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Hi Conn )

First of all, maybe it is 'just a phase' a part of Life's ebbs and tides.... I find this kinda stuff is cyclical for me, so perhaps it might be for you. Maybe things are happening in the background, utilising energy for that leaving little for OBE.

May I suggest trying out CIR on the distress issue that you aren't having intense/noticeable energy sensations? Maybe look at it through the belief system cleanse too, to remove any "negative imprinting" around it and energy work. (Just an idea, mate! Take it or leave it!)

I don't think you can do too much energy work unless you are working with primaries.

Maybe you need to work on secondaries a bit more -- as you stated primaries and then OBE decreased.... so it might help to focus on secondaries for a while. It doesn't sound or seem as "impressive" but the secondaires work with primaries (indirectly) and you might find it will kickstart things for you again.

Discomfort moving energy in trance -- it might be a blockage. Try rapido in those uncomfortable areas. Alternatively, work around them, like the barriers on either side of a dam.... work down the resistance that way.

My perspective, derived from my training as a bodyworker and years of exploring this issue, is that the body (energy or physical) is like an onion, you peel down through the layers and each one is different. So I wouldn't say you have an unstable energy body per se, but rather, it is part of the natural process of going through the layers!

Another thing, energy breathing might be just the thing for keeping your energy levels up to par -- in light of you feeling exhausted in the mornings and reduction of OBE's, lessened dream recall, trance issues, etc. (And maybe something is different in your life perhaps impacting on all this, a change of routine/location/events..... The external world can impact on these things and there are loads of things you could try from essences to patience!)

Well I hope that helps somewhat. It might also help to do a spiritual exercise, the belief system cleanse, on the subject of trance and energy work. I did pick up some little seeds of self-doubt there with a need to know (causes).... working on your belief systems might also help shift some blockages there which have risen up as you work in these 'metaphysical' areas.

Cheers
Donni



'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

Howdy howdy howdy

I agree with Tia and Mark -- combination of all!

I used to do the Microcosmic Orbit many years ago -- this is Mantak Chia, yes? I had no problems with it, although I have had lingering problems with Kundalini spikes that would have me in pain, arching my back, since those days. I can't say whether the orbits were the cause, I don't think so as I used to get them, to a lesser degree, in my teens. Actually, certain sounds or my (physical) body being touched certain ways (even hairdressing) would trigger it too. This has been an issue for almost 15 years for me.

I much prefer NEW to Chia's work, although his "Inner Smile" is wonderful!

Also, combining NEW with a biocircuit.... woo wee!!!!!

I have been doing NEW -- sporadically and in dedication -- for maybe 4 - 5 years now and I can say the K spikes have reduced significantly! I still get them, but I believe NEW has adjusted my energy body it doesn't go into overdrive.

I can also say that with practice with NEW, you can "run" a circuit in the back of your mind, whilst focusing on other things -- sorta like watching telly while you sew. I think your energu body is constantly in a state of flux -- like breathing and blood flow, etc -- awareness just accentuates the sensations, and through focus, "strengthens" or "feeds" them -- a boost, I guess.

OK my toddler needs me... well, she just likes to be in control and Mum has been at the pc waay too long, according to her!

Have fun..... enjoying this new forum, I am LOL

Cheers
Donni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/

G'day Mark

I think Awareness Hands are our energy counterparts of the physical. Using AH is learning how to use/be in the energy body, and so has the added bonus of acclimatising our minds to using our non-physical bodies. Just my theory on it, anyway!

I have experienced what you refer to, with AH going over primary centres.... I think (for me) it is my awareness of the energy and it's impact on my AH. It can also have the reverse affect in that my AH will impact on the energy centre.

One of the alternatives to awareness hands I use, is dressing myself in 'light' clothes..... like pulling on socks, up the legs.... and allowing it to tingle/soak in to my bones. My awareness hands are still in operation, and my fous is shifted.

I have yet to have a fully-conscious OBE (although I have had several spontanneous ones, and semi-lucid ones) so for me, using my AH is training for the ultimate outta body LOL But sometimes my NEW focus is more on energy sensations, than manipulating them.

Great to read your posts Mark!

Cheers
:)onni

'"Dreams are true while they last, and do we not live in dreams?" In answer to Tennyson, I pose this question: truth lasts while there are dreams, and do we not dream in truth? ' from my whacky novel, "LUST"  http://dreamingspace.homestead.com/