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The simplicity of these posts is fascinating Congrats guys

qbeac: I see you are really really trying to find out whether these experiences are going on effectively out of the body or if they are mere Lucid Dreams It's very cool that people like you are seeking the truth behind all these. Now, I think it's a waste of your time to discuss the subject with pseudo-skeptic people. I mean, they are closed minded like orthodox religious or fundamentalists. You seem to be an open minded skeptic, like most of us who believe in OBEs but we want to find out the reality of these.
Now, the problem with these pseudo-skeptics is that they WANT these to be a simple hallucination and they don't analyze all the studies. You can give them 100 links with studies full of claims from people who had NDEs and studies (like the one made by Charles Tart) where one woman really saw the random number (5 digit) while out of body. I think that TVOS is "The Man" in this area. He is making good progress with his experiments but even if he give us proof, they won't believe what TVOS says...
Check out for example, the AfterLife-knowledge.com page. Bruce Moen has a lot of proof claiming that he had contacted deceased ones. Check out his forum, where a few guys could apply the same techniques and found out real information from deceased ones. Even with that information, we can end up thinking that they are lying, they are crazy or they are simply hallucinating
Just my opinion. Keep going, but don't waste your time with pseudo-skeptics.

Cheers,
Magic.

abstract: maybe you have a religion, maybe not, but what's the problem if any of those books (Bible or whatever) say that you shouldn't do these type of things ? Why would you agree ? Do you think that God will be mad if you try these things ? Are you doing any harm to anyone by trying ? I don't think so, but it's my personal subjective opinion.
No, you won't be losing your time. What you can do is simple: do not invest a minute on this, except when you go to sleep. Instead of drifting away and shutting down your mind, keep a thread alive. Just do that forever and you will eventually have an OBE or at least a Spontaneous OBE. You only need one.
So try to achieve a Focus10 state and see what happens.
If you are really lazy, imagine as vividly as possible another room in your home. Feel that you are there and while doing that, get asleep without doing any effort. Just let yourself drift to sleep...

Good luck !

Billion: the Book from Bruce Moen is called AfterLife Knowledge GuideBook - A Manual for The Art of Retrieval and AfterLife Exploration. It comes with a CD set (CD or MP3) with guided exercises and a Live Lecture (DVD) with Bruce. He is a cool guy. Always giving credits to Robert Monroe, and he explains the focus levels very well. He speaks a lot about the Belief Systems, and the AfterLife Zone (Focus 27).
Now, I bought that book but yet I didn't start the exercises coz I used to change from one technique to another (Monroe, Moen, Bruce, Peterson and many others) but about a month ago I decided (thanks to Major Tom) to keep myself focused on one technique: reaching a solid Focus10. Yes, the article is the one you mentioned.
So, right now I'm listening 5 days a week the Wave I - Track 2 of the Gateway Experience from The Monroe Institute. There's something important I wanna tell you: don't give up. If you are tired/bored and you wanna quit, just don't do anything except a few tries when you go to sleep. You have nothing to lose and almost no time invested. The simple act of trying will give you -hopefully- a few spontaneous OBEs. That happened to me and that (the spontaneous one) gives me strength to continue trying. I had just one OBE, but it was so damn incredible, I was so Lucid that still today I can't believe.
If you are stuck (like me sometimes) clear up your mind and continue, keep trying, it WILL happen.
The good thing about having a lower goal is that you can actually FEEL when you are getting closer. That's why I love Major's article, coz it describes a lot of sensations that -now- I can feel.
Did you try a rundown ?

Cheers,
Magic.

abstract, nobody can prove 100% that OBEs are real (that you really get out of your body) coz validation is not an easy task. However, there is a pal from this board called "The Voice of Silence" who is doing a lot of experiments...
Check this out...
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=20911

Billion, "Mastering Astral Projection" is from Robert Bruce and Brian Mercer... anyway, I agree and disagree with you at the same time. Phasing is explained in three places:

a) Latest Monroe Book.
b) Bruce Moen work.
c) Here.

