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[Originally posted by network-nt:]

quote:Originally posted by network-nt:
Hi All,

I have noticed that quite often while I am singing I feel the same sensations as I do when I am rasing energy. Has anyone else felt this?

The only thing I've noticed when singing is that people cover their ears and run for the hills!



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Sorry, I never have.  I always wanted to, but time & money have a way of keeping me away!


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I have never had that kind of experience, but here is what I think of them.  When people say "they projected INTO an animal," they aren't really going inside this animals body and seeing through them.  On the contrary, I feel that they are EXPERIENCING life AS that animal.  

In other words, if I project and I'm seeing things from a dog's perspective, I'm not necessarily IN a dog, but rather, my consciousness is showing me what it's like to BE a dog.

Again, I have never had this kind of experience, so I am only basing my knowledge on my past OBE experiences and what I have concluded within myself.


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Hi there Lief.  Wecome to the board.  

In my mind, the amount of experiences a person has doesn't constitute them as an "Astral regular" as you so put it.  In my mind, the way a person can control their thoughts and handle their experiences in the astral is what makes them a regular.   I feel this way because the word "regular" denotes something that is familiar to someone (ex. a routine, a ritual, etc).  One can't be too familiar with this other worldy diminsion if all of their experiences consist of fumbling around in your bedroom.  

Just my 2 cents!


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Welcome aboard, Student.  I look forward to hearing all of your future OBE's!


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Frank, I just wanted to thank you for the post.  I always look forward to yours, and this one was exceptionally insightful.


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[Originally posted by Kodemaster:]

quote:Originally posted by Kodemaster:
Hello all,

This morning I used a technique that I learned on here (I believe from Frank) in which you enter the astral from a dream. The technique involves staring at an object in the dream until your reality shifts. I did that, and I found myself spiraling around in another dimension. However, there was no landscape, there were no grids and no people. Just this ambient, dull haze that shifted as my thoughts shifted.

I did feel a rush through my body, and it definitely felt like a projection and not a dream. How come I went into the astral but didn't see anything?

Thank you,

Jeni

I have u sed this technique many times from a dream in order to project.  In fact, this is the same technique I use when I am consciously trying to have an OBE from the meditative state.  I simply relax, look at the shapes which flash before my eyes, and sooner or later, I am able to latch onto one of them.  By holding onto this image, it starts to become three dimensional and I am pulled into it.  Of course, what this really ends up doing is pulling me OUT of my body, and from there, I begin my journey.


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[Originally posted by Tisha:]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha:
OK everyone, someone needs to tell me how to do that cool thing, pulling text from other messages into my messages.

You mean like that?  Hehehehe!  It's quite simple.  Whenever you want to reply to a message, click the icon which looks like a folder with a red arrow coming out of the right side.  It looks like this (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/quote.gif) and it's located directly above the message you want to respond to.

quote: Actually, we both work for the Defense Department and have very INTENSE jobs . . . especially now . . . so we talk mostly about work.  He's a manager, so there is always something for him to rant about.  But we do on occasion move on to more spiritual matters.  The EARLY days were the most significant, since we have MAJOR religious differences (he's a Christian, I am not).  We wanted to make sure we could live with the differences.  After we settled on that matter, our discussions about religious/spiritual matters have been limited.  He knows about all my OBEs, though!

Sounds like you have quite the complicated job.  Almost sounds top secret!  How do you find time to continue to post in here?  Hell, I thought I was busy with a full time programming job and a website to maintain on the side!


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[Originally posted by Tisha:]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha:
Jeff....... how long have you been dating?  Three years and living together?

Dating for three years...living together for four months.

quote:
I'm afraid, in a way, that you have answered your own question.  If you haven't talked about OBE phenomena, and your spiritual beliefs by NOW, your relationship has a BIG problem.  Not that it can't be resolved.  I'm just sayint that this is the elephant-in-the-livingroom that you don't want to talk about.

