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Frank,

Well done, mate.  As always, I enjoy hearing all your experiences, especially these retrievals.  I wonder who the "helper" was, and why you never met up with Harath?


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Although you're on the right track, you still need to "let go" of a lot of things.  You're still too focused on your physical/astral body.

A lot of people think that when they try to project, they need to focus on their ASTRAL body instead of their physical.  From my experiences, this is probably not the best thing to do.

"Why?"

Because when you try to focus on ANY body part, you end up drawing attention to your physical body.  After all, most of us automatically think in terms of the physical because we have been brought up that way.  So when laying there, trying to focus on your astral arms, what is  really happening is that your mind is saying, "Hey, I think I feel my astral arm.  Or is that my physical arm?  No, it's definately my astral arm!"  You see, you end up keeping the thought of your physical body at the forefront of your mind.

The key is to relax all of your body, and then calm your mind.  With a calm mind and relaxed body, you can focus your thoughts on a single point of awareness (like a shape behind your closed eyes, a ringing sound in your ears, etc.)  

Hope that makes a little more sense.....


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To this day, almost all of mine are spontaneous.  In other words, I prepare for them, but I usually lose consciousness, and at some point LATER, I spontaneously snap back to full awareness with the pre-OBE symptoms.  It is at this point which I project.


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Never even heard of it, MadJack.  Sorry.


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[Originally posted by Tom:]

quote:Originally posted by Tom:
That's the other problem. I am much more active than most people physically. Back when I had time in college, I would walk in excess of 40 miles in a single day just for fun. It was from one city to another and back. It eventually became easy and I was starting to consider other cities and safe routes to them. Now I don't have that much time, but I am reluctant to allow my body to deteriorate.

Holy crap.  40 miles?  I'm going to start calling you Forest "Tom" Gump!




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[Originally posted by overworked:]

quote:Originally posted by overworked:
Jeff,

Thanks for the advice.  I will make an effort to take it now to the next level.  Now that you mention it, I was consciously trying to evaluate whether or not I was fully paralyzed.  

I've heard, even maybe from this forum, that there is a high pitch rining sound when all is quiet.  I can hear this.  Someone mentioned that if you were to focus your energies on just listening to this sound that this would then induce vibrations.  Do you know of what I am talking about, and if there is any truth in it?

Again, focusing on a sound is just one of the many ways to get your focus off your physcial body.  By tuning into an audio stream in your head, some people lose all thoughts about their body, thus bringing them closer to a projection state.  So you see, it isn't the SOUND itself that makes you have an OBE, but the sound helps you focus on something other than the relaxation that is happening in your body.

Me personally, I don't use this technique.  I am more of a visual person, so I try to focus on the hypnogogic imagery behind my eyes.

Tom: I am not sure what you are getting at, so forgive me.  To me, the vibrations are like an energetic reaction when my astral body is laying slightly out of sync with the physical.  If you focus on them, they will be more noticable.  Usually, I don't focus on them so they aren't that strong with me.

Hope that helps.


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It made me chuckle.  I say let it out, dude.


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I have yet to have full blown astral sex with anyone yet.  To date, I've simply felt up a few women as I flew next to them!  Of course, just that action got me so excited that I lost control of the experience and returned the physical.  

Now when I am out, even though the sexual temptation is strong, I try to keep it under control and focus on other things.  This isn't to say that I don't desire a TRUE astral/sexual encounter, but I will know when the time is right.  There is something wrong about me flying up to random people and touching them!  Hehehe.


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Nope, never read it.


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[Originally posted by density:]

quote:Originally posted by density:

So can we say when there is a way to control our feelings we can easier have OBEs or easier do anything during the OBE?
parachutes. They only work when they are open.***

Yes, I would say that is true.  The more in control of your feelings, the more control you will have over your experience.  This includes both the induction of an OBE (since it takes a lot of discipline of your thoughts) as well as your OBE itself (which takes a lot of focus).



