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People "know" many things... but most don't "understand" much.

I know this topic is old but wanted to post.... 

If i may say.... having the ability to access this form through Tapatalk would be a great feature.

Have any talks come of this?

Nope.  But the software this forum runs on is extremely old at this point and adding anything new could be a tipping point to total ruination. 

So we don't want to touch anything.  hehe

you sort of still proving my point that we going thru many dream scenes, alot of people including me think that dreaming and projecting are one and the same we just aren't aware at the time , i'm guessing you not one of them,

Oh I'm most definitely one of those people. 
I actually go further in saying that this physical reality experience is really nothing but a projection as well.

You haven't read my book yet, have you?    hehe
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/39504726/Phasing_Primer.pdf

Enjoy!

but then again maybe you are cause you did say recreation of the bedroom, and thats basically what the etheric plane is,  the closes to the physical one with the recreation of the physical, so you not really disproving it, just taking out the inception

I, however, don't view the "etheric plane" as being something that objectively exist.  I'm actually against all the "planes" talk... I find it all rather ridiculous, and convulsively confusing (especially for new people).  Consciousness isn't hierarchical nor linear in it's nature.

What I'm taking out of the equation (per your statement above) is the "dream within a dream" scenario.  It's like when people say that they've had a "dream of a lucid dream"... you're either aware that you're dreaming or you're not.  While there is a middle ground there, it's not in the way that most people want it to be.  You can, however, dream ABOUT lucid dreaming.  But that's something entirely different.

As far as I'm concerned, what we humans call "dreaming" simply doesn't exist.  What you're doing when you're "dreaming" is projecting.  You're just unaware of it.
Kind of like what you're doing right this very second with this physical reality experience you're currently having. 

Inception really was a fantastic movie.  Had great entertainment value... but that's all it was.  Remember that. 

With that said, to me, the concept of a "dream within a dream" is ridiculous.  I can totally understand how someone could come to that conclusion though, however, you're not having a dream within a dream... you're simply moving from dream scenario to a new dream scenario.  That's all.

With that said, a "false awakening" is simply you moving to a new scenario where you believe you've woken up.  You're essentially in a non-physical re-creation of your bedroom (or where ever).

Do whatever makes you happy in all things... so long as it doesn't harm another or yourself.

Xanth, Thank you for your reply. your comments are always appreciated.

As someone who is new to this; it is sometimes nice to hear from more experienced people that you are on the right track.

Well, it's kind of funny... because most people are on the right track, they just tend to convince themselves otherwise. 

Just curious, but anyone else here enjoy running on a weekly basis?

I started at the beginning of 2015 in an effort to lose weight.  I wasn't all that consistent, but this year I'm determined to get out there more. 
I think I've done about 30km since last week.  Loving it.  Feels so good, especially after you're done.  hehe

ask that psychologist what is a hallucination? then he will give you a definition along the lines of sth not being 'real'.
Then ask him what is real and what not, and what is real(ity) anyway ... then you will see how stuck HE (not you) is in his thinking!  

/like! 

It's normal AND it was real.  You experienced it, so it's real.

It's just part of the normal process of pushing your conscious away from this physical reality.

Didn't Robert Monroe in one of his books say he took over somebody else's body while astral projecting?  And he said he wondered what the other guy's experience was like when he was in his body.  He didn't know if the guy blacked out when it was happening or not.  This is an interesting topic, I wonder why other astral projectors aren't having such experiences and why Robert did.

He relayed the experience where he "seemed" to be living the life of someone else.  I think it's a little to simplistic to make that precise presumption of what exactly was going on.
Have you never had a dream where you felt you weren't you?  You felt you were someone else?  There's LITERALLY no difference between what Monroe experienced and the other scenario.

A lot of what Monroe experienced at the beginning was viewed through a very acute perspective.  As he progressed, and right up until just before he died, his perspective changed drastically.

If there's one major thing I've learned about the non-physical throughout the last few years, it's this:  Our physical reality notions don't exist beyond the confines of this one particular reality.

What I mean is that those little idiosyncrasies which make us human don't apply non-physically.  How we organize our lives, how we like to label things, rationalize things... they don't exist within consciousness as a whole.  It's simply our means of trying to create order within our own minds.  Stuff like spirit groups... spirit families... they're silly notions.  Consciousness isn't split up as neatly and concise as that.  Consciousness is consciousness.  That's all.

Trying to sub categorize consciousness is just the human attempt or organize something which isn't able to be organized in such a way.

The answer actually is: No.

They ARE souls who HAVE an animal body.

HAHA! 

Touche. 

