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I actually went to the moon in August of 2001, and it scared the astral tinkle out of me!  I didn't actually land there, but I hovered about 3-5 miles above the surface.  The face was all dark and ominous, and it kinda freaked me out when I realized how 'far' away I was.

I then turned around and looked at the Earth, now much smaller than the moon.  The Earth was beautiful, and I ended up shooting down towards it shortly afterwards.

I think next time I head to the moon, I'll control my fear a little better.  Then I can soar amonst the craters and have some fun!


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[Originally posted by James S:]

quote:Originally posted by James S:
As to wehter condoms are natural?  Well, deodorants aren't natural. Anyone want to stop using them?

Well said, James.  I agree with your entire post completely, and you had a good point about the deodorant.



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Yes, I feel this same way sometimes.  What I try to do, however, is to stop questioning my progress.  Whenever I'm entering a trance state, I try not to analyze my thoughts.

Our thoughts are constantly trying to rationalize things, and when it comes to AP, it's hard to rationalize!  For example, when we enter a trance-like state, we're always told, "Stay aware but let your body fall asleep."  

The problem is that by staying aware, we usually keep our rational, left sided brain in control.  We start analyzing the changes that are happening with our body (loss of feeling, lightness, etc) and by doing so, we stay too focused on needless things.  We need to learn to stay aware and not analyze the situation.  Just subject yourself to the natural process of sleep, while at the same time, observe it as if you were a third party spectator.

That way, when you start to lose body awareness, you don't say to yourself, "Hey, I can't feel my body anymore!  I'm one step closer!"  Instead, you'll just let it happen and disregard it....while drifting further into the realms of your imagination and the astral border.



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[Originally posted by Arie:]

quote:Originally posted by Arie:
What does everyone think about condoms?  Is it eh wrong?  I mean you could make the argument that its wise....because if you don't want to have kids and you use condoms its smart.  But then you could make the argument that its unnatural its going against nature etc and anything going against nature is wrong.  But is it really?  

I think anyone who thinks condoms is wrong is someone who is basing their belief on some in-grown religious indoctrination.  Let's not forget that condoms also PROTECT against diseases.

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How about birth control pills.....is that wrong?   I mean with condoms and birth control pills your not hurting anyone so how can it be wrong?  It must be neutral not right or wrong. Comments?

Again, I believe anyone who demonizes the use of any birth control is, if you'll pardon the expression, a religious nutcase.  The only reason why these types of people would believe such a thing is because, in my opinion, they believe that sex is sacred and any sexual interaction should be for the procreation of our species.  Not to mention, they also believe that the spilling of the seed (semen) is a sin.

I think when you take a step back and look at this through spiritual eyes (as opposed to religious eyes), you may see the silliness of it all.  What does wearting a condom or using birth control have to do with the progression of my spirit in this lifetime?  Is it hindering me?  Of course not.

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What about orgies is that wrong?  To have sex with more that one person.  I mean who says you only have to have sex with one person.  I would like someone to prove to me that orgies are wrong.  I mean how can anything that gives pleasure be wrong?  You know what I mean?

Ok, here we go.  I'm of the belief that having pleasure in this life is not wrong.  However, I also feel that sexual pleasure can be a very dangerous thing to our growth.  Although the thought of having an orgie with lots of hot chicks is a fantasy shared by many guys, you start to get into the realm of lusting.  Once you start to let these sexual fantasies control you, it can seriously hinder your spiritual growth.  You become fixated on the physical and less on the non-physical.

So to answer your question, I wouldn't say that orgies are wrong, but most people who partake in them are playing with fire (IMO) because they are feeding their lustful desires which is counteractive to spiritual growth.

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 Then eh I come to masturbation......is that wrong?  Again this comes back to pure pleasure.  How can any form of pleasure be wrong.

Just like above.  There is nothing wrong with masturbation, IMO.  But if you do it so much that you have to part the hair on your palms, then you're focused too much on it.  I think masturbation should be a release for a person...sometimes it's a good stress reliever.  Other times, it's a good relaxer.  But if you start NEEDING it, then you have a problem.  Just my opinion.

