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Luca, I agree with Frank.  What you were experiencing is what many people here experience all the time.  The key is that if you want to have a full OBE, you must get over your fear.  Fear is one of the number one things that hold people back from having a truly wonderful experience.

If you can get over your fear and relax into the vibrations, you will find that your astral body will naturally disconnect a little from your physical body.  Then simply use an exit technique (roll out, sit up, etc) to leave the area and explore this other amazing reality.


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Amcturbo....congratulations on your experience, and thanks for sharing it with us.  My first OBE only had me getting halfway out of my body too...and even now, after hundreds of them, I get the occasional "stuck torso" syndrome which prevents me from getting fully out.  Kinda frustrating, but an experience nontheless!


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Welcome to the board.  We are a friendly bunch of people here, so if you ever have any questions, just feel free to ask!  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>



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I'm sorry that I can't help you, since most of the entities I have seen while "out" appear to be normal, human people.  I have yet to see any hooded figures, but I do want to thank you for sharing that experience.  I know you said you weren't scared, but if I saw a 7 foot being standing in front of my door, I would probably poop three shades of green.

I wonder if it's morphing was a way of tranforming into a figure that was less intimidating?  Or perhaps the different shapes that it took were representative of it's past life experiences (German pilot, etc.)


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[Originally posted by Leyla:]

quote:Originally posted by Leyla:
Anyone else encounter extreem nausia and dizziness while out of body? Anyone encounter it and fix it? I'd like some helpful hints.

I wouldn't say "Severe", but sometimes I feel symptoms like you described.  This usually happens under two different circumstances for me.

1) Right as I am trying to exit my body, it can be dark, and I feel an onslaught of rushing air.  Sometimes this experience can be very disorientating, especially if you don't have any astral site.

2) Once I am out, even with site, my head sometimes feels weird.  I feel as if I were to move it too fast, I would lose control and return to the body, so I end up moving it very slow and calculated.

Usually when I feel like this, I try and remain CALM, and increase my energy by breathing and mentality demanding more "Clarity" throughout the experience.  This usually grounds me enough to continue on without distraction.



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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:
The technique needed to travel long distances, i.e. to travel through what we call Space and end up on another planet or moon: is to travel to wherever you want to go within the Astral. Then, once you reach the target, slip into the RT-zone. Whereupon you will be able to observe the physical surroundings of that planet or moon, in exactly the same way you can on this planet when projecting into the RT zone.

Frank, why is that?  Why do you suggest that we travel in the astral realm to a location, and then switch to the RT zone?  Is it because if we travelled that distance only in the RT zone, it would take too long and/or be disorientating?  And once we travel somewhere in the astral, what key things do you do in order to switch back to the RT zone (while still maintaining your location)?



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[Originally posted by Gandalf:]

quote:Originally posted by Gandalf:
Jeff, Your lunar obe sounds good though, try checking for the old landing grounds on the sea of tranquility next time... that would be great!

Regards,
Douglas

Douglas, yeah, I always wanted to do that!  Maybe someday....


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[Originally posted by clandestino:]

quote:Originally posted by clandestino:
Jeff, if i could project , I'd join you in a bit of moon hovering, it sounds like a laugh !!

It actually scared the tinkle out of me, because it was so dark and ominous.  Up until that point, I always wanted to explore the surface of the moon.  However, looking at it a few miles above the surface on a new moon, it was pretty freaky!




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Whenever I use the term "Astral sight", I am referring to the ability to see without using your physical eyes.  Sometimes, that means you are seeing behind your closed eyelids while you are lying in bed.  Other times, that means what I am seeing as I have my OBE.  In other words, anything that I see while having an OBE (or close to having one) is astral sight (as opposed to physical sight).

Just my two cents.


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[Originally posted by UncleSam:]

quote:Originally posted by UncleSam:
Should I attempt a Lucid Dream before Astral Projection?

I don't know.  I have always just strived for astral projection, but I am content with whatever happens.  

quote:
How will I know it when I am in the process of leaving my body?

Well for me, I just KNOW.  I feel myself peeling out of my skin like a banana.  You may not see anything right away, so don't think that you have to see something in order to have an OBE.  One of my biggest frustrations for my first 10 or so OBE's was that I wasn't able to see.  I had to feel around in order to judge where I was going.  It wasn't until I quit trying to do it myself and let my sight come to me naturally that I started to see clearly.

Once you get your astral site, you may not always be able to see a lot of differences, especially if its dark or if you're in the real time zone.  I know with me, I usually have to thrust my arm through a wall or something in order to fully convince myself that I am out of body.

quote:
What does the astral world "feel" like?

I mostly travel in the real time zone, and it feels a lot like this one.  Except the air is fresher!  It also feels funny when I try to walk...almost like my feet are asleep and I am walking on stumps.

quote:
Will I know I am in the astral world just because I can fly or will I know because of how real it is on top of how I can fly?  By real I mean taste, smell, hearing... all of the senses.  

Both.  Things may seem different, but you will also know if you fly or pass through otherwise solid objects.

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Covers or no covers?

