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Do you have to be religous to obtain high spritual development?

I am agnostic and don't belive in a true religon. But most people who talk about being highly developed spiritual wise, they always have some religon in their statement.

Well I don't think that you need to be religous to get closer with your higher self and "god".

What does everyone else think?

Is this possible and how would you achieve it??

But..... Who would want to be immortal anyway. I'd go crazy

Anyone gonna watch this so called "Debate". With all these rules I dont know if you can really call it that.

In 4 1/2 years my favorite late night host, Coan O'Brian, will take over the Tonight Show replacing  Jay Leno.

Anyone else dissapointed to see Conan leave is own show. I just hope that he doesnt change is comedy drasticlly when he switches over

Anyone belive that we could be living in a Matrix such as portrayed in as the movie??

I think it is possible but I dont really belive the connections between humans and machines. But some of the other stuff I could see being real

In some of my dreams latley, I have had different personalities.

Normally, I am either a quiet person or a very loud random person. This all depends the people that I'm around. But at home latley i have been very moody and angry. This is probaly because odf some of the medications I have been taking.

But anyways..... I have felt like a leader in my dreams latley. I have felt in charge and unstoppable. I can't really recall details but know that these things happened. I can only remember parts of dreams when I wake up immediatley from them. I don't usually feel like a leader or having need to take charge, It is just not me.

I have also felt the need to kill people in my dreams. Not actually doing it, but making those threats. It's like i have been invinciable latley in them.

Any ideas? it might just because i was on Remeron but I don't know

It has been 1 month since I had my first partial OBE and panic attack. But since then, I havent made much progress.

I am having the problem of falling alseep while in a partial trance state. I never did this before I had a panic attack but it is becomeing more difficult.

I used to be able to get into a full trance with ease and being very close to projecting. But I keep falling alsleep before this state. I think that a part of me is still some what afraid when I had a 5sec OBE before and had a panic attack. I keep telling myself that everything is fine and that I am safe but I keep falling asleep.

Any suggestions??

I've been doing energy work for about 3 months now and some of my main chakras are not that active. My brow,throat,Crown, and heart chakras are not that active. My spleen and solar plexus chakas are somewhat stimulative. Even when I'm doing energy raising on these chakras, it's not really that much of a sensation where as my secondary chakras on my hands and feet are active all the time. I'm not sure if this is normal or I need to spend more time energy raising as I only doi it about 2-3 times a week.

My left side of my body is more stimulative than the right, which is normal, but tmy secondary chakras on the right side of my body are more stimulative thenn my main ones. Expect for my solar plex us and spleen chakras witch can be active alot.

Any suggestions??

I have been on 100mg Zoloft the last few months and my docter had me switch over to this other type of medication to be more directed in helping with sleep. The new medication is called Mirtazapine. I just switched over to 15mg of this stuff a few weeks ago and I think I may be experiencing a possible NEG attack or side effects from the medicine.

Actually Labor day weekend was killer for me. On Saturday i went to a MTG(magic the gathering) PTQ with a few of my friends and only got about 3 hours asleep. Mormally this would be a problem going to a card tournament the next day but it was actually the opposite. Instead of being fully exhausted during the day, I had tons of energy and had more than my friends who had 8-10 hours under their belt. I thought this was a bit strange for me as I usually don't have a lot of energy during the day. Anyways, i actually did pretty well in the tourney and pioleted a 5-2 record, not enough for Top 8, but a good days work on having almost no sleep.

After the tourney I we traveled down to our local card shop for a small draft tournament. Again, I had tons of energy. The energy helped me when the tournament and I felt like I had done a good days work.

Now Sunday and Monday were totally different. Sunday I woke up at about 10am and felt exhausted. I expected this. I got some food and went back to bed. The next time I woke up was about 11pm at night. I felt even more tired after getting 13 hours of sleep. My head was pounding when I woke up and I know i had some scary dreams even though I cant recall much of it. I decided to go back asleep again. Between 12am and 1 pm at night I woke up about 6 times in between. Each time was a powerful dream with me being a leader of some sort and directing somthing powerful. But at the end of the dreams i felt like I was attacked. At one point I woke up at about 2am and seriously felt like some black figure was coming into or out of my body. I couldnt move ny body for like a minute. Then i regained full concious and was a little freaked out. It felt like somthing was trying to control me or somthing. I had theses dreams until about 1pm. Right after I woke up at 1, i decided i wasnt going back to sleep then. I was exhausted but somthing weird was goin on.