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Oh I thought of a counter argument.  Some people find killing people a pleasure.  But to me it doesn't matter.  Thats just plain wrong.  Eh...........this is very confusing!  

With killing, you're harming others and affecting them.  Anything that you do which has an adverse effect on someone else's spiritual growth is wrong, IMO.  Masturbation doesn't effect anyone else but yourself.......or your spouse if they walk in on you!

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But still masturbation doesn't hurt anyone!  I don't see that as wrong.  I would love to hear all of your thoughts on this.

I can tell that you're really pondering this hard!  I've been in your shoes  before regarding this issue, but I'm much wiser now about my feelings on the subject.


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Don't be discouraged.  Almost all of my OBE's happen after I've already fallen asleep.  Either I realize I'm dreaming and project from there, or my consciousness snaps back to my bedroom (without my body awakening) and I project from there.

The key to gaining lucidity in your dreams is to stare at something.  If you can consciously stare at something while dreaming (whether it be a watch, a book, a car, etc), you'll start to gain incredible clarity and awareness.  THe key, of course, is remembering to stare at something in the first place!

What many people do is give regular affirmations all throughout the day.  For example, they may touch a solid object every hour to see if they can pass through it, saying to themselves, "Am I dreaming?"  Pretty soon, this carries over into your subconscious mind, and you find yourself doing this in your dream.  You can use it as a gateway to becoming lucid.

Personally, what I do is practice maintaining awareness as I lay down at night.  I keep my intent in the forefront of my mind.  That way, if I drift off to sleep, there is a good chance that I'll 'remember' sometime during the night, and start to project.

Best of luck.


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[Originally posted by alpha:]

quote:Originally posted by alpha:
I think its good to have a scary experience once in awhile.The next time you are never quite as afraid.

Funny you should mention that, but it's so true.  This morning I projected, and although it was short, it was a little frightening.  I found myself in my usual starting out place: the big black void.  I heard horrible screams and real, creepy sounds.  I remember feeling this fear build up within me, but I told myself, "Just calm down....there's nothing to be afraid of."  I tried to shift my focus away from it and concentrate on getting some astral sight, and then I found myself in my hallway....noises gone.

Once we confront these fears and not let them control us, we progress further in this journey.  It just really sucks when you encounter scary things, because it usually catches you offguard and you almost pee yourself.  



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[Originally posted by clandestino:]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino:
Fried Monkey , eh ?! hmmm.

Well, I had some Ostrich Sushimi (raw) last night....that's nearly as outlandish as fried monkey. !

You're right about :
"When you astral project, you know that it's real, but when you come back, you're almost like a whole different person being TOLD what just happened. Your physical self starts to question what it's being told is real, and this is where the doubt sinks in."

...It is just like being a different person. But when you are actually in the situation, It is / can be just as real as me keying these words into my PC.

Exactly.  I often compare my astral/OBE experiences to past memories that I've had.

For example, think of something you did in the past, like graduate from high school.  You KNOW that you graduated because you probably have a diploma to prove it.  However, what if you didn't have any physical evidence that this ever took place?  No diploma, no pictures, no school records.  How could you PROVE that you indeed graduated?  All you have is a MEMORY that you walked across the platform and graduated.

In many cases, my projections are like this.  At the time they're taking place, there is no doubt in my mind that they are real and not a by product of my mind.  However, then you return and all you have left is a by product of your mind....a memory.  

Now you see why a lot of people either discount these as dreams, or they simply forget that they even happened.



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From my experience, yes, noises CAN bring you back.   This is why it's important to disconnect the phone or any other external distraction from the area in which you're meditating.

If you live in a loud area, then I would recommend earplugs....but make sure they are not too cumbersome or big, or else they'll be too uncomfortable for you, and it may hinder your projection.

Or....if you have any tapes that you listen to (like Monroe's Gateway CD's or other meditative music), that would be an other alternative.  This works well if you have a spouse who snores!


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I would recommend that anyone who is harboring fear within themselves should NOT try to project until they get overe that fear.

Why?

Because we tend to attract (and be attracted) to those forces/entities/energies which closely resemble ourselves.  So if you project with fear, you might bring on fearful situations that you'll have to deal with in the astral.

My advice would be, before you try to project, to ask for protection and guidance.  Reassure yourself that nothing can harm you when you're out, and that YOU are the one in control, not anyone else.  If you happen to see this woman again, confront her.  Maybe she's there as a test for you to overcome something.  Maybe she's trying to get your attention, and you're allowing fear to hinder any interaction between the two of you.


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[Originally posted by clandestino:]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino:
Hi Jeff, hows things ! thanks for the reply.

I appreciate how your beliefs have changed through your experiences, likewise my experiences affect my beliefs also.

But I think I'm running into a brick wall at the moment. Even though I had the most "realistic" experience to date just recently, which convinced me that everything I had been learning / practising was correct, I think about it again in the cold light of day, and question the experience..

"was it real ? was it objective ? was it created by my mind ? Or was it just as real as physical existence......It was just my mind interpreting energy in a slightly different way ??!"

As you can see, I'm asking myself some mind boggling questions...I think that my issues with defining "reality" are holding me back at the mo.

Mark

Hey Mark....

I know what you mean.  However, when I feel this way, I just tell myself, "Self, the next time you're projecting, just take a moment and ask, 'Is this absolutey real?' "  

Sure enough, the next time I'm out and I ask this question, I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's all real.  We only begin to question the experience when we come back, because we've all been brought up to believe that anything experience that takes place without the use of our physical body is not real.  However, when you're in that natural astral environment, you feel free and alive.  You know that there is more to this existence than what we've been told by our peers.  It's only when we return from our astral journey that we begin to question the experience.

Look at it this way.  If you're talking to two people, and both of them are describing what it's like to eat a fried monkey, but only one of them have actually done it,  you're going to believe the one who's actually eaten one.  

When you astral project, you know that it's real, but when you come back, you're almost like a whole different person being TOLD what just happened.  Your physical self starts to question what it's being told is real, and this is where the doubt sinks in.

I'm not sure if I should compare that to a fried monkey, but I'm just typing without thinking at the moment!


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[Originally posted by Gandalf:]

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf:
I was floating in the air, right away, I demanded more clarity and I got it!, not quite as much as *normal*  life but near about.

I find that the more calm and less rushed that I am, the stronger my clarity is.  For example, many times when we project, we are automatically in "rush mode!"  Either we think to ourselves, "I'm out!!!  Let me hurry and do something before this experience ends,"......or we think, "Oh no!  I can't see.  I don't have control......what am I supposed to do?"

A billion thoughts start to roam through our minds, and we end up getting too excited.  The key for me is to mentally tell myself once I'm projecting, "Ok Jeff, you're out.  Now you're in control, and you can make this experience last as long as you want."

I then do a few things to beef up my awareness.

1) I demand for more awareness, as you've already tried with good results.

2) I take in a few DEEP astral breaths.  With each breath of air t hat I take in, I feel myself become more grounded and aware of my environment.

3) I stare at something.  Not so much my hands, since even staring at your astral hands can remind you of your body, which will end the experience.  Usually, I'll stare at something in my astral environment.  This not only increases my awareness, but it helps me remember the experience better when I return.

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I found myself slowly moving round the room in a circulur fashion, round and round. Everytime I neared my body I felt a slight tugging sensation.

I too often feel a strong attraction when I'm in the immediete vicinity of my physical body.  I usually have to walk or crawl away from it in order to have full control of my experience.

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It was night time and it was dark in the room, however during the projection the room was bright, like the light was on.
I looked over and saw my body on the bed, it was asleep but was sitting kind of upright.
However, I knew that the room should have been dark and my body should be flat out on the bed.

I see these types of inconsistencies all the time, and the only way I can explain them is that "perception is a crazy thing!"  What we perceive when projecting doesn't have to fit what we THINK is real.

If you project when it's physically dark outside, but suddenly in your projection, it's bright and sunny, this doesn't mean that this experience is "not that real."  How do we know that in that particular realm, it ISN'T sunny?

Even thought energy is creative ebergy.  We are very, very powerful spiritual beings.  When we're projecting, you can CREATE things with your mind, and on that level, in that realm, whatever you create is REAL.  It may not seem like what you see is real or accurate when you come back to the physical, but why should it?  You aren't operating in the bounds of physical laws when you're projecting.  You're now in an environment of thought, of energy, of consciousness.  It's tough to measure those things to what we "know" in the physical.

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My theory was that I projected in my bedroom but into one of the astral buffer zones, so it was still my room but some reality fluctuations were in effect, ie the light. As I say, I think I may have generated this to make my first heightened awareness obe less scary.

Again, many books and authors I have read make people feel that "reality fluctuations" are not real.....hence, they are fluctuations/differences in reality.  That is assuming that your real, physical world is REALITY and your astral environment is not.  

On the contrary, your astral environment is just as real as your physical environment.  When projecting, you aren;t looking with physical eyes anymore.  You are perceiving energy.  So you may be perceiving energy of what your room looks like, and interpreting it slightly different, which is why sometimes your furniture may look different, or be out of place.  ANd in that astral environment where a mere thought can create or change your environment, you can see how volatile it can be at times.

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Anyway, thats it, I zipped back into body again pretty quick but I found this obe more rewarding than any before!

That's awesome.  Congrats.

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That awareness trick works!

Well, I didin't invent it.  I just use it!


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[Originally posted by SilverSlider:]

quote:Originally posted by SilverSlider:
I'm just getting into this whole field of energy work, meditation, astral projection and that kind of thing. I can do some energy things and can pretty much meditate and I've been talking to some close friends about this and some religious friends I work with and they all tend to think that a lot of this is caused by evil spirits and leaving your body is asking for possession. Is there really any credence to this? It's really kind of bothering me and I'm really confused about it. What do you guys think??

I always found it rather funny that these religious people can come off as experts on out of body experiences without ever having one.

Whether a person is religious or just someone who's never had a projection, I think the most common belief is exactly that: a person can be possessed when they are out of their body.

However, I don't believe that when one astral projects, one is leaving their body EMPTY like a shell.  I believe that one of two things are happening:

1) We are tapping into a univeral consciousness, which allows us to interact and perceive with all kinds of entities and environments

2) We are sending our own consciousness OUT into different dimensions that exist within our own.

In either case, we are not leaving our body unattended.  There is always a connection to the body.  Anyone who has any experience with astral projection knows this, or else it wouldn't be so easy (and sometimes frustrating) to have the experience end because your being called back to your body.  If there wasn't a connection between your body and your consciousness, then once you're out projecting yourself to far reaching astral dimensions, how would you get back?  The answer is that it would be just as hard to get BACK to your body as it would to have a 100% success rate at finding someone you know.  And as many of you have probably seen, it's not always easy to make contact with the person that you're looking for.

Sorry for my rambling.  I just had two cents in my pocket and decided to give it to you!



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Ahhh, this sounds all too familiar.  It took me almost a year of projecting before I got sight.  Here is what I can suggest to you.

When you find consciousness projected outside the body like before, and you only see darkness, it's easier to use your *imagination* to HELP you get your astral sight.

For example, the other night, I was floating in this black void.  Not only could I not see, but I was flailing my arms all over the place, trying to grab onto SOMETHING....anything.....just to get a point of reference.

So what did I do?  I *imagined* that I grabbed a handful of grass or weeds.  As I reached out, suddenly, I felt some weeds and I grabbed them for real.  Now keep in mind that I still can't see, but now I have something in my hand.

Then what I did was I held these weeds up in front of my eyes, and *imagined* that I could SEE them.  It seems that in the astral realm, you can use your imagination as a useful tool to help develop your astral ablilities.  Once I started to imagine I COULD see, my vision slowly faded into place, where I found myself outside under an expressway.

The technique I used above works for me when I have no point of reference while floating in this black void.  However, sometimes I roll out of my body, and although I can't see right away, I still have no vision.  BUT....I DO have a point of reference, since I know that I'm in my room, so I just *imagine* that I grab my door in front of me, and then it happens.  Once I am holding something in my hand, my vision slowly kicks in.  Weird how that happens.


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Hey Eshry,

Keep in mind that when you try to project, make sure you aren't going to be distracted by things like the phone or a full bladder.  Not only can a phone call really break your concentration, but depending on how close the headset is to your face, it can scare the ever-loving crap outta you!


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[Originally posted by clandestino:]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino:
HELP !! what is the difference ?!! is there any difference ?! After all I've read about lucid dreaming and astral projection , I'm not sure of the difference, if there is one !
Mark

This is where we start to get into different beliefs and theories.....but I'll try to take a stab at what *I* believe.  Keep in mind that my outlook on these things are CONSTANTLY changing, because with each experience comes more questions & answers.

I *used* to think that all LD experiences were created by your mind.  If you found yourself in a house, this house was created by your mind; it wasn't already existing outside the realm of your conscious thought.  

Likewise, I always considered OBE's/AP's to be not created by the mind.  If you found yourself in a house, this house existed on some level without you creating it.  People you talk to are REAL spiritual beings and NOT some creation of your subconscious.

This is what I used to believe, but now I think it's changed a little bit.

I think all that we PERCIEVE while in an altered state of consciousness is real.  Even if I close my eyes right now and imagine a room, that room is REAL.  Somehow, somway, that's real.  I'm starting to believe that our minds (not our brains) are incredible perceptors, able to translate and create energy.  

The big question that I always ask myself is this: if all of these things are so real but only created by ourselves, where is the reassurance that when we die, we don't just cease to exist (or go to hell for being decieved).  My answer to myself is this: when I am APing, I KNOW at that moment that it's real.   I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that there is something after death, and that somehow, I am existing in that environment of thought/creative energy.  I can't possibly imagine having this kind of ability to project in this lifetime, only to find myself incapacitated after death.

These are my thoughts and how I've come to view things since I've started projecting.  I could go on and on, but this is the basic gist of my outlook.


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Although I dream every night, I don't get lucid all the time. However, when I do find myself lucid, I'm almost 100% able to convert it into an astral projection.

The way I do this is to:

a) Have an intent - when I become lucid, I know automatically that I want to astral travel

b) Remain calm - many times, you find yourself going through projection related symptoms, only to discover yourself engulfed in violent vibrations or a big black void.  This happened to me a couple nights ago.  I simply remained calm, and used my imagination to help ground me.  

For example, when I found myself floating (somewhat wildly) in this black foid, I began to flail my arms around, hoping to grab onto something.  In the past, I would have become fearful, thinking that I was going to fall and smack into something.  Instead, I remained calm, and IMAGINED that I grabbed something.  Soon enough, I indeed grabbed what felt like a handful of weeds.  Just then, my vision kicked in, and I was projecting.  I did have some vegetation in my hand, but whether I created that with my mind or whether it existed outside of my mind, I don't really care......the point is that I used my imagination to stabalize the situation and help ground me from the black void I was in,

So remain calm and have an intent to project when you become lucid, and this should help you overcome some of the fear and limitations that you've been experiencing.


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Although all of my experiences are a mixture of light and dark projections, most of my OBE's have happened while it's been physically dark outside.  I've never come across anything creepy.


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Hi there Lysear,

Keep in mind that a person can  have a full-blown astral projection, one with incredible detail.....but if they slip into a dream right afterwards, this same incredible experience can (and sometimes does) fade away by morning.

So by the time you wake up, even a successful projection can be shrugged off as 'just some dream.'

However, keep in mind that the only difference between a dream, a lucid dream, and a projection is the amount of conscious awareness that you have at that given time.  For example, if you were just walking around in an ordinary dream, and you started to stare at something, you'll begin to feel a surge of energy start to build up within you.  If you go with it and remain relaxed, you'll suddenly have control of your full waking consciousness.  From here, you can project further into the astral realm.

I think a lot of people are quick to categorize dreams as simply "imagination," or "not-real experiences."  Everything, and I do mean EVERYTHING, is a real experience.  We just need to learn to recognize when we're in an altered state of consciousness and react appropriately.

Just my four cents.


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I usually DO feel some sort of small resistance when I pass through things.  But then again, I only feel that when I focus my attention on the fact that I'm passing through something solid.

For example, if I'm standing in front of a wall and I'm thinking about walking through it, as I do it, I feel the different layers of its makeup.

However, if I am flying really fast somewhere or not thinking about it, I'll pass through things as if they weren't there....without any penetrating feelings.  I think it all depends on what you choose to perceive.


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Just because we're on the subject, here is a break down of all positions that I've either had an OBE, partial OBE (like half in, half out), or OBE related symptoms (like vibes, being in the black void, etc):

Right Side: 20.6%
Left Side: 9.5%
Stomach: 19%
Back: 17.4%
Unknown: 33.3%

Although when I consciously practice to project, I always start on my back.


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Sounds like an awesome experience.  Thanks for sharing it.  You were very close to a projection that time!


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Just to clarify things.....what "Armed Response" said does NOT apply to everyone.

For him/her to say that "I will teach you what I believe to be the exact technique that all OBE projectors use" is so ridiculous that I actually peed all over myself while reading it.

I also suppose by reading Armed Response that all non-Christians are going to have the shock of their lives, when they project and actually feel like they are one with Jesus Christ.

Give me a break.  I appreciate your helpfulness, but I can't imagine that you're so experienced in this subject as to categorize it into this dogmatic mold.

Just my two cents.


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Sounds like you're definetely on the right track.  You're on the threshold of a projection.  It sounds like what you need to do is relax just a little bit more.  The fact that you become aware of your breathing tells me that you're still getting comfortable venturing further and further into the unknown.

For example, with each astral attempt that you make, you getting slightly further.  When you start to experience "weird" things like vibrations and astral body parts, you get a quick shock of excitement (and sometimes fear) that courses through you, bringing attention back to your body...where you suddenly realize how awkward your breathing is.

The next time you feel the vibes, just relax and fall into them.  Don't TRY to project or think to yourself, "What do I do now?"  The answer is NOTHING!  Don't do anything.  Just relax.  With a little luck and a strong desire, you will find yourself separating!


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Welcome to the board, man.  You'll not only find lots of information about projecting here, but manyof us are more than willing to share tips, pointers, and experiences.  

Just stick around, pull up a chair, and enjoy the ride!


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[Originally posted by MajorTom:]

quote:Originally posted by MajorTom:
The vibrational state is not such very deep trance state and it's important to let one fall deeper for seperation to be possible. Sort of like falling asleep consciously where once awareness of physical surroundings appear to go dim. Only then seperation is possible in my opninion.

Very well said, Tom.  I think of the vibrational state as a sign that you're passing through to the next phase.  Kind of like a person, lying horizontally,  slowly being lowered into a pool of water.  Once the persons back feels the thin film of the water, they start to know that submergence is near.  THey aren't ready to swim yet, because they're only on the EDGE of the water.  If they lower themselves just a little bit more, they will find themselves fully submerged and be ready to swim.

Now reverse that analogy for astral projection.  Think about slowly rising.  When you're on the edge, you MAY feel the edge of the astral realm via vibrations.  If you feel these sensations, just relax and let yourself automatically rise a little higher.  It'll be much easier to fly then.

On a slightly different note: depending on your approach and your technique, you may or may not feel vibrations.  Personally, I hardly never feel them.  Others, however, feel them all the time.  So don't always look for vibrations as a way to project.  Instead, use imagery as a way to distance your mind away from your body.  You may find that the imagery begins to take on a three dimensional shape of its own, and allow you to step into it without any vibes or noises.


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