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#1
Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Newbie
September 28, 2002, 23:54:14
Hi,

Many times the increasing heart rate is due to some anxiety.  Think about it more and see if there is any fear you have sitting around making it happen.

Just to clarify - our astral double is already formed - its aligned (normally) with us all the time - this is why you can partially project your arm for example - or your leg while the rest remains aligned - all without any surge, etc...

Relax (much easier said than done I know) and enjoy.

Regards,
Jeff

#2
Hi All,

There are a couple of things I would like to comment on.

Firstly I think it would be interesting for you to consider some other ideas.  There are many possible explanations but these seem to be the most logical... it sounds like the phenomenon (or phenomena) you may be instigating is remote viewing (travelling clairvoyance) or just normal clairvoyance.  
When doing this black can be seen but then images and forms of other energy can be perceived as you tune in or tune out of frequencies and the objects/places/people that exist in these frequencies.
 
An experience of remote viewing is not an OBE - just as looking through binoculars at a distant object/person is not the same as being physically (or non-physically in the case of projections) there.

Many projective (OBE) techniques use imagination and visualisation and so it can be a method but usually the technique describes a certain standard (yet with details) everyday image that can be used by a person e.g. a ladder, a staircase, a door, etc..
Its good for us to plan and focus on our target, i.e. be proactive about this;  as opposed to be passive and use what ever relatively random image happens to come into our mind.

The hypnogogic state is the demarcation line between being connected and disconnected and being lucid and not lucid - developing our abiity to remain lucid while dropping our brain activity is a key to having lucid projection.  As others mentioned it is possible to have projections from this state.

The best (ideal) position is comfortably lying in the dorsal position.

I agree lucid dreams are different to lucid projections (or OBEs).  Lucid dream is a synomyn for Semi-Conscious projection (OBE) and you can turn one into the other by increasing (or decreasing) the level of your lucidity - Clearly we always want to be more lucid inside or out of our bodies!

Good projections for everyone.

Kind regards,
Jeff

#3
Hi,

The buzzing I think could be described as your holochakra becoming active and entering what is known as a vibrational state - very pleasant, very common, very good for ones overall energetic balance and very good to learn how to induce this using your will.  

I think you should know our chakras are always "on" although sometimes that the energies in and around a particular chakra are more active than at other times.

Sometimes it occurs throughout your entire body or sometimes only in a particular part.  When occurring in a particular part or maybea particular chakra it is possible to expand the vibrational state so it happens throughout your entire body - this happens because all our chakras are part of an energetic body (called by some the holochakra), so as a crude analogy you can think of the energies in this body (or any of your bodies) as being similar to blood - being pumped and circulated all the time - helping to energise and sustain this physical body .

This activation of energies or vibrational state "loosens the glue" of the denser energies of the holochakra (which connect the astral body to the physical body).  Incidentally it is this holochakra that forms the Silver Cord the can be observed and experienced by projectors.

As the othes have said - relax, focus your will power on your target and let it happen.  Persist and enjoy.

Regards,
Jeff
#4
Hi Mike,

We are basically never alone - whether inside or outside of the physical body.  
Heres a rule of thumb for you - you attract exactly the same things out of your body as you do when you are in your body BUT you will be more prone to feeling and maybe "seeing" them - a simple matter that when you are out of your body you are much more closer to the density(frequency) that extraphysical people are manifesting at.
So because you are the same person inside or outside of your physical body you will attract or repulse the same types of people and you will only go to places you have an affinity with (ranging from very evolved in one experience to very unevolved in another - just like us really.. very good in some points very mediocre or undeveloped in others!).

There is nothing to fear but be prepared to be impacted by some things - we see our and our worlds reality much more clearly!
The only advice I would profer is to learn how to control and use the vibrational state and get good at working with you energies - the rest is just down to discipline and effort when it comes to having these very productive learning opportunities.

Regards,
Jeff
#5
Hi Adrian,

Some points -
Age old truths clearly are not that efficient at helping people to evolve ... Exhibit A being the state of our planet and the lack of evolutionary maturity and intelligence exhibited by nearly all of us.

I very much agree that some words are rubbish and the work of marketers, etc is often nothng more than manipulation of people but I think its important to remember the idea, that things presented in a scientific way are actually more likely to have validity in the eyes of the "general" public (sooner or later - if the ideas can stand on their own feet) - and we all want to help as many people as possible right.  
Therefore using a scientific appoach and the necessarily big, fancy (but accurate) words which that entails could be considered a particularly intelligent and non-imposing approach - when the objective is to help the growth and development of as many people (consciousnesses) as possible in as clear and non dogmatic way as possible.

I agree that it is the responsibility of the individual to grow themselves and of course to incorporate new ideas into themself in a personal, intimate, integral and consistent manner i.e. I have absolutely no desire to live in a world of clones - and I think the greater maturity ends up developing people who are trying to be more the same as everyone else but who end up being more and more unique because of it !

