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Water boarding is legitimate,that is Disgusting.
What kind of democracy they are saving from terrorism,or everything goes?

Which people?

Why not me?

Why not Lionheart?

Why not Xanth?

Why not Tom Campbell?

Why not Robert Monroe?

What type of people need the assistance of black magic to stop evil things from getting them?

I need to understand this to take it seriously... that's all.

But Tom Campbell DID talked about these things,he actually talked in his videos and wrote on forum about it.He actually wrote on some post on his forum about vodoo,etc.Why not him?I understood that when you generally on path of love(low entropy),you happens to be pretty safe and more powerful in those maters,he mentions fear(high entropy)as a "handle"for bad intent contact.Some people here appear  like only good intent exists,but is only half of the story(if you believe Tom Campbell,and many have respect for the man),he clearly states(if you watched his videos)that intent is neutral and that can be used with good or bad intentions.And what magic is but intent wrapped in some belief,mental tools for the same intent to be operative.
I personally don't know,but for me Tom is the most balanced "knower" of these things,and if I choose who to listen it would be him(specially because hi said not to trust him but to make your own research  ),from this distance I think that there is no problem at all,when you understand Tom.
I think I understand what Lionheart,Hanth,and Bedeekin are saying and I agree,for the most part.It is more constructive to be positive,to face fears,to take responsibility for ones own life.One question arises for these type of things:how do you know that you under some sort of attack,etc.?It is not cool idea just to believe in anything,Aldo that kind of things potentially exist.I remember one post from MBT forum with similar theme,point was it is extremely rare to be attacked by some person by this way,people who trained,probably for years, themselves to artificially lower entropy trough control got better busyness to do but to deal with "ordinary"people.
It rings so true and important Bedeekin's:Nothing will be learned if fear is still thought of as an outside force.
Our life and what is important always comes to ourselves,begin from yourself and everything will be clearer.
Also little off topic but kind off related is "demons thing",for me it is a metaphor for opposed to evolution(opposed to lowering entropy of whole system) oriented beings not in these PMR,simple as that,so when I die(if, ),if I am psychopath I become by perception of somebody labeled as a demon.
My two cents.

Hi,question for Bedeekin,how you standing with your meditation "level",meaning,can you reliably often,say,focus on some idea,concept,sound,image,whatever,and keep it without a "noise",if you can,for how long?I ask because it is my strong belief that focus of attention is essential in these things.Now we have,thanks to this post,a person who is experienced in inducing OOBE classic style,believing that SP is way to go(at least deep state,you know...near sleep etc.,which is something is believed by many crucial to have OOBE),changes his belief by successful experiments,it is quite a thing for me,that evidence that it is not even needed a "deep state" to OOBE.
So if we rule out SP as essential for me what is left is focus of attention,it is crucial,not so much ON WHAT(sense modality,etc.)you focused upon but level of focus rather,at least I suspect.Also concentration (focus of attention)have two sides,active(object) and passive(letting go of everything else),so if you letting go everything you actually can focus on anything,same coin,so to speak,then there is willful concentration and spontaneous,(crucial in spontaneous OOBE I guess),operationally they work like the same thing.
Steel Hawk,yes,I can see similarities with "Body of Light" also,they describing it as a person when master it can do it whenever it likes(like "taking off a coat"),no SP,sleep patterns,lying down,etc.With Frenk's  phasing approach I concluded that is the same thing,actually I think that all techniques are essentially the same,there is nothing really new,it is all so natural.The big thing,for me,is that we have reports that state is much closer and available that we thought it is.That's why I wonder about level of focus,to pin point the essential thing.

Thanks 

Very interesting  Steel Hawk.I read years ago something that sounded true but I wasn't thinking about it until that time.Scientist sad that our brain make the representation of our body,we actually can't be aware of our body it is neural repr. ,a image,that we can only be aware..no matter sleep or awake.
I think that it is only core,essential difference between successful an not oobers is level of focus attention...now attention can be also involuntary,that doesn't change that is the focus of attention that matters...if you have it in your current attempt you will be successful if you don"t the techniq.or other auxiliaries can't do it for you,it is not visualization per se..but I think we are pretty much on same page on that one.

Congrats,what's next?...for you friend, apparently sky isn't limit anymore, ,also it is great to have someone who prove all the stories that is possible to do it while awake any time.

Thanks mates.Yeah very different from usual talk about this kind of stuff.I think it has some subtle stuff in it.,i don't understand all of it ,it is interesting how he says that key thing is detachment.Long time ago I noticed that when I woke up in the morning I go trough usual faze of drowsiness(hipnopompic),then comes faze when I am completely wake but peaceful,calm.I can go with my own business or continue to sleep,either way.I suspected that this state is somewhat important for experiencing NPRM(astral),this is kind of yes to my thinking I will see I guess with practice...also he talks about another key thing that is ego less  state(sounds like Tom Campbell there  )   

I stumbled upon this youtube video,it has subtle info on subject which you can find helpful
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BeXurNhgdk