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I feel it might be possible to ensoul something other than a living being-by living I mean animal, plant, human that is.

The only evidence I have for this has been the sensations I pick up from cars, and other vehicles-especially boats. Not saying a soul is created out of nothing-it's potential was there already.  My brother can see energy in people and things-he sees it highly individually in vehicles in general. I feel this myself. The more loved a car is-the more I can sense.  Ok I'm focussing on the cars example here because that's what I've worked with in the past, also my strongest epiphany states have come from cars also.

If you put enough energy into a construct especially deliberately I have heard it said it can gain it's own consciousness.

Perhaps what you are telling me isn't universally true for all. People are born with different aptitudes and talents. Some will find it easy to become a genius or a great athlete, some will never attain quite that status no matter how hard they try.

I've worked with energy work now for 17 yrs-at least that's from when I can first recall feeling the energy moving in my body. I do have one much earlier memory that caused me to have tears of joy-a memory that came recently but conscious practice started somewhere around 10 or 11.  

To have done all this time and not had any real glimmer of psychic abilities tells me that no way is this universal like many people would say.  I can sense my chakras clearly and strongly-the easiest one to actually do stuff with is my heart chakra though I can get the crown to strobe also-NO lights or visions however.

I do have incredibly strong tactile sensations so I don't go along with the need to have visuals as evidence. I can feel what I am doing.

As for magic, the nearest I come is occasional application of direct magic work for folks-it's rare I do it but if I really want it to work I've had effects before. Nothing major, mainly healing work.   I've lost all motivation and interest in the "fancy" nonsense like spending hours, days, months trying to TK, levitate and other stuff. The feel of energy and it being there has been enough for me so far.

I'm fairly confident that for me personally I've activated and worked with my chakras-and yes more energy raising into them is always possible. I do now doubt that I will get much in the way of "abilities" from it. Unless you count feeling fantastic and generating the sensation of epiphany at will as abilities perhaps .

Hi Redcatherine,

I understand the idea of balance sort of. To me that's physical exercise, diet, work, play, relationship(s) and in my case I add to that energy training and sometimes intellectual persuits-well trolling this board is one of those .  I prefer to concentrate on stuff in a secular way because I fundementally don't really have a "spiritual" based inner life and understanding.  Not in the sense I read on this board and from discussions with others.
I'm just too practical minded.  I can do energy work because I can feel it, grasp it and understand it. I've done it since I was fairly young and I guess I took it for granted - until the last few years when I decided to train it further.  

To me it seems better for me personally to work with what I can actually grasp and work with in my daily life for now.   I don't feel any particular spiritual imbalance within myself-but that's probably because outside of energy and healing work I'm as sensitive as a brick .

Seriously, can you or anyone tell me what is wrong with using/doing healing work for secular reasons? I'm presuming here you mean non spiritual reasons. P.S I can't do it for external reward-I don't like it. That's not my altruism or anything corny, it just doesn't feel right .

Where is this permenant chat folks?

Nice link mustardseed.

No issue with the essay you linked to , nice read.

I do have issue with this one.

http://kundalini.se/eng/edev2s72.html

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There is absolutely only one single way to the light, and that is the way of humility and neighbourly love. There is no shorter or longer way whatsoever to the light or the great birth than this divine way. No being whatsoever can arrive at the great ultimate result of life with more ease or more difficulty than other beings. Everyone must absolutely go through the same to become the same. "

Something in me doesn't go along with this in it's absoluteness. I've always felt the whole of reality was about infinite diversity, so blanket wholesale things like this - well I fundementally don't believe.
What do others think?

Thanks for the read.

no but I'm not that much a one for traditions to be honest. I know what bandhas are because I use them, and I know how energy feels, and how it feels to heal with the heart chakra.   How it feels to make chakras strobe-such as the heart and the crown. I work with feelings, sensations I can relate to.  All I can tell you is from my experience. I've never tried or laid claim to spirituality particularly. I just enjoy working with energy and the energy body. I also enjoy the feelings that come when I have successful healing on others.