[The song plays in my head over and over (specific parts).]

Hi,
For most of this week i've been trying to meditate. I notice that everytime I listen to a good song and I end up trying to meditate. The song plays in my head over and over (specific parts).

Doe's anyone know (or can give advice) on how to get past this? / What I should do about this?

Thanks.

Instead of fighting against the song playing in your head... use it. 

To meditate towards projecting, all you're essentially doing is focusing on something to the exclusion of everything else.  If you have a song that plays in your head over and over, focus on it, each time it plays, focus deeper and deeper within it. 

By the way I don't think that this was my first AP, by the way. I have been aware of my surroundings in many 'dreams', where I have deliberately flied and even travelled through wormholes, now that I know what it should feel like??

There are many different ways in which you can perceive a projection.  They're ALL projections though.
Try not to narrow your definition of what a projection is... keep it wide open.

For example, my definition includes this physical reality experience we all share here.

Thanks Xanth for your reply. I think the movie (inception) isn't entirely a matter of fantasy after all

Actually, the movie "Inception" is a matter of fantasy.  The way they illustrate being lucid in a dream, with the varying layers, from my own experience, simply isn't how it is.

Inception is a wonderful movie, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't use it for anything other than entertainment. 

This was a dream-initiated lucid dream OR a lucid dream inside a normal dream OR a multi-layered dream, whatever you think fits. This was my first time to experience something similar, and I have to admit it's truly confusing!

The most concise "label" would be a dream initiated lucid dream.  You simply became aware while non-physical.

In other words... it was a Projection.    Congrats. 

in the process of it it felt more like me being aware of my surroundings in a dream

Congratulations, you just described a projection. 

I would never choose to be here. i was coursed, I used to be some other being, not going to say which one, got on the bad side of some other being as far as love was concerned, and jealousy. once this vehicle dies I will not be returning. believe it or not i know who i was, and i been trying my hardest spiritually to get back to it.

You, specifically, will be back. 

Oh, that was you?  Nice to meet you! 





... hehe just kidding.  Sorry, no idea. 

100%, nailed it.

Why do I continue to help people learn to Project, when at the end of the day, I think it's a relatively useless skill and why I no longer actively practice it.
Because some people (as I did as well) need to progress through certain stages in order to figure out what's what.
One of those stages, usually, is realizing WHY we're actually experiencing this physical reality.  I didn't realize it until I started heavily projecting and seeing the truth of reality.

The simple fact is that we are non-physical beings who chose to experience this physical reality.  You chose to experience this physical reality for the very reason that IT IS PHYSICAL.  Along with being physical, it has rules and limitations.  Those rules and limitations are PARAMOUNT to learning to become Love.  THAT is why you chose to come here.  Think about it for a second, how much can you learn about Love when there is ZERO risk to you?  In the non-physical, you have access to just about anything and everything you could ever desire/need/want/etc... and zero risk what-so-ever. 

So how does one "become Love"?  By interacting with your fellow consciousness entities within the rules and limitations of this physical reality.  By trying to "escape" through projection (which, let's face it, most people who want to learn to projection are simply trying to escape), they're actually being counter productive to their own spiritual growth and are, in fact, spiritually REGRESSING.

Learning to project brought me to this conclusion.

All of my friends and family do tell me that it's all in my head, it's just really hard to accept that.

Of course it's really hard to accept it.  People, especially today, have a really hard time accepting responsibility for their own thoughts/actions.
Nobody wants anything to be their own fault, as it's much easier to point at someone else and say it's their fault.  Right? 

The first step is realizing that 99.9% of your problems are actually problems with yourself.

I meditate quite often but not everyday I guess I could try doing it more often. Thanks for the advice

You don't need to do it everyday (although I won't say DON'T do that.  ), but you can go for quality over quantity.

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/02/19/adyashanti-true-meditation-series/
Try listening to the first video in the link above. 

Well... that's actually a prime example of when you stop actually TRYING to do something, it happens.
When you try to do something while non-physical, your conscious mind tends to fight against it. 

You will find what you're looking for only AFTER you stop seeking it.
Spirituality and the non-physical work a little differently than most people want them to work. 

Your problem isn't anything outside of you... it *IS* you.
Just remember that you are under no obligations to LISTEN to your thoughts nor act them out, but you do need to accept them.
Until you take responsibility for your own thoughts, you're always going to be at war with them.

Do you meditate at all?  Have you tried meditation? 

It's like having the most vivid, physical dream, but knowing you're dreaming.

Adrian owns both sites.
It's most likely just a false positive.  I wouldn't worry.