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A tingly feeling I've always associated with energy movement - the 'vibrations' are unmistakable. It feels like a thousand volts is running through every cell in my body - my ears fill with a roaring sound too. Sometimes other sensations accompany them - such as feeling as if gravity has flipped and so I have a reversed vertigo, or as if my mind has been smeared diagonally across an incomprehensible distance.
There are precursors to vibrations for me, if I enter them from a sleepy state – I feel a heaviness cover me – it's like a strong sinking feeling pulling my mind down – not totally comfortable. If I don't fight it I will end up in a 'thick' sleep paralysis with vibrations.
If I'm awake and attempting to induce vibrations, immediately before they appear it's like my mind focuses to a point – a feeling of energy/excitation continually building is felt throughout my body and the darkness beyond my eyes changes – it seems 3d. The best way for me to describe it is like an eye looking at a large area, not really seeing any detail, then suddenly it focuses on one area of vision – making it clear and lucid to the exclusion of all else. If this state is maintained then the vibrations kick in (they seem to have a different quality to the ones felt through sleep paralysis/near sleep).

Yes, spirits can lie about their identity, but they can't hide their true energies.
The feelings you get from a spirit's energies can't be faked. In other words, they might be able to lie about who they are, but they can't disguise what they are.
That's why its so important to learn to use and trust your intuition - it's the ultimate lie detector - both for physical and non physical.


James.

Why can't they be faked? It's possible to shield energy, or parts of energy to change the 'feel'. I've had experience with only showing parts of an overall energy patern, hence radically changing perception of a being - cannot spirits do this to if humans are capable of it?

"There do exist enquiring minds, which long for the truth of the heart, seek it, strive to solve the problems set by life, try to penetrate to the essence of things and phenomena and to penetrate into themselves. If a man reasons and thinks soundly, no matter which path he follows in solving these problems, he must inevitably arrive back at himself, and begin with the solution of the problem of what he is himself and what his place is in the world around him."

That quote near encapsulates many of my beliefs/self discoveries

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On two occasions I have experienced quite powerful kundalini risings - both of these were unintentional and came on quite suddenly.
One occasion was during a period of my life when I was doing a lot of energy work and meditation, the second rising was during a period of fasting and regular meditation. The second rising was much more powerful than the first (and much scarier – for a while I was convinced someone had somehow slipped me some form of drug – as the onset was rapid and very powerful – it remained so for many hours).
Both of these raisings happened during the time I was at university – and I personally didn't notice any long term detrimental effects on my mind or memory.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/weekly/aa100400a.htm

It's sent

The deeper into trance I have been, the slower time seems to go (or the slower I can make it go). On one occasion time was so slow I actually started to get worried.

Hello MisterJingo

Thank you for your comment.

I have to admit my ignorance.... what is the voyager mailing list? Is this linked to TMI membership?

It's not officially endorsed by TMI - but its the closest thing to an official group. Many people there are members, attend TMI courses, or have done so in the past. So it is centred around TMI and their teachings.
If you're interested i'll PM you the URL.

I have seen myself in bed whilst OBE, it was one of the only times I have seen the fabled 'cord'. Which looked like a faintly luminous green (hose) pipe.
The few times I have looked into a mirror while OBE I seem to be naked - I've also seen people over my shoulder too (who are in the mirror but not actually behind me).

Hi Eagle of Light. Thank you for such an interesting post
Have you thought about joining the voyager mailing list? The majority of people there regularly attend TMI exercises and so share their knowledge and experiences of them.
It's an interesting place.

I agree with migs. You first need to see your true nature – that you are the sum of every experience you have been apart of to-date. Everything you see yourself to be has been built from 'external' knowledge,
So look at yourself. Look at your desires, beliefs, predijucies, likes, dislikes, and see where they really came from. Are they simply learnt from a young age, or the result of learnt knowledge? Pull everything part and rebuild yourself on a level of personal knowledge.
People take too much for granted, they think they know themselves – yet a lot of their knowledge is based on unknowns. How much of a persons belief is based on such things as 'souls', 'mind', 'consciousness', 'sub-consciousness' etc? And how much more knowledge and belief structures are built upon these concepts and beliefs? And how much do people know about these things other than at 3rd hand knowledge gained from others and books?
What I am getting at is that most people have an entire outlook and personality built upon unknown preconceptions. They will argue and say they know such things- but unless one brushes aside what they think they know and try and truly discover what these things are to them personally (which might take a form which words cannot be attached to) they will never truly know themselves. Ego hates being wrong and so will say this is nonsense – and it will continue to be lost.
Seeking truth (which seems to be relative) is a long process, but one which is infinitely rewarding – although it can be scary at times.
Good luck!