The problem with (a) is that he does not explain a clear technique. He coined the term "Phasing" explaining how smoothly he moves from one reality to another, but no clear techniques.
Bruce Moen (b) explains it very well. Ok, he doesn't call it "Phasing" but it's exactly the same with one exception: he always starts using imagination instead of being quiet (noticing).
Frank, Major Tom and other guys here explain the Phasing Method very well. For me, it didn't work yet, but I'm doing good progress going to Focus10, that is the "base" of everything.
My personal opinion is that one should start with a different goal. I'm in the goal of reaching Focus10 right now. It's not so easy (for me), but I'm making progress. Major Tom has a fantastic post about Focus10. Also, Frank has a great post about the "Pointers to Wave I" ...
So, I suggest -if you get bored "noticing"- you to start from the basics and try to achieve a solid Focus10 with the help of a rundown. Once there, everything seems easy, even if you attempt the "classic methods" to project (rolling out, bouncing your body, etc), the Focus10 state will help you.
So, for me it's a matter of achieving a solid Focus10 and from there, phasing, obeing, or whatever...

Hope it helps,
Magic.

TVOS: in case you want me to create a few MP3 in order to do the validation, let me know. On the other side, if you end up validating the experience with any other method, I know you will post it...
Good luck and I promise as soon I'm able to project at will, I will start a serious study like yours in order to validate.

Thanks a lot for your efforts,
Magic.

Old, don't "awake" while you are out of body. Enjoy it !! Anyway, thinking about your physical body will make you go back to your body. In fact if you just THINK like knightlight said, you will break up the obe...
But man, if that happens, enjoy it, there's nothing wrong with being lost in Astral Realms

knightlight: to be honest, if he can "guess" the message, I won't think it will be coincidence. What's the difference between writing a few random words on a paper and a few random words recorded ? Come on Imagine this type of message: "...red green blue..." How in the world there will be a coincidence ? ... "...birds can speak..." ... man, how he will find out ? But you are right, there is a chance of coincidence so we can make this test two times in a row. Do you agree ? If 100% accuracy, I think that's it.

Tombo: sounds like a good idea also Let's see what our "experimenter" says. Maybe he already did something like that.

Hmmm... I don't see how a shuffle will help with this experiment. How will you know which song was playing after you wake up ? I mean, maybe you hear the correct song and instead of going back to your body immediately, you can black out ending up confused about which song was playing...
I think a good one will be to record an MP3 (I can do it for you) with a length of about ... 15 minutes (of course, replay and replay when finished).
The first 30 seconds will be with a simple message saying something like:
"This message is in order to test audio volume, in 30 seconds the real message will start. Correct the volume and go away!!"...
Then, the real message (you shouldn't' hear it before, of course) can be something like this:
"World peace ... World peace ... World peace ... World peace..." repeating it over and over for the next 15 minutes. The only thing that might happen (unlikely) is that when you are out of your body you may hear the the Intro Message, but you will have to wait and stay focused only 30 seconds to hear the real one ... So, there's always 14 minutes and half of "Good information" and just 30 seconds of the intro message...
Get it ? If you wanna do it, I can prepare it for you Maybe we can end up with something useful.
This idea came to my mind because of your post saying that you could hear your dog barking. Also, from another guy (sorry, don't remember who) who said that he could hear his air conditioner when he was out...
Makes sense ?
One more thing: even if we can validate that experience, it won't mean that there is an AfterLife. The only way -at least for me- to prove the AfterLife is contacting a deceased one and bringing something that you couldn't possibly know. If you can contact your Grandma and verify that ... pufff... what can I say ? No need for the MP3 in that case

Cheers and thanks for being at service of all us. You are a lucky (hard worker) objective guy that projects a lot being able to verify these experiences. I'm doing what I can, but I still can't project at will

Magic.

TVOS, you are able to project a lot Did you ever try to contact a deceased person ? Like the retrievals from Bruce Moen ?
I mean, projecting every week, didn't you get any chance to confirm to yourself that you are really leaving your body (or focusing outside) ?
One thing that comes to my mind is, instead of trying to check out something visual, doing it with an audio tape ... for example, you can record a permanent message (of course, you shouldn't know what it says) and while leaving the body, see if you can hear the correct message... Do you think sounds are easier than visuals ?

Thanks,
Magic.

Congrats American !! I really don't know what it was, but for sure you are starting to experience what you was searching for ... AP Maybe you started by real aping and then it turned out into a Lucid Dream... I don't know ... hey, what about the number ? Did you check with your friend ?