I hear what you're saying.  I don't think this will be as big a problem as I anticipate, for a couple reaons:

1) We hardly never fight, so I can't see something like this causing one.
2) If it does cause a stir, chances are that it is ME who has to deal with it, since I can't expect someone else to feel the same about something as I so passionately do.

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Believe me, I've been there.  My ex-husband was nearly perfect, except for this ONE THING . . . no spiritual/magickal aspirations whatsoever.  OK, he was also self-centered and vampiric and unfaithful . . . but nevermind that.

I think that also played into the problems you two had though (him being self-centered, unfaithful, etc).  Whereas with me and my girl, we get along pretty good in just about every other aspect.  We don't have any of those problems.  I mean let's face it....a guy as extremely good looking as myself could never be self centered.    j/k

Seriously, I think if I tell her how important OBE's are to me, she is the type of person to support it since she's just has that type of personality.

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The REAL thing that killed it for us was my trek down this magickal path . . . and he had no interest in joining me.    Had he interest in magickal/spiritual concerns I would have at least TRIED to work the other things out.

Yes, that is my biggest fear, but I am trying not to focus on it for fear of making it a reality.  I'll let you know how things go when I finally decide to tell her.

quote:
If it were not for the fact that my present boyfriend comes from a bonafide strega (Italian witchcraft) family (his granfather was telekinetic, his aunt made a living as a psychic/hypnotist/tarot reader etc.), I would not be dating him now, for sure.  I know he believes in psychic phenomena because he grew up with them.  He just doesn't believe I can do it because he's never SEEN me do it (we live 350 miles away from each other).  He's a little bit spoiled, having grown up around much voodoo. He thinks I'm eccentric with overinflated ideas about my psychic abilities.  Since I'm working on giving up my "ego" and "self-importance" I'm trying real hard not to let his opinions bother me!

Ahhh, the good ole ego!  Well, although it's a struggle, it sounds like you're doing a good job containing it.  Tell me....do you find that the majority of your conversations with your BF are about something spiritual?  He seems to have quite the colorful background, which sounds fascinating.

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Ah . . . relationships.  The things we go through just to be LOVED!!!!!!!!   Jeff, lay it all out for your girlfriend, do it tonight if you can.  

Gulp...Tonight?  But Big Brother 3 is on TV!!  It probably won't happen tonight, but I think it will happen soon.  Our anniversary is coming up, so maybe I can segway that special moment into something about OBE's!

Thanks again for your advice, Tisha.  I appreciate it.


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[Originally posted by Tisha:]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha:
The thing is . . . your girlfriend does not have to believe you.  She only needs to know what YOU believe, and accept you for who you are, nutty as you might seem.  Someday, if you stay together, she may see "proof" of OBE.  Or, she might not.  It should not matter to you, for you to be at peace with this phenomenon.  

Ah, easier said than done. I have fantasies of messing up my boyfriend's room during an OBE.  He thinks my beliefs are a little silly, so I hope the "proof" he sees someday really rocks his world.  I read that Monroe was able to pinch someone once, so the Astral body has to have SOME effect on the physical world, yes?

Tisha,

Thanks for the response.  I totally agree with you.  My plan is to just tell her (when the time is right) without any expectations of her to accept it.  Again, my main problem is that I think to myself, "OBE's are so mind boggling that I can't imagine ANYONE not wanting to look into them, especially when they are told that they're real."  So naturally, my fear is that if I tell my GF and she isn't really interested, I'm afraid it will make me wonder what kind of spiritual person she is. In other words, if you and I were dating, and you told me that you could breathe underwater, I would think that only an idiot wouldn't want to investigate that phenomenon and look into it further.  Therefore, if I tell my GF something as equally profound (like being able to exist outside of my body), I don't want to involuntarily think of her as an idiot for not expressing extreme interest.  Does that make sense?

