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I have only had one false awakening that I can recall. I got up and spend the 10 - 20 minutes getting ready for work when suddenly I woke up to the alarm going off. I was a little confused, then disappointed that I wasted that time getting ready instead of going off and exploring, then upset that I had to do it all again.

Black, White, blah, can't we all just get along? []

quote:but i always feel drained after any kind of sex, be it astral or otherwise

You need to learn to cultivate your energy so you do not expel it and become so drained.

quote:Your posting however has imidiately been accepted as "real" and you as being a reliable channel.

Just to clarify, I have never accepted anything in this thread as being real. I do not accept it as real nor unreal. It just is. It merely interests me because of the experience. I take no part in any war, be it between any god and devil, angels and demons, astral entities, aliens, or humans.

I do not know, nor do I really care. I worship no one and nothing, though I do try to respect all. When I need to know it will be made known to me. Until then it must not be very important. If any creator or god(s) wished to be worshipped, it seems to me that such a being(s) would make it perfectly clear that they wanted to be worshipped and there would be no room for debate. But what would something so powerful need to be worshipped for? I can understand loved and respected, but not worshipped. So I try to love and respect all creation, which is the only contact that I know of to any creator if such a thing should exist. If it does, then maybe it will be happy that I love and respect it's creation. If it does not exist then atleast I am happy loving and respecting creation and hopefully that brings about happiness and love in others, which seems to be the most important thing anyway.

Animals are much more than what most people give them credit for. They are more than just instinct, they have their own intelligence and thoughts. I have read many accounts of people meeting animals in the astral, be it those who have passed on or those that appear to just be projecting. I do not know if they can do it consciously or not but I do believe they can find themselves in the astral. So do not discredit what our animal brothers and sisters of capable of.

As for contact, I think it well could have been your dog. I do not know if he could speak English on any plane, but you may have interrupted it as English. Communication on other planes is not really verbal, I do not think, but telepathic. So you can understand what the person is trying to say reguardless of language, assuming you can understand what they are trying to express to you.

Here is my experience, now that I have more time to type it out.

I was laying down on my bed meditating when I felt in contact with the astral. I am not sure how to describe it exactly because I was fully aware of my physical body and yet my astral body at the same time. I was looking into darkness when this ring appeared. It seemed to be an entrance to a world. I was curious so I went to check it out, never actually leaving contact with the physical. The ring drifted closer and as I looked into it everything inside was distorted. It is really hard to discribe. It was kind of like looking through a collection of drops of water. I felt confusion coming from it and the more I looked and the closer I got to it the more confused I felt. I was never afraid, but very curious about it. As I was about to "step" out of my physical body and into the ring a voice told me "You are not ready" and I stopped. I was actually freaked out because that was the first time I ever heard anyone talk to me. I am not sure who it was, but I do think that I was not ready for that area because it is pretty clear to me that I would have allowed the confusion to quickly over take me once inside and the experience would have been short lived. Much better experience having brief contact with some ... thing I think.

I think this could be a good idea.

Sex is just a tool, it is what you make of it. It can be bonding or not, depending on the people involved. It can be a very powerful tool. "The need to be pure before doing anything of the sort...or isn't it black magic?" I really do not understand what you mean by pure. You get out what you put in. If you are mean, hateful, lustful you will increase such things by combining them with sexual energy. If you are loving and seeking closer communication then you will get this. If you use sexual energy for other things then so be it. Who is to say that one use is better than another? It is up to those involved.

quote:It makes sense to say that very few people are ever ready for relationships, by simply looking at divorce rate.

But you can look at it another way too. Granted divorce can be a painful thing, but on one had it is the end to one path and the start of another. These people could well have had a great experience and learned much during their marriage, but at some point found that they needed to part ways to best continue their own growth.

I usually lay down.

quote:Originally posted by T_Kman0610

what if you fall in love with this beautiful (Woman) and dont have sex but you kiss and everything and than it turns out they are a man!
Note: im talkin about when u AP. i wouldnt star at another woman being in the astral world again.

There is no true gender in the astral, but what we project our sex to be. So one minute you can be male, the next female, and the next neither or both. Just like you can project how you want to look in the astral. Most people probably project a similar appearance on the astral to what they look like, or see themself as, on the physical just out of habit. You can look like a wolf, dragon, or whatever if you wish as the astral is more flexible than the physical. So what I am saying is, it does not really matter. Atleast this is my opinion.

quote:Can I be of some assistance?

Yes, if you can tell us generally what sufism is and recommend books. []

quote:Originally posted by kakkarot

all those who think that God doesn't promote war have evidentally forgotten about all the nations He *ordered* to be EXTERMINATED, right down to the women and children, the old and the sick. genocide of nations, ordered by God Himself... if you believe the bible [|)]

or what about the people whom God Himself has killed outright? like the guy who touched the Ark of the Covenant...

~kakkarot

Good point. I really do not understand it. God gives the Hebrews the command "Thou shall not kill", then turns around and says, "Ok, now you need to kill everyone in these nations, yes, I said wipe them out completely." So is it any wonder why people are so confused over "Holy Wars".

quote:To all I say: FIELD TRIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's crash someone's house. Next SUMMER. When it's WARM.

I am sure Gandalf has plenty of room, right? lol

quote:And this is going to sound really smart, but are there still wolves in either Ireland or Scotland? We in the US, of course, have been doing our best to wipe them out here.

We have bears and wolves in TN, atleast I think we have wolves. I have never seen any but I think I have had contact with a wolf/dog mix once. I know we have bears because I have seen them before. If you hang out in the Smokey Mountains you are bound to see a bear or two. Who is trying to wipe out wolves and bears here? No kangaroos though. I guess you have to go to Scotland for that. lol Now that would be something if kangaroos become common in Scotland.