Neutrino: I already told you not to use the Bible to prove anything. You won't make me change my mind at all. I'm Christian because I born in a Christian country and my parents are Christians. That's REAL the reason.
I never said AP was "REAL". Re-read this thread. I told you I was finding out by myself and there is a guy here -TVOS- making good experiments with it. However, I won't say "it's real or unreal" before I can check out by myself. With the Bible, you will never be able to say that is real or unreal. You can't experience the past, you don't know where this words (Gospels) are coming from and ... please, don't tell me that: "Buddhist, Hindus, Jews, Muslims, Atheist, Mormons,Greek Orthodox,Catholics etc are going to Hell" ... That is really funny. I don't believe that God is exclusive to Catholics.
If I can speak about my experience, the only REAL MYSTICAL thing that I can prove for real is LOVE. Nothing more. Religions are well for a lot of people -who don't ask questions-, but instead of joining them, they divide. You see ? You think that other religions are wrong. Maybe you and me could be good friends, even if we have a lot of differences like the native language, the country, the political ideas, etc. But because I don't buy what the Bible says and you are too orthodox, a division start to grow between us. If there were no religions, there were also no division between you and me.
Please, if you still reply to this one, don't use Bible passages because I won't take those words. I want your reply, not the Bible. I have one Bible at home so if I need an answer like that, I will open it. Don't bother yourself re-typing the stuff that others wrote. Think for yourself, experience for yourself, feel for yourself and reply for yourself.
And please, don't blame other religions or send them to hell. Nobody blamed yours.

OBES: There are only two friends of mine who are open minded enough and can talk about these things (AP) with'em. Also, my wife knows that every night I'm trying to AP and she's cool about that.
Now, about my family, co-workers and other friends, to be honest, I don't talk about it. Not yet coz I'm not a regular projector (only had one full OBE) and I feel I have no right to speak about it. I mean, if I have no personal experience, I can't speak for "The Voice of Silence". In fact, in this same board I cited you to speak about your experience to answer a few questions, but when you don't have personal experience -this is what I think- you can't start a conversation speaking about AP and making claims that you don't even checked. So, before speaking about this with other people that I KNOW will start asking good questions, I prefer to be quiet.

NDE: don't want to talk about it too much, coz here NDEs are famous because of a guy who is a Christian Fundamentalist. He is not objective at all when he speaks about it, so most non-Christians feel that he's speaking crappy-sh1t. Again, if I couldn't OBE by myself, I can't speak too much about NDEs. All the conversations start and end in "I believe in NDEs".

Religion: I love to speak about Religion because I have a big personal experience and I read a lot about it. Theses things always arise problems in conversations if there is a fundamentalist on the table, but when you speak with open minded (even religious) people, it turns out to be very very interesting. My co-workers are very intelligent ones and there is no way to "escape" with easy stuff. I love to speak about religion with open minded people, what I don't like is to remove their Faith or Beliefs. I think that is something that one should question to himself. So, for example my parents are Christians and believe unconditionally in Jesus. They have Faith and it HELPs 'em to overcome many problems. So if I speak with them, I won't start saying: "Yeah, but Buddha existed before Christ" ... or "Can you prove that Christ existed outside of the Gospels ?" ... I mean, if they want to believe that and there is no harm in that religion, I don't try to remove their beliefs nor their Faith.
Now, if we speak about Sai Baba, I have to admit that I TRY to remove any Faith that anyone can have on him. Why ? Because he is a clown. I know it, I read about it and I have PROOF about it. What PROOF ? Videos where you can see him doing close up magic (sleight of hand) and saying that are "Miracles"... f*ck him up. He don't need to lie.
Instead, priests (there are exceptions, obvious) REALLY believe in Jesus, God, etc. The preach about what they believe. They are not lying, they believe and share their beliefs with other people. Those are different things. You can or not believe on God, but you can not easily say that God does not exist. On the other hand, there is PROOF that Sai Baba exist and you don't need to believe that. There is also PROOF that he is a liar so if you believe in him, you are fooling yourself.
In other words, I don't try to change anyone beliefs, but if I feel that someone is doing something harmful to himself because of the Religion, I prepare my canons and start the fire.

Science: I love to speak about science. In general terms, everyone agree that science is great and that it gave us (humans) a lot of things like medicine, astronomy, etc that help us to survive much more, to know the universe, other planets, etc.

