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Thanks for sharing that experience, Lion.  I was able to relate to what you said about "feeling something is going to happen."

Usually, when I wake up spontaneously in the middle of the night in a mind awake/body asleep state, I have this feeling.  I've learned to recognize it for what it is, and project right from there.  It's a common feeling that intuitively, we all know that something is "just not normal."  

Some people get freaked out by this feeling and try to move, only to find that they're temporarily paralyzed, and they get freaked out.  Others, like myself, simply relax and give in, allowing the feeling to permeate our bodies, and we roll out from there.

Thank again for the experience.  It's good to see how much you've progressed without losing consciousness in your last attempt.


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[Originally posted by Tia:]

quote:Originally posted by Tia:
I would love to join in this exercise but how to try 'interrupted sleep technique' with a partner in the same bed?  

Tia,

Do you usually sleep through the entire night without waking up?  I know that for me, I consistently wake up around 4am every morning to go to the bathroom.  This wold be an ideal time for me to practice OBE.  My only problem is that I have to wake up at 5:00am to work, and just knowing that I have an hour left to sleep is enought to make me go back to bed!

Anyway, if you do wake up to go potty, you could use this as your biological alarm clock, without waking up your spouse.  If, however, you never wake up during the middle of the night, you could try to drink a couple of glasses of water before going to bed.  This is almost guarunteed to make you get up and pee!


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As funny as it sounds, I was first interested in AP back in my early high school years, when an upperclassman told me that he could do it and visit his girlfriend.  Since I was a nobody back then, I could think of nothing better than to learn how to AP and SPY on girls!  The possibilities where endless!  I could go in the girls locker rooms, visit them at home, etc.

Needless to say, I was never able to have an OBE back then, probably because my intentions were so wacked out.

I finally had my first one 5 years later, after I became religious.  My intention then was to use OBE's to direct me in my faith.  It ended up opening my eyes to many things, and to the dissappointment of my parents, I stopped going to our church, mainly because they feel OBE's are not the work of God.

Since then, I've used these experiences to learn more about myself, and the nature of us as spiritual beings (although I've had a couple of occasions where I've had to flirt and spy on women!  Shame on me!).


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I'm not here to put down one method/organization/technique over another.  However, since you bring it up, I think I relate more to Monroe's material over Viera's, and here's why.

As you've said, I've always had a problem with people who coin certain phrases for things (as is the case with IIPC).  In my mind, people do this just to say, "I originated that term."  Perhaps it wasn't done out of ego, but if not, then it only serves to mystify the process of astral travelling.

For example, it's easier for me (and many new beginners) to refer to your non-physical body as your 'astral body' instead of a 'psychosoma.'  Granted, I'm sure both schools of thought are there to accomplish the same things, but to me, one is easier than the other.

What Monroe did (which again, I personally relate to better) is that he broke everything down into Focus levels.  It's much more straightforward and structured for a logical person like me.

To each his own.....


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[Originally posted by Gandalf:]

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf:
Jeff Mash suggests ASKING for clarity when you're out but again this is based on the assumption that you are able to think of this at the time, maybe with more attempts things will be clearer.

Actually, I kind of DEMAND it!  Usually, things are real dark and cloudy when I've projected.  I start saying to myself, "Clarity NOW!" and affirming my desire to 'see.'

I also make sure that I'm not rushing anything.  A lot of us (meaning me!) tend to get out and start thinking, "YES!  I'm OUT!  Now let me hurry up and get some sight before the experience ends!"

No sooner do I think that when I start feeling like the experience is ending!  This is why it's important to remain CALM.  Just stand there, take in a few deep astral breaths, and you'll start to feel more strong and lucid than ever before.  Incidentally, this also makes my vision more crisper.


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Are you keeping an active dream journal?  I know it doesn't sound like it'll do any good, but TRUST ME.  The more you write down your regular dreams in the morning, the greater your chances of becoming lucid the next time you're dreaming.

The dream journal also helped me to have OBE's as well.


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[Originally posted by Chris:]

quote:Originally posted by Chris:
The woman then said, "We should disconnect you from your body then so you can stay here with us!".

Ok, THAT would freak me out!  But it looks like you handled it nicely!


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Thanks for sharing Meg!  Congrats on making contact with your guide.  Simian, huh?  Isn't that a scientific name for a primate?


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
Adrian is right about the symbolism thing. The moment I read your post I saw it as an invitation for you to walk along it. Then I read Adrian's post. It's amazing how this stuff works to guide us!

Excuse me while I kick my own @$$.....I hate when I miss opportunities like that!  But seriously, I'm not that irritated....this is all one big learning experience, and I feel that I get one step closer each time I figure out a piece of the astral puzzle.  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

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Try and think about it as being a natural, smooth transition from one focus level, to the next. I get the impression (do please correct me if I am wrong) that you are thinking of it like you go through various preliminary stages, then, blammo, you suddenly find yourself projecting within the Astral.

