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Hey thank you both very much for your interpretations!

Souljah333:

I felt that you hit the nail numerous of times! I guess that the part of feeling appreciated is very true.

can take or leave the position of power and settle more towards being appreciated

I like to feel appreciated, who don't?

creative thinker, with a tendency for over-indulgence and comfort. leaning towards passive. at times self-defeating where you will give up something for your own personal pleasure to satisfy others.

I guess that I like to satisfy others. Even though that sounds kinda weak but I think it is true.

have difficulty motivating yourself (duh  ) as well as others

gee, that is correct how did you know that ?

very independent soul. moving through the ranks of life is not your style, but more making friends and influencing others subtly

yeah I guess that the ranks of life is something I am trying to avoid. I am at least not trying to climb the ladder of society blindly!!

not highly active physically, more methodical in function

definitely correct. I don't know why. But I have always sucked in sports and other physical activities. And the one thing I have despised the most is running hence that is the thing I am trying do now in order to defy that irritating truth!

idle time leading to idle thoughts/actions

also correct (if i understand it right) when I am "moving" I tend to move even more and get even more things done despite of all odds. But when I am alone with all the free time in the world, I do nothing. Even though I would like to. I have yet to find what wicked thing is causing that.

don't see much travel (more when you were younger)(maybe?!?) though tend to have an interest in enchanted, ancient, exotic places...not just the everyday "holiday inn" escape. (would rather rough it for an adventure in the off-road places, then settle for poolside drinks and room service)

Right again. I am more interested in exploring and experiencing than lying down doing nothing. Even though lying down doing nothing is what I usually end up doing.

you follow your heart more than your head, and invest more in your feelings, then in what the past has shown to be true. difficulty focusing on mental pursuits...much more inspired by beauty, wisdom and grace.

I guess you can say I am a bit sensitive to what I see here now and that I am distracted by that. I find it difficult to focus on one thing entirely. My attention is easily disturbed. Perhaps that is why I cannot AP – I am too unfocused as my focus is on one of the million of thoughts passing through my head when it is quite.

fate crosses thru your head line showing that you have a natural ability to move easily through business dealings, and be drawn into business deals without much energy (being seen as honest, trust worthy & responsible) however this can also lead you astray from the things you honor most in your life...if your need for money outbalances our heart...plus a tendency to be taken advantage of in the long run since you will "appear" naive to the big sharks. you have a consistently lucky personality, but no huge winfalls...which on the flips side means no huge downfalls as well. not incredibly intuitive, but rely more on what people tell you to make your judgments, and tend to be influenced by others...and sometimes led astray if not focused on more important work.

I have never tried being involved in "huge deals" so I cannot comment on that – perhaps many years from now. And I really do not think that money has such great effect on me. At least I do not find myself greedy or anything connected to that. That I am sure of!
I do find myself being taken advantage of some times. And I notice it as well. I am not unaware of it (luckily). I guess I have a very untrusting nature. And yes I rely much on what others tell me. And yet again it annoys me greatly. I find myself incapable of making decisions that I truly trust and therefore I do not seem very confident. On the other hand I do not either fully trust the decisions others make but as long as they take responsibility for their actions I follow them.

I must say it is a fine piece of hand reading you have done there! I am truly amazed!!! Thank you for that.

Manix:

Your head line reflects your mental abilities. Yours however, has a huge break in it

that made laugh quite a bit my mental line is broken. Yehaa!! I knew it! I guess that is why I am feeling dumber and dumber... but seriously that crack has not always been there.
I can't remember when it changed. Perhaps when I was 15-16-17. Around there I guess. Perhaps it was when I first read about astral projection. That opened my mind a lot!! It might be that. Or.... It might have been my general approach to problems that had changed. When I started high school, I had great hopes because in my old school I was one of the best in my class. But that all changed in high school as I realized that I was no longer the best at anything. No matter what somebody would outdo me in whatever we were doing. So in order to protect myself from all the failures I developed a new way of thinking. Or not thinking you might say. I gave up trying to be the best and that might be the crack. I simply lowered my ambitions so I wouldn't be hurt when I failed. I guess it worked. I "numbed" my mind. Well. There is some more to that but let me move on.