When I am in  a trance state does it matter if I have the bed covers over me?  Should I be laying down?  Sitting up?  

I usually have some sort of cover on me.  If it's too hot, then maybe a sheet.  You don't want anything too heavy or restrictive.

quote:
Fan in the room?

Will it matter if I have a fan in the room that puts air on my physical body?  It is kind of a distraction but my room does tend to get VERY hott at night.  But I can deal without it if I have to.    

I always have a fan in my room.  The key is that you don't want to be too distracted with anything.  Distractions can take away from your focus and lose your OBE experience.  If you feel like a fan is hindering you, I would stop using one.  


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[Originally posted by fallnangel77:]

quote:Originally posted by fallnangel77:
I have not heard about a planet x, but I have heard that the magnetic poles look like they might shift sometime. I saw a show on this a few years ago. It said if this does happen it will screw up all of our electrical devices. Can you imagine what would happen? I know people that get ticked when the cable goes out, I do not know how they would lived if this happened.

Screw cable!  What would I do without my computer and the Internet?!?!




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[Originally posted by Patty:]

quote:Originally posted by Patty:
That sounded more blunt than I intended. I just need to go within for a while. Maybe a month. Getting too addicted to the computer, it happens.

Patty

Alright Patty...I will truly miss you, but I'll wait for your return with open astral arms!  Hope you find what you're looking for (within).


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:


Okay, I am fairly certain that what you have described is pretty much the same as I have taught myself to do as a result of slowing down my normal projection process.

You say, "When I lock onto an image like that, I almost get pulled into it."

That's what you need to do, allow yourself to mentally step into it and you should find yourself standing within the Astral rather than the RT-zone. Your Astral body and the Astral have a biomagnetic attraction that's why you feel the pull.

Yours,
Frank

Ahhh, I think I know what you're saying now.  In other words, when I feel that pull, instead of focusing back to my physical room where I usually project to, just "go" where I am being pulled and see where it takes me.  Right?

Now I am all excited to try this and see what happens!  I only hope I can do it without simply projecting to my room, which is what I have been accustomed to doing these past 4 years.

Thanks for the advice.  I really look forward to all your posts, Frank.



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Well, I know for me, sometimes it is tough to maintain lucidity in my OBE's, simply because most of us have been programmed to let our awareness drift off and simply fall asleep.  It has taken me some effort to maintain control and not let myself:

a) Drift off to sleep
b) Get too excited and lose the experience

However, once I am OBE and I'm charged up with a high amount of energy, I can usually interact and function without much effort.  It's only once I get out that I have to increase my clarity and lucidity to a certain point.  Once I reach that point, I freely move around and start my journey.


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You bring up a good point.  All I know is that in one of my OBE's last year, I was hovering above the face of the moon for a minute or so, and it was just as real as it was for me to be OBE and walking around my bedroom.

Like FallenAngel said, I'm also a bit hesistant to think that the earth's magnetic field would keep us within it's orbit.  I am interested to hear what others have to say.  Good topic!


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[Originally posted by ralphm:]

quote:Originally posted by ralphm:
Jeff, do you experience reality fluctuations?Sounds almost like you don't. RB says to go through a doorthat is in the wrong place or into a fluctuation and you will go to the astral.

Ralph,

I don't really experience any of those.  Everything *usually* looks the same as the physical environment.  However, sometimes when things look slightly different, it doesn't really register that strongly with me.  For example, if I project into my kitchen and my refridgerator is on the wrong side of the wall, I might simply say to myself, "Hmmmm...that's odd" and then keep doing what I'm doing.  I still know that it's my kitchen, so I don't think anything of it.



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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:


In order to give you some pointers, what I need to know is your step-bt-step methodology that leads you projecting into your room. With a little change to that, you should be able to project directly into the Astral in a controlled way.

I know absolutely what you mean by travelling at high speed. It's too hit and miss. I used to do this all the time. It was only when I came across Astral Dynamics and this BBS that I began working on slowing things down.

Yours,
Frank

Well Frank, my methodology to my OBE's are not that hard.  I simply lay down on my back, and do some breathing exercises.  I try to clear my mind, while at the same time, focus on the images that I see before me.  Usually at some point, there is an image or a point of view that I can focus on which becomes almost three dimensional.  When I lock onto an image like that, I almost get pulled into it.  This movement brings my awareness back to my body, but doesn't break my trance.  It is then that I am able to project.

Once I am in this state of awareness, I instincively know that I am still in my room.  So when I get up and walk (and usually feel around until I get my sight), I am feeling familiar surroundings in my house.

I'm not sure how else to break down my mrthodology, but I hope that gives you some insight as to how  I start off.

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Risu,

As for me, I never have strong vibrations.  In fact, sometimes it simply feels like my body is numb all over, and I slip right out of it.  If I think about it, then I will feel a constant, steady vibration happening, but it's nothing violent like a car crash or anything.  

I think it depends on the individual.  Some people have such a turbulent case of vibes that it freaks them out.  I have never had an unpleasant experience.


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Congratulations!  There is nothing like having an OBE, huh?  It's even better when you have one after going through a dry spell for so long!


