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Sorry EnderZ, I read my own post and didn't understand it either. :hammer: I'll go into this topic in more depth next time.

Or alternatively, you can go "inwards" and try to do the visual entry while already having exited, or when you're half out, and then phase into the environment that appears.

The latter works pretty well, since the images are far more vivid and stable than the usual hypnagogic imagery occurring before this, and which are more associated with non-lucid dreaming.

Yeah, it's never late to do this even while already being exited. You can always spin back to your energy body if you want to. Just fly off, put yourself in a passive state of hovering and state your intent aloud that you want to be taken back into your energy body without waking up. The more precise your order the better its result. This maneuver will reset any projection.

If for some reason you fly a lot or just want to use this trick to travel more in dreaming you may choose to look at your palm all the way along to fully detach yourself from the dream and not interfere with the transition.

You may be pressured against the ground at a seemingly random place as in the case of lucid dreaming (layered dreaming). This is where you entered the lucid dream (second layer) at the first place. Or you may fly back right to your body ready to phase or come out again.

Being unemployed in a profession not yet invented, psychoinformatics, I'm sure that merging mind and computer sciences will have an enormous impact on society. Internet was just a faint introduction of what comes when science recognizes the role of EM fields in consciousness. Then life on Earth would never be the same.

I agree with you that technical assistance, or better, direct induction of OBE will be soon implemented (probably by transcanial magnetic stimulation) along with a great variety of technical devices such as to transport our energy body precisely across the globe as a cheap way to travel and meet with others, devices to electromagnetically protect spaces from nosy eyes, to attain perfect health, etc.

The barrier between the waking state and the RTZ will simply break down but consciousness remains untouched. It's very unlikely that science would get access in the near future to the subtle mechanics of consciousness and ignorant or dumb people would travel freely in spiritual realms. If technically assisted spiritual travel would ever be possible probably it wouldn't reach out beyond the RTZ, just open worm holes and things like that to simulate the condition of layered dreaming. Well we will see soon. We don't have to sleep too much.

Probably it's more than just speculation since layered dreaming utilizes similar mechanics. Basically you lay down in a dream or in the RTZ and project inwardly as you were phasing or doing hypnagog WILD. You sort of zoom through a hole that appear within your mind without actually moving with your slumbering body. It's far more easy to do in dreaming if you clear about your goals. You can also separate from your dream or RTZ body in another body. Either way you end up at another layer of dreaming which is somehow contained by the previous.

The main difference is that separation usually puts you into a version of the previous layer, while phasing has no such limits. Basically this is what we do every night to reach dream land. We shift into the energy body then phase into our personal dream word. Fake RTZ OBEs, in which you see a different world than it should be, are usually false awakenings that take place on a second dream layer. They happen when you dream about separation while already being in a separable bioplasm body. These fake OBEs usually colored by an unique feeling that is different in almost every case and relate to each other as grapes on a vine.

I have yet only one shared dreams that I was able to adequately verify. We slept close together in the same position. I suspect that when you sleep close to a person you can enter his or her dream with more ease. It's probably partly due to the overlapping energy bodies and are similar in effect to the force that build our consensus waking word. Could be also that mimicing the position of one's sleeping body acts as an identifier in not just one way. You can use it not only to reconnect with your own sleeping body while being in a dream but you can also use it to connect another person's dream while being in his expanded energy body and mimiking his sleeping position. You can do this either with your sleeping body or in the RTZ with your second body.

Probably this is the reason why helpers and "old hags" appear around the bed when while infiltrating someone's dream. I also fly a lot around in dreams with various entities on my back while having awareness, at the same time, of talking and being stationary with them "somewhere else." This "somewhere else" could be the RTZ bedroom or another previous layer of dreaming. We would be lost without having a bioplasm body to keep a copy of ourselves in safe!

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Tom, got tired of the icy Canada? We couldn't afford such trips here. In the interim, please phone home to stop killing innocent baby seals or we will butcher the camels! Seriously.

I tried to set up chest consciousness while being in the honey, but not enough times to know whether it works or not. I use the shift after I start to see.