Sounds crazy, I know.  Oh well.....I wish for the best in both of our situations.



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Anyone ever read any books by Jane Roberts?  I thought "Seth Speaks" was a good one to make you think!


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Hi Rachel....

I can only speak for myself, but I experience the same thing you do.  Whenever I get out of my body in the RTZ, I usually (not always) find it very tough to move until I am at least 10-15 feet AWAY from my body.  Usually this involves me CRAWLING on the floor outside of my bedroom, where I then stand up, take a few deep (astral) breaths, and get enough energy to move on without any problems.

I have always believed that this "quicksand" and sluggish feeling is due to being in such close proximity to the physical body, which naturally has an attraction to your astral body, much like a magnet.  The farther away you get from it, the less "pull" it may have on you.  But don't worry....no matter how far away from it you travel, it's still right there for you when you have to return.


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Hey there BriMercer....

How about the fear that you are condemning yourself to an eternal punishment for messing around with such things as OBE's?  I know that many people have been indoctrinated into strict, religious belief systems.  Although they feel that OBE's need to be explored, there is also a HUGE burden on them, because they have always been told that these types of experiences are "of the devil."

So I would think a fear worthy of mentioning in your book would be the fear of everlasting condemnation due to some religious indoctrination in the past.

I was a born again Christian who converted my entire family in the not too distant past.  Once I started to have my OBE's a few years ago, this completely changed my way of thinking.  I ended up breaking away from the church and my lifestyle (looking like a fallen backslider), but that didn't stop my family (and sometimes past thoughts) to enter my mind, trying to convince me that Astral Projection was only leading me down the path to hell.   Fortunately, I am a strong person and I try not to be swayed by these alternate points of view, but I have talked to many others who are literally tormented by these thoughts (ex. Am I doing something bad?  I don't want to go to hell for this. etc.).

If you need anything else for your book, I'd be more than happy to help.


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I have noticed that when making the transition from your physical body to an OBE experience, a "popping sound" is something commonly heard during the exit process.  I am not sure if this "POP" is a disconnect, or simply a hypnogogic sound that certain people hear.  In addition to pops, you may hear voices, screams, loud, wind-like noises, or things of that nature.


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Frank....

That sounds all too familiar.  In many of my projections when I found myself in a room with my mom or other family member, I remember communicating with them without thinking, "Hey, I'm talking!  I hear my voice!"  On the contrary, my communication seemed to happen without me taking much notice of it.

However, whenever I experience slurred or faint speech, it's when I am focusing on my voice and how it sounds.  So you said it best by "not thinking about the nitty gritty" actions.  


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Clandestino,

Glad I could help.  If you and your lady ever come to California, you're welcome to stop by my place for a few glasses of home brewed beer!  Cheers....



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Yes, it is possible to project while sitting up, although I am not one of those people who could ever do it.  In order to project, you have to be very relaxed, and I can never get relaxed while sitting (unless I'm on the toilet).

::Hehehe, sorry for the toilet humor. Pun intended!::


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[Originally posted by fallnangel77:]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77:
Jeff Mash, you should tell her if it is something that is important to you and want to be able to share. You should probably not drop it all on her at once. Maybe take a trip to the book store and happen to walk by the metaphysical section. Pick up a book on astral projection and say something about it, like you have been reading some on the subject. See how she reacts. If she reacts negatively try to explain what it is, as her negative reaction is probably out of ignorance.

That's the thing.  She has seen me do this, as well as notice my books on the subject, but like most people, I think she just thinks that I'm interested in this "phenomenon" as an intellectual hobby.  

You want to know what my fear is?  My fear is that something this deep and meaningful to me will simply be discarded by her as "no big deal."  Not that she would say that in a cold way.  It's just that I can imagine telling her about my ability to go OBE< and she would be like, "Wow, that's pretty cool."  And then that's it!  

I guess I would want her to be like, "Holy crap!  Are you serious?  How can I do that?"

