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Hi,
Smoking, not exercising, bad eating etc are all things which will lower your vibrations, and make it more difficult to get out. This does not mean you won't be able to, only it will take a bit more effort!

Hi Dachs,
I do not envy your position!
However, I have found a few good ways of strenghtening the aura, the best one being thanks to Jo for introducing me to the concept of having another chakra above our head. Basically, draw energy up through the primary chakras and up into the crown. From there (IMO) it is possible to push the energy out the top of your head (I pulse it out, lovely tingly feeling) into the next chakra up, which I usually think of as being about half a foot above the top of my head. Then feel this energy cascading down through you aura (see/feel it as sparkly white light), and down towards your feet. I find it to be quite a noticeable sensation, can feel my aura loving it. Although, I do not know whether this is working on the aura or etheric body, likely both. You can either leave it there, or draw it into a chakra below your feet, then into your body again towards the storage. With your aura nicely energised, you can then use visualisation to shape it to your needs (coloured/armour style etc), and perhaps a simple variation of the middle pillar exercise would also help power the energy up - simply image the chakra above your head shining incredibly bright, and a beam of light coming down through your crown, stopping at the throat, then moving again and stopping at the solar plexus or heart (not sure), base and lastly below your feet, as mentioned above. It also helps to see/feel black energy flowing/being pushed out your feet at the same time.
I do this, or just parts of it, most days now. It has a great effect on raising my vibration and strengthening my aura, which it really needs.
I sincerely hope this helps! In theory it is also possible to raise someone elses vibration, by sending them enough refined energy which will mix with their own to create a "blend" as RB once said.

Two Bears: I have lots of crystals, but have not heard of a medicine wheel before. Would be mind elaborating a bit? I feel like I could find it quite useful.

Hi all,
Just a quick note, I have twice asked (loudly) and prayed before I went to sleep that, if I have any guides, they should contact me in my dreams, if only to let me know they exist. Nothing came through. I have felt the presence of spirit beings a few times though (undines...wow), but none of them have ever guided me. Personally I believe that having a higher self, who is capable of interfering should it be necessary, is quite enough .

(Hey Adrian, you're the first to get two stars - I'm jealous! nice one)

Hey Sirran (cool name!), if you are looking to try it out and want a test subject, feel free to try it out on me. Drop me an e-mail if you are interested, I certainly am! Sounds pretty cool. I doubt I will be lucid though. My dreams are usually pretty crazy and make little sense to me anyway.

"For what it's worth, I've purchased a digital camera and routinely pick up orbs around my house."

Oooohh can we see a picture?
I have no idea what they are...

hmm, with automatic writing, I think it is dangerous only if you open yourself up to outside influences. If you use it as a tool only to contact your unconcious mind, it is safe. With all these things, whether it be spirit channeling or pendulum divination, it always has to come through the sub-conscious mind. But you can split it into two areas IMO - firstly channeling, which is dodgy in the extreme (eg typical Ouija), or divination, which uses only the subconsious mind and is completely safe. I haven't really tried the first, but got some great results from the second!

Dunno much about Ouiji boards, I dabbled with them when I was about 12 with some friends, and had no bad effects which I remember - though I was not the instigator (didn't say the ritual sytle stuff at the start), and usually just watched. We didn't really get any results either, it was pretty much gibberish, though we didn't have a proper board. Heh, we used stones in the playground, screwed up pieces of paper, etc - but it still worked...

Usually associated with the presence of good spirits/entities I think. Can't offer much more I am afraid! Were you having nice dreams at the time, before waking? Feel anything "out there"?

"but, how are you so sure they are posses by evil spirits/evil energy? Were the goosebumps and the fear a definite sign?"

They are good indicators. Especially if you never have nightmares, then you suddenly get one after your "encounter". The most powerful, and easiest, way would be to run the doll under water...now I know this doesn't sound practical, but you could get a bowl or something, place it over the doll, then run the bath tap over the bowl and hence around and over the doll. This will do some serious damage to any negs inhabiting it, and will probably solve any problems (then bless the doll afterwards? Might help to stop anything re-attaching). Of course, you may want to practice banishing on it first.


....Just read your other post. Definitely run it under water, this will probably destroy any power it has. As for exorcising, if you do want to try, form a circle around yourself first before trying anything, you will be much much safer, and invoke any holy name you are familiar with (I always use YHVH). Also, CIR the nightmares with vengeance after you have done the running water method, and for that matter any scary memories associated with this episode.
...and report back with results!
hope this helps, its not fun I know. Am starting to come out of a dark patch myself.







Edited by - Inguma on 23 February 2002  16:54:41

"In my opinion; about 80-90% of the people on druge were influenced to take them originaly, and when the person is stoned; they jump in the body to experience the hit."