In my experience, leaving the bedroom would usually clear up things right away, yes. But it is also very likely that you would leave the RTZ as well.

It's possible to reconstruct RTZ attention all the way up from dream consciousness, but you could get the best grip on things right at the beginning.

You need at least one dream element to hold onto that you know isn't hallucinated to reconstruct the entire room. No matter how distorted, the first visual impression is usually from the RTZ.  

Even the pull itself is one of the objective elements. By trying to feel the pull with your hands you can render it to your dream senses as the astral cord.

You know those OBEs where you're stumbling around in total blackness, and not being able to see? That's not normal blackness. It's the 3D blackness.

Of course, you have a second body in this 3D blackness, but it is the same 3D blackness operating under the assumption that you are in your room. You could say, that once you start to see...you phase from the 3D blackness int the RTZ while maintaining a sense of second body.  

Exactly! The main difference is that due to the induction method you have used your interest is rather somatic than visually oriented. You can, in fact, phase out from this postseparation darkness or minimal perceptual environment at any place you concentrate on.

I actually realized this while trying to keep sensory coherence within the walls of my bedroom. I saw weird things in the deep that made me think about the RTZ bedroom as being nothing more than a landing unit of my waking self constructed by mere expectations.

Although its purpose is to protect ourselves from the real astral, a raw and uninterpreted form of consciousness which the 3D darkness actually is, it could be as close representation of the objective world as possible by feeding on the raw sensory feedback of a condensed electromagnetic field in F12. Your ego are still, however, within your astral body, as always, even during waking, watching the most appropriate pictures chosen from your memory.

Well I feel the same with life, so I prefer to do nothing.
The greatest pain of all is to chose one from the infinite possibilities.
(You're quite philosophical today, jub jub.)

I like these goals. I think we should start with rooting ourselves in the RTZ and building up trust and confidence in our non-physical senses. Meeting with others in states similar to false awakening, mapping and changing dreams and converting them into RTZ OBE should be a parallel work. After 9 years I'm still working on it.

It's more difficult to have a projection without having a little goal or something preplanned. I trained myself with simple things like taking a walk on the roof then going back to my bedroom, inspecting my hands, my body, etc. I have little protocols and to-do lists for different situations. I still am often struggling for my memories though, but may be that is the main point of the training.

That's strange, I usually feel rather envigorated. I don't think it's age related, although I'm just 28. Could be also that you wake up too fast or in a wrong stage which would disrupt your sleep severely. Don't give up on it too soon jub^2. It's fun!

Hi EnderZ, I second what catmeow said. It looks like an etheric overlay. There is a stage in of defantomizing false awakening type dreams where I often feel the same. This usually happens right before my legs disappear and a purest RTZ perception set in.

I always considered the staggering or drunken feeling as the sign of switching between perception. You can speed up the process by sort of swallowing your center of self into your chest. The sea legs feeling will go away and you can propel yourself freely as a blob of attention.

I really admire how you so uniquely, and independently make sense of your experiences.

The scary part is that I fully understand what you're saying, and agree with all of it albeit I often use a different terminology.

If interested, this last experience of mine convinced me fully on the 3D blackness being F12 located quite closely to a deep 10, and ties in with several of your comments.

Thanks, Tom. My terminology doesn't reflect how I think about these things but probably it's the best way to explain myself. The mystical language is better but this time we want to share information not inspiration.

I'm afraid my comments are not new for you and I just repeating myself with my clumsy English, but what you described in that thread reminds me to... (no please, please no again)

THE CONSCIOUSNESS CONE!  :surprise:   :orcmoon:

Seriously, how could someone come up with a better and more practical symbol than the concept of a cone that projects above the head into the depths of consciousness?

Your feelings about the REBAL seem quite appropriate to me cause I've always associated the process of phasing out of the body with the toroidal flow depicted in the REBAL.

But I have mixed feelings about the original exercise. Monroe suggests to visualize a protective bubble around ourselves by reinforcing the surface of a donought shaped body via the breathing process. The the organism bounded plasma indeed shaped by the electromagnetic field of the human body into a torus, but I doubt that the funnel like upper depression (omega aperture) on the bioplasm body has anything to do with the consciousness cone.

