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Nope, emphasis on "OLD" in "older". shiver....

It makes sense that you appear feverish to others, but feel cold yourself. That's what any old fever feels like. You're like "Damn I'm freezing!" and your actual temp is way high. This is just a guess but maybe your core temp is lowering and flushing your skin with heat, also, with that much heat leaving your body without food to replenish it, you're bound to be cold. I'm just saying that I think it's real.  Ben

Hi Donni, it's good to see you on the forum. I think you're right with your hunch about developing my own guidance towards energy work. I fully admit that I wish that someone like RB was around me all the time to get my butt in gear. Without them, I tend to make big jumps, then sit on my butt for a while and slide back a bit. Oh well, I'm slowly making progress. Seeing your post has made me wonder where all the other original posters have gone. I can't even remember some of their names anymore. I can understand though, because there are times when I really don't have any desire to come here, I know I'm just going to see the same old questions and topics. But interest waxes and wanes regularly, and I always find myself back here. It's nice to have an outlet.  Ben

I think alot of good ideas have been tossed around and I'll try to not repeat them. I'm wondering that if seen from a higher perspective things like pain, murder, rape, etc.. are not "bad". The murder of a helpless babe, may have many spiritual ripples that go out into the world and effect it in a positive way. Ex. The person who did it may not repent during life, but may go to some sort of "hell" where they grow spiritually. A person who reads about it in the paper may decide to stop anything like that from happening again. The baby's spirit may have learned a valuable spiritual lesson. I just don't think we have the faculties to REALLY understand what's going on behing the scenes in our base level of consciousness. Perhaps during deep thought, meditation, or an epiphany we have a glimpse of what's going down. But I don't think we're supposed to know at the moment, we should just do the best we can with what we have. Either way, beyond good and evil is where the meaning is, we'll find out eventually. Oh yeah, read Talking to Nature and Journey into Nature, they have alot of good tidbits to see the world more positively.  Ben

Hey Inguma, thanks for responding. I still haven't gotten my Salvia from the Sage Wisdom shop on the internet, I got the plain old leaves from Mexico, so it might not have an effect at all, but I don't mind smoking a whole bunch to get the effect, I got a little Aqua Pipe thing, it's awesome, small and portable. I'm not going to smoke it until I go to my job at Angel Fire Ski resort in NM because there will be people there that could be my sitter, none here in Prescott. I don't want to do anything that isn't grown from the dirt, I feel that the plants and mushrooms that are psycoactive are that way for a reason, but lab stuff is just made by whoever without some higher purpose to it. They also have alot of BAD side effects, no thanks, they also just have a gross feeling in my mind when I think of them. You're right about the long term use, these plants may have been put here by whatever created all this for us humans to catch a glimpse of "something else",  to further our progress, but they sure aren't meant for us to focus solely on them and not real life.  Ben

Thanks, I have Astral Dynamics and I've read the more complete online tutorial, I'd just like to see what RB has in store in terms of suprises that are mentioned. Yeah, you're right about PPSD and the release dates mentioned and the actual date it came out.  He's a busy guy I guess, it would be so sweet if he released ten books all at once, I'd be in heaven.  Ben

Cool, I'm glad I didn't get any "Don't do drugs because they're stupid!" kind of response.  Blossom, I agree with you about control and of course no offense was taken, I'm not a frequent drug user myself, I only had pot when I was working at this ranch in Idaho during the summer, I'm just curious. James, that was a VERY good post, thank you very much for writing it. Here are my thoughts. I agree that the shamans are pretty much Harvard grads when it comes to psycoactive plant usage, they aren't playing around, they have experience doing what they do, and it's never just for fun. They are the example that all people who decide to do drugs should try to emulate. I also agree that you're doing yourself a disservice by taking the easy road. The only thing that still makes me want to do careful experimentation is this, when one has a mystical experience with drugs it's easier to get back there without them than to start from scratch.  You have a rough map to work with, at the very least you know what it feels like so you could just meditate on that feeling until you go back. I feel that for me personally, the mixed road of VERY CAREFUL and well researched experimentation and determined sober effort is a valuable one that feels right in my core. That's the real reason I wish to experiment, it feels "right", there's really nothing more to it for me.  Ben