Now for all of Monday I literally had no energy. I had major headaches, dizziness, lost of some visualization. Not just physical effects. I was moody and ticked off as hell. I literally thought that I was the strongest mental/physical being in the world and that nothing, i mean nothing could stop me. It was like my Sub-concious was trying to take me over or get the best of me.

I think my subconcious may have mis-interpeted somthing I said sundaynight. While we were at the card shop, the discusson of religon came up again like always. I was talking about Mormonism (like I always do as I used to be one) and how that if that religon was ever right, that I would do anything in my power to shut it down permantly. I was thinking anything. I was talking about even going under satan's wing and doing everything I could to bring the evilness out of religon. Now in my mind I was thinking that this was not very logical but I would stand up for anything I belived in. So I dont know if my subby got the wrong message.

Wow thats a lot of ramble. I don't know why I was having "NEG" attacks. Or If i even had them at all. I dont know if it was switching over to new medicine or stress, or maybe it was nothing. I talked to my friend who has been invloved with stuff realted to this site for like 5 years and he said he didn't sence much negativity around me. He said try to think positive and to shut your brain down before you go to sleep. Maybe he's right

Thank's for any comments or suggestions.

-TheDarkApprentice

PS- Sorry i talked so much about magic, its just that its a good chunk of my life as poker is as well

I had an odd set of dreams last night which invloved 3 different dreams in one night/morning.

On Sunday afternoon I was really tired so decided to go to sleep at 6 PM. Unfortunitly i miss the Pokeer Superstars invitational but it's all good. But anways, i slept for a very long time. Infact, I didnt wake up until about 1 PM Monday afternoon. I splept for about 20 hours?? But beyond that  being a bit abmormal, I woke up randomly a few times in the middle of the night. The first time I woke was about 5 hours i initally fell asleep. I woke up for literally 10 seconds and remembered I had a dream. I remembered it pretty clearly and fell back asleep. i then fell asleep again and woke up at about 3 AM. This time I had had another dream and remembered some of it when i woke up. I was so tired and saw the time on my clock that I just layed down and went back asleep. Now this dream lasted for I think about 9 hours but I could only remember parts of it. I first realized i was having this dream when i woke up at 7 AM. I woke up and was like, "Whoa, that was a pretty cool dream." I remembered most of it and fell back asleep. I then woke again up at 10Am and remembered the same dream. I then fell asleep again and woke up at 1PM. This time I didn't go back to sleep even though I could.

I remembered all three of the dreams clearly within the first hour that i woke up. This doesnt usually happen to me as I dont hace the greatest memories. I could recall certain events that had happened and i was just really weird. It was like my dream was in a 3rd person kind of view. I was the 3rd person watching the whole dream play out and not do anything to change it. I could only recall what happened.

Well I don't think this was a lucid dream at all. But was a bit different for me. I haven't been trying to start luicd dreaming (will be starting soon) and this experience was just diffferent for me. I have benn attempting to OBE now and think that this may have somthing to do with it.

Well here my bunch of ramblibg sentences. Im really tired and dont even know half the stuff I am saying. So you don't have to reply on the fact that i;m an idiot. Trust me..... I know

I started meditating for the first time last night as I hope it will help me with energy work and astral experiences. But when i started to meditate I heard high pitch screeching noises in my ears within 30 seconds into me meditating. I meditated for 30 min and the screeching lasted the hole time. Is this normal??? I also though I heard other random noises as well

I am not sure if I have been able to create a shield. On Psipog it says in one of the articles that if you can make a psi ball, you should have no problems making a shield. I can make psi balls very easily although I've only seen color in my energy a few times.