The omega aperture may be the exit point of the organs of perception (the fluxus tubes I mentioned in a previous post) which are generated by the thalamocortical system. They may be good for classical phasing (zooming through holes within the mind) but not for a phasing styled OBE (which you described)!

The consciousness cone is the continuation of our body in the higher focus levels, a series of successively more delocalised energy fields, layers of the human aura. In other words, we sit inside a self-made space that appear to be connected to the rest of our self via the cone.

So when we come to the idea of doing OBE via phasing, we would benefit more from a REBAL exercise that emphasizes the isopotential lines (that project into infinity at the omega aperture and curve back to the alpha) above bioplasm. Pumping the plasm around the body would probably just render you pray for RVers but I admit, it's an excellent way to start an etheric OBE. It could halt the phasing process in different stages as spinning with a second body.

One of my favorite OBE drill is to shift my focal point out of my chest with a passive exhalation to a point above my head. At the same time I collapse in bed like a rag doll. I do this periodically in trance and every time I capture myself getting back from drifting away.

In the toroidal version of this maneuver I bend the exteriorised energy back like a fountain and rotate around my body quite like in the original REBAL. This sometimes end up in being a spinning double. Even if does not, it's good to relax and to center myself in the bioplasm body.

As sleep deepens the cone gains more reality. I can literally feel the vast expanse above me if I want to. Keeping the feel of this connection while drifting into sleep is probably the holy grail for unifying OBE and phasing.

Considering our vertical constitution, the space above our head probably has greater significance than any other, but I wouldn't be surprised if you were able to feel the 3D space at 8 o'clock too, if you happen to be in that mood. I never tried it but many times felt strong pressure in my base chakra and my solar plexus upon awakening.

Sometimes the point shift tricj simply doesn't work but by fiercely concentrating on a point above my head for a couple of seconds I would able to get a good enough grasp on a second body of some sort to attempt separation. Then it takes 1-2 minutes of slow movement and swaying to get somewhere.

The point above the head in the holographic body space is mysteriously connected to the geometric center of the energy body, the region of the solar plexus which is where I focus at the beginning of an OBE attempt. I feel myself breathing there to empty my mind and to trigger sleep. Along with the neck these two space, the one above the head, and solar plexus are part of the same triad, I call exterioristation or OBE triad.

This triad is exclusively for OBE. It's an energy configuration that coincides with the out of body state. To simplify things I'd say that during an OBE the focus of one's consciousness or something resides in those parts of the energy body that are associated with these spaces of the felt body. The solar plexus is the main candidate of bioplasm OBEs. In my initial experiences I have felt my cord connected to the solar plexus of my dream body. Similarly, neck is for dreaming (even the cord moves to that point when vision appears), and the point above the head is for phasing. (Corresponding homeopatic frequencies are 250, 500, 1000 Hz respectively - note they are harmonics of each other).

There is another triad, too, which deals with the state of being in the body. The IBE (or autopoetic triad) consists of the middle of the three cavities, probably directly corresponding with the three dan tien. The hara region (200Hz) mainly deals with internal vibrations, the middle of the chest (400Hz) with internal buzzes, and the middle of the head with entopic lights (800Hz). This is also the triad though which you can induce waking paralysis.

Basically I suspect the IBE triad to be a function of the thalamus and other reticular systems of the brain in general (e.g. ARAS for hara), while the OBE triad is mostly about the thalamocortical system as a whole and other gestalt systems not being confined to the brain. The frequencies mentioned above may be operational frequnecies of various thalamocortical loops, relay nuclei and could be useful for those who want to build brainwave generator presets. In this case, these frequencies are meant as carriers of binaural beats. You can extrude and activate consciousness in the corresponding parts of the C-continuum (see FFT analysis of TMI's tapes for concrete examples).

To ensure better memories and induce paralysis you can establish yourself in the IBE triad. This is simply done by concentrating on all or a combination of the above mentioned autopoetic signals (internal vibrations, noises, lights). This will potentiate auto-suggestions, too. Then attempt to phase out of your body either by doing the point shift method or by other means that connects the two triad. Almost every projection method can be traced back to triad dynamics.

