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[Sarah-Selski]

Hi Sarah-Selski and Brettb,

Thanks for replying.

I seems that I didn't make myself clear  :confused:

I never said that I doubted the possibility of having OBE's, I believe lots of people have them (I never had one though)!

That's why I described J.J. Benitez as an example of investigating an OBE.

I also believe in Spirits, I have read lots of book about this topic and that's why I mentioned Hollywood movies as an example of what I meant because, yes, they are movies, but they describe very well what happens to lots of spirits who after dying, they don't want to face it and 'create' their 'reality' living in a fantasy...

I repeat, I do not doubt of OBE's, I believe in them, I believe in the existence of other planes, other intelligent beings apart from human beings, etc...

What I doubt is the experience of many people here in this and other forums on OBE/APs.

An example: Someone said here something like that Spirit Guides don't exist, that people are deluded because the only spirit guide who helps people in their OBE's is Jesus Christ...  That's his reality according to the philosophy of many people here on this board... To me he is the deluded one and needs to deepen his OBE's.

I hope you guys understand now my POV.

Neo

Hi All,

What I am noticing by reading through this and other forums on AP/OBE's is that most of the people who OBE are satisfied with their 'journeys' without deepening in them. It's like having a dream and believing that what happened in it was 100% REAL, when it was just a elaboration of the mind.

Some say here that one's reality has not to be my reality. I can accept that POV, but everyone should understand that mine and your reality (seen like this) is not the REALITY.

I think it was William Buhlman who said in one of his books that he saw deceased people in certain planes doing things like the ones they used to do when they were alive, most of them not realizing that the were not alive anymore... You can say: 'Yes, this is their reality'... Of course! But they are living an illusion, a fantasy, and what they should do is to wake up from that fantasy to move on, to evolve... (lets take as example twp Hollywood movies: The Others and The Sixth Sense) And that's why I think it's very important to investigate about the reality/validity of the OBE/AP, not only for scientific results, but for the own growth as a human being.

I think one can waste their time 'projecting', flying around, talking to different beings believing that every experience is REAL when they are only letting their mind go playing tricks...

J.J. Benitez, a Spanish writer, did once an experiment with a drug in the Amazonian jungle. Being there, he phoned her wife (I think they used to live in the Basque Country by then) and told her to put something underneath their bed. He also phoned a friend of his who lived in Madrid and told him to do the same but on his living room's table this time. After taking the drug he found himself out of his body and then he flew to his apartment and found out that his wife put a framed photo of them under the bed. He flew to Madrid and saw something unusual on the table on his friend's living room (I don't remember what exactly) and the very next day he phoned to his wife and friend and found out that what he saw during his OBIE was exactly what his wife and friend put under the bed and on the table...

From here, once one knows that what happens in the astral is real, one can move on checking always the validity of the experience...

Of course the more subtle the plane, the harder to check its validity taking the physical as a reference but I guess that, one has checked many times with the physical, moving on becomes easier.

Sorry for the length of the post, but I just wanted to make myself clear about my POV of this topic.

[this link]

Hi TheDarkChakra,

I googled up for you. Have a look at this link ...

I hope this helps,
Neo

[Stookie]

Hi Stookie,

I read once an article about Steiner, he was amazing; would you mind explaining about your self-development following Steiner's teachings/philosophy?

I don't think you can learn too much - as long as you don't believe everything you read.

Do you mean I should believe everything I read?

[Ophiel]

Hi All,

Many years ago I came across the book The Art and Practice of Astral Projection by Ophiel.

This book was written -I think- in 1974 and I would like to ask those who have read it how close -or how different- Ophiel's techniques are to the other AP/OBE experts such as R. Monroe, R. Bruce, W. Bhulman, etc.

Are the 'modern' techniques any different -or even any better- from the ones by Ophiel & Sylvan Muldoon's?

I'd like to start reading and learning something about AP/OBE and wonder whether having a look at the 'classics' would still be of any help or, all the contrary, would confuse me even more...

Thanks in Advance,
Neo

[Neo]

Hi Christian,

And how do you work with your chakras?

Neo[/b]

[Mactombs]

Mactombs wrote:

It surprises me that someone with your nic would allow someone else to tell you what REALITY is

Well, as a NEO (NEW) person in this field, I still have a lot to discover/learn from the astral plane... Reading in other forums I've found weird stories I don't think I should believe blindly. I understand that most of the people here and from other Astral Forums are still apprentices with just very few 'hours of flight' experience who are willing to 'help' explaining their stories but this, in fact, is only a blind person trying to guide to another blind person...

That's why I sometimes doubt the 'reality' of the AP's phenomena: If everything on the other side is so real as on THIS side, how come that the experts cannot success 100% in something as 'easy'  :question:  as going to a place in the 'real-world' and explain what's going on there?

But I'm afraid this is a topic for another thread  

Neo[/b]

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I found this forum few days ago and I've been doing a lot of reading since then.

Frank's posts were so inspiring and so different from other OBErs' POV that I was willing to give it a try... Then I read of his Virtual Class and I got excited with the idea of really being able of OBEing with his teachings and, after more reading, I find out that Frank's missing and still today, December 2005, you/we know nothing about him...

I thought, by all that I've been reading, that on this board there were good Astral Travelers who could have visited Frank to see how he's doing.

I know some of you have tried with little success and this makes me think if all this AP/OBE thing is for real or just a delusion made by our willingness of letting our minds playing trick (imaginary works) as a way to escape from REALITY...

Neo

Hi Stamboe,

  Thanks for your reply.

  If they are more or less open, what's the point of trying to feel/sense them? Does it help you in your OBE practice?

  Thanks Again,
  Neo

Hi All,

And how do you 'open' a Chakra?

What kind of meditation or imaginary work do you use in order to open it?

Thanks