The Life Line reflects your pyhsical well being. Yours comes well across your hand suggesting your an energetic person who loves life. Your life line is deep, clear, and free of any breaks meaning you've enjoyed a reasonably healthy life without any serious illness or depression.

I have never had any serious health problems. That is right! But I do feel very down sometimes but I don't know if that counts as depression? And well I would not say that I LOVE life. It has given me both good and bad times. I find life interesting so to say.

Thank you for your interpretation as well. That crack there meant much to me. More than I firstly realized I am going to give that some more thought.


It amazed me that so much info can be found in just a few lines and curves. I wonder if that crack in my hand occurred and then I changed. Or if I changed first and then the line came. I definitely come to think of destiny when I read this. It is all written in the hand. Who you are. What you feel and so. It is a little scary!

i would very much like to read your palms. it's a great idea. i was thinking of doing some phone sex for extra cash, but i'd much rather have people e-mail their palm pics to me and give them a reading instead. Wink

Souljah, in the long time it took for me to write a reply, you wrote YOUR reply, i guess i better improve my forum writing skills if i am to keep up with the phase here!!

i didn't now you did hand reading, that is very interesting indeed. if it is not all some sort of clever trick i think it is amazing that bits and pieces about who we are, are printed in our palm. that like the barcode for supermarked goods

good luck with that phonesex line!

Hehe I have always had those white spots. It looks like some creepy thing under the skin.

I read some of that link you send nay, thank you. And then LOL am I missing some lines here or what ? I thought only heavily retarded people where missing lines (the time it takes for me to get it.........) bugger!

i were almost about to go and scan my palm and send it to them. But then I noticed the credit card info section..... sigh.

Well I guess that some of you hippies most know how to read palms hehe

Keep posting

[Right hand]

Hi there. I have always wanted to have my hands read. But I never knew where to go. So I guess I will try here.
If anyone is interested then click the links below

Right hand: http://img7.echo.cx/img7/2254/cimg16736sb.jpg
Left hand: http://img7.echo.cx/img7/8824/cimg16752hn.jpg

Right hand closeup: http://img177.echo.cx/img177/3549/cimg16868pz.jpg
Left hand closeup: http://img187.echo.cx/img187/9892/cimg16870gm.jpg

Well go ahead. Tell me what you see  

ps. I am right handed.

Hey thanks for your advises. I think that I actually might try starving myself after the exams – the results could be rather interesting I guess because what is the worst thing that can happen? Ok I die so what – I probably will get reincarnated again. Perhaps I died in my last life because of a wicked faste hehe

And omg.. LOL

my little Æbleskiver

I think I might die of laughter the next time somebody writes something like that but I must say that I am impressed that you actually found time to search for a Danish word.... And sperm bank news I didn't even know off. What we Danes do in our spare time huh? DON'T GOOGLE DENMARK!! You might not like what you see I actually don't know what the English word for "æbleskive" is. I don't even know if that kind of food exits anywhere ells than in Denmark. And btw. ÆbleskiveR is the pluralis form of one æbleskive

And to the amounts of food eaten in Denmark... I think we are the 2nd fattest nation in the world so we eat a lot. Pork is very popular in Denmark – along with any other kind of meat I guess. The national dish (if that is what it is called) is "Brown gravy with potatoes" and of course frikadeller or "Danish meatballs" and it doesn't really taste of much. Not like Mexican food at least. It is something that makes you wanna go into a coma after you have eaten it as the body directs all the blood to the stomach in order to digest all those "frikadeller". I guess that is why I am so unclear in my head because I am digesting frikadeller all the time. My god!  