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Well, from my experience, getting your body numb and paralyzed (like you have done) is only HALF the journey.  Most people think, "If I get my body paralyzed, then the vibrations are supposed to come next."  Not necessarily true.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you are getting your body numb (devoid of feeling) but you are still aware of it.  After all, the only way you could know that your body was numb was to have an internal dialogue with yourself where to say, "Wow, I know I am in bed, but I can't feel anything anymore!"

This is just the first step.  Before you can induce the vibrations (which, by the way, not everyone will feel...it varies from person to person), to must FORGET about your body.  That means not even thinking about it anymore.  Usually, what happens to me is that I allow myself to just slip off into a sleep state for just a bit.  Since my mind is calm and still at this point, I don't slip off into a dream.  But I lose consciousness for just the right amount of time to totally forget about my physical body in bed.

Usually, at this point, you will snap back to consciousness, either with a buzzing feeling, or a vibrational feeling.

Sounds like you're on the right track though.  Keep it up!


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[Originally posted by clandestino:]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino:
hey there mr Mash, last night I tried watching myself go to sleep....i was watching the process that my body went through.

Thing is , this activity in itself kept me awake ! in the end, I just gave up, rolled over and went to sleep.

Any hints and tips for me here ?

The key for me is not to actively watch myself go to sleep, but to passively observe what happens when I do.  I know it seems like I'm talking about the same thing, but there is a key difference.

When watching yourself, you are still keeping yourself too aware of your surroundings.  When your legs go numb, you start to think, "Hey alright, my legs went numb!  I wonder what will happen next?"  

But if you think about being passive (that is, observing what happens to your mind/body as if you were a third party spectator), then you're more able to straddle that fine line between this reality and the astral.

Like Frank says, the buffer between the astral and your imagination is very thin.  The closer we can bring ourselves to the mind awake/body asleep phase, the easier it is to induce an OBE.

Another thing....don't be discouraged if, after doing this exercise, you feel that you are too awake and end up rolling over to get some sleep.  This happens to me all the time.  However, what you have succeeded in doing is setting the stage for an OBE.  Although awake, you have allowed your mind to be one step ahead of your body, since your body is now more tired than your mind.  Usually when this happens to me, I go to sleep and sometimes awaken later to have a full blown OBE.

I hope I explained that ok.


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
Jeff: It's now got such a habit with me to ask higher entities for clarity, or understanding, or whatever, I even do it on the Physical. In answer to your question, you can ask for more understanding of a situation at any level.

Yours,
Frank

Thanks Frank.  You know, every time I am out, I usually ask for "clarity," but I never attributed it to a guide helping me.  On the contrary, I simply thought of it like a universal astral law which works when you invoke it.  Perhaps if I think of these bursts of clarity as a sign of guides helping me, I can start to create the familiarity of having someone there to help me.  Then it may be easier to see him/her.   Hmmmmmm.....now you have me thinking!  I hate it when that happens!


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
From what you say, you appear to be making good progress. Soon I'll be sending you an invite to my proposed party on F27. (Well, when I can learn to get to the place with any degree of reliability that is.)  

I guess I'll just be sitting over here by my lonesome, waiting in front of my astral mailbox for an invite to that swell party of yours.  


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I agree with FallenAngel....

If you don't have patience and you desire to astral project, then you're barking up the wrong tree!  One of the corner stones of inducing a conscious projection is to be passive, and slowly relax your thoughts and your body.  If you expect something to happen by rushing things, you will only become more frustrated.

My advice: read up on the subject.  Go to your local bookstore and get some material from Bruce, Monroe, Buhlman, or any other source.  You may be surprised at how much progress you make simply by constantly reading and thinking about OBE's.  Just don't try to rush things.  

If you have any other questions, I would be glad to help answer them.

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Welcome aboard, Sanity!  You will find that this is a very warm and welcome place to visit.  Plenty of us here are available to ask questions and share experiences with.


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Hmmmm....shouldn't be hard.  There must be thousands of people living there, so the chances of finding one are really in your favor.  


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One more thing, and this is for FRANK.

Frank, when trying to make contact with a guide for the first time, do you suggest I try and do this in the first environment I come to while projecting?  Or should I try and go to one of the Focus levels, and THEN try and make contact?  