Hi Billion,

Thanks for the thought out post. I agree with everything you said. In my past I didn't require anything more than level one proof. I was pretty open with my experiences and have spent many years arguing my point to complete sceptics. Perhaps having to argue my experiences in a more objective manner has led me to seek a greater proof for myself. And perhaps I read too many scientific journals and so try to squeeze all my experiences into such a frame work.
I'm also perhaps slightly guilty of being argumentative, and coming across more a sceptic in my posts then I actually am It's a bad habit of mine  

I sort of agree with the direction that astral dynamics has taken. Although from my own experiences there it seems to be a minority that dominate that forum with the neg and defence posts. I sometimes post against all the talk of neg attacks but most don't want to listen to alternative theories so I've mostly given up on that. I've actually noticed many people from here posting there under the same or a different name.

I agree totally with Major Tom about using ones own mind and experiences. I would say that a persons life experiences to a degree dictates the philosophies a person follows. The things which work for them will potentially not work for others, or if they do, they might not be as effective.

Ancient people were complete dumbasses. they believed any and EVERYTHING. we have scientists now.

Science is by no means a modern phenomenon.  It's just as much a belief system as anything, and like all belief systems, it changes over time.  Yesterday's science is today's folklore, superstition, magic, and mysticism... and yet it has paved the way for all subsequent sciences.  Why should we think that today's science won't go the same way?  If anything, today's science constantly makes us aware of how much we don't, and probably can't understand using science as we know it.  I think that's probably a major reason most of us are here.  Personally I think science and mysticism are going to merge again, and when that happens, we'll find an immense wellspring of knowledge at our disposal.

And mythology shouldn't be sneered at either---I hope no one thought I was writing off Leyla's experience by discussing it in mythological terms.  I believe mythology and its archetypes are the Universal Language and Universal Memory.  Don't tell me it's just coincidence that throughout space and time, there are so many common mythological traditions.  Or that quite a lot of modern "sci-fi" and "fantasy" bears resemblance to ancient mythology?  Personally, I do alot of mythography myself--all my writing is heavily mythographical.  Connecting to, relating to, and self-expressing mythology is extremely powerful and ought not be a thing of the past.  Yeah, my writing would be considered fantasy, but it's much more than that to me.

The psychology of symbolism and mythology suggest their great import for human nature and the mind.  Perhaps we should try to push it into genetics and other "real" sciences.  Like I said, that's beyond me (for now, anyway)... but that doesn't mean it's beyond everyone.

Hey Mrs. Murphy,

Could you please provide me with some links or resources to this evidence against evolution and genetic mutation? I'm genuinely curious. Years ago in A level biology I did experiments on fruit flies which showed inheritance first hand, it also showed genetic mutation. The fruit flies were used due to their minute lifespan, so many generations of evolution could be observed relatively quickly.
The lack of a fossil does not disprove a theory which has been proved scientifically. By this I mean such things as genetic inheritance, and being able to trace ones family back through time genetically. Or do you believe genetics is false? This would have major implications on many criminal investigations and paternity cases.

I would say that today's science is different from that in the past due to in not having any true belief system or mythology attached to it. It's simply creating a hypothesis and either proving it through empirical evidence (i.e. the results are repeatable by whoever does it however many times they do it).

I agree mythology shouldn't be sneered at. There is potentially a lot of (missing) history stored in it. A lot of mythology could potentially be the symbolism of the mind, archetypes of the subconscious made manifest in tales and legends. This could potentially explain the similarity of certain myths throughout many cultures and times – that is we each share the same mind structure, and so the myths which arise from it are sufficiently similar.
Could another possibility be due to our shared origins? Man originated somewhere in Africa, so at some point we were one tribe. Somehow original myths perhaps stayed with each tribe which split from the original and populated the world?

If ancient people were so dumb, how did they build the pyramids and align them with the stars or how did they erct enormous obolisks? There were civilizations that new the positions of certain stars long before our scientists discovered them.

Which stars were these? Many ancient people had a very good grasp of mathematics, to most early civilisatios mathematics was a sacred thing.

Whatever is considered "scientific" or "mystical" there still remains one consideration:
The missing link is still missing!

Homo Erectus -> ____ -> Homo Sapien. Who really can fill in the blank?