Well, I never CONSCIOUSLY acknowledged that I think this way, but when I stop to analyze my thoughts (which is inevitable when you try to astral project), I began to realize that while I'm on the borderline of consciously phasing into the astral, I still felt that one of two things had to happen:

1) I had to briefly lose consciousness in order to completely forget about the physical

2) If I didn't lose consciousness, I still had much further to go before I could step into the astral scene on Focus 22.

I know that when I began to see these astral scenes, I would be so passive that my INTENT wasn't present!  I wonder of others make that mistake.  Deep down you WANT to project (which is why you're still conscious at this point, but you've been so mentally passive to get here that your intent gets brushed aside.  Then you get frustrated that you're so close but nothing happens, so you roll over and go to sleep.

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You have received an inkling of the next stage, which is the Astral screen that starts to come about at the Focus 21 state. You are obviously not yet comfortable in this state as your protective sense of awareness keeps zapping you back to C1 (Physical). But once you are comfortable viewing the screen, you can phase naturally into Focus 22 which is where you mentally step into the screen.

I agree, although not being 'comfortable' with this stage kinda makes it sound like I'm 'uncomfortable.'  I think 'unfamiliar' is a better word.    But I thank you for breaking down these benchmarks into Focus Levels.  It makes me smile to think that I'm that far along, since up until now, I was thinking these 3D shapes and astral scenes were all part of the Focus 12 area!

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Focus 22, is a region of consciousness that, in my early posts, I termed the Training Ground. In my early days of projection, I got stuck projecting to this region for around 5 years before the penny dropped, and I realised that the scenary that surrounded me was fuelled by my own release of emotion.

Most of my projections have been after losing consciousness, and then finding myself in the RTZ (or close to it).  What focus level would that be?  Would that be considered the Training Ground which is simulated to look like my physical environment?

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Focus 22 is also known as the Lucid Dream state. The big difference being you will be entering this region of consciousness with full conscious awareness and, therefore, full control of your actions; as opposed to the limited level of conscious awareness experienced when Lucid Dreaming. Here, don't be surprised if you see people just milling around aimlessly like they were drugged, or something. They are just people who are asleep.  

I have encountered this on a couple of occasions.  I projected and found myself in the yard of my deceased grandmother's house.  In the front yard, some girl was aimlessly walking.  I came up and hugged her from behind (I get real affectionate when I'm out!), but she was like a zombie.  I had a feeling right then and there that she was sleeping.

Thanks again for your reply Frank.


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
Interacting with the locals can be tremendous fun. And, if the conditions are right, the temptation to play tricks is too great to resist (well, for me that is). My two favourites are jumping off tall buildings and walking on water, both of which can attract quite a large crowd.

Hey Frank.....I've often wondered about this.  Why do you suppose things like walking on water attracts crowds in the astral?  Technically, can't everyone on that realm do exactly the same thing?  Or do you think you're phasing into a Focus Level of people who are not tuned into their environment and what they're capable of?



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Gracias por contarnos ese experiencia!  :::

Just thought I would practice some of my spanish speaking skills, since it's been locked up in me for so long.


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[Originally posted by Lion Kimbro:]

quote:Originally posted by Lion Kimbro:
Will people mind if I periodicaly post about my effort- where I am at, where I am trying to go, and a general solicitation for help?

Of course not, man.  That's what we're here for.  Maybe we will learn something from your trial and errors.


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
On reflection, I think "movement" is perhaps not the right word. It's more of a gradual mental shift that starts from first seeing what look like moving shadows for about 5 seconds, then 3D blackness quickly followed by the swirling for, say, another 5 seconds, then the Astral gradually comes into view. At this point, I am viewing the Astral from a short distance like if I were at the cinema viewing the Astral on the screen.

Ok....I've been here before.  In fact, just the other night, I saw this mini-cinema.  It was a small, square scene in the middle of the blackness, which showed me a sidewalk.  Of course, right after I realized how real this was for being on my bed, my attention went back to my body in bed. Dooohhh!  This kept happening over and over until I went to sleep.

Anyway, assuming that I didn't lose this astral image....when a person is at this point in his trance-state, would you say you could technically phase into the astral within the next few seconds?  I would think so, since you're already starfting to see these 'scenes.'  However, I think deep down, I've instilled the false belief in my mind that once I see these scenes, I still have a little ways to go before I can project.



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Well, I won't be the first to say that practing OBE's is not for the impatient person.  There are many key ingredients to being a successful projector, two of which are INTENT and PATIENCE.

It sounds to me like you have a strong intent.....but that intent is easily cancelled out by the need to hurry your progress and rush things.  