So when talking - we talk, we chew the fat, we use common language, we talk about love but when trying to propose new ideas, new approaches to the wider community and in a way that can not be dismissed off-hand (by most e.g. many mystical or religious approaches) I think getting scientific is good and then of course we let peoples interpretations be as rich and individual as they will inevitably be.

Best of energies for you work.

Kind Regards,
Jeff
#6
Hi All,

I have concerns about promoting and disseminating information about these tools only because NO TOOLS ARE NECESSARY to produce any altered state of consciousness.  
I would like to see people learning to control all non-conventional states/altered states by using their will power, developing their energetic control and not by relying on crutches which sooner or later on serve to weaken the individual resolve of the person.  Very soon you have people saying but I can not work with my energies or have OBEs if I do not sit in a certain way, listen to certain music, or eat when its 12:04 (AM or PM). :)

We need to find approaches which strengthen people not weaken them and make them dependant upon some thing (tapes, CD's, crystals, etc.)

I do agree that a section of books and quality information (methods for e.g.) that teach people how to do these things would be a worthwhile investment of time and energy.

In addition I  think it is possible to go to any dimension or place - typically what is required is increased maturity and a high degree of ethics (in the case of the more evolved dimensions - whatever name we may wish to apply to them) and although you find people more or less evolved (or with greater or lesser lucidity) I am yet to see consciousnesses (entities) in a different line of evolution e.g. elementals, angels.  Although there's lots of very different looking creatures we are all evolving, just at different levels of maturity and evolution.

Think Big, no limits.

Kind Regards,
Jeff
#7
Hello,

Adrian thank you for your kind welcome - I would agree with your root idea concerning love - but I think we all need to be very flexible, rational, and logical about things and not let ourselves or our emotions be too attached to things and subsequently cloud more rational or logical thoughts.  
Just to express a simple example of a word that could be used instead of love is fraternity - people please observe your reactions to that suggestion... what does it tell you?? :)
The basis of both of these ideas is Universalism i.e. the more universalistic you are the more you love or the more fraternal you are; but one does not swamp you with all sorts of ideas and memories and traumas and emotions when you think of the concept.  I very much like the word love but I think we need to appreciate the consequences of using certain words - everything has energetic repercussions and so starting with a clean slate i.e. a new word sometimes allows people more freedom not less as some other postings imply when talking about dogma.

I agree with Adrian and can see no desire from IAC to confuse the issue/ideas for people but more of a desire to lay the ideas clear and clean.  I think that most people/groups in these areas are trying their best but we each need to see what information (or way of presenting ideas) rings the strongest bell with ourselves.  We also need much/more maturity so we do not waste our time with some things of little importance/relevance.

Me, I am not going to let the presentation (facade) of anything stop me from getting at, experiencing, and ultimately living ideas that I DISCERN are better or more logical.

FYI - talking about words etc. I agree with a previous suggestion that new words need to be found for many things, but proposing and getting these agreed is easier said than done eh!  :)
To the best of my knowledge there are at least:
107 synonmyns for "silver cord"
25 for "chakras" - for example just calling them centers I would suggest is not adequate as that name would lead to many misnterpretations e.g. the pineal gland is the center of the head...

Not simple eh, and who is interested in reinventing the wheel when there are so many new things and words to discover!

I have experienced enough to know that all consciousnesses are multidimensional and multiexistential - but please don't believe anything I say - use your discernment and decide for yourself whats up.

Kind Regards,
Jeff
#8
Hi All,

Conscientiology is correctly defined by our friend earlier but he seems to have made a mistake when saying that it is the same as psychology or parapsychology - I think it would be more correct to note that a consciousness has a mind but is not only the mind, a consciousness is the thing that controls all of these mental pocesses or behaviours - so to only study those things is missing the bigger picture.  

Psychology could be defined as the science that studies mental process or behaviour, or alternatively as the science of the mind.   Unfortunatley most psychologists adhere to what is a clearly very limited mechanistic, physicalist scientifc paradigm i.e. the physical body is the be all and end all.  The existence of other bodies (more subtle, more complex and more important to increasing the rhytm of an individuals growth/evolution) are largely ignored by psychologists.  Parapsychologists seem to be becoming more and more influenced by conventional science - making it very hard to really make headway in their research.  

For Adrian, as best as I understand it, an existential maxi-moratorium is an extension to your physical life (a big extension as opposed to a little one or "mini-moratorium") typically afforded to those who have completed all they came here to do in this physical life and who are in a good position to start some other work without having to go through the hassle of dying and getting a new body, learning things all over again, etc, etc..  So it does seem to be short-hand in a way! :)

Some words are worn out e.g. people "love" pizza or their car i.e. love is now got connotations and meanings that have diluted the original word, hence new words are sometimes a very good thing.  I very much agree that all dogma, ideologies, etc. are repressive and only serve to castrate a consciousness but being scientific, open and flexible is very different to being dogmatic and hence I applaud a mentally intensive and mature approach to some old questions and also I applaud the creation of new things (remember everything was "new" at some time).

From what I see of IAC or IIPC research, education, helping people to liberate their minds, and develop themselves seems to be their objectives.

Good energies for your respective work(s).

Kind Regards,

Jeff