About your last question, "How do you make the subject comfortable with loved ones ?" - I think the best way to approach these things is to first know what their beliefs are. Then approach it with love and respect. But before approaching something like this, I will proof to myself that is "REAL" as we say. Real means that you are really out of your body and it's not a creation of your mind or a dream. Period. All the other questions about "What is real ?" for me, are not valid. An AP guy who KNOWS that is real, FINE. But if you have doubts on your mind, I don't think it will be fine to say something like OBE or AP. I would approach the thing maybe with different terms like: "There's something strange that I usually do... I don't know if it's REAL or not"...
So, good luck and hope I didn't bore you with the long post

Magic.

Neutrino: if I said something offensive to you, I'm really sorry. I didn't mean to do that or to bother you at all. Sorry.
I also don't want to change your way of thinking, beliefs or Faith. Not at all !! We are sharing ideas and experiences here in order to grow and YES, I believe (it's just a belief) that people who don't believe in Jesus, Buddha or whoever, will also be OK. At the end, -for me- the most important thing is how much love you have and specially, how much you can give. About all the other things I don't know.
About heaven and hell, I don't believe that those places exist. I think that prophets, mystics and masters from those times spoke in simple terms so people could understand. But anyway, I'm happy that you have an unconditional Faith. For me, if you want to believe in Buddha and that helps you being a better person, fine. If being Christian, the same. If not being anything at all, but yet you try to be better every day, cool. But please, don't send me to hell only because I have doubts about the scriptures. I don't think that God will be mad because I don't trust the Scriptures. At the end, for the guys who lived with Jesus, to have Faith it's easier than me, who didn't see anything except what those -men written- scriptures said. So God is not asking me to believe in Jesus but asking me to believe what other men wrote, it's a different thing. "The Truth will set you free". "Search inside, not outside". That is what I believe. I don't think I need scriptures in order to find it. I prefer the "Search inside" part.

Draege: I personally don't feel I'm an "Intellectual" but in the same way I question other religions, I have to do it with mine. Why am I Christian ? Why an Indian is Buddhist ? Why people in Israel are still waiting for the Messiahs ? Are those guys wrong and I am right ? Why ? They also have their scriptures, even older than the gospels. And apart from that, what would happen to me if I were from a different country ? Do you think that you would be Christian if you were born in China ?

So it's not a matter of feeling "Intelligent" because I don't believe those things. It's a matter that in the same way that Neutrino FEELS that there is a Heaven and Hell, I FEEL that those places are part of Human Imagination. So why should I be wrong ?
I don't think that Spiritual Knowledge is believing everything that others said. I think that it should be a personal search and a personal experience. At the end, my FEELING, my OPINION and I have no proof for that, is that the most important thing in life is how much Love you can give, all the other stuff, rituals, beliefs, etc are subject to further examination.

Cheers and please guys, don't feel offended if I say something that you don't like. Those are just MY words, not the scriptures.

Magic.

How come ? Man, I have no time during the day but at night, at least b4 going to sleep I always try for 30 mins at least... Do you work too many hours ? Married ? Kids ? Age ?

Neutrino, those passages of the Bible don't proof anything. In 2000 years you will have plenty of books and those (actual) writings won't proof anything also. I'm not saying they are wrong, I'm saying they are not a valid proof. You asked a question (valid, very valid and excellent by the way) from a skeptical point of view, and from that position, the Bible is no more than a lot of other books, like the Bhagavad Gita or others from different religions. Unfortunately, claims from religions can't be proved It's a matter of faith. I'm Christian (apparently like you) but those are beliefs based on culture and faith. Go to the Amazonas and ask somebody about Jesus, Buddha or whoever ... they simply don't know about them and I don't believe that everyone MUST know about them in order to go to heaven (if there is one). Anyway, going back to Astral Projection, there is a cool guy here called "The Voice of Silence" (from now on, TVOS) that made a lot of tests with the "Card Experiment". He failed a lot of times but his tests are really interesting. I don't believe it will be an easy task to prove that AP is "Real", because when you are out of your body, your don't carry your original five senses with you, so if you have to look at something, your astral eyes may fool you... I think the experiment will be easier if we do something like testing what you hear instead of what you see. Why ? Maybe your ears are better "emulated" than your eyes. Again, TVOS said that his Dog was able to feel his presence, and started barking... here could see him and hearing barking ... because of the barking noise he woke up to find out that yes, the dog was barking Is that proof ? Not exactly, but very close. He maybe fooled himself thinking that he heard the barking in the Astral while maybe, it was in the physical... who knows ? But check out his posts ... he's doing a good job...
About the Astral Bodies ... Souls, Spirit ... Can't answer that question, I really don't know, but maybe we are using different names for the same things (Astral Body == Soul, etc).