I have to disagree. I used to smoke (too) large quantities of pot, and knew/know many other people in similar situations. It is likely that doing drugs often lowers and "dirties" the vibrations, and makes such people more susceptible, but most people I know got into doing then simply because they enjoyed the effects. Addiction is very different, often very subtle. I have never experienced any increased neg activity while smoking (certinaly no possession), nor noticed any changes in people who were smoking while sitting over running water (my bed). Further, many drugs actually produce feelings of euphoria, which I very much doubt negs will want to get near (sometimes without any real come-downs, which would logiically be the time negs get interested). However, I do know of people who have taken large quanitities of pills (ecstacy - up to 5-10 in one night, not low quality either, crazy stuff ) who then have experienced the most horrible nightmares for a few nights. IMO, this is due to increased susceptibility, which negs then notice and attempt to attach through. I have experienced this once, took half a pill (I was very, very drunk) and when I slept that night had...well not a nightmare, nor could it classify as a typical attack or anything I would have expected, but it was certainly not pleasant. I was not influenced to take it in the first place though, my attitude to trying new drugs has always been more like an explorer, interested as to what i will find.

I would love to hear though, what made you say that? I enjoy discussions on this subject.

Hi Shane,

mad stuff eh? One piece of advice: When I first tried to OBE I went straight into it like you did, and my heart started pounding at some insane rate too. Now, whenever I try and project, I get exactly the same thing, even though I am not even worried about it. It is because the sub-conscious mind remembers, and become traumatised in some way. Even if you were not consciously worried your unconscious can still freak due to the crazy sensations, and this makes it a hell of a lot harder to get out on later occasions. I still have not managed it, for this reason (um, and a lack of time put in, but I have decided I AM going to manage it soon!). So my advice is to do practice exercises first, or you run the risk of hindering yourself in the future if you decide to spend some real time and effort getting out. At the very least, get used to being in the trance state and completely relaxing your body. This is almost certainly the reason you did not get out the first time, cos your body was tense and heart pounding. As for the second experience, you could have been/probably were projecting at the time which is why you experienced bodily paralysis - it sounds like you have some natural ability if you can get that far so easily. Don't give up!....but go steady. Yeah, can be pretty damn scary I know. But just try and relax, it won't hurt you.

Oh, and buy Astral Dynamics if you do decide to really GO for it. Otherwise, read Robert Bruces "Treastise on Astral Projection" which can be found in the tutorials section on his site, will answer most your questions.
hope this helps!

yeah, it all sounds so fantastic when you first get into it....but what if you could project...how amazing would that be?



Edited by - Inguma on 23 February 2002  03:30:37

umm....that you need to re-examine you own conceptions of people with amputated limbs?? Guessing! Are there any discordant thoughts on this topic in your head that need clearing?
Hope this helps...


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"In the end, when giving someone advice on life, the best you can do is to help them understand and give temporary relief."

Hey all,
what a wonderful thread! I think I agree with almost everything here.
My view is that with only evil, there is an utter lack of co-operation and no desire to improve, which would cause a descent into complete chaos and anarchy. With only good, there would be no impetus for change, as everything would be perfect. The two bounce off each other to create a dynamic environment, in which we have the opportunity to choose and learn from both poles. But for perfection, the dark should be controlled by the light, lest it run amok and out of control, towards cruelty and other vices. Therefore you should aim to be the balanced positive - hey that's from "The Only Planet of Choice" I think. The more I read those books, the more I become convinced.
Anyway here is an interesting link which deals with the ultimate enlightenment, and so explains the nature of "above so below". It's a good one:
http://members.aol.com/ckress/god.html

"No man is an island, whether you like it or not"

OK the files are up!

You can find Robert's interview on Art Bell in two files, as shown below:

www.blanc.demon.co.uk/rb_1.mp3
www.blanc.demon.co.uk/rb_2.mp3

The quality is not too bad, and each one is just over 7Mb (14.6Mb total). The adverts and random calls at the start of the program are removed (so they are a bit smaller than I guessed), quality is at 18Kb/s but is pretty good, still very clear. Both files had their difficulties uploading (connection dropping, etc) but I do not think this has affected the files in any way - though obviously if it has I can re-upload them.

enjoy!
...and an excellent listen they are too

"When you feel you own insignificance you can also feel the joy of it"

[certainly]

"However, as for negs being part of the pillar of Severity, I'll have to respectfully disagree on that one. "
Yeah I think you are right, I don't 'think' this disagrees with my last post, but demons can be found in the Qliphoth, which I know almost nothing about. I assume this is simply the attributes of the tree, takes to extremes and working for inbalance rather than balance, ie if you take severity to extremes you will find its corresponding aspect there. But the angels are the opposite of this, and they work for good, certainly not part of the Qliphoth. It is at this point that I become confused! But I have not worked out enough at the kabalah yet, am only really attempting to stab at it.