Gradually phasing out of the body means a smooth shift between the IBE and OBE triads. Therefore, the following shifts happen at the same time:
1. The process of getting a separable body is connected to the shift of consciousness between the hara and the solar plexus;
2. A chest's to neck shift transforms inner buzzes to more complex noises and music;
3. The shift at the upper parts of the triad (middle of the head / forehead > the point above the head) coincides with the process of having hypnagogic pictures and dream-lets besides simple blobs of inner lights.

Since all this happen at the same time, where the center of consciousness trapped within the triad after the shift is being completed, determines how the projection is subjectively perceived. It's perfectly possible to have an RTZ OBE yet hearing higher aspects of our self communicating with you through the upper parts of the triad, as it has probably happened with you, Tom.

You were right btw about 3D blackness being at F12. All these other sensations like isolated noices, popping sounds, and other hypnagogic stuff are really just transitory phenomena in getting to F12 rather than characteristic of focus 12 itself.

Hi Tom. Basically 3D darkness is a pre-dream darkness somewhere in deep F10 / F12 when brain activity that coincides with conscious attention isn't longer focused in the primary visual cortex but rather on its way to being delocalised in the thalamocortical system.

So right before the 3D space you are looking into your own mind, seeing faint memory pictures, fleeting hypnagogics before an indistinguishable background of darkness. This is probably deep F10. The darkness is similar to but not exactly the same as the ordinary darkness of closed eyes.

As the retraction process continues in F12 you leave the pre-dream darkness and reach the 3D space. The energy body expands more, become fully open in the magnetosphere to receive information, or release your personality. You can phase or complete a traditional OBE by splitting the sensory field in F12 and exteriorising a portion of the bioplasm field in F10.

Thalamocortical reverberations generate tube like organs that projects into various domains of the consciousness, personal and collective memory banks, remote events and other compartment of consciousness in various focus levels, etc. to compose the unconscious background of our waking consciousness.

Since all compartments have its own memory bank and personality, and a mostly unidirectional flow of information, self-realization could be measured as the degree of mutuality in the informational exchange that takes place beetween these compartments.

(The ultimate goal would be of course to increase coherence and build a super-organism (or rather realize it from a potential state) while remaining firmly rooted in the biosphere by using biological organisms as energy sources.)

These tubes of perception are also used as tunnels to travel through in phasing. Usually a frozen picture appears at first beyond a hole or something, then it becomes animated. Then you can open the hole by panning your attention and zoom through the hole.

If you instead switch your attention back to the darkness that lies immediately behind your closed eyelids you can see the thalamocortical reverberation through your primary visual cortex as a simple pattern of light blobs, increased central luminescence.

Hands are the last part of our body that disappear when a raw OBE state set in. Similarly, hands represent the first intrusion of subjective content in objective OBE states without interfering too much. Having hands is an inherent parts of the human condition because they are symbols of manipulating our environment.

You can easily check the integrity of your waking personality by looking down at your hands. If they don't seem to belong to you or have a weird appearance you either run on very low lucidity (which will improve simply by this recognition) or your hands symbolize that you are at the verge of a yet unknown state.

For example if you see veins in your hands or faint light emanating from it, it may be the symbol that you reached the consciousness of your expanded bioplasm body. After separation you are still in this body and many things you feel around your dream body are part of it, so don't try to remove.

You got excellent instructions and had a good quality OBE. (Next time remember the diagram too.) The trick you were told to have an OBE reminds me to my original trick of spinning back into the sleeping position. It started with reaching out from the dream back to my sleeping body without giving up the dream, then spinning the dream body as fast as I could. This often resulted in the feeling of moving in the direction of my physical body, spinning and shrinking at the same time. For some reason, rotation in dreaming has a centripetal effect on consciousness, keeping things together not flying apart.