Darwin's Almighty Theory of Evolution consitently trips over this one, no matter who comes out with a freshly re-hashed version.

Spontaneous DNA mutation? Hmmm... That's one helluva precise and very well ordered mutation! Considering with most known DNA mutations the organism either dies or turns viral.

So we seem to be left with Atlantian/Lemurian, Alien or Angelic intervention.

Timelines according to mythology place the Atlantian civilisation about right. But who were they? Alien colonists, Angelic hybrids?

Science cannot prove evolution or DNA mutation, in fact more proof seems to be coming out to oppose it.
Science also cannot disprove outside intervention. Science can only relegate such ideas to the relm of "mystical" and therefore justify ignoring the possibilities.

Tell me though...
How many members here are aware of a past connection to Atlantis? How many sense an affinity with either angelic or alien presences?

Maybey it is in our genes after all, and Leyla has uncovered access to something that I know many others have also uncovered...
Genetic memory!

Blessings,
James

Could you please provide me with some links or resources to this evidence against evolution and genetic mutation? I'm genuinely curious. Years ago in A level biology I did experiments on fruit flies which showed inheritance first hand, it also showed genetic mutation. The fruit flies were used due to their minute lifespan, so many generations of evolution could be observed relatively quickly.
The lack of a fossil does not disprove a theory which has been proved scientifically. By this I mean such things as genetic inheritance, and being able to trace ones family back through time genetically. Or do you believe genetics is false? This would have major implications on many criminal investigations and paternity cases.

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About time!

Agreed! After the Governement denied the existence of GSW for so long, I never thought they'd do a U-turn.

DId anyone else see the even more suprising news recently released from the hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

Now thats something I thought I would never see. We live in suprising times

I agree with mactombs, thats a great picture

the other like MasterJingo, Mendel, Major Tom have been more than helpfull, but it seems all you want to do is pursue this to argument. they have given their testimony and now its time for you to step up and learn the how to project and run your own scientific proof..

i saw no more...

tvos

Hey tvos,
It is verging on an argument, but not a serious one My only problem here is having a long history of AP and still questioning it's validity seems to annoy billion, so I've just been arguing points back. If all that occurs is the regurgitation of statements with no progress on either side (ie none is willing to accept what the other says) i'd happily stop as it would be getting nowhere and wasting everyones time.

Again I can't believe I'm reading this stuff.  I don't know why you've assumed I'm occultist, white witch, qablalists, I never talk to such things, so you need to put that to rest.  It's you who's making this grand assumptions.
I would say I'm a well read scientist, and I know the scientific methods, and spend as much time reading science magazines, forums, and journals as I do here, more so.
What I do understand is the scientific process, and I've examined it very carefully, and you should you.  You'll find the new discoveries are labeled as heracy, the peer review takes decades to resolve disputes, and scientists aren't all uniform.  One scientist may have showed how if you create parallel worlds, it solves all his computational problem, and can explain things better.  Every other scientist just regarding this as complete  nonsense, and certainly had no proof, but showing things do work out better, and the forces of the universe can be made to work, if we put in parallel worlds.  To most scientists, to believe in parallel worlds, is heracy itself, worse than believing in God.  
The maths do work out and a few cosmologists believe in parallel worlds, the majority don't.

I did not assume you are any of those things or make any grand assumptions, you are simply misinterpreting my words, or just choosing to not understand.
To date, the vast bulk of all written information on AP exists within the occult domain, and so to all extents and purposes, most people consider AP to be an occult art (even if you do not), that is what I was getting at.
I also know the scientific process because I am actually a scientist and so use it frequently.
What specific research are you talking about when regarding parallel worlds? There have been many purely subjective theories which state there are multiple worlds/parallel dimensions based upon either misinterpretation of quantum/M theory or our lack of understanding of the current result sets.
The reason there is so much disagreement in these fields is because the vast majority of the science to date is purely theoretical, it has no empirical evidence to back it up. And in such circumstances there should be such disagreement to ensure we do not believe anything with no proof.
Maths can really be made to fit anything. There are mathematical models of 4-11+ dimensions which incorporate parallel worlds, but they are purely math with no supporting evidence – so they are discounted until evidence is either found to support those models or discount them.