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I just spent a month at a place called the Shambala Mountain Center, formally known as the Rocky Mountain Shambala Center. It was started by Chogyum Trungpa Rinpoche (sp?). It's sort of half tibetan buddism and half non-secular teachings of shambala. From what I heard of the buddhist teachings, I was impressed by them, though more so by the shambala ones. I'll not become a buddist for one reason. It didn't seem to live up to what it can be in real life. There were people there who have been hardcore buddists for a long time, they did all the seminaries and beyond, and had taken refuge vows at least 20 years ago. My observation of them was that some of them just weren't in the slightest bit friendly. Obviously alot of them were nice, but there were enough just plain grouchy/mean people there to make me shy away from buddism. Also, at this place, most of the volunteers (that's what I was) were quite friendly and open and non-buddist. It was the people who had been buddhist for a while that were the mean ones. Also, I think I heard while I was there that Chogyum died from years of being an alcoholic. Shambala felt nice, buddism kind of gave me the creeps while I there. But I can't generalize like that, I'm sure there are some wonderful people who are buddist and are the way they are because of it, just not so much where I was.  Ben

I liked the finacial one too, I guess the only way to get out of that is to let go of all your fear.  Ben

Maybe the projection attempts are loosening up blockages in your energy body, and the rushes you feel are big jolts of energy going through.  Ben

Mobius, here's the author's website   http://www.michaelroads.com . In case that didn't post correctly just do a search on michael roads.

Spastral, to get to the vibratory state I just lay down, relax for a while, and just sort of try to push myself out. I guess I just try to create a strong lifting feeling. It's hard to explain because I just DO it, you know? The pushing attempt just brings me to all of the sensations naturally, I don't try specifically to create vibrations, they come from the pushing.     Ben

That must be why the poll was always there, I never answered the poll until today, now it's gone.   Ben

I wanted to respond to this a long time ago but I couldn't post until now. I ride my bike to work and back everyday, it's about 3 miles each way. I LOVE it! I have car but I always ride unless it's raining really hard (I like rain but it's a grump to clean out my gears) or I'm just super tired. I love the focus that you get from riding and I love the feel of the wind and I love the feel of my muscles straining on a hill and I love the overall physical, mental, emotional, and dare I say spiritual benefits that I get from riding. I just love all of it. I spent about $250 on my bike and it's been worth at least 2 or 3 times that in just gas money saved over the last 9 months, and 50 times that in just pure enjoyment.  Ben

I get that same thing you were talking about, just not normally at the same time as the weight thing. It's weird, you just made me notice how similar/connected they seem. Both kind of create this pressure on my mind, and one's starts as a physical feeling pressure and the yelling thing starts as a more inward pressure, but they both kind of make the same feeling in my mind. It's not coming across right in these words but I think you know what I mean.  Ben

Yeah, I got 30% when I tried to figure it out, but I wanted to be sure. That sucks that they take so much, though I do get most of it back, at least for now. 50 bucks an hour would be so sweet, I'd go on vacations all the time. It's funny, my sister is making $26.50, which is lower than what she was making a little while ago, and she's still poor. Though I guess that's attributed more to her propensity to bad luck than to anything else (she just got robbed at gunpoint 2 days ago and was forced to empty her bank account through the mac machine, and last year she got mono so she couldn't work for 4 months, etc...). I did end up writing down all of what you gave me. My mom looked at it, and she was like "That's pretty good advice." I just figure that I'm going to compile as much info from as many sources as possible so that I can then end up doing everything wrong and learning from the mistakes I meant to prevent. I don't mean to do that, but it's more than likely the way things will happen.  Ben