Not to devalue your information in any way here, I just can't go into sophisticated or convoluted work. I'm a simple person. My energy training will take me at least 1.5 to 3 hrs each day. It's all straightforward work. My meditation is simple when I use it-clear the mind, follow the breath and make a long sound in the mind to aid in clearing it.  

I've started kundalini classes, not to learn the traditional spirituality behind it, but to learn the specific and powerful physical/mental techniques that will help me with further energy work.   The other stuff, I'm not equipped to understand maybe? or just not personally ready to work with, or maybe I just don't need to do that. Just directly work with energy perhaps..who knows. I'm doing this to see how far the rabbit hole goes really. What happens if I spend ten years building on these skills further and more deeply.  I predict I will get a little stronger, healthier and maybe if I'm lucky i'll get some psychic stuff to, if not at least my ability to heal others which is where this started from will improve. .

Thank you for your links Lorelai, the intention behind your sharing of information is itself deeply appreciated and in nothing I say am I implying that there is any lack in your knowledge. Just that for me, personally, perhaps it's a silk shirt to a pig a little?

It's funny because the last thing on my mind when I started energy work and also when I started my kundalini yoga class was "spiritual" stuff.  Basically I don't consider myself spiritual-I just like playing with the increasing intensity and variety I'm getting when I practice the energy work.

I've mixed in the kundalini skills I can use (not the prayer side of it-the physical work) with the NEW and bone breathing I already use.  Seems to make me a far more effective healer . Would you say that spiritual goals become inevitable however in the end?
I've had epiphany-tears of joy etc-I've written elsewhere about it, but I've not "tried" to become more spiritual as a result, I can repeat the thing again -it's a fantastic feeling. I still look at it however as something extending my energy work training.

I know this is at odds with other practitioners of various kinds here, but until I had the epiphany I'd not had any reason to look beyond the simple training of energy .

I'd like to work with a research group on my energy work stuff if possible myself. I'm a healer and I can often hit the "tears of joy" epiphany state-I want to know what's happening physically when i do these things. And also if scientific methods can give me a biofeedback effect to help me gain even more consistent ability with this.

skydust, I'd disagree with your notion that "everyone" has a guide or several-or that they will be with during their lifetime.

Some folks perhaps do and they are. Some may have a number who stay for a time and move on and swap around. Other folks may not.

Because I value personal experience over most things I've read-who doesn't , I actually don't really "believe" in the spirit guides thing very much. I accept that others have had and continue to have experience of such, but I myself have not at all. So therefore I'm concluding that I don't have any .

Lorelai, explain what you think are the differences please between the two. I know i've experienced epiphany states and I've also used the primary circuit for healing. That's what I'm focussed on with this-not other "powers". The facts is I'm not gifted with psychic ability, never have been. I don't consider it automatic that well trained chakras give you this, it's individual like anything. My training has given me a resilient enough energy body now to allow me to perform healing at high intensity for several hours without being drained, tired or have any ill effects. That's my "power" if you like.
They ain't Pokeman-"gotta catch 'em all" . hehe

I've raised energy a number of times to all 7 chakras Lorelai. I can feel them all..and I ain't no immortal

I have a big problem with this 2012 nonsense. It's sounds, looks and feels like etheric unreal nonsense. I'm being blunt and honest here about my feelings on this one .  When I've seen it challenged elsewhere some proponents of this 2012 prediction/catastrophe/magnetic shift idiocy start to reduce it to a more "etheric" subtler shift of energies and suchlike. The kind of thing a cynic like me would not be able to notice.  There is a point where I feel an open mind can become a mind where things can fall out, oh like a bs detector perhaps .
It's late and I'm writing only exactly what I think without too much "PC" rubbish added on me thinks-so it's likely to be slightly offending sort of. Not intended, I'm only attacking perhaps a rather silly concept-yet another "doomsday" date for our diaries.  It's possible to find numerological, historical, scriptorial, mathamatical and other evidence for anytime you wish to pin hopes/fears on if you try hard enough. The brain is fantastic at finding these patterns.  Hence why I disbelieve it. It's wishful/fearful thinking at it's best/worst. G'night, over and out...