I just don't know what it's suppose to feel like if you create a shiled. Or are you not suppose to feel anything? But just know that it's there. The way i attempted to make a shield, I envisoned my self gathering a lot of energy from the earth and that it was pouring into my body. I then imagined that the energy was coming out of me and shielding around me. I directed the energy in my aura and envisoned a titanium like barrier around me. Does this work?

I tried following the directions on one of the articles on psipog. I just don't know if I'm doing it right or that I am, but you just don't feel it.

Anywho, I am really concerned as I heard it is really important to master shields from negs and other entities

1. Do you think that someone may be controlling the president?? Look at the stuff he has been doing.

2. Can you be so good at telepathy that it is possible to do this??

Simple question- Do you belive that there is a hell and what do you think it's like? Would the lowest astral plane possible possibly be hell?

Here's some other stuff on my mind.

I am agnostic and don't know what do belive. I'm 16 and unfortuneitly used to be mormon(cult). They precived hell or as they call it outer darkness, was for all people who didn't follow god's pan and wereextrmely negative and did evil demonic things on Earth. They also belive that there are three kingdoms of heavan and to be with god/heavnly father in the highest kingdom(Celestial kingdom) that we would have to be baptised, married in he temple, and live the purest and clean life and try to be like Jesus as much as we can.

I strongly disagree as I'm sure most people other than other mormons do. This is why I am agnostic. If we were all ment to be perfect then did exactly what god does, then there is no room for improvement and we're just following someonelse's orders. If there is a god, do you really think he/she would do this?? Most of these religons belive that they need do everything to be closest to god as we can and so we can obey him and live with him some day. Why?

Can't we think for ourselves and belive in ourselves? Although some religons are good for sme people, as they help them find their own spritual guidance and steers them in the right direction, they are some what being brainwashed and not thinking for themselves. You ask these people the infamous question, What would your faith and ideas of life be if you lived on a deserted iland all your life or were brought in a different upbringing, a lot of them say that they would still find good and be the same. That is BS. Wherever you are, and wherever you grow up, you will start out differently than say someone who grew up in africa opposed to someone who grew up in canada. Some people have the willpower to change and explore different ideas, but most people are so brainwashed that what they have been taught will stick with them. A lot of religons belive that you have to do certain to follow the bible and follow the church and do thing their way. But what you were on that deserted island. Would you go to what some of these religon's call hell?? Some think so. Even if you were a good person and just tried to live life to the fullest. If you don't belive in their faith or in a god at all, then you're done.

It just really saddens me that some people are caught in this trap and can't think for themselves. Some people don't have the willpower to see through it.

And if god is so great as he suppose to be, Then why is their a hell??? Wouldn't god want to try to teach these people that portrayed themselves as evil and just let them be. Do you really belive the apocolyse in the bible?? It's the biggest fiction tale ever. As I see then according to some relgons, God has a really evil side and doesn't respect people who choose a different path and not follow things that he has supposedly set out for us to do.

To conclude, I really do think that their's a great possibility that there is a god/higher power or even multiple ones. In a way, i think we may be our own god or everything and one is connected and we are all in a huge dream and don't really exist.

I am also sorry if I offened any of you but this is what I belive. If want to belive in somthing that you read about or because society or someone told you it's true, go ahead. I'm sorry for you. i would think that more people could belive in themselves but hey, some of us really do need more help than otheres and it's allright at times.

There's my rambling statement for today.( Man I wanted to talk about hell but got completely off topic)

-TheDarkApprentice

P.S.- If Mormonism was ever real, I'd kill myself in a heartbeat and do everything I could, anyway possible, to destroy it. I would actually be doing good for the world.

Is it possible to fly or float for a certain amount of time in the psyical world and in our current state???

I wouldn't see why not. In TK it's possible to float things and become one with the object your focusing on. But can't we just focus on being won with our sub-concious/higher self and therefore be able to fly??

Is it a danger to absorbe energy from lighting??? If we absorb to much lighting energy could this cause harm to our bodies or could we possible get struck???

And for advanced people in energy work(witch ii am not), if it is possible to absorb great amounts of energy from lightning and it is realativly safe, what age or stage in development should we start??