Your method is more simple as you have identified yourself with the remaining energy body from the beginning. Thus, you got the falling sensation instead of the experience of being a jinn and flying back to his lamp. But both methods are best suit for non ordinary starter dreams. I think your vision was slow because you had a continuous downloading channel operating between the initial dream and your bioplasm body. The dream internal speed was greater than of the real time and after separation you were still adapted to it. This is rather interesting as it localizes the "time quantator of attention" in the dream body and not in the brain / bioplasm body.

Not seeing the body is normal. Usually, the best I could see is an inclination on the bed or a pulsating grey mist. The first is probably a symbol of an "almost meeting," the second is raw perception. As Tom, a few times I had luck with another me and having good time to freak out each other. Once I saw myself getting up from the bed with the same lame movement I did later so I think what I saw was actually me from the next separation episode of the same projection. A typical projection has many separation episode that bloom out from the same real time root. It is perfectly common to have only one separation then flying away in many directions at the same time. Upon awakening the brain interprets these episodes as happened sequentially.

Yeah I quite agree with you guys, just trying to see this from a wider perspective. Abduction at the physiological level seems to be nothing more than a fear based hallucination triggered by some amigdaloid response. It's pretty inherent to the physiology of the state known as ASP (awareness during sleep paralysis) as well to the phenomena of FOP (feeling of presence). Some thinks it's a result of "intrahemispheric intrusion."

But again, these hypothesises don't exclude each other or the possibility of the interference of an external consciousnesses that try to gain advantage of various physiological processes. As reports of sudden death syndrome, for example, increases with sunspot activity so does UFO sightings coincide with tectonic activity, etc. We are part of the Nature, product of it, and Nature is proud of our shining cities!

I doubt aliens to be purely man made. Not quite sure what type of aliens says from the little million that is supposed to fly out there that they use a mask of some sort to communicate with us. I remember my initial shock when I first saw the grays' face in the television. It triggered a bunch of dream memories.

Some of these "aliens" goes as far to say they are actually us from inside out. Probably abduction is a modern form of shamanic initiation which symbolize humanity's contact with other levels of the universal mind. Hollywood just take its part in the process not generating it. External appearance is not important... It may be the result of an unconscious agreement between both sides. Could be archetypical or hard wired too. But when you thin about who made this hardware these options appear as really the same.

I've always wondered why is it that when you apply the 'right' frequency stimulus to the temporal lobe, you can have an 'alien abduction episode'. I just wondered why do humans have that kind of 'video' in our heads.

You can see it the other way around. I mean the temporal stimuli may work as a permissive factor that makes the abductee able to perceive an ongoing astral contact. Aliens may operate outside of time and space as we know it and when the abductee's brain is triggered by mirco seizures caused by either drugs, OBE-practice or some external application they use that period to let themselves known at the "conscious" level.

Kiwibonga dude made some good points here. We have many underlying circadian processes that shape our consciousness in the background. Component cycles are best tracked by spectral analysis of the low, mid and high alpha range of the EEG, but luckily also superimpose into a single well observable basic rest-activity cyclicity (BRAC) in which a 90-minute period of arousal alternates with a 20-minute period of rest. When paying attention to our nasal cycles we partly observe BRAC. Meditation is said to be best when both nostrils are open and I think projection is easier when the left one is dilatating.

I also observed an interesting thing while prolonging dream states by forced separations (up to 15-20). Since I remained close to the bed, these projections were kept in real time. After about 1 hour I usually ran out of something that is needed to see properly because my vision kept turning into grey. A general instability also set in and I became very slow and heavy. For some reason I felt very tired and just wanted to sleep. I was tempted to give up but much to my surprise after about 10-20 minutes of struggle my dreaming power renewed.

Tiredness was due to the prolonged cortical activation which makes REM sleep even more tiresome than waking and I'm pretty sure that increased stability and brightness were due to a renewed melatonin and DMT production. According to Callaway DMT is solely responsible for the visual power of our dreams. Even if it is not DMT there should be a finite potencial in the brain needed to visualize brightness. I know this because looking into a source of bright light, the dream sun for example, easily wakes me up. Also many of us familiar with the situation of groping around in darkness right after separation which I think happens when REM sleep switched on before enough DMT or whatever has been synthesized.