Cheers,
Magic.

I can't understand what are we talking about here... everything started well  and just asking about what happened with Frank, his VCs, the money, paypal and a lot of things ...
Now, this conversation started turning around and we end up like critics about Franks page and at the end about Adrians page ? What the hell is happening here ? I mean, who cares about how they sell they books/products ? I agree with Adrian that is a marketing thing and anyway, people decide if they wanna buy it or not. And if that about the wealth, health is true on not, it's a matter of trying. I didn't buy/read Adrians book, but in order to say that is a "Scam" at least I have to read it and try the techniques or whatever it takes.
If you read A LOT of books in the bookstores, they will tell you how to be rich, etc, etc, etc. In fact, the first one that come to my mind is: "Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich" ... the cover and everywhere have claims about getting rich reading the book ... and if you apply those concepts, for sure you will be rich !! Where's the scam there ? There's no Scam. It's that we are lazy and end up throwing the book maybe without even ending it ... and then ? We review it like: "Yeah yeah, it's good but..." ... but what ? But you didn't apply anything you you simply can't speak.
So now, even if the book of Adrian or the (future) book of Frank have claims that are unreachable for most people, that does not mean that is a scam, and by the way, marketing is marketing. Maybe they have to sell it in order to survive in this money-oriented world.
Guys, let's be real, there's nothing wrong with that. And anyway, why didn't you mention about Adrian's page before ? That page is there since I don't even remember ... I never see nobody complaining about it, but now, we end up involving him and Franks page, and whatever ...

Kisses for everyone,
Magic.

1)  Same as KnightLight. Sometimes I do a countdown before noticing.
2)  Overnight. When I go to sleep, I always give it a shot.
3)  Zero :) I -yet- had no volunteer APs.
4)  I had one in four months-
5)  Six hours.
6)  I'm vegan. I do not eat animals, fishes, etc.
7)  Nope.
8)  Not these days.
9)  The only one that I had, it was a 10.

I'm sorry I can't be helpful. I'm practicing and yet I had not too much success with OBEs.
In order to make the 8 look like and 8, I simply checked the "Disable Smilies in this post" checkBox.

Pleasure,
Magic.

Neutrino: if you want to see "proof" that someone can be out of his/her body, there are a few studies done by Charles Tart (a girl that was able to read a 5 digit random number comes to my mind) and also in the Bruce Moen board (afterlife-knowledge.com) you can see a few verifications of people who contacted deceased ones.
Now you can ask: yeah, why believing those studies ? Who are those guys anyway ? ... and you will always end up trying to find for yourself. There's no escape for that. Someone here can tell you they are "REAL", another one may say that they are simply "Lucid Dreams", but at the end, you are the one who will have to find out
Another thing to keep in mind, it that for most people is not easy at all to keep themselves in the real time zone, that means, being out of body but in the physical world in order to check the reality of known objects, places, etc.
I can't answer that question because I had just one OBE. The curious thing is that I was in the Real Time Zone and everything matched the physical. I wasn't able to do any reality check coz I was so damn excited and it was so short
One cool point about all these is that most people report -more or less- the same symptoms while leaving the body. When I had my OBE, I had no idea what should happen. The vibrations, bangs, sounds, sensations where exactly the same as reported by many others in this board ... so if it's simply a Lucid Dream, how in the world are we feeling the same sensations ? How are we "dreaming" of being in the same room ? When you normally dream, there's no chance for you to control where the dream should take place... it can be anywhere from a real place to a fantasy world ...
Wow !! What a long post !! I will stop boring you now, just one more thing: TRY IT. It's worth it and it won't harm you at all ...
And about the Heaven stuff ... do you believe in heaven and hell ? Fine, can you prove that ? Can you prove the existence of God ? Can you prove the existence of Jesus ? Most spirituality stuff is a matter of faith. OBEs are a practical thing to experience and explore BY YOURSELF without having to believe in anything ... watch out, it may blow out your belief system in a minute

Good luck with your search,
Magic.