And hey. To return a little to the subject. Yesterday I thought of the one thing that I in no way HAD to do on a Saturday. And that was to get up at six O'clock and take a run! (now you take a moment to get your pulse down after that extreme idea that must have shattered your belief in normality ) well I did actually get up at 6 am. And I did put on my "jogging clothes" and I did run about 2 meters outside my door only to find myself extremely wet from all the rain that was pouring down from above with the intensity of a thousand waterfalls (ok I exaggerated but I DID get wet....) so I went back inside fell asleep again.

But that was not the end....

When I got up again I around 11.30 am I (once again) put on my jogging clothes and I ran the 4 kilometres I wanted to. But the weather was hot and the rain that had fallen was vaporising so it was very humid and I thought that I was going to choke on the air as I was nearing my house again. But I completed the run and I was very proud of myself.
Nobody told me to run and if I didn't run nothing would happen to me. So I guess I have defied myself. Defied the ways that have always controlled me. I am actually able to do something without the motivation of others. It can be done!!
I think the way to do it is to shut off your mind the moment you have thought of something you want to do otherwise your mind will work against you and convince of all the reasons NOT to do what you want. I will work on my theory, as it is far from logical. But I guess this was the first important step then. Hooray for me

Hey thanks for that link. I quickly read through some it. people are really into this fastening business

The only time I have "fasted" was when I had hangovers that were so severe that I would puke if I just drank some water. I didn't eat the entire day!! I remember that I felt extremely slow..... But it was nice. Perhaps if I fasted without the hangovers it would be a better experience?

So what recipe did you use? And was that syrup lemonade drink thingy all that you consumed? And what about after you finished fastening, did you not put on lot weight? I easily get fat so I am watching whatever I eat... or let me rephrase.... I feel very guilty when eating fatty foods Nevertheless I have lost about 2 kilos so I am down to 98 kilos. I don't want to have 3 ciphers on my weight anymore hehe

So does this result in anything ells than just you feeling better or will you actually be better at hmmm..... your life I suppose afterwards? I could certainly use a clearer and more focused mind. Perhaps if I starved my mind by watching the paint peel off my wall it would evolve

And hey I am from Denmark so your oz's and pounds will be lost on me. I do liters and milliliters and kilos and grams.  

I found this on the website:  

keep seeing all these different figures for making the lemonade in bulk and I have no idea where folks are getting their figures from or if maybe they're just very bad at math ;+D. Below is the "correct" amounts for making bulk quantities of the lemonade.

To make 30 oz or approx 1 quart (32 oz) 3 drinks

24 oz water

3oz lemon Juice

3oz maple syrup

3/10ths tsp cayenne


For 60 oz approx half gallon(64oz) - 6 drinks - Multiply quart recipie x2

For 120 oz approx 1 gallon (128 oz) = 12 drinks - Multiply quart recipie x4

Is that the one or do you have a better one?

and then i also found this (play the "Darth Vader" music):

Stage 5 (Breaking the Fast)

Bla bla bla bla. This can cause an instant bowel movement upon eating followed by intense diarrhea(!!!!!). If the symptoms are too uncomfortable, an enema will help

http://curezone.com/forums/m.asp?f=479&i=36

I must say it sounds amazing!! I almost want to do it know. Just to see what it is like!!!

I hear better, see better, think clearer, etc. like all the senses are rejuvenated. the world becomes beautiful, like a grimy veil has been lifted

For me it sounds like that you are high or something when you are fastening hehe. But I guess you are not. I would love to read those articles about it. I have a little trouble in believing fastening to be good.