/me slumps down drunkenly...

My normal exercise routine hasn't changed. This actual class doesn't make me perspire loads compared to the same time spend on my physical standard training. I can't explain it by extra  perspiration.  For sure, i do know the extra water intake is virtually excessive. I also found spending up to half an hour storing energy in the tan tien/naval centre gives me the "runs" for some reason-this is seperate from the water issue as that occurred before my kundalini class and I hadn't got the thirst at that point . Maybe this time with all this extra energy training is just a clearing out time perhaps.

It's too solid to be simply picking up on a vibe.

circular logic never proved anything.

Moving out of your parents house or out of a crappy work situation is NOT running away from a problem in every case. In fact I'd imagine that in most cases it's a necessary growth for yourself.  Sometimes the arguements don't have a solution to be found if the situation stays the same. It was with my parents.  Why hang on and keep trying to fix something you can't-well that was why I left I mean .

Having the courage to choose freedom for yourself may go a long way towards helping with this process.  Facing up to a problem might be to admit that the solution is to walk away.  Same goes for work. Why people hang on and hang on with crappy relationships and situations at work beats me-I do understand it when it's a case of paying to keep your kids and stuff. But if there are other jobs out there....

Anyway this is about giving yourself permission to choose freedom over some kind of obligation perhaps or barriers...

As I sit here now, I've just drank a pint of water. I need another. I've had some fruit mixed with some amino acid and multivits along with mixed cereal and a small cup of tea for breakfast. Also some probiotic drink I use. Nothing different actually, I used this for weeks and months. So salt isn't an issue here etc.

Yet last week I started a kundalini yoga class. Next day had incredible need of water. This week I did a second class and again a large need for water. 6 pints yesterday at least.  I'm not retaining it unduly though.

I am used to doing 2hrs of energy training a day btw and have done energy training of one kind or other since I was about 10 or so, even though in the beginning i was  a kid playing with a new toy-tingle rushes .

I have little difficulty getting a crown chakra strobe now (no visuals, plenty of emotional/tactiles though) and can get a strong spine sensation-heat, squirming tingling rush spike sensation-pleasent but powerful.

Anyway given that-anyone any clue what the water thing is about. Before this I'd drink mainly water and some tea occasionally. 2 pints a day generally.

After reading this lot, I just wish I didn't find all this kind of work so completely impossible.

I can work energy work with ease-to the point of heart and crown strobing, epiphany with tears of joy and incredibly powerful energy sensations-that can cause some involuntary movement often.  

Yet despite this-and 17 yrs of such practice really, I don't have any psychic "abilities"  (beyond healing perhaps?) niether do my dreams get much more interesting or useful.  I tried journaling for a time as a way of training my memory etc but after several weeks I gave up (I mindmapped it all) as nothing interesting was really coming out.  I've meditated and  use it as a tool (clearing the mind tech), taken up kundalini yoga in addition to several hours a day of complete NEW practice.  Still my mental/astral life isn't that much more enlightening-hence my cynical outlook on this side of it .

Still it's fascinating to hear these stories. It just frustrates me that this is fairly inaccessible to me. ..

ooh just venting a little jealousy here ..
Nice posts folks.

Our teeth are those of an omnivore, able to chew, tear and deal with a variety of food types.

Our digestive system has the enzymes and chemicals needed to deal with meat, fruit, veg etc. However we can't digest cellulose-the main source of energy in grass for example. We use it as roughage instead.

So just on a physical level we were designed/evolved to eat meat, fish, cereal, veg and fruit etc.  We were NOT designed as vegetarians or vegans or macriobiotic vegans (personal rant on that last hehe).

Also we were not designed to eat highly refined foods like white bread, many sweet foods either. Certainly not designed to eat incredibly highly concentrated sugary or salty things.  Nor tenderised plastic like macdonalds crap .

How we get our meat might be more important.  If you obtained the meat yourself in a manner that was far more humane and suchlike-instead of eating a factory farmed and killed animal may well make a far huger impact than becoming vegetarian.  How our meat is obtained is more of a reason to consider being a vegetarian (never vegan for me though!) than anything else.

