action=page&obj_id=1820