Hey, I just wrote a post on Kabalah, I feel like doing another. My other post can be found in the forum bugs and questions area, might help.
Have been wondering about this too, RB seems to always refer to negs as acting through the pillar of severity (-). Now I am certainly no expert on kabalah, but I will give this a shot:
Firstly, we do not exist on the positive side. The tree of life is a glyph representing everything in existance, with the positive being balanced by the negative. Evil is negative, but negative is not evil (make sense?). Following this, it is also incorrect simply to say that negative is evil and positive is good. Too much positive in the world we live in, can lead to aparthy and stagnation, too much negative leads to destruction and cruelty. Angels are the ultimate representation of positive forces (um, I think, not sure here as they are loving and love emanates primarily from tipahareth which is balance...um),  - they are constructive, nice, thoughtful and harm none. Demons are the ultimate representation of negative, which we see as very unbalanced - destruction gone crazy, completely thoughtless and without morals. However, each side has the same amount of power - it has to when you think about it, else the world we see would be unbalanced. Nature is a perfect example of a system in equilibrium, both positive and negative being easily seen, all in harmony. However, a wolk is not evil when it kills to survive as this is all it knows, it lives purely off instincts and is not intelligent. Demons (), however, are evil as their cruelty is for the sake of itself and for power, they are intelligent and mythology would suggest that this isn't all they have ever known.
OK I think that is some of the way there - but if anyone disaggrees on any points I would appreciate it if they could correct me!

Kristen: OK I am not trying to take a side, as I have done that waaay to much already (). However, looking at it from the kabalistic viewpoint (which is always useful, I do not know whether you are familiar), being overly nice all the time, which many people consider to be "the way", is seen as unbalanced, acting through the pillar of mercy. To be completely balanced, and live to the highest of principles, requires going through the middle pillar, which balances the side of severity (-)  with mercy (positive, for some reason the forum doesn't want to display the plus symbol??). If you are always overly nice to someone, they could easily come to the opinion that that is how it will always be, and so they can do whatever they like. It is only because is it so easy to see the destructive side severity, that this is considered "wrong" (perpetuated by unbalanced Christian viewpoints). The best way to act in severity is limited by intelligence, with the ultimate aim of tearing down the old so as to allow the building of the new (as Dion Fortune would say, something like that). This must act within the bounds of what is rightous - Geburah, which is the sphere it seem that Romero is acting in. It is my considered opinion that this sphere is badly misunderstood by most (look at the trouble Romero got into!) - and I am not saying this how you are, or that this is anybodies fault, except ultimately the churches. I wonder how this came to be, perhaps to discourage people from rebelling against them during their times of control? But I digress....

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Life can be a game, but only if you choose to play it.

See my bit in "integral philosophy" - like I said, I will record it at 20kb/s, I tried at 8 (which it is streamed at) but it sounded really poor.




Edited by - Inguma on 19 February 2002  01:19:27

Nice nice nice!

Yeah I understand that, took a couple of minutes, I'd love to know whether it would work! I suppose it comes down to what the unconscious mind is capable of, as I am guessing it would have to go through that as a channel. Therefore an easily variable random generator might be best? I mean, perhaps not  seismic activity, using magick principles that might require a bit more energy. But yeah the rest sounds solid! If it didn't work, a simpler way would be to measure muscle impulses like those bodyworker people do, and see if you can get patterns from that. You think it could be used for anything? (hey, I am an engineer!)

Engineering...hmm, you are probably right. It is kinda do-able, I don't actually know anyone who really enjoys their course anyway so I cannot complain (too much, lol). I'm mechanical, on a general course which specialises at the start of 3rd year - probably go into automotive (I want to be the first person to put a zero-point energy drive into a car, an environment-saving step for mankind and a bit of $$ for me!)

Tweet tweet!

Streaming it, now there is an idea, not really sure how to do it mind. What I was planning on doing was recording it in 20kb/s Mp3 (which is pretty poor I know but the file will still be about 30Mb big) then uploading it to my internet site (probably in two seperate 15mb files - I would advise anyone with a dodgy connection to get Getright file downloader, and then use serial 510372287778 to completely unlock it - oh I love astalavista.com...).
Um, if anyone out there is planning on downloading this could you drop me a real quite mail? Just if I have, like, 30 people planning on downloading a 30 meg file in one day my ISP is likely to get a bit tetchy! So I would like a rough idea. It may also take a couple of days to get it online.

watch this space!