What exactly does fastening involve? I understand that you are allowed to drink stuff. But what then when I put my high fat steak in the blender and mix it with my 1.5 liter Coca Cola ? sorry - I just had to write that
But I would like to know some more about you detox menu. What you can and cannot eat/drink.

i refuse to believe that your body becomes more energized. are you not extremely slow and tired when you are fastening? or are you somehow defying the laws of the physical?
When I want to think clear I drink a lot of Coke. It makes me think clearer move faster and it makes my tiredness go away.

there's that article on that scientist (of late) that hasn't eaten anything in four years, and claims to live off of sunlight. there was another article on a guru guy in india that lives in some cave, and claims to have not eaten or drank anything in something like ten years (but I can't find either of the links) Confused

Hehe that is just great then I saw the recipe on eternal life somewhere here, but I have ALSO lost that link - oh bugger

But I would actually like to feel how it is like to have ones body detoxed and if fastening is so wonderful then perhaps I will try it. Not while I have the exams but perhaps in my summer vacation.

Well I can tell you that writing this takes a lot of will power to do. For some unknown reason my head feels like somebody have taken out my brain and bashed it with a bat filled with rusty nails... well I guess everybody feels like that some times Smile

Anyway.....

have you ever fasted? That could be something you do that doesn't involve doing anything. Wink but it does utilize will. Will to do nothing.

Well I am positive that I will have no reason what so ever to fast. I actually cannot find anything that would motivate me into starving myself... except that you recommended it (damn you!!) Wink

But I wonder if it is what I am looking for. Fasting means doing nothing - staying passive. For some reason I come to think of it as being a step closer to death as starving yourself will at some point make you die - death must be the ultimate will test then - "do you have the will not to live??" oh that would be the extreme and - as far as I can see right now - undesirable outcome hehe.

Would it be wrong of me to think of "doing something/creating something without a reason" to be somewhat of a godly act? Lets say that there was no physical matter to begin with. Then why would somebody/something create it if one was not forced to. One would make physical matter for no reason. That is pretty interesting I guess.

And to the thing about Buddhism. I do not agree with the philosophy. What would the point of not wanting anything be? Of removing all the symptoms of being a feeling human being? I cannot help but to see that as some sort of death imitation. And I cannot see the idea in that as we are all going to die some time and then there will be nothing to desire. And if we were not meant to desire... why are we here then? To learn to be closer to (physical) death?

I find that the times that I feel most alive is when I want something - even though it is external motivation that drives me to desire.

Wow.... am I just afraid of dying then? Is that my problem? Am I afraid of letting go of the "pleasures" that this world has to offer like desire? Then I guess I have fallen to the "dark side" (yes you guessed it, I have just watched the new Star Wars movie Smile)

Any thoughts on my thoughts?

Edit: seems astral pulse was down right after I "re-posted" my thread. that kind of stopped me from posting my RE-ply... but better late than never. Wrote this yesterday and btw. my head feels much better today

I also think of these few as some sort of storm. though this storm seemed to have it humours sides as well. I at least laughed my *ss off reading that book recommendation post. I guess that we are all human after all - and that is nice to know. At least it was entertaining

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:05 pm    Post subject:  How to do something without a reason?    Reply with quote Edit/Delete this post
Sometimes I reflect on things that I have accomplished. I read through some of the essays I have written I school and I think for my self "hmm, you have got good point in that essay - bravo".

I also remember the times in gym where I have totally over performed in terms of strength and endurance and once again I think "hey you did very well"

But now as I think about it. I am pretty sure that it was not me who did it. But the expectation of others - the fear of failure that pushed me through - like I was only a lifeless cadaver a sort an excuse for the actions of others.

That thought did not please me. so I wanted to see I would be able to do something totally without motivation -totally without pressure from others - something that I in no way HAD to do.


Firstly I noticed that it is actually really hard to find something you can do that has no meaning at all. Mysteriously I could always find some sort of meaning in the actions I intended to do.
I thought about exercise. That is something I have NEVER been into. The only times have been in school where I was forced to run in order not to fall behind of the others - the group mentality I guess. But as I prepared to run I found that I simply could not drag my body outside. I was greatly shocked to find that I lacked such a huge amount of will that I was unable to run.

A couple of days later I thought that I wanted to read in my biology book from last year - I did not have that class anymore so I did not HAVE TO read it. I started reading but I gave up as the text was getting pretty advanced and I was unable to understand it. Normally I would have forced myself to read it more thoroughly but now as I had no need to - I didn't.