Of course, that is expecting too much from my end.  I think I will one day simply say, plain and matter of factly, "This is something I can do."  Then, if she wants to hear more about my experiences, I will be glad to share them.  Otherwise, I shouldn't expect her to understand.  It just makes me wonder sometimes how a soul like mine would end up with someone who I deeply love, and yet, not have them be into these types of spiritual things which I hold so dear to my heart.




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[Originally posted by Tisha:]

quote:Originally posted by Tisha:
I can't bring myself to drink beer or hard liquor, since they have no beneficial health properties to speak of (unless one is trying to gain weight, which I am not).

Tisha...check out this article.  By the way, at one point, I used to hate beer.  Now I have my own microbrewery in my house!

http://www.msnbc.com/news/793342.asp


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Please excuse the language, but this is a humorous piece that I got from one of my subscribers.  I think it speaks for itself regarding some hardcore, fundamental religious folks out there:

This morning there was a knock at my door. When I answered the door I found a well groomed, nicely dressed couple. The man spoke first: "Hi! I'm John, and this is Mary."

Mary: "Hi! We're here to invite you to come kiss Hank's butt with us."

Me: "Pardon me?! What are you talking about? Who's Hank, and why would I want to kiss his butt?"

John: "If you kiss Hank's butt, he'll give you a million dollars; and if you don't, he'll kick the excrement out of you."

Me: "What? Is this some sort of bizarre mob shake-down?"

John: "Hank is a billionaire philanthropist. Hank built this town. Hank owns this town. He can do whatever he wants, and what he wants is to give you a million dollars, but he can't until you kiss his butt."

Me: "That doesn't make any sense. Why..."

Mary: "Who are you to question Hank's gift? Don't you want a million dollars? Isn't it worth a little kiss on the butt?"

Me: "Well maybe, if it's legit, but..."

John: "Then come kiss Hank's butt with us."

Me: "Do you kiss Hank's butt often?"

Mary: "Oh yes, all the time..."

Me: "And has he given you a million dollars?"

John: "Well no, you don't actually get the money until you leave town."

Me: "So why don't you just leave town now?"

Mary: "You can't leave until Hank tells you to, or you don't get the money, and he kicks the excrement out of you."

Me: "Do you know anyone who kissed Hank's butt, left town, and got the million dollars?"

John: "My mother kissed Hank's butt for years. She left town last year, and I'm sure she got the money."

Me: "Haven't you talked to her since then?"

John: "Of course not, Hank doesn't allow it."

Me: "So what makes you think he'll actually give you the money if you've never talked to anyone who got the money?"

Mary: "Well, he gives you a little bit before you leave. Maybe you'll get a raise, maybe you'll win a small lotto, maybe you'll just find a twenty dollar bill on the street."

Me: "What's that got to do with Hank?

John: "Hank has certain 'connections.'"

Me: "I'm sorry, but this sounds like some sort of bizarre con game."

John: "But it's a million dollars, can you really take the chance? And remember, if you don't kiss Hank's butt he'll kick the excrement of you."

Me: "Maybe if I could see Hank, talk to him, get the details straight from him..."

Mary: "No one sees Hank, no one talks to Hank."

Me: "Then how do you kiss his butt?"

John: "Sometimes we just blow him a kiss, and think of his butt. Other times we kiss Karl's butt, and he passes it on."

Me: "Who's Karl?"

Mary: "A friend of ours. He's the one who taught us all about kissing Hank's butt. All we had to do was take him out to dinner a few times."

Me: "And you just took his word for it when he said there was a Hank, that Hank wanted you to kiss his butt, and that Hank would reward you?"