There are a few things I would suggest doing before you project. Definately meditate. I think this is very important and I have projected many times not by actually trying to but only by meditating. Learn to control your thoughts and emotions. Pay attention to them during the day and try to keep them under control. Don't let your mind wonder all over the place during the day. When you notice it doing this bring it back to what you are doing and concentrate on this. It is much easier to learn to control your thoughts and emotions on the physical than have to deal with it on the astral when it can really be in your face and overwhelming. Also at night when you are going to sleep, try to stay conscious as long as you can. Don't try to stay awake, just try to stay conscious as you fall asleep and notice how it feels to go to sleep. Start practicing Robert Bruce's NEW enegy development system.

quote:At one point she does say that this is 'our planet, not yours it never was.'

True, she does refer to it as "our planet" at times, but there are other times when she says "your planet", maybe just once or twice. I just find the inconsistancy odd as a native to this planet would not think of it as another's planet and not their's. Though I do not think that this originally took place in English, it does not read like English was the original language. So the error could be on the part of the interpretor or the auther.

Van-Stolin, interesting link. I read both parts. She says the "Reptile" race evolved on Earth, so why does the reptile woman refer to Earth as "your planet" instead of our planet. It reminds of of fictional stories written by Brian Lumley about subterrain Reptile races.

Tayesin, interesting experience. I wonder what message you told them, or do you remember? Get both sides of the story before you choose sides. []

Aliens ... wars ... hmm ... well ok ...

quote:But, really, I have no experience or knowledge of Mithraism, so I cannot debate it. But I have yet to see anyone get anything past the guys on the site above, in about 2 and half years of debating along side of them. Of course, it would always amuse me if someone did.

First, understand that what I am about to say is in no way directed at the site you have refered to because I have not read any of it other than the mentioned post so I do not know it well enough to say any such thing about it.

To someone or a group that is biased and does not wish to truly explore for truth but instead keep their ideas as they are, it is impossible to get any other ideas by them. I have seen many people and groups like this in real life and on the net. This is probably even more so when it comes to religion though it can be about anything. This makes looking for good information a major headache as it seems most sources are bluntly biased one way or another.

Thank you, everyone, for the replies.

I agree, physical health is important. The physical body may be temporary compared to the spiritual body(ies), but a healthy physical body will allow you a much more pleasant and enjoyable experience while you are on the physical. A healthy body will also aid the spiritual by making you feel better, relieveing stress, allowing you to better concentrate, and more. If the phsyical body was not important then we would not have one.

Just doing some light exercises for 30 minutes every other day will give you a big improvement over doing nothing.

Maybe your memory is not so good, beavis. hehe I have never heard of a change being permenant, or text in a book changing. Could be a real benefit to the governments if the world becomes like it does in 1984. How big was the change?

quote:Why do you think your change was temporary and mine wasnt?

It could be that your change was on a nonliving thing and her's effected something that is living and conscious. Possibly you just move the ink which would not be as drastic as making a cat look younger.

Is Yoga anything like Tai Chi? I have done some basic Tai Chi, but not Yoga. What is a good source to learn Yoga?

You could say I am some what a natural projector. I had projected to the Astral before I knew what it was, so you could say that is natural ability. When I learned about astral projection and started trying to do it, it took me about 2 - 3 weeks to consciously project. Since that time I have been off and on in my practice. Usually after I have gone awhile without and start back, it takes make around 2 weeks to be able to do it again. But I cannot do it at will, though I think that it is possible if one practices and learns enough.

As others have said, it seems that in order to project you need to reach a state where you are not really trying to project. I think I have had the most success when I had the desire to project but was not trying at the time. Usually when I am only meditating or doing energy work I will suddenly feel like I can project. When one reaches this point I think it is very important not to get excited but instead just go with it. Learn to let go and just go with it. I think the biggest problem people have is that they try too hard and are not able to just fall into a projection, so to to speak.

Edit: I do not know what happened in the first paragraph, maybe I was still asleep when I wrote it, but I appologies to those that actually read it. I have corrected it now.

quote:Your a single person, you meet a hot attractive mate but you find out he/she has a STD and you yourself do not. Would you:

A. Have sex with her and get STD?

It would depend on the hot attractiveness to curability of the STD ratio. []

But seriously, first, I have learned that looks matter little even when it comes to sex. If you truly wish to experience the great depths of magic of sex then you have to go beyond form. Being too strongly attached to form while exploring the spirit realms can hinder your progress, atleast in my opinion. Though I would say this is true on the physical as well. I don't think you ment anything by this and were just trying to make a point. []


If this is an issue for anyone then I would suggest learning to control and cultivate your sexual energy. I suspect that those that feed off sexual energy target those that throw out their energy anyway, so all they are really doing is feeding off something you usually throw away. Learning to keep your energy within yourself will be of great benefit to you for many reasons, one most likely being to keep those that wish to only feed off you away. (Though this is only theory, but it makes sense to me.) If an entity wishes to share energy for mutual benefit then controling your energy will help a lot in this area as well.

Welcome, Ari! I am sorry but I do not know anything about LBRP, but I think we can all understand where you are coming from in looking for your path. If magic is your interest then be sure to look in the Magic section of the forum.

quote:And I'm sure everyone has some amount of bias in terms of what they think is a negative influence in their life.

None of us like what we find unpleasurable in our lives, but it is through the "negative" things that we can learn and grow a considerable amount. If it aids us on our path, is it truly a negative thing?

I hope you enjoy the forums.

I had a similar experience as well, but it was a voice and not a sign that told me I was not ready. But it was implying that I was not ready for a certain area and not astral projection in general. No time to give details now.

If you are questioning your beliefs I think Robert Bruce has a good article on this. Look on the main page, www.astralpulse.com for a link to it.