I attempted to do other "things" without any outside motivation except the one in my self. And the results where as above - either I could not do it or I would do it very sloppily.

I was wondering if this applies to other people? (yes you can wake up now hehe)
How do we motivate ourselves without anybody's help?
Or is this perhaps something that I just have to accept. Topics that I do not find interesting (natural motivation?) are not meant to be understood by me? Is this what happens when you try to move away from your destiny?

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PostPosted: Tue May 17, 2005 11:27 pm    Post subject:  Re: How to do something without a reason?    Reply with quote
Seeker of Matter wrote:
(yes you can wake up now hehe)

Doh, I was just about to go to sleep Shocked

First of all, when you go to school you are not deciding what to do yourself, you're told what to do.

If you consider what you're told to do to be important (as usually is the case about school), then it's fairly easy to get motivated enough.

If you decide for yourself that "I should exercise", or "I should read a bit in this book", then you're not specific enough and you don't actually give yourself a reason to do it.

If you want to really accomplish something, set goals for yourself and follow those goals. In the beginning it might be very difficult, but if you don't set unrealistic or simply boring and stupid goals it should be doable.

This has nothing to do with moving away from your destiny, in fact I'd rather say that it's probably part of your destiny to learn to do things without people telling you to do it. You'll have to learn it sooner or later anyway Wink
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PostPosted: Yesterday at 8:05 am    Post subject:      Reply with quote
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I was wondering if this applies to other people? (yes you can wake up now hehe)

No. How boring the world would be if everything we do we would do because of expectations of others and fear? I am creating a computer game not for money or to show how good at programming I am, but only for fun. I think that your problem is that you never learned to do things just because you want to, without external motivation. This is the problem schools are frequently creating, but can be fixed with a bit of strong will.
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PostPosted: Yesterday at 11:55 am    Post subject:      Reply with quote
CaCoDeMoN wrote:
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I was wondering if this applies to other people? (yes you can wake up now hehe)

No. How boring the world would be if everything we do we would do because of expectations of others and fear? I am creating a computer game not for money or to show how good at programming I am, but only for fun. I think that your problem is that you never learned to do things just because you want to, without external motivation. This is the problem schools are frequently creating, but can be fixed with a bit of strong will.


Yes that's true Smile
Many schools does not give the will to the kids or show them in any form how fun it can be to do thing just for the cause of fun. They simply tell them this is good for you we know that and no matter how boring it might seem.. If you hold on you will grow up and get a good job become rich and that's good. I may exaggerate a little but this is much of the case i think.
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PostPosted: Yesterday at 3:32 pm    Post subject: icon_impressed     Reply with quote
Dear Seeker: That might be the most profound and insightful thing I've ever read in this forum...YES I believe it is!!!

I was reading something not that long about "deprogramming" yourself. It was pretty basic...laugh when you're "suppose" to cry/cry when you're "suppose" to laugh, etc...till you hack in! I think you've tapped into something that is stellar, but most won't look at it. It's too close to screwing with their belief system, and who they "think" they are. People get freaked out when they realize they're nothing more than PUPPETS. Wink That's something that really turns me on about the "Viva La Bam" boys...that they do crazy excrement that's pointless. It's so refreshing! If I ever have kids...I want them to be just like that! It's amazing to me how truly unmotivated I am in my own company...I think it has something to do with taking a breather from all the BS. It's bizarre how different my function becomes when I'm alone, and then someone enters the room.
Do you ever feel like you're on television? Like some kind of residue from that "expectation" thing?!? How you can motivate yourself by pretending that you're in others company???
I catch myself doing that all the time, and it's spooky.

Let me know of your progress...oh Wise One (seriously)
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Do you ever feel like you're on television? Like some kind of residue from that "expectation" thing?!? How you can motivate yourself by pretending that you're in others company???
I catch myself doing that all the time, and it's spooky.