Since it's relevant can anyone explain why my kundalini yoga session last night-and last weeks session-causes me to need more than 5 pints of water during the day, actually today I've lost track of how many big and little drinks of water I need. I haven't altered my diet or any other exercise routines.  I do get the heat up the core of my body when I contract mahbandha.  Today I moderated the resulting sex drive severely-deliberately. Not sure if that influenced the water thing though.

A brain showing a response to something doesn't say anything about the reality of said something necessarily. the debate is going to be with epiphany of the reality of the state. Is your brain reacting to something real, or is that an illusion?

Something else I've thought of, that i really need to sit and type out properly, is this.

If it's possible to induce epiphany-yes I've decided to use that word, because it's the best one that describes the state of mind I've had a few times now-is that also something anyone can induce or have induced? It seems likely given the amount of accounts on this subject I've seen.  So perhaps there are common factors? I feel that this state of mind could be also a highly suggestable vulnerable state of mind.  So if someone is evangelising/chanting/singing etc something religious in particular, you could become a complete and true believer in that "something".  

The brain will rationalise anything given enough motivation. This state of mind is an incredibly powerful motivation. For me it beat orgasm, drug highs and other stuff a thousand times over.  This could explain many many cults and other practices.

It doesn't however contain the evidence within it to settle any of the arguements about whether a God, Creator or something like it exists.
So it doesn't contain the evidence needed to tell any one religion that it's wrong either. Or right.  It seems almost, irrelevant to that arguement. If you think about it, if anyone of any faith  or of no faith-like me-can experience epiphany then this kind of experience cannot inform anyone of the validity or not of their faith.  Though experiencing within a faith will make someone a devout believer I am positive of that.

If I'd gone to a church service and felt this, yes i think I'd have become a believer.  The sensation is THAT powerful.

Now what do I do? I didn't get any "religion" by experiencing it.  Just a knowing of "something"

2 yrs is still a beginner in many traditions and practices. In theory I have 17 years of practice in moving energy etc-and yes it's a solid distinctive sensation-not imagined waftiness. Heat/tingles/pressure and some sensations that are hard to verbalise-almost muscular to a degree.

Despite that, I know that I'm not much further on than a practice novice. This was brought home to me when I worked along side an italian tai chi instructor called Salvatore who was on our course last December. He was so much stronger in moving chi it was shocking almost .  

You are lucky you had latent psychic talent that could be opened up. My youngest brother also has that and it opened up within 2 yrs or so for him. Mine, is nonexistent.

Beavis I agree with you. Why have they bothered creating laws that go beyond protecting us from each others behaviour I'll never know.

Murder, theft, abuse/rape etc I will understand-you have to guard against and punish. Never in question. But many other concepts that are legislated-including what substances to alter my mind I'm allowed to use is just moralist dictatorial style pap.  Hope they grow out of it somehow-even if it's to raise extra tax .

The device employs electromagnetic radiation (EMR) of gigahertz frequency, pulsed at extremely low frequencies (ELF).

Spot the scientific double talk.

I'll write more later. Eating right now. Just HAD to highlight this line of nonsense. Haven't evaluated the rest properly yet though-just this paragraph had crap in it.

LOL NeoSaturn. Yeah he writes in an evangelical way - the book, "And The Truth Shall Set You Free" had a big impact on me when I was 17.  But I've learnt something about inducing epiphany states recently and i've realised that if I'd had epiphany happen to me in church etc I'd be a true believer now.  Something I'm gonna write a post about later on I think.

As for David Icke, get yourself some huge pinches of salt to take his books with. I personally think it's mostly rubbish to be honest. That as ever is my opinion with the experience I have.  There are many books by many people from many viewpoints that "explain" so much. . Discernment is one important factor I think .

Levitation is WAY too difficult for me to consider trying for..especially as I'm a fat git. .
I would be amazed if anyone on the net, here or otherwise can do this. or show you a way to do it in one lifetime.
But that's just what I believe.
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