These are probaly dumb questions but I've only been doing energy work for about 2-3 months and just wanna know the dangers and causes of everything.

I'm not sure if this the right topic but here it goes

Is there any expalnation for De ja vu and why it happens? Or do our minds think that we are seeing a reccuring event. I have de ja vu about a few times a month and was wondering if anybody else experiences it a lot and can make anything of it.

I was wondering how you detect/feel out for negative energy??? Can you just feel if somthing or someone has a negative vibe or can you sense it by making your vibrations stronger???

Also, say your in the line at a grocery store and there are a bunch of people in line. How do you tell if those people are trying to tap into your energy?? And if they are normal people and don't know anything about energy development, are they still able to do this??

I just amost accomplished an OBE and am estatic that I got to this point but dissapointed that I was almost there and couldn't get out. Heres what happened.

I was in the paralysis state that I have been in the last few times I've tried to have an OBE and the Vibratioins were more forceful than I ever had expected. Instead of just heavy vibrations, my chest was pounding rapidly and I got barley breathe. The pain was unbearable but kept trying because I was almost there. The problem was that every time I inhaled or exhaled the pain would become even more unbarable to my chest and throat area and would loose my concentration. I was in this state for I think about 20 minutes and almost got "out of my body".

The whole time this was happening my hands were literaly lifted off the ground and I was sweating profusely. I got to one point where my vision became whiter and my eyelids were started to lift involuntarily and i was trying to keep them up. But I couldn't breathe very well at all. I tried to slow down my breathing, but everytime I was almost "out" the pain in my chest got more painful and I guess my body couldn't take it.

I am excited I got this for because I haven't got to this step yet and am one step closer to achieving my goal. I was very close

When my attempt was done, I was soaking with sweat and my bed was literaly soaked. I just tried this OBE 30 minutes ago and I still have a pain in my chest and my thorat and it is still hard to breathe.

Now I am wondering, are all these reactions normal??? Was I almost there??? And have any of you experienced the same difficulties that I faced??

Damn, I was almost there

Hey everyone. Ive been practicing to OBE for about a month now and I think I'm almost able to project but can't get over the final hump.

I can get to the point where my body is vibrating heavily and in involuntary paralysis, but i can't get to the next step. A lot of times I fall asleep after i get to this state. Its really frusterating. I've been trying the rope technique as well. Its gets me to the paralysis state faster but i haven't had an OBE yet.

Any suggestions???

I've been trying to accomplish an OOBE now and think I'm almost there. I have goten to the point where my body is in the paralysis stage but haven't goten out of my body. Any suggestions??? And how do you know when you have goten out of your body??? Thank you.

(Also, what is the difference between a OBE and whar i have recently just heard of, "Soulscape")

quote:Originally posted by Jenadots

End of the world?  Not today.

Dear Dark Apprentice,  The earth is not dying....changing perhaps, but our remarkable planet has its own system of self-renewal.  

We, as a species, may someday go the way of the dinosaurs or may evolve into another, better species.  No one knows.

And on the bright side, scientists announced today that the hole in the Ozone layer over the South Pole has shrunk by 20%.  That is good.  They aren't sure why, but it is a measureable improvement.  

The real problem isn't that the planet is dying, but what over 6 billion people on it are doing to it.  Some think the earth's capacity is 10 billion of us and that is likely to occur in the next 25 to 50 years.  The problem is there are already too many of us overtaxing ecosystems just to have food and water.  Throw in the pollution from all the "stuff" we think we need and the irresponsibility of governments, corporations, and individuals and I agree it is quite a pig-sty.  

On the other hand, there are more trees in North America than there were a few hundred years ago.  Yes, there are...doesn't quite make up for the destruction of the world's rain forests all along the equator, but those countries may see reason yet.  Of course, most of those countries are not willing or culturally able to manage their birth rates so more and more people are clearing away more and more forest areas.  

Probably a better population for the planet is half what it is today.  But who gets to live and who gets to die...and who gets to decide.  I wouldn't want to decide that, would you?

I do believe that we as a species, and our planet, are still salvageable and worth saving.  How that can be accomplished is the real question.  We know what needs to be done, yet no country seems really willing to do it.  At least not yet.  Maybe things have to get a lot worse before those who have the real power in the world will do those things.  

Or maybe the rest of us will finally find a way to throw the bums out if they don't.

We are all here today.  Tomorrow is just an anticipation.  We may be approaching an end to certain kinds of civilization but I doubt if we are at the end of the world or the end of all life on this planet.  

Life, in whatever form, always seems to find a way to exist and grow.

In other words, your despair may be a bit of an over-reaction.  

I argee with you completely. If humans had never inhabitied this planet, then it would not be in the state it would be today.

The more correct statement is that "The human race is causing the earth to change for the worse"

quote:Originally posted by Kenneth

Hello TheDarkApprentice,

I would agree with most of the other posters here, that Religion (when it starts out) is good. But when it changes from being a gathering of people with basically the same belief, to an "institution", I find it more of an obstacle actually.

I sort of "weed" out possible religions based on these short facts:

- Do they promise something IN THE FUTURE, like if you do "this and that", then you are home free in about 20 years time [] ... then they are (IMO) misguided. Your hope of salvation or redemption is in the NOW, and NOT in the future.

- If they start to talk about "Us against " or "THEY are wrong, and WE are right!!", then I'm out of there faster than you can say "Where did he go ??" .... promotion of "fronts", or talks in the direction of seperation / segregation among persons are not my cup of tea - and absolutely not any one I would place my future inner development with! []

- And ofcourse the "easy" on, if they talk about "You have to pay a small fee for this "blessing", and another amount for this and that...", Well, then I'm out of there as well.

- If they try to LIMIT my way of thinking - i.e. not allowing some ideas because they are not explicitly written in some book written a couple of thousands years ago, then they have to do without me too. I for one prefer that there are room for growth, errors and development in my beliefs []

- If they work with Pursuation rather than education, then I'm gone too [B)] ... Personally I don't need anyone telling me what to believe - but I am very thankfull when someone tells me what THEY believe, why they do it, and what it gives them personally []

There are probably a couple more, but these are shots from the hib as to why I have chosen NOT to actively join any religious cult, sekt or established religion. I find that all the religions I have come across unfortunately fits one of the above [xx(]

My "religion" is the phrase "If it harms no one, then do it!", with the exception to the harming thing being "Protect the weak from the strong", and I TRY to live by that, but it IS difficult []

Also what I do (and the motive behind it) WILL eventually come back to me again, in some form or another, so that is also one of my "golden rules", that I try to apply - even if it IS difficult []


Cheers from Denmark,

If there any religon that portrays undering your relgion "rules" that you feel is a good religon Kenneth?

I sure haven't seen any.

[BECAUSE WE ENSLAVE OURSELVES]

quote:Originally posted by volcomstone

the whole point of the movie is that we create our own matrix (DUH!!)

we don't have to rely on others to enslave us

BECAUSE WE ENSLAVE OURSELVES BY MAINTAINING OUR BELIEF STRUCTURES AND IDEAL'S BASED SOLELY ON WHAT WE "KNOW" OR WHAT WE CAN "LEARN"

we confine ourselves to the reality that we want to.

Man I wish that the whole world was Open-Minded about anything. Then our reality would be totally different

quote:Originally posted by daem0n

quote:Originally posted by TheDarkApprentice
yeah I need to work on my anger. I started doing Metapyshics and astral stuff 3 months ago and still have several emotional problems.

still ?? how on earth do you suppose it's gonna solve your emotional problems ??

apart from clearing blockages realising emotions, and changing character, a bit ...

I duno man, I have had mental problems all my life. I don't think that they will change anytimr soon. one thing I don't have though is strong emoiton towards people. I don't love or care for anyone. Not my friends or family.

If my parents died the next day I'd be like, "Oh, yeah thats sad" then get on with my life. I guess part of my problem is that I'm not emoitonal enough. But there hasnt been anything in my life yet for me to feel that way