Edited by - Inguma on 19 February 2002  00:16:56

Edited by - Inguma on 19 February 2002  01:18:09

Hmm, all interesting

kifyre: Yeah that could spanner it quite badly....see my way of working it below, I think there may be ways of removing those factors. Another engineer eh? Unlucky mate! Methinks it is quite a dull subject...

Adrian: Telepathic keyboard, whoa now that would be something, but is even more over my head I think! If I remember correctly, there have been some medical discoveries which could point the way to how telepathic communication could work on a physical/biological level (or closer to). Something to do with measuring changes in EM fields, so who knows, perhaps telepathy already is in binary (of a type)?

OK this is a rough plan of how I think it could happen: It would look very similar to a normal keyboad, only with no moving parts. As the spirit finger goes down towards a key, the resistivity of (not coiled) very thin wires below it (which are constantly being monitored, in each key) should change with the look of a parabola (one way up or the other). By checking the rate of change, and total change of resistivity you should be able to say what is going on. Of coarse, other nearby keys would experience a similar effect, which would probably help to give a higher degree of certainty that something is pressing the keys.
Linked to a computer, natch. The program wouldn't be too difficult, and I know enough hot programmers.
I want to make one! But lacking equiptment, and am not sure I really want to discuss it with my tutor quite yet....he'd probably think I was nuts!

"It's clearly a budget. It's got a lot of numbers in it" - George Bush lol

Oh, man, yeah it is frustrating!!
As for relaxation techniques, I bought a few "brainwave entrainment" CD's a while back off that Mark Vandekeer bloke, track 4 ("wave of relaxaion") off Lucid Dreaming or Astral Trance really does chill me out.
Good luck!!
When you start on ROPE, do you keep a constant eye on your body? The way I do it, is if my body starts tensing, I simply pay less attention to the exit technique and more to my body. But because I am soooo used to tensing when exerting a lot of mental stress, yeah it is hard to un-learn it. I think there may be some practise exercises which might help, if you want to forget projection for a little while just get used to creating varying amounts of pure mental pressure and holding relaxation? Make one up!
hope this helps

"I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully." - George Bush (rofl)

Yup, whenever I try my stomach and neck tense. It gives you a real appreciation to what RB means when he calls it a "mental balancing act" - that you have to think about relaxing (concentrate on your body, making sure no tension creeps in) while also going on with the projection technique. Too much of the first you won't put enough pressure on, too much the second and you tense. All I can recommend is you do a lot of relaxation exercises beforehand, and maybe go deeper into trance. Experiment! I think the more you do it the easier it becomes (tho I have not projected, have other problems)

Hey all,

OK this one is mainly aimed at RB, but anyone with ideas is welcome:
Trying to OBE was the first thing (in this massive mystic world) I got into (GCSE level, so when I was...umm...16 perhaps), and being fickle and exciteable I jumped straight in at the deep end (practise shmactise, or so I thought, doh!) and was attempting to get out up to 3 times I day. I got some serious vibrations, but my body really did freak out and I was tense, so no projection. Now whenever I get close to exit (spontaneous usually, from meditation), same happens - heartbeat goes crazy (not heart chakra) and my subconscious mind just seems really unhappy (like, self-repeating thought patterns jump out and grow in intensity many times). I guess this is the flinch mechanism thingy .

Now, what I have decided is that I just need to get my mind used to being in the vibrational phase, decide that OK I (most likely) won't project, but if I just lie there for a few minutes a night with the vibrations my mind will get used to it? Just like learning trance (for me, same happened to a much lesser extent first few times but now I don't even think about it). Methinks my mind is a bit of a wuss!

So the question really is that my conclusion is completely the opposite to yours, but is this just because I already have a flinch going on? And have you got any advice for getting rid of it? Banish? Will try that. Damn, again my problems lie hidden deep in my mind. Have done some CIR on early projection attempts too.

laters!

rOBErt!! (yup, thats kinda spooky! )



Edited by - Inguma on 18 February 2002  21:07:23

Hey Mark,

Personally I have found that after a while you just move the energy around directly with your mind. It is a bit like re-creating the sensations, but not quite . Similarly activating chakras can be done direct, in very little time once you are used to how to do it. But I couldn't for the life of me explain how! I suppose cos we all have different sensory reactions to the energy and our minds work in different ways, you just have to experience yourself and see whatever works.

Sometimes I find that if I target my awareness into too sharp a spot (without moving), it has a detrimental effect and may even cause blockages. Energy bandage thing is like the opposite of this, over a large area. Also, if you do it direct, I think it *may* be possible to overstimulate the centers but you would have to be really trying.

To be honest I don't get on well with my awareness hands, they seem to have a mind of their own especially when climbing ROPE (few seconds at most, they they go all krazy and off at tangents)

I love this new forum! Slick....