Well, that's it you aren't capable of taking the great mental leaps of imagination that true scientists can take, like Einstien.
You as I predicted to myself, will never believe or even consider these theries like we all live in a supercomputer.  This is actually a sound solid thought experiment, it is sound, generated by scientists who don't believe in occult mumbo jumbo.  These are sound valid theories of cosmology with no true scientist can disprove.
They are actually very plausable, if you know you physics you'll know it's too wierd to be a co-incidence. So god might as well be some super geek with a super computer, it is possible, there is no proof to disprove it isn't.
If you know something about Fractals, you will realise complex reality can be simulated with simple 4th  dimensional imaginary number maths. Yes maths with imaginary numbers. Go figure.  I don't understand imaginary maths, but I can program a computer with a Fractal - it works.
Quantum Physists can't explain most things either, God does play dice, you can't predict where things are going to be, it's all too wierd, but ** THEY JUST GET ON WITH IT * and produce cool devices like lasers and so on. The effects are predictable! But how physics particles work isn't.

So as time goes by you'll find more and more nonsense in science to you, science to you will just might as be occult mumbo jumbo, it really is, infact to you, that's what you can't see. Infact what you can't see Astral Projection is more touchable and experienceable.  A scientist can neve see his parallel world or enter it - you can enter yours, and you can't see how amazing that is, you have things scientists would kill for, and you can't see it, you are wasting it. That is my sorrow.

well you are wrong,  you are so wrong you don't know it. Science is not about repeatable facts in reality, they are still proving Einstiens theory, and proof has only recently come, and repeatable.  Before then the maths was so elegant, and clearly undisputable, but it's not proof, that came much much later.   "Einstien said imagination is more important than knowledge", he is right, every theory starts in someones mind, Einstien by simply assuming light travelled the same speed everywhere with *THOUGHT* experiments, came with startling conclusions.
So Einstien knew very much how important the imagination was, more so than you. Every new scientific idea starts off in someones imagination. Proof comes much later.

Only recently were they proved, but scientists could not really prove them or disprove his maths.   This is so of Parallel worlds and all the crazy cosmology theories being floated about.  They really have no proof, and they never will. Cosmology is crazier than Astral Projection, but they are quite happy to enter this imaginary worlds and imagine what causes them.
That's what a true scientist does.  You not so.
Even Robert Monroe and complete skeptic and scientist opened his mind, and remained a scientist throughout - he just explored and looked for answers, you are looking for answers where you won't find them.
He created a whole Instutite and respected as a scientist and skeptic.
Now, if you are so lucky enough to have so many OBEs and you dismiss them so readily, do you have the open mind and character to writes books, explore and create Institutes like Monroe did as a skeptic?  I think not.

Please show me where Einstein made any great mental leap. He simply used theories which were already suggesting relativity and places them together. Yes he was the person who did it, but if he hadn't, the data and research which already existed would have given us such theories through a different route anyway.
Einstein was in fact very set in his ways and refuted the suggestions of quantum theory, spending the last years of his life as virtual recluse trying to create a theory of everything which didn't require QM.
I will consider such theories of living in a super computer is they held up to scrutiny, I was giving an absolutely absorbed example and yet you chose to misinterpret me again.
You say you know the scientific theory very well, which would suggest your grasp of logic is impeccable, yet you haven't used any logic in your reply to me. You chose parts of what I say, misinterpret them, and then rave off on tangents.
Quantum physicists don't actually just get on with it. What scientific journals do you read? The last journal I read earlier this week was littered with articles about scientists who tried recreate a publish experiment, failed and so refuted the findings. This is the method of science.
Regarding the predictability of the physics they work with, on a great enough scale they produce probability curves which allow them to become predictable. Our use of quantum theory in every day electronics shows these sciences can and are predictable.
I admit there is a lot of quantum theory which looks strange to our logic, but that is due to us not having the mathematic knowledge to solve such problems yet. If you know of string theory, then you would know that the mathematics we are currently using is just an estimation of the equations we believe we need to solve problems in that field. A lack of understanding does not mean impossible to understand, or to make predictable.

Even Robert Monroe and complete skeptic and scientist opened his mind, and remained a scientist throughout - he just explored and looked for answers, you are looking for answers where you won't find them.
He created a whole Instutite and respected as a scientist and skeptic.
Now, if you are so lucky enough to have so many OBEs and you dismiss them so readily, do you have the open mind and character to writes books, explore and create Institutes like Monroe did as a skeptic?  I think not.