David

WOW! I figured that since I have time before I move out, I'd be able to get some advice. But I never expected so MUCH right away. Thankyou SOOOOO much! I'm going to write all of that down. It sounds very easy to live decently without having to make alot of money. But, as you said, it's hard in practice. I was wondering, how did you arrive at the amount you added to the 10.37 hourly wage to get to the uncle sam-augmented one of 13.48? I haven't been in a math class for quite a few years so my brain isn't tuned enough to figure it out. I hope I'm not asking too many questions, but I figure I should milk you for as much as you're willing to give  Thanks again.  Ben Carver

Cool, thanks alot David. I'm glad that I already know some of that stuff, like the cooking part, and only getting the basic utilities at first. I definitely have alot to learn in the roommate department though. This sentence probably spells my doom, but how do you budget? Is that just when you write down how much you make per month and then subtract all of your expenses, to see whether or not you're doing ok? Thanks.  Ben

I think that alot of what antiloop says is stuff that we can work towards, because it would create more things that we enjoy in the world i.e. understanding, peace, harmony, etc... I think cainam_nazier describes it more the way it is, and will more than likely be for the majority of humanity for the rest of our existence. Either way, I'm enjoying this thread, because I like ideas that my mind can't fully put into place. It feels good to confound the robot now and then.  Ben

Yeah, THOSE are the words I was looking for to describe what I felt like I did. Untying the energy flows, good way to think of it. Maybe if I bring that up into my conscious mind when trying, rather than just fumbling around with my feelings, it would work better. Ben

Distant bell, I've heard about those Tibetan singing bowls, and I've heard a little sound bite of them once. It'd be so cool to get one of those, because for me at least, a live performance of any sound I like it a million times better than the recorded version.  Ben

That wasn't the first time I've tried it, I used to live in Pennsylvania and I would try all the time. That was before I knew anything about energy though. It wasn't like I created a shield above me that stopped the rain, I think that would require a ton of energy. It was more like I just kind of nudged the rain when it was higher above me so it didn't hit me. If I could do it for a long time, recording it wouldn't look like anything special, it would show normal looking rain, I would just be dry. But believe me I'm totally open to your suggestion about me not feeling the rain because of the energy rush (hell, I thought of the same thing myself also). The reason I'm fine about it is because the feeling of the energy was so cool, it doesn't really matter if I can stop rain when compared to that cool feeling, at least for now. Also, I like getting wet from the rain, so I probably will not try to get better at this. When I was trying to keep the rain off me, before the rush, I kind of told the rain that I loved the feel of it on me, but I just wanted to see what I could do. It was after that, that I got the rush, and it felt like the rain fell to the side of me. But I'd have to try this alot before I could totally convince myself of it. But my gut IS telling me something happened.  Ben

I don't eat meat of any kind, but I do have milk and eggs, but I hate eggs, so I only have them in deserts. My favorite dinners are probably pasta with parmesean cheese and nutritional yeast mixed in, and (I'm embarrassed to say) Kraft mac and cheese (only the shapes of course, I like the Pokemon ones with these soy things called Linketts from a company called Loma Linda mixed in, and pizza of course. The linkets and these things called Tender Bits are things I eat when my body tells me I need some more protein. Other than that, I like alot of fruit, cereal, and peanut butter sandwhiches. Basically I still eat all the same things as when I was 10. I sure hope soy doesn't grow breasts because I've been a vegetarian for all of my 20 years and when I'm older, I'll have quite a set.  Ben

When I first did NEW hardcore (I'm back at it again after a long break) I spontaneously got some strobing and real-time sight. I thought that was cool. Have any psychic abilities popped up randomly? I think that's one of the long-term reasons for doing NEW, other than health.  Ben

Jason

Don't worry, I question myself all that time. I don't have any problem admiting that perhaps I just happened to have been standing in an area that for a couple of seconds just didn't get any rain. It was a steady rain though, and I could "feel" it. I without a doubt felt the strange snake of energy and it was like I felt two walls of rain, one in front and one in back. Perhaps I went into a state of mind from the weird energy that I just didn't feel the rain, but I don't think so. I'm trusting my feelings on this one, it's in my gut, I effected the rain somehow. I should move to Washington so I could practice every day. Ben