John: "Oh no! Karl's got a letter Hank sent him years ago explaining the whole thing. Here's a copy; see for yourself."
John handed me a photocopy of a handwritten memo on From the desk of Karl letterhead. There were eleven items listed:
1.Kiss Hank's butt and he'll give you a million dollars when you leave town.
2.Use alcohol in moderation.
3.Kick the excrement out of people who aren't like you.
4.Eat right.
5.Hank dictated this list himself.
6.The moon is made of green cheese.
7.Everything Hank says is right.
8.Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.
9.Don't drink.
10.Eat your wieners on buns, no condiments.
11.Kiss Hank's butt or he'll kick the excrement out of you.

Me: "This would appear to be written on Karl's letterhead."

Mary: "Hank didn't have any paper."

Me: "I have a hunch that if we checked we'd find this is Karl's handwriting."

John: "Of course, Hank dictated it."

Me: "I thought you said no one gets to see Hank?"
Mary: "Not now, but years ago he would talk to some people."

Me: "I thought you said he was a philanthropist. What sort of philanthropist kicks the excrement out of people just because they're different?"

Mary: "It's what Hank wants, and Hank's always right."

Me: "How do you figure that?"

Mary: "Item 7 says 'Everything Hanks says is right.' That's good enough for me!"

Me: "Maybe your friend Karl just made the whole thing up."

John: "No way! Item 5 says 'Hank dictated this list himself.' Besides, item 2 says 'Use alcohol in moderation,' Item 4 says 'Eat right,' and item 8 says 'Wash your hands after going to the bathroom.' Everyone knows those things are right, so the rest must be true, too."

Me: "But 9 says 'Don't Drink,' which doesn't quite go with item 2, and 6 says 'The moon is made of green cheese,' which is just plain wrong."

John: "There's no contradiction between 9 and 2, 9 just clarifies 2. As far as 6 goes, you've never been to the moon, so you can't say for sure."

Me: "Scientists have pretty firmly established that the moon is made of rock..."

Mary: "But they don't know if the rock came from the Earth, or from out of space, so it could just as easily be green cheese."

Me: "I'm not really an expert, but I think the theory that the Moon came from the Earth has been discounted. Besides, not knowing where the rock came from doesn't make it cheese."

John: "Aha! You just admitted that scientists make mistakes, but we know Hank is always right!"

Me: "We do?"

Mary: "Of course we do, Item 5 says so."

Me: "You're saying Hank's always right because the list says so, the list is right because Hank dictated it, and we know that Hank dictated it because the list says so. That's circular logic, no different than saying 'Hank's right because he says he's right.'"

John: "Now you're getting it! It's so rewarding to see someone come around to Hank's way of thinking."

Me: "But...oh, never mind. What's the deal with wieners?"

Mary blushes. John says: "Wieners, in buns, no condiments. It's Hank's way. Anything else is wrong."

Me: "What if I don't have a bun?"

John: "No bun, no wiener. A wiener without a bun is wrong."

Me: "No relish? No Mustard?"

Mary looks positively stricken. John shouts: "There's no need for such language! Condiments of any kind are wrong!"

Me: "So a big pile of sauerkraut with some wieners chopped up in it would be out of the question?"

Mary sticks her fingers in her ears: "I am not listening to this. La la la, la la, la la la."

John: "That's disgusting. Only some sort of evil deviant would eat that..."

Me: "It's good! I eat it all the time."

Mary faints. John catches her: "Well, if I'd known you where one of those I wouldn't have wasted my time. When Hank kicks the excrement out of you I'll be there, counting my money and laughing. I'll kiss Hank's butt for you, you bunless cut-wienered kraut-eater."

With this, John dragged Mary to their waiting car, and sped off.


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
It's like, at first, people can have difficulty getting their Astral sight. With me, I had sight alright, but I struggled for ages to develop speech and hearing (perhaps the two are linked).

Frank...funny you say that.  I never really thought about it, but I believe that I am in that same phase now!  I can usually hear alright, but sometimes when I try to "talk", no volume comes out of my mouth.  My last projection involved me SHOUTING at the top of my lungs until my voice slowly came into pitch!  