You contradict yourself above. Monroe remained a sceptic of his experiences for a very long time. And when he did move his belief to the astral was where people went on death, he used science to attempt to explain this new area. Not only that, he used scientific theory to allow others to experience this area too.
He did not at any point use belief, or set aside the scientific principles, and even the Monroe institute now tell people to not act as if beliefs are solid fact (knowns).
If  could add anything new to the science of AP I would happily write a book, and if I had the funding I would happily open such an institute as it is something very close to my own heart.  

Hey this is all about you trust, me you are the own questioning your experiences, I'm quite happy I know the truth.

You demand something more? You will never find it, stop wasting your time and move on.  You still don't understand why.  One scientist believes in parallel worlds the other doesn't. They can't prove it either way.
They don't waste time trying to disprove each other's beliefs. They get on with thier version of events and get on with it.  You aren't providing anything valuable, but being a hardened skeptic and staying in that camp, it's you who doesn't have the open mind, even though the experiences are starting you right in the face.

If you think you or anyone can find proof for the whole world to see, in your lifetime, or many lifetimes over, you really are foolish and can't see the wood for the trees.  Trust me it will never happen in your life time, so stop fretting over it. Get it and move and make a contribution to the field that can be laid bare in history for future generations to admire.

If any scientist ever thought "I cant prove this in my life time, so I'll just give up" then we would be living in a primitive state still. Because something might not be proved in the near future does not mean people cannot set the ground work for it.
As I have said before, people have been experiencing AP throughout  the history of mankind (evidence can be found in all cultures). Where has that history of pure experience and not attempting to research the mechanics of the experience gotten us? Absolutely nowhere. We know little more about the AP experience then man did 2000 years ago.

Please show me where my mind is closed? I have experienced many things in my life time, from the mystical to the drug induced. I am open minded to all things which come my way. My definition of open minded is to actually keep an open mind, not like you just believe what you want as it's preferable to your ego and belief systems. If I was an hardened sceptic I would refute even the possibility of AP, yet I accept that it might be a real possibility. The proof I seek is to the nature of AP itself, which takes into account the nature of mind and reality.

What truth do you know? Do you know that all truth is purely subjective and relative to the observer? Or do you believe you hold a greater truth? The truth I search for is one which can be consistently experienced by many people. The AP scene to date has little to no consistency. Even the leading AP gurus frequently degree on all aspects of the AP experience.

Why do you believe the Astral exists? You have no proof you can give me.   So why do you believe? I know you can not show me proof, so what makes you make such a grand conclusion?

As I said before, read up on your science, a flatlander will never see, feel or touch the 3rd dimension, he can only imagine it, he well never have proof. We will never have proof of the 4th dimention, you simply have to take that leap of faith. It will always just appear in your mind.


I hope you can get a glimse of what I'm trying to say. One day you'll wake  and see the world in a different light.

The proof I have regards experiments in the physical which suggest the astral might have some existence. These experiments have involved 3rd parties who had no knowledge of my experiments and independently verified the results of my experiments.
These experiments show a possibility of the astral being more than imagination, and so I have an open mind on the subject. I once did really believe in the astral, but I realised that was being closed minded.
If we take the 4th dimension as time, we already have proof of its existence, not only that, there has been interesting discussion in scientific journals (which you no doubted know about as you read them) discussing the possibility of time being a state of entropy on a negative curve. This has major implications in regards to causality, free will and determinism.

The question of the astral is much more then just experiencing something and claiming it as fact. The ultimate truth we can currently hope to find is one we will find on death. We either continue to exist, or we don't. But even this is open to other possibilities such as consiciousnes existing in the brain at the point of death due to extreme time dilation. What I mean by this is when the body dies, awarness could exist in the brain and to the 'dead' person, they would continue to exist for a possible very long period of time in their imagiation (Astral). I know there is evidence of deep brain activity a long time after the time of death.

You have strongly declared that science will never understand the astral. What have you got to back up such a claim? You can't quote history (unless its an example from the past decade or so) as the world and society has changed dramatically from an age of people being burnt at the stake for heresy.

I could aslo add that a lot of the most recent gurus on AP have all had scientific leanings over mystical leanings. They happily incorporated science and AP, and most modern techniques such as binaural beats and sound and light machines (Which have had massive success in initiating OBEs) also work on the prinicible of altering the physical brain to create these experiences. So science is already within the AP sphere.

I don`t know, guys, I may be wrong, but I think that, if OBE was only our immagination or hallucination, it would be so much easier to achieve.

If thats the case, wouldnt we easily be able to hallucinate anything at will? There would be no need for drugs as we could create such states ourselves.