As for the problem of rushing all over through the astral, I know what you mean TVOS. I agree that this bonking every girl in town before the sun rises attitude is on the table but having had a couple of more peaceful exploration I suspect the cause to be not purely psychological. Probably it's related as well to different states of a consciousness, I mean states that are bounded to real time brain functions as opposed to "deep astral" that might be independent of the brain.

Especially the brain boundes states seem to be vulnerable to the quality and continuity of the sensory stream. If one pushes through a border symbol that separates different bubbles of perception, a windows for example, sort of a sensory resistance is encountered: loss of visual coherence and inability to move or switch viewpont. Apparently the visual system needs some time to interpret create a new sceneries. Similarly, if you fix your gaze on something, the state stabilizing visual feedback suffers a lot and you could easily fade back into your body. So I think people intuitively know that rusing around is a better option.

Although the more slow paced exploration is definitely possible could be also that restlessness is an inherent property of the non-physical state of being. In this case we're quite lucky here in the physical with all these slow paced molecular reactions as to having a plenty of time for introspection and just sitting in the garden looking out of our head. Probably this is the purpose of having a physical life at the first place, to use slow things, eat, defecate, using emotions and to see how our body deteriorates with time. This challenge us to look for something beyond and to integrate our self.

Astral projection is not like learning tantric masturbation overnight. I'm sure it needs a different approach than you have been used to. You could easily end up banging your head against an invisible brick wall if you want to learn it as an ordinary skill. Astral projection is an art that most of us have been practicing for years. It's very likely that you wouldn't take it in one week either.

You will have great experiences from the very beginning if you keep up the steady pressure. You might be able to project even today if you have enough faith but sooner or later you will run out of hot air. You really have a lot of systematic work ahead of you until you're able to cultivate this kind of faith at will. You'll get nowhere by despair and hurry that's for sure.

What you need in the first place is a lot of patience, I mean high frustration tolerance. Discipline your mind until it becomes silent, receptive and fluid. It's a good idea to clean your energy body too to stand the greater flow of energy it will face with being plugged in Earth's magnetosphere.

So I advice you to take back off from your furious speed and look around in the permanent section. We have a couple of local hero here worth to check out.

Couldn't see the cover from the distance but I'm sure it was pretty reasonable.

No real ebooks to my knowledge. But you can download his first book via any P2P network like Direct Connect or Kazaa. I once saw his second book too but probably I was just hallucinating.

This post is apparently against some law of Nature cause my comp crashed many times trying to post this. I made another post at first to confuse Karma. I had to try it anyway because Lao Tse once said also that whatever goes against the Way ceases to live.

PM me for your illegal copy

Hi Tom! I'm glad to see you still around too. I was just shopping here... but who knows I could happen to be a regular again.

BTW I saw Frank in the 7th Heaven selling his new book in a pavilion beneath his own statue. I waved to him but he didn't notice me so I toke some pictures and flew away excitedly planning how to announce the good news here.

oh yeah frank was a sex machine

Hi CF,

Vibrations are quite difficult to induce. As you probably already know, you don't need them to project. In fact, your body try to avoid them because the vibrational state is pretty similar to having an epileptic seizure during sleep. It is not a balanced state at all, but as part of your OBE progress it is natural at the beginning. Almost every people start their OBE career by experiencing the vibrational state spontaneously later on the night after making some effort to project.

I think you should redefine your goals and start observing the sleep process, looking for personal clues.

Projecting to the more integrated states of consciousness, that is "above the human plane," requires the energy body to expand. Actually it's more like a process of delocalisation which occurs by transferring awareness from the center of your auric system to its periphery where it blends into the background energy common for all of us.

On the other hand, moving to the opposite direction often accompanied by a shrinking feeling. It's like you were a jin being sucked back to his lamp. It occurs when you projects into your own macrocosmos.

Normally these episodes are masked out from consciousness.

It seems like you were very close. All you had to do is to keep the pressure on, pushing yourself against the top of you head.

Along with the centre of your auric field (which is projected roughly around the solar plexus region), this point serves as manhole for implosion.

As the first step in projection, impulsion takes you into your expanded energy body. Then you can separate with it in the RTZ or remain still and dream inside.