I think, like my astral site, that it's all just a matter of relaxing and letting it come without exuding much effort.  If you calmly focus on it, we should find that these senses are already in perfect order without us trying to "make" them work.

At least, that is what I found out in dealing with my early astral site problems.  When I "tried" to see, I had problems.  However, when I relaxed in the darkness and told myself, "Ok, I expect to see something soon", then the scene would gradually take focus and I would be free to roam around.



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[Originally posted by Avix:]

quote:Originally posted by Avix:
1.   When did you start having OOE's? (i.e. age)

I started to consciously have them suddenly at the age of 23.  I am turning 27 now.

quote:
2.  Did your experiences start spontaneously or were you taught/teach yourself?

A little of both.  My first experience happened after I put down reading a Robert Monroe book.  I wasn't expecting it to happen.  It just did.  Since then, I have practiced this skill, trying to refine it so that they occur more frequently.

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2.  How often do you have OOE's? (i.e. once a week, once a month, once a few months with difficulty, whenever you want.)

I would say that my average is once every 2 weeks.  Sometimes longer depending on the dry spells.

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3.  When is the best time of day for you to perform OOE's?(i.e. First waking up, before bed)

For me, it's usually in the wee hours of the morning after I have been asleep for many hours.

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4.  Do you lay down or sit in a chair while performing OOE's?

I always lay down.  I can't get comfortable while sitting.

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5.  How long does it take you from initiating a trance to projection-exit that becomes OOE?

All of my OBE's happen spontaneously.  In other words, I do a lot of meditation and trance exercises when I lay down.  Then, I usually fall asleep and snap back to conscious awareness sometime later.  It's almost as if I set up the environment to project, and then hope that it happens shortly afterwards.  While most of my projections happen after I have been asleep many hours, I have had a few that are triggered after sleeping for less than a minute.

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6.  How long does your OOE's last?

I would say that my average experience is under 5 minutes.  I'm still working on improving this.


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I would say on 90% of my projections, I am in the RTZ.  There is ALWAYS at least a little struggle with me to "behave" when I am in this carefree environment.  For example, I am always thinking to myself, "Hmmm...I wonder what my cute neighbor is doing right now.  Showering perhaps?"

I then have to fight these thoughts off for two reasons.  One, because I know that this is not the best way to utilize my time when I am out.  Second, because I know that I would therefore be projecting for all the wrong reasons, and probably slow down my progress in astral travelling.

Not to mention, getting sexual with people in the astral has always killed my experience by getting me too excited (fast heart beat, etc) and I return to the physical body shortly thereafter.


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I had to laugh at that article, and about halfway down, I got tired of reading it.  First of all, it's damn near difficult to PROVE an OBE.  It's one of those things that become painfully obvious to the projector, but hard to convince the non-projector.  Just because you can't prove it to someone else, does that make it not real?  It's like trying to show a blind person what "blue" looks like.  You can describe it all you want, but they will never really KNOW.

I also liked how they say, "So-and-so had an OBE, and this person is the foremost authority on OBE's.  This person admits that when she had her OBE, she was stoned."

I'm paraphrasing, since I only skimmed, but so many people base all of their beliefs on this type of crap, including me.  When I was younger and highly indoctrinated into the church, I felt that OBE's were initiated by the devil.  Why?  Because I heard of another religious person who had one and this is what they said.  Likewise, to think that ALL OBE's are hallucinations caused by drugs because this happened to one person is a gross assumption.

Bottom line.....I do OBE's for me and me only.  I am currently in the hard position of trying to decide if I should tell my girlfriend about them.  They are a HUGE part of my life, but even though we have been together for 3 years (and currently live together), she is completely in the dark about my experiences.





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It's NOT random.  If you look at the source code for the page, it is clearly a javascript function which is hardcoded to spit out certain values.  This is just someone's unique interpretation based on calculations as to what your past life is.  Take it with a grain of salt.


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