Look into DMT production in the brain and read upon DMT experiences, which include vibrations, astral like environments and even alien abduction experiences. One belief of mine is that DMT either creates the experience, or that DMT facilitates the passage into the astral.

Well,  if you subscribe to people who say it's all in your imagination - well it's all just a dream!  see below from

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21011&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=30

And if your view is so narrow to exclude anything which infringes on your belief system, then you might post silly things like this to forums.
What is your point exactly? Because I require higher proof than attributing everything to fairies and angels and elves, I should be mocked and discounted?
Many things occur which are far outside the scope of science - but science will eventually come to understand them.
To date, human history has had a life time based upon belief, superstition and various Gods. Yet until science came along, we had made no great discoveries, lived in no utopian society, and attributed disease to spirits etc. In the few hundred years of science, the world has changed radically. We now have a chance of peace trough education and understanding – rather than the misunderstanding and prejudice of the past. We have slipped the bounds of our home world and are starting to see the underlying energies of creation itself.
So why shouldn't we look to science for explanations of other things too? Just because we can't describe them now, doesn't mean we never will, and if people don't take the first step towards that understanding we will be lost in conflicting beliefs forever. A hundred years ago, even the idea of man setting foot on the Moon was considered absolute fantasy. And what we discover in the next 100, 200 or 300 hundred years is most likely what we consider to be outside of science right now.

I honestly and utterly can't believe I'm reading this.

I'm in shock.

Here's someone who things it's all nonsense and all in his mind.
I really don't know how to respond to that.

You really are fooling yourself that's it's all just a dream and imagination?

I honestly can't believe it, I can't believe people out there have these experiences and thing it's all just a dream.

You want physical proof?

It's 2005, well 2006, and we don't have it, we'll never have it.

I mean if you see something or someone somewhere in the RTZ, that is verified later, that's all the proof you need. This kind of proof is still not good enough for scientists.

You don't need every scientist to believe before you believe.

Once you realise we live in a multi-dimentional universe and you can't bring those dimensions down into the real world in "proof".

Heck cosmologists make more leaps of faith that you do. Scientists believe more crazy things than you do !

They believe in things like parallel worlds and so on,

*THEY HAVE NO PROOF*.

In think your argument well and truly sucks.

You can all site around debating proof, but you'll never find it.

If you don't know why, you won't you just aren't there yet.

You know what happened to the guy who send we went arond the Sun.
He had proof.

They locked him up for being a heretic.

They only pardoned him a few years ago!

Wake up and smell the roses, it's not about proof.

Please quote where I ever said it is nonsense. This is this kind of thing I'm trying to escape from. I know a lot of people who consider themselves to be occultists, or white witches or qabalists or initiates. Yet the second you mention proof they get offended and upset, like you are questioning their entire belief system. Rather than be reasonable and look at all the arguments, they get hysterical; denounce science and anyone who holds it in favour (whilst ignoring the miracles of science all around them which lets them lead long and healthy lives). Science is simply a methodology of producing repeatable facts in reality. That's all it is. And its track record is pretty damn good. Because science does not follow my own belief, does not mean I will ignore it totally.
I will give consideration to any theory regarding AP which holds some weight. For example, I have had experiences which seem to suggest AP is real. But the newly emerging facts about consciousness and the brain are very hard to ignore, so I don't discount it and keep it as a possibility. I generally refute such things which are too ludicrous to my current understanding of reality, such as if someone stated the apple tree in my back garden is really a supercomputer and I'm living in a hologram it is creating, I would generally disbelieve them.
Just because I question the experience does not mean I am questioning your experiences. If your demand of proof means a single projection tells you everything you need to know then that is fine. I am looking for something more. A million lifetimes could be wasted by getting bogged down in dogma and ignoring the underlying source.
I agree that it is possible to be blinded by science, but at the other end of the spectrum, I believe it is possible to get bogged down by belief systems - becoming caught in an illusion of unfounded belief.
I believe one of the reason we are on Earth is to learn critical thinking, and to totally throw it away because what it suggests upsets what we want to belief – that is losing sight of the goal before even setting out on the journey.
If the astral truly exists (which I believe it does) and the physical is part of the astral, then surely scientific discoveries will hold meaning to all areas of the astral? We might not be at a sufficient level to comprehend everything, or have the technology to detect the astral yet, but if it is there, we will eventually detect it with science.
For all the evil we attribute to science, without we would literally be living for about 30 years in very unhygienic conditions with no education and bogged down with massive superstition. Is that form of life really preferable?