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Hmmm...almost sounds like you picked up on something that her subsconscious was communicating.  It kind of reminds me how someone close to you will act bothered about something.  If you ask them, "Hey, what's bothering you?", they usually reply, "Nothing.  Nothing at all."  

Well, since you were projecting at the time, you witnessed that they really were sad and wanted you to just comfort them, even though they never physically said such a thing.  At least that is what I picked up from that account.


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[Originally posted by Frank:]

quote:Originally posted by Frank:



That's the problem with the RT-zone, once the novelty wears off it can become a little boring. I only learned to project to the RT-zone fairly recently, after having had hundreds of true-Astral adventures. It's nothing compared to the Astral, where you are free to interact with all kinds of resident entities.

Basically, you need to learn to project directly to the Astral. If you give me a detailed rundown of your normal projection process I could probably give you some pointers.

Yours,
Frank

Frank,

Basically, I always project in my room, although I never have sight right away.  I have to get out of my room, into the hallway, and then it kicks in.  That is usually the case with all my OBE's, so I find myself in my house, and then I have no idea what to do.  There is always the "urge" to sneak into a neighbors house and see what I can see, but even in the astral, that feels so trivial, so I usually stray away from doing that.

If you need to know anything else about my experiences, just ask and I'd be glad to share.



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[Originally posted by alpha:]

quote:Originally posted by alpha:
Ive used that method flying as fast as you can,Once you go past a certain speed on the real time.Eveything will start to blurr and you will end up in an astral realm.I actually tried to go to japan and this is what happened to me.I ended up in a great place either wayhttp://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

You know what happens with me?  Let's say that like you, I wanted to go to Japan.  I would start flying SUPER FAST, and in mid flight, my mind goes, "Wow, I am travelling so fast, there is no way in hell that Japan is this far out there!  I should have been there by now.  Where in the hell am I going?"  As you can guess, my heart starts beating fast because of this, and I get tugged back into my body!


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[Originally posted by Adrian:]

quote:Originally posted by Adrian:
If I remember, he finally solved it by picking a point on the horizon, and blasting off towards it as fast as he could.

Sometimes it resulted blasting into outer space, but generally eventually resulted in a dimensional/vibrational shift to the Astral.

I should try that when I get out again.  I found myself in space one time, probably a few miles above the moons surface.  The thing was HUGE and dark.  I had a very empty feeling and a little fear came over me, because it was just this huge rock in the midst of black darkness.  I turned around and looked at the earth below me, and that was very beautiful.

I guess I have a little fear of shooting off into space, because the one time I was there, it was very lonely!  I guess the key would be not to stop, but keep going past the fear threshold.

quote:
Some people have/had (Frank?) the converse problem, and project straight to the Astral and not the "real-time zone". I believe it depends on how you exit - i.e. from a waking consciousness/trance/relaxed state, or from a hypnopombic state, e.g. when waking up early in the morning with mind semi-awake, body asleep.

I almost ALWAYS (90-95% of the time) exit right from where my physical body is laying.  So I always find myself in my room, and move out from there.  Even when I went on vacation, I projected out from where I was sleeping in  a tent!  Only a couple times have I gotten out, started flying around in a black void, and then ended up somewhere farther away than my physical body was located.

quote:
I suggest you read Roberts treatise on OBE downloadable from the file library.

I read those back in the day when he first wrote them.  When I get some time, I will have to re-read them again.

Thanks for the response.



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[Originally posted by ralphm:]

quote:Originally posted by ralphm:
It sounds like you are in the real time zone-to get the astral you need to do some of the things RB talks about in his book. I usually head in a upward direction and have approached the astral.My experiences have been somewhat limited so i do not have a real good goal of what to do either.Some one before mentioned to ask your higher self or guides for direction before obeing which i have done once and thought it helped.

Maybe I'll try that Ralph.  My only problem is that in the past, whenever I have travelled at fast speeds, I lose my vision, become disorientated, and ultimately lose control.  So now whenever I am out, I usually try to stay on the ground and take things slow, because I am afraid (?) that I will end the experience too soon.  Hmmmmm....I never thought I was scared of anything while out, but perhaps that is a passive fear I have which is hindering me - the fear of losing the experience!

Thanks for the reply.




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[Originally posted by Ashfo:]

quote:Originally posted by Ashfo:
This happens everytime...

Whenever I get some really good sensations going (falling, rolling out, rope, whatever) I usually find that I hold my breath. The second I start breathing again it like "pulls" me back to my body and because I was holding my breath it means I start breathing heavily = more awake.

I know what you mean.  Often times, I am brought back when I become aware of my breathing.  However, I don't think that I was actually holding my breath.  I think I am just so deep in a trance state that I no longer am aware of my breathing.  Then, at some point, the thought occurs to me, "Hey, am I still breathing?  Because I don't feel/hear it!"  Suddenly I realize that I AM breathing, and my focus is back on my body again.

It really sucks, but I don't think you've actually held your breath....your focus just shifts elsewhere and it only seems like your breathing has stopped.



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