My suggestion is to take it easy, read up about OBE's constantly, and don't be in such a hurry.  God willing, we all have plenty of time in this life to have an OBE.  The slower you take things, the greater your chances are to have more frequent OBE's, because you're laying down a good mental foundation on how to induce them.


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[Originally posted by Patty:]

quote:Originally posted by Patty:
These all seem so real when they are happening! I mean, indistinguishable from 'reality.'  So either we really are talking with some aspect of our family members, or we're not.

I know that it's usually a stretch of the imagination to picture all of us existing in more than one place at the exact same time.....but I'm reading John Edward's first book, and he put it so straightforward, I never forgot it.

He said it like this, in reference to us being multi-dimensional beings:

"Jerry Maguire doesn't know that Tom Cruise is 'Top Gun.'  But Tom Cruise knows knows both of them."

If you think about that for a minute (and you're like me), a light bulb just went off in your head, and you're thinking, "Man, that's an awesome analogy!"

However, if you assume that we're multi-dimensional, then interacting with others on the astral plane (despite their physical location being contrary to your observation) makes more sense.

Anyway, I don't pretend to have all the answers.....I'm just trying to piece together the puzzle with the information I've come across!  ::




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I've often wondered about these types of things myself.  After all, in MANY of my projections around my house, I've seen family members who I've interacted with who were not there in "real life"....I use that term loosely!

For example, when I was living with my folks, I had tons of experiences where I would project into the kitchen and talk with my mom.  For the most part, I tried to convince her that I was OBE (since she's a born again Christian and doesn't believe these are godly).

Since I'm of the belief that we're all multi-dimensional beings, I think that I was still interacting with my mom....just on another level of communication.  Just because you have an astral interaction with your wife and she has no physical memory of it does not mean that you didn't interact with her true self.  At least, that's the way I think of it.

I wonder what others think, since this is a good topic of discussion.


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
Looking at it another way, if I get to the 3D stage and just remain there, then there I will remain just floating in a 3D void.

Yep, that seems to be where I'm at now.  Having difficulty going 'further' to the next phase.

Frank, let me ask you.  You've mentioned on a number of occasions that you simply phase into the astral....no feelings of separation from a physical body.  So would you say that you simply feel a slight movement (while passing through F12 & swirly color phase) and then BOOM!  You find yourself in the astral environment?

Also, while getting there in this manner, do you suddenly become aware that you have an astral body?  Where you can feel yourself walking, looking at hands, etc?

I only ask because virtually all of my OBE's have happened from feeling a separation from my body....so I have had body-like sensations from the beginning.  If I simply phase out into the astral, do these body sensations kick in once I'm actively moving around?

And one more thing....when I am going through my relaxation techniques and I hit F12, I'm not imaging myself moving.  There is no visualization scene in my head like the one which you envision while listening to the tape.  Do you think once I get to F12, I should start to IMAGINE some movement forward, through the images?  

Looking forward to your reply, my British friend!




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One time, after having a rather long dry spell, I started to work out again.  Immedietely (as in the first night), I had an OBE.  I believe this was because my muscles (as well as the rest of my body) were tired and overworked.  So keeping physically fit, in my opinion, will not hinder your OBE progress.  Hell, if anything, it may help it.

As for all the eating, the only thing I think would hinder you is large amounts of food right before sleeping.  Other than that, I'd say go for it.


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Here's a perfect example of how important it is to write these down.

This morning, I awoke from a dream around 4:00am, because I had to pee.  Before I even got out of bed, I thought to myself, "Are you going to remember this dream?"  The answer was, "Of course!  It's clear as day!"

I even mentally went over the dream in my head one more time before getting out of bed.  I walked into the bathroom, peed, and asked myself again, "Ok....you're out of bed, you're done peeing....do you still remember it?"

Yep, I did!  So I went into the kitchen to get some water.  After drinking, I walked back to my bed, laid down, and asked myself once more if I remembered the dream.  I did, so I went to sleep.

Now it's only a couple hours later, and f**k me running, I can't remember a thing!


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[Originally posted by General-Army:]

quote:Originally posted by General-Army:
Is there any big differences between the astral and obe?

Well, the way I always thought of it, 'OBE' is an EXPERIENCE, and 'Astral' is a non-physical place.  That's about as basic as I can put it.  A lot of people also seem to group 'OBE' with a real time zone environment, while 'astral' is something entirely different than the RTZ.

So to answer your question, IMHO, a person can HAVE an obe and GO into the astral.

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Is there any thing different between them that you woldnt be able to do? Would i be able to create things with my mind? Would i be able to make weapons? Are any of these possible is either or just one or both? I forgot to ask these questions back when i first joined.