TishAnna, that one was very cool
What do you mean when you say "While wide awake" ? Don't you do the relaxation, vibes and all the "stuff" ?

runlola: I won't get my money back coz I wasn't subscribed to those Virtual Classrooms. "THINK about it" you said. And yes, I will think about this, coz even if he is very ill, his partner should mail these guys or something.
Time will show us what happened, hope Frank is well.

Nay: it's natural to feel uncomfortable in a case like this, but to be honest, you don't have to. I think everybody understand that even mods like you don't have a clue about what happened.

What I really can't understand is that you guys who are more close to Frank than others, can't contact him in order to check out what happened to him. I'm not speaking about the f_cking money or the classrooms, I'm speaking about his health or what the hell is happening. Maybe we can help, maybe not, but it's natural that we want to know.


Magic.

Remember all this crap you are saying about him,
it may be your last words to him!
think about it.

runlola, what these guys are saying is not crap, it's simply what's happening. No "mysticism" in their words. By the way, if he had a partner, he should contact them and refund their money or AT LEAST give some explanation. You know, a lot of people here is worried about Frank and they deserve an explanation.
-"They deserve an explanation ?? Why ?"
-Simple, because they are worried about Frank.
-"Oh yeah ? Are they family, friends or what ??"
-Right. They are nothing so then, they deserve the refund.

I hope nobody felt guilty for asking that kind of questions because they were correct from any point of view.
I can't believe.
You think about it, runlola.

Magic.

Ibanez, first of all, where are you from ? Ibanez is "Ibañez" ? Just curious about that  
I'm EXACTLY as the same point where you are. And I mean it: EXACTLY.
However, I have one full Spontaneous projection and I could feel the "real" vibes that you can hear from a bunch of projectors.
Let me tell you that they say that you don't need the Vibes at all in order to project. Here's my experience....
Practicing since May 8Th, a lot of times I could feel a tingling, and vibes and things like that ... but one day, I woke up in the middle of the night because of HEAVY sounds that seemed to came from a BIG Storm. "Puuum !!" ... at the same time my body was vibrating as if I were inside of a tornado. And trust me, they felt exactly like that. No tingling, it was like being inside a washing machine ... At that moment, I remember to stay calm and wait, but the Vibes were so damn strong and the sounds like BANGS of guns ... I didn't want to lose my chance to project so I managed to stay calm and two or three seconds later, PUM !!! I terrible sound and a feeling like being shot from a cannon ...
Well, what I did in that projection is already posted so I want repeat everything here, but let me tell you that those "Vibes" where SO different to the tingling that I feel when I try to project at will.
So, a lot of guys here (with much more experience than myself) say that you don't need the Vibes at all in order to project, but what I can tell you is that the tingling is totally different that the Vibes you feel when they are really there. Trust me, you will note the difference if that happens. And by the way, don't worry if you never get them, a lot of people project without even feeling the tingling that you mention...
About the face and the hand that you saw, I saw EXACTLY the same a few weeks ago. And it wasn't my imagination, that was reaaaaally vivid...

Cheers,
Magic.

Stookie: I had just one and a half spontaneous OBE so far so I can't tell you anything about changes after OBEing. But the simple thing of searching through all these things and the continuous practice made a lot of changes in my way of thinking.
First, as knightlight said, I don't take things too seriously.
Second, I lost my fear to "investigate" and find out things by myself. I came from a Christian family, and I still believe in that religion but I'm making questions to myself all the time about it. I started to realize that religions -for me- are not big deal anymore.
Think about this: why am I Christian, and why a Indian is Buddhist ? I think that I'm Christian because I came from a family like that, so I don't question about this. I used to think that "My God" was God and that "My Jesus" was the only one, but why should I be right ? Do I have any proof more than my faith ? Where do my faith come from ?
So, I'm not afraid of trying to be an Explorer, a curious guy anymore. I think -right now, today- that the only important thing is how much love you have and can give. Do I have proof about that ? Nope, that's just my opinion, but I came to that just by myself, even if religions or whoever talk about love, right now I can feel just by myself about that.
So, just to be short and instead of making a boring post, I can tell you that these things made BIG CHANGES in the way I think even if I can't Phase/Project at will yet. I removed a lot of my prejudices and I hear everyone with much more attention.

Magic.