Yes. Maybe living motivated only by your own expectations is the true way to happiness? Once I've started meditating on who I was and I found out that I don't really want to be computer programmer, nearly all my goals changed too. And I am much happier with who I am now. The change was even more drastic in my friend, he thought that he wants to be computer programmer too, but discovered that he would not be happy with that job, and wants to write book reviews after he finishes his education.
Living to fulfill the ambitions of others is not funny at all.
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Hey thanks the replies, it is great to see the activity in here - gets the job done Wink

Okay - this will be my first try with the quotes so don't laugh!!

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This is the problem schools are frequently creating, but can be fixed with a bit of strong will.


I totally agree. a bit of strong will is all I need. but where are you supposed to find that will. I personally cannot make myself want something. as much as I try to focus on task and say for my self "I WANT TO DO THAT!!" it just does not light the spark.

I also think I am a bit confused of the concepts of will and desire. I remember as a young child when I desired something. a new toy or to go and see those great big aquariums with sharks that were fed and so on. I can remember how I felt - and it was a very strong feeling - I really wanted to have/do those things. but it is as if I have grown numb to the excitement as the years have passed and that is simply put annoying!

is will an induced desire then :S ? or is it something more pure, and is desire then impure? hmmm

I cannot stop having the thought about the afterlife - the life in the astral ( I have never AP'ed so I am only writing from what I have read) you are not supposed to have any sort of need there - not like in the physical like hunger and thirst. I wonder if I would just go and disappear like a blown out candle as I am unlikely to do anything I do not need to do. and if you do not have any needs in the astral.... I guess I am pretty f to the ucked...

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How you can motivate yourself by pretending that you're in others company???
I catch myself doing that all the time, and it's spooky.


I have sometimes done that. but I find it to be some sort of a hologram of the "evil" I am trying to escape in the first place.

But now as I think about it I guess that I would be rather powerful if I somehow was able stimulate myself into wanting something with the utmost intensity. I could accomplish much. But it is as if it is already programmed into me what I want and what I don't. is this like trying to fly without wings?

Why can I just not jump three times and say a magic word?
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PostPosted: Today at 12:52 am    Post subject: icon_fight     Reply with quote
apathy!
do you ever remember scream and crying and falling down in a fit of rage in any public place...just because you were so adamant on getting what you wanted?!? working it for all it was worth. i can't remember what that was like. where that passion went. there is something to older beliefs...Hinduism, Buddhism, etc...that see "desire" as something bad/weak. and will is very important for fighting this. have you ever fasted? that could be something you do that doesn't involve doing anything. Wink but it does utilize will. will to do nothing. i think that's where a lot of the mystic head of towards. i guess if you can first master doing nothing (or more appropriately NOT REACTING) then it might be easier to steer around the manipulation of expectations. (expectations are also something that Hindus and Buddhist let go of as the believe they do nothing but hinder performance) (a lot people think it's just about letting go of possession...but it's about letting go of everything).

GypsyWanderer mentioned something about Dennis Wier and his TRANCE research (i think he actually got in contact with him for a consultation, but the forum was shut down so i haven't heard about it yet).
You should definitely take a look at the site, because it talks about how we're all in a trance all the time, and how to break the zombie state. http://www.trance.edu/

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But now as I think about it I guess that I would be rather powerful if I somehow was able stimulate myself into wanting something with the utmost intensity. I could accomplish much.
WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS HIGH MAGIC! INTENTIONS! YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. YOU HAVE ALREADY OPENED YOUR MIND TO SOMETHING VERY POWERFUL. I'M NOT EVEN SURE IF YOU REALIZE WHAT PATH IT IS YOU'RE ON?!? IT TAKES A VERY CLEAR MIND TO CONSIDER THESE THINGS. IF YOU CAN STAY CLEAR, SIMPLE...FORCE YOUR WILL UPON YOURSELF...YOU COULD ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING YOU WISHED. FOCUS.
IT WOULD BE WELL WORTH IT!

and keep as posted per request
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Hey thank you all very much for your replies. It really helps to see what happens when you tell a story and other people look at it with their eyes and make you see things you did not notice before.
Scorpyn I really feel I can relate to what you wrote:

"The more you learn, the more you come to understand how little you really know"

it is kind of what I am feeling right now. I have this irritating voice in my head that tells me that this reality is simply to vast to comprehend and that is torturing me now when I DO seek to comprehend what I encounter.

