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no.. paralysis is not being able to move when you try. Its quite unsettling if you have no knowledge of it, as its like you're completely crippled.

I wouldnt recommend it being something you search for, for start its not even necessery for an OBE. I used to get it quite often prior to an OBE, but nowadays i slip straight into a trance without ever noticing it. Maybe its me but i've heard otehrs who've never experianced it but have had OBEs.

So just take it all as it comes.

i think they are normal. I get them quite often but generally put it down to hypnagogic imagery, try to keep your focus past them.

awesome.. thanks!!

I'm planning on joining a gym as soon as i start a new job. Its one of those typical corperate chain gyms with the happy-go-lucky trainers and high tech equipment lol. It also provides some free classes, one of which is Yoga. I'm not quite sure what type of Yoga it is, i havnt looked into it properly yet.

I'm just wondering if theres anything i should expect?... im afraid it'll be one of those fad polluted things so that its changed to suit the type of people who arnt in it for spiritual growth.. if thats even possible?

I've only got 1 binaural mp3 that just sends me to sleep during mediation lol. I cant be affording hemi-sync so if any1 has somthing that works for them can you please post it here for the rest of us? or maybe provide linke to a place to get resources like that?


thanks!

not much more i can add to kiwibonga's post. Just that it is common to fall into a seemingly dream state upon exit. I've had it countless times. Its easily recognisible by the fact that things lose thier realism, tot in just appearance, but the feel aswell. OBE's can often feel as tings do in waking life, where there is incredible detail, control and clear thinking. As you yourself may have noticed, once you exited you knew what you wanted to do straight away and so you did it.. but after a few minutes your imagination must have took over. It is some times reffered to as the 'Alice Effect'  in regards to Alice in Wonderland. Where things are as they are in real life, but wierder and a bit more fantastic the more time goes on.

does anyone have any experience in traveling backward/forward through time while projecting?. I've read many accounts of traveling to other dimensions and parts of the world/universe.. but little on actual time travel.

i say this because i'd love to see what people have to say about unknowns on ancient civilisations like the maya, aztecs and even atlantians

I haven't went there yet -to be done soon - but I usually go out..umm..naked.    Very pale and thin ginger-haired girl with green eyes - easy to recognize!

sounds like my kinda island haha

Leap, and the net will appear.

haha, touche!!


the great thing i find about most preachers is thier lack of contemplation. They read the bible and dont contemplate facts.. they just accept it as is. