Messages

Formed by Romero de Cunha, who postured as a light magician, but from what I have heard he is anything but. Most the inner members left when they caught wind of how dark he really is. My advice: stay clear of anything to do with them!!

I think sensing the presence of an astral projector using physical equipment would be quite a big step, have been considering this for ages, eg the construction of a "spirit keyboard". Try playing with coils (small core, many many many many turns). Also research into scalar waves and their detection using special coils etc. Let me know if you try any of this, whether u get results or not, both results are obviously important.

good luck!!

Rob

IMO crystals work a) through setting off assocations, probably deep and at the collective subconscious level (due to shape, colour, beauty, etc), and b) due to the crystalline structure adding shape power on a microscropic to macroscopic level and c) through their resonant properties (eg quartz, think watches) and there is probably a d) which I dont know about, maybe e)'s f)'s etc   .

As for whats best for what, there are so many crystals out there, I couldn't possibly hope to answer that in this post. There are good books listing it all tho, and a lot of good websites out there.

There must be some members living within few hours driving distance from his address, which is published.

Published where? We would love to, but unfortunately his address is not easy to pin down

personally I love deviantart.com  

Kaz, just use trillian, it is soooo much better!!

Rob

Should anyone have any luck contacting him in any environment it is critical that that he be informed to check his e-mails, and msgs on this site. There are ways of helping that I doubt he knows of or has considered but are far more effective than most mainstream methods. Rife machines and etc.

Thankyou

Rob

Well, if I were to reply to you, I would indicate that this may be an imprecise method of data gathering, and I would go on to ask who, if anyone, has tried to verify the information given therein? I have yet to see any information that has claimed to come from an extraterrestrial source which has impressed me as accurate or enlightening.

Rob

Jonesy: You seem like a pretty up to date guy. Can I ask where the info you mention on bumble bee vortex came from, and if it was published? (ha! hopeful I know). Sounds absolutely fascinating. I wonder, what is the substance that is caused to flow in a vortex beneath the bee? Could is possibly be related to the aether of old physics? I cant imagine how the actual air under the bee could vortex, although could possibly visualise a sort of resonating wave effect where it is their combined vibrations that move in a spiralling vortex action, which would be quite amazing and understandeably require a long time to develop for mathematics for!!
Interesting to note how often the concept of vortices are mentioned with respect to AG machines. Also to mention podlekenov again, his spinning superconducting disks may set up a similar effect. They also utilise high speed resonating electromagnetic effects -so perhaps the superconductor pertially entrains the particles above it, which are then set into vibrating resonance by the changing fields? Just a thought
Also searl effect generator uses spinning magnets and etc. And biefeld brown effect causes anomalous specific frequencies of vibration near it. All these things may relate. So perhaps the key involves causing particles to resonate together, eg acoustically or by entangling them, in a vortex fashion?

Intruiging  :thumbsup:

Rob

Hmm, Indigo thing makes sense on a number of levels. This is a shift in ages we are moving through, and chances are its gonna get messy (infact, already is), and chances are the higher evolved spiritual beings above us know that. So doesn't it make sense that you would see more evolved souls being thrown into the mix, to try and lend a hand? All people are different, and higher evolved souls have been incarnating through history, perhaps just the numbers are going up for this time period.
I cant remember where I heard/read this (tho I do remember the background was vedic), but someone was saying that there are souls who will only incarnate at a the shift points - people who have the potential to make big changes, good or bad. Personally, I know there are peple here, now, who have not incarnated for many thousands of years, but chose to for this time period.
Similar way of looking at it if you dont like the pisces-aqarius ages thing, is that this is without question the most interesting and pivotal time in the last few thousand (5-12k) years of human hstory, so one would expect some sort of difference in the number of evolved incarnations (boddhisattva types, for instance). The point is they are coming here to help, not hinder, and what makes them different is on a soul level more than a physical level (the fear they might group and become elitist is IMO just that, a fear - although some people might look down on others cos they think they are indigo, IMO that just indicates thats not what they are   ).
Many people also think the indigo thing is linked to the UFO phenomenon and the continual alterning of human DNA by alien races, which would also make sense on some levels. The intellectual concenqueces of this cannot be used as a valid argument against the theory, however....(poke-poke-James!)

Or perhaps its all a big pile of .....  :p, but I dont think so!

Hey listen to this interview
http://interface.audiovideoweb.com/lnk/ca25win25003/archives_2004/MOM20050901.wma/play.asx

from bottom of page at:
http://www.mysteriesofthemind.com/Archives/2005/archives200509.htm

(cliff web-bot is a frakking incredible guy too)
I dont think the person Ann Andrews is talking about can be classed as your usual "indigo", but it still lends to some of my points (that bit starts at 30mins in)

Rob

Hi folks,

Good to see this topic discussed! Thought I would add that FE devices have recently ALREADY ARRIVED on market...    

There is an interview with LuTec, the inventors, at www.yowusa.com, where they spell out some of the details. Currently they seem to be only selling expensive proof of concept generators, not sure the output, but its fricking significant anyway. Yes I fully agree with some of the predictions here - with the advent of the internet and such a high degree of info transfer, FE devices are simply a matter of time. I also agree that this will cause a degree of economic disruption and change on the scale of the industrial revolution, not just because of the immediate effects of the technology on the market, but also because FE should open up the door to a number of other fantastic technologies. For instance, Rife machines should some in with 15 years of FE. Combined, this will mean the almost total removal of two of the three biggest world markets - medicine (drugs) and oil. Frankly, its plain impossible to tell what effect this will really have. Other techs that should come in the wake (or in parellel) are antigrav and quantum (entangled)  computing....IMO

Btw these devices should not cool down the local atmosphere. I can understand how one might initially think this to be the case, since the zero-point field is often described as the "quantum jiggle" - ie atomic scale vibrations which can be reduced and tapped for power. Basically trying to order and extract from quantum thermal noise. This point of view has 3 main problems I can think of:

1. I hate laws but there are many things which are true within the bounds of certain given systems. The 2nd law of thermodynamics is generally held as a biggie    and without invoking other laws or systems, simply extracting energy from thermal noise is impossible (to extract you need a system with 2 distinct energy levels).

2. The "zero point field" is actually the cause of quantum jiggle - that is, the jiggle is not the field, but an effect of the field. This can be shown to be true simply by considering where the name "zero-point" came from - when matter is reduced in temperature to extremely close to absolute zero (0K), the matter continues to give off radiation. Energy recieved from the ZPF which then drives atomic vibrations when then give off the observed EM radiation.

3. Adding various 2 and 2's together I have come to the conclusion that the source of over-unity energies is entangled (ie non-local) energy transfers. Read Moray B Kings most recent book on over-unity and also Collective Electrodynamics by Mead if you want to see where I am coming from here. So the energy recieved is not coming from the immediate environment but a sort of collective energy pool shared by various sources vibrating at the same rate all over the universe. Maybe   . IMO consciousness is a bit like this - a non-local entangled stream of cohesive vibration (mmm big words...mmm....(drools on keyboard in homer-esque fashion)   )

Rob

so In order to overcome gravity you must first overcome gods determination to keep you on the floor

hmm...lol OK:
since satan is "adversity", he works against Gods will. If it is Gods will we all stay with our feet on the ground, then all flying machines are the work of the Devil, and anti-gravity is his crowning achievement    
Rob

ps weak/strong will always be subjective terms but when compared against other forces, per atom say, then gravity is almost unnoticeably weak.

Uch! Yeah too true. There are so many things like that which get my goat. Pen and Teller for instance, some people find it hilarious when they befuddle people from fringe groups into saying something stupid, personally I think people like them, Randi and others, and probably being paid with the specific purpose in mind of discrediting dangerous subjects. Hired intellectual bullies and sheep-herders....grrr.

Yeah disclosure project was pretty impressive! Are they still taking that forward? I would be interested to hear if Greer got anywhere with his hunt for over-unity generators. Must take a look.

Rob

Hmm, interesting.

"It is not a normal hurricane, and it cannot have done what it did with the currents moving globally as they were. It was 100% man-made"

Please go further into this for me - I am pretty hip on weather manipulation techniques and HAARP stuff, so we should be able to converse on a reasonable level about this. I have heard that Katrina made a 90deg turn before hitting mainland, is this what you are referring to? PM me if you prefer - we are somewhat "off topic" here.


Rob

Yes, but a few ignorant peasants thinking the world is going to come to an end cannot be used as evidence against that the earth changes that are going on today as being entirely in peoples own heads...like the boy who cried wolf, perhaps. Yes, people have thought that the stuff of revelations is about to come true since soon after Jesus. If I remember correctly, an Judaic army was totally wiped out by the romans after they decided it was end times time, and that God would be on their side, so they would of course win. Bad call. Another example, someone on the old astral research forums told me about some of their friends who thought the world was going to end in the 70's and started breeding giant rabbits to help get them through. Must've felt a bit silly afterwards, but at least they had the option of making a new fur coat   .

Similarly, the psychological reasons you mention, just because a lot of people have a death wish on society, themselves, or have watched too many films, does not mean that everyone who observes earth changes can be fitted to this category. In exactly the same way, I could say that your arguments are based upon rationalisations aimed at securing your belief that the world is not going to significantly change, because you are happy with the comfort zone you currently inhabit and are uncomfortable with the idea it might all be blown away in the near future. Ultimately though, this just shifts the emphasis away from the core issues to secondary points, although I will admit the desires you mentional must play some part in the popularity of "end times" stuff.
btw the same techniques are used by scientists to combat theories they dont like - attack the people not the theory, that way you can neatly sidestep all the facts you like!

IMO, we need to look at the evidence, and we then need to verify that evidence to make sure it didnt originate from someone like hoagland!
I mean, sure, nothing could happen. Science could fix all our environmental and energy problems, politicians could suddenly let go of their vested interests and the military/industrial complex stop being so damn evil, the weather could clear up and global warming vanish. I just see the alternatives as more likely options... and remember that when the roman empire fell, they didn't have thousands of nukes lying around.. It appears that in Atlantean times they faced a similar situation, which is perhaps why there are radioactive cities buried all over india....("Vimana" book edited by Childress for more info (highly recommend!! Pretty badly written in places but still mindblowing)

Rob

hhmmmm....

PS As for the rate of disasters 'increasing', such a statement is highly dubious. These events have always occured around the world. What HAS changed is our ability to report on them and to spot them. Even within the last few decades we have increased our reportage of them; the events themselves have not increased by any great degree. People who say this are basing their statistics on earlier periods, even a few decades ago, when the very statistics themselves were not as accurate as they are now.

Well Doug, I cannot agree with this. To the best of my knowledge, the number of natural disasters really is increasing by significant proportions. Like over in the US the yearly tornado record keeps going up. Earthquake activity does also appear to be on the up. And, the global warming thing, we are getting totally baked down here - like most the warmest years on record have been in the last 5-10 years (records which stand for hundreds of years). Further, the gulf stream is slowing down, el nino, desertification, etc.

If we now expand our scope of weird things, the sun never reached it solar minumum (should have been reducing after 1999) but carried on increasing in activity (I haven't been following too close for the last year but think this is still the case). It is now mainstream that our planets magnetic poles are starting to flip (in which case there may be a period with reduced shielding, which would not be good). And I have heard that other planets in our solar system have flipped matgnetically relatively recent, although I cannot confirm this.
From a technological perspective, we are on the cusp on some seriously powerful technologies that have the potential to either free or kill us all. IMO.
I wont go deep into the social stats, the fact that so many prophesies end or are claimed to apply about now (yes including nostradamus - whats important is not the exact date but that many bunch together into roughly the same period, eg mayan (close to vedic timelines too I think) and native american), the chemtrail problem, the military corruption and weapons issues (HAARP...scary), the absolute rape and destruction of our environment, the continual rise in corporate power and the now farcical nature of democracy, social trends, etc etc.