Yes, anything is possible when you're out, since all thought is creative energy.  However, I don't have much practice at mentally creating things once I'm out.  However, most people can attest to the power of thought just from the visualization techniques they use when relaxing.  

For example....if you go into your room, close your eyes, and imagine that your door is on the OPPOSITE side of the wall.  At first, you'll quickly imagine this, but your logical mind will cut right in and say, "Nope, that's not true."  And it'll correct you, and put the door back on the right side of the wall.

However, the more you keep concentrating, you're mind will start to lose this battle, until eventually, you'll mentally see this door in a new spot, and that will be your new reality.  Not until you open your eyes will you see that it's back to the old spot.

This same power is 100 times greater when your interacting with the non-physical environment.  However, instead of taking 5-10 minutes to try and visualize your door being on the other side of the room, it will be there in milliseconds.  So you by the time your astral vision kicks in, you may already see these differences in your room without being consciously aware of how they changed.

It's also another reason to listen to Frank when he says, "The border between the imagination and the astral is very thin."  People are quick to discount these types of OBE's because things didn't match up exactly as they are in the physical.  However, just because your imagination is involved doesn't mean it's not real.  It's just there to help you cross over into these other astral realms.


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[Originally posted by jimu:]

quote:Originally posted by jimu:
There is the "active topics" feature which allows you to click a link which will take you directly to the thread with the new posts. I'm not sure if you're aware of that but you can clearly see links to it  both at the top and bottom of the forum index. Hope that helps.

Thanks for that piece of info.  But as Xehupatl mentioned, I already knew about that.  Although the "Active Topics" feature is something I use, once I'm in that section, it would be nice to read the last read post from my previous visit.  

I'm mainly mentioning this for two reasons:

1) If it already exists, someone could show me how to use it
2) If it doesn't exist, if there's a way to configure this board with an add-on feature to do it.


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[Originally posted by astralshadows:]

quote:Originally posted by astralshadows:
It reminds me about suneye

I used to know him and talk to him BEFORE he had a website.  It's a shame that he thinks he can market a "technique" and hype it up as if it's some magical formula to induce OBE's.  It's been awhile since I talked to him, and he used to be a good guy....I just feel that he let things get to his head.




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[Originally posted by General-Army:]

quote:Originally posted by General-Army:
I was trying to obe but i think i may have gotten out 3 times in 1 try but got sucked right back in. For a moment, everything went completely silent, everything got darker, a whole lot darker,  i saw some faint images but my mind was completely wondering, then when my intent to obe came back i awoke from this state, i was also very tired, was this a normal place for an obe to take place or no?

I'm not sure what you mean by asking if this is a 'normal place' for an OBE to take place.  Where were you OBEing from, a cave?  LOL

An OBE can technically take place anywhere a person can get comfortable.  I believe DEBerry Jr. just had one in a lockerroom at his job while on break.  I've always had mine in my bed (or in a  tent).  It really just depends on how comfortable you can get.

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Is it also possible to stay out all night long if u go to bed at 11pm and wake up at 630am and be out the whole time?

I never say 'never'.  After all, if travelling out of body is possible, than to me, ANYTHING is possible.  However, I would say that one has to be EXTREMELY skillful at OBE's to stay out that long.  I've never had an experience last more than 5 minutes.  Most of mine are well under that, and I've been having these for four years.  

It takes a while to have a lot of control over these things and not let your emotions dictate how you feel when you're 'out.'  But if someone was emotionally closed and completely energized, I suppose they could stay out for a very long time (hours).

However, we are always very connected to the physical body, so even if you desire to stay out all night long, if you gotta pee, then like it or not, you're coming back!


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Ahhh yes, the ever increasing heart rate!  Just an observation.....if you're on the verge of projecting, but you realize your physical heart is beating really fast, then you just set yourself back a few steps.

As you know, any thought about the physical body will hold you back.  So if you're consciously aware of your heart, your breathing, etc, then you still have to distance yourself a bit futher from these thoughts.

Easier said than done, I know.


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[Originally posted by General-Army:]

quote:Originally posted by General-Army:
When u finish an obe, are you sussposed to remember it as a dream which are sometimes barely rememberable or are you susposed to remember it as if it just happend, such as if you are to come home from work or school?

Again, I am speaking from my own personal experience.  If I were to get up right away after having an experience, depending on the length of it, I can remember almost 100% of it.  Sometimes remembering long dialogues are tough for me, but the experience itself is very fresh, because my full, waking consciousness is with my on my journey.

However, if you don't record this experience right away but slip off into a dream afterwards, then the experience may seem very dreamlike.  Details will be hard to remember, and it's very possible that you could forget about the OBE altogether.  My last experience was like this, which drives me crazy, because I started to make contact with a guide.  However, because I never wrote it down right away but continued to sleep, I forgot a lot of the experience.


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