I would think that I could do it anywhere, but having never met him/her, I don't have an ident/percept to pick up on.


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Cainam,

What is your sleep patterns like?  I would suggest making sure you get PLENTY of rest, since a lot of spontaneous projections happen to people who are getting up a lot in the middle of the night, or to people who are light sleepers.

I don't know much about this, but perhap diet or eating habits could play a part in this?  Maybe by eating heavier foods before going to bed, most of your bodies energies will be devoted to digestion and not keeping you up.  Just a thought.


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I have never used any drugs (legal or illegal) to help aid in my OBE's.  I would hate to be on something and have it effect my experience.  Call me stubborn, but I guess I feel that if I can't do this on my own without outside chemical influences, then it just wouldn't be natural to do.


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Density,

I agree with Frank on this one.  What I try and do is EVERY time I lay down to sleep, I simply watch the process that my mind/body goes through as it relaxes.  You see, most people simply lay down to go to sleep, and because their mind is all over the place (focusing on life's little activities), they never have the chance to maintain a degree of awareness (which is fundamental to having an OBE).

So what I have done is train myself to quiet out my thoughts, and focus my conscious awareness on a mental image in front of me.  This is tough, and I still have difficulty doing this, but it becomes easier with practice.  Soon the mental image starts to take on a 3 dimensional effect, and it doesn't fade away as quick as before.  If I had more control, I would probably be able to consciously project from this waken state.  However, I almost always fall asleep after sometime.  

I find that by going through this little ritual and quieting my thoughts, I am more prone to experience a conscious OBE that night sometime.  But if I don't go through that ritual and don't quiet my thoughts, I will sleep the entire night, waking up in the morning without any experiences.


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I personally haven't, although when I am in the astral, I do feel a kind of "at home" feeling.  Almost like a fish being placed back into the water after being extracted for an unknown period of time.

Perhaps you are hungering for knowledge regarding a past life experience, since you mention that you feel like you're missing a huge part of your life.  I have never had this feeling, but the more I project, the more I learn about myself, and my surroundings.  


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Ironic you should post this topic. I had a rather long OBE last night, and near the end, my MAIN goal was to make contact with a guide.  I called out, "Guide?  Hello, where are you?  Guide?"  Hehehehe.  For whatever reason or another, I didn't NOT make contact with anyone.  So I simply chalk that down as another OBE experience and hope that I get closer next time!


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[Originally posted by liefmichael:]

quote:Originally posted by liefmichael:
hi jeff

good answer i guess.  i wasnt trying to make any point about how many ive had, just curious, as I see a lot of people here posting about their first OBE or trying for their first... i bet theres a lot out there that if you stop and think about it should just about be astral gold card members.  

If you want to fumble around the bedroom, go for it You'll learn a lot about you and your relationship to your regular body (and how hard it can be to move away from it hehe).  but, if you decide to venture out, WOWEE.

One thing I would love to do, or have rather, is a encounter on the astral.  most of my OBE are into RTZ.  i want to talk to an astral being or find my guide.  i suppose it'll show when I am ready.

Hi Lief,

I've had a ton of OBE's, but I am just now starting attempts to make contact with a guide or astral entity which I can learn from (much in the same way that Frank has done with his guide, Harath).

I only hope that the next time I get out (which should be soon), that I don't become distracted by something stupid, like, "Hey, I can walk through walls!"  It always amazes me that little thoughts like this creep into my experience.  Before I know it, I'm acting like a little kid again and my desire to find my guide has taken a backseat!



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Ok, I am TORN between this subject.  I kind of agree when people say, "What do we need another message board for?"  It seems to me that this one which we're on now is plenty sufficient.

Also, people like me are very strapped for time.  It's so much easier for me to come to one place and read all the messages, instead of bouncing between multiple boards.   But that is just my problem.

So I guess I am wondering this: What will I find on this new board that I WON'T find here?  I like staying here because of the people and their knowledgeable feedback...but if all of those people who I look up to and respect end up migrating to a different place, then I will be tmepted to go there instead of here....not juggle between the two.

Confused.....

Jeff