Interesting times....

Rob

Thanks for the update I will have to have a listen.
I have been listening to coast for quite a few years now, and hoagland is a complete fraud IMO, along with numerous other guests. Dont throw the baby out wit the bath water though, manufacturing weather is something many governments can do. Hell, even I can do it in some basic ways.
Slightly moot right now thought admittedly.
Rob

Lool!! Good point. I will see if I can do anything about it  

Rob

oops typo "golden vortex" I meant...
np, enjoy them! I am SURE you will enjoy the above by nick nelson - its such a generally intriguing book. After my own heart, definately!

There are supposed to be a number of layers of grid systems around the planet. There are also a number of different ways of modelling it all. The book "The Golden Vortes" by aahh Nick Nelson is MAD - very cool, great read and exceedingly interesting. Has some stuff about earth grids and his experiences with the, their geometry, movements, etc. The book "anti-gravity and the world grid" also has some slightly more standard stuff in it, by a numbre of authors although it says "david hatcher childress" on the spine  
Sorry I cant help more, I have never had any (too) compelling reasons to look into it.

Hi

..nice post...interesting...

Right now, I'm not even sure anymore that it's necessary to know or understand how it all fits together. The fact that it does, that it works, that I'm here experiencing it and that I know through personal experience that there is more than this short physical life, is becoming enough for me.

Well, each to their own. I do find it necessary to understand as much as possible, and, though I dont take the normal route, I do hope to apply understanding of the world to make it a better place! But I mean, we could feed the millions and do all that already, the problem there is the system we live in, and IMO the iron grip the corporate and money affairs have on the world. But I'm not going to go into a rant about that :p "war is a racket" lays it down pretty well tho (amazon).

Anyway, the way I see it I'm happy that there is diversity in the world - we can all work at the problems from different angles.



Rob

Modern medicine for the most part considers all emotions to be entirely chemically based. I do not agree, but hey, fact is they are all controlleable by consciousness. A lot of people use positive memories, or something to feel good about, to control emotions. You can also simply switch them on and off if you try. This, to medicine, would therefore constitute a release of chemicals.

Emotions can also take a lead from you body language and facial expression ..
- like moth said, just smile!

Rob

Well sorry to qualify what I said, I've had enough experience with negs to know they aint nice. But allowing them to scare you from AP is, basically, giving in to them. And I strongly suspect they will not decide to slam you as a major target. Your friend is more of an exception, I believe, than the rule. IF you have troubles, then thats when you take action, otherwise dont fret! If you are really concerned, sleep and project over running water, I know it helps with dark entity problems, I got a mate just starting it at the moment, and his night attacks are now not an issue. He wakes up, gives them the finger, then goes back to sleep. Thats life.
Rob

IMO this guy is trying to freak you out. Ignore him. If you ever actually have any problems, this forums will always be here. But I strongly suspect you never will. You're fine, just go your merry way and carry on APing!
and check your PM's I've given you a new password on your old account....
Rob

Yeah similarly some other big top dog dude I heard of calculated the probability of there being intelligent life out there, and the answer he came up with was "1" (ie 100% certainty). IMO its a bit of a no-brainer when you consider how many stars there really are out there - I mean, we prove intelligent life exists (weeeell, intelligent enough to realise we are intelligent enough to....etc!). The universe is big enough that it may, for all we know, be infinite. Therefore there is more life as evolved as we are out there, point fact! And thus there is no reason they wouldn't visit our planet (especially given the speed of our technological advancement). Thus, UFO's are an extreme probability. Just talking theoretically, but it matches the evidence. How I see it anyway

Rob