Major Tom, thank you for your reply, I have seen your posts all around this forum and I am still amazed of the wisdom you possess. But I am still having my doubts about if I am even meant to explore other realities when I still have a great amount of unsolved riddles and things that annoy me here in the physical.
I fear that I might "loose" it one day in favor of the astral world - a world that as far as I can understand, you are actually able to create just by thinking of how you would like it to be. Then why are we here? Is it not to be faced with problems and overcome them? I feel that there are many many problems here on earth and many many things I need to understand before I may travel to another reality - with other problems.

I do not know if this is just me having these thoughts/doubts of the purpose of alternate reality explorations.

Very roughly said I think we should finish our business here on earth and only when that has happened should we explore new worlds - but that might again just be me who is having difficulties with coping with problems that it fills up my mind and make me have these opinions that only apply to me and nobody ells

And another question. Do you think that enlightenment has made you happier than before? And by happier I do not mean seeing the broader perspective - which I guess you do. But do you feel that inner happiness more than before or have you lives just become more burdened with the knowledge of how things really are?

I am sorry for all the blabber but there are just a lot of things in life that mystifies me and occupies my mind – at least at the moment.

And once again thank you all very much for you replies

Hi there, this is my first post in this forum. I have been doing a lot of reading here and I find this whole reality exploration very interesting - wow, there is a whole other world out there, or in here, or whatever term you want to use and people can travel to it by using different techniques.

I must admit that I feel a very great pressure at this very moment as I am writing this. Whatever I am going to write now can never have the same depths and perspectives of some of the other posts I have seen here. I feel somehow as if I am a drunk stupid person invading a party where I simply do not belong.

With that being said I still have many questions that at least have some relevance towards me.

The one thing that has been bugging me all along is.... you. All you people in here. How come that you do not have so called "flame wars" and that you always write in very polite tones (at least you have done so in the posts I have written). You all seem so clear on everything about life. I personally have a great fear of having an opinion on how everything is where we are going and what our mission is and so on. I am startled when I read that some of you actually think you know what life is all about. One of the statements that I get most upset about is where you say that we make up our own meaning with our own life. That we each have our very own path that we must follow. I get very upset because I have actually NO IDEA of what I am doing here and of where I am going and what my so called "goals" are.

Well, I usually turn to these forums when I feel bad about my self and my life hoping that I can then return with new "weapons" and beat the "monsters" in my life.
You all talk about this astral travel and many of you astral project. I have tried that for some time but I have never even tried having the vibrations. So I stopped and thought for a moment - why was I even doing this? Why was I trying to travel to a new world and then it hit me.... I was trying to escape this world because that I could not deal with the problems at hand.

That has made me think of if we are even meant to travel to this other (fantasy??)world when we are here on earth, nice and physical and all what that involves. This might be me being the odd one out, but I might have been reading about spirituality when I was meant to do other things like get in shape, or do my homework or hang out with my friends. This is what I mean by "escape" – at least that is what it seems like to me I just wanted to know if there are others here who might share my thoughts

Is the spirituality not the last step of our learning? Are we not supposed to learn everything we can here on earth about earth and how to be successful here about how we can sort to say "win" here?
According to much of the things I have read here we have an eternity to live in the astral planes. Why do we seek to learn everything about how to live in the astral planes and prepare for death when we are going to learn it anyway??

I am sorry I have made such a mess of a post but I felt that I had to start somewhere and i just feel so d*mn confused about everything

And hey I am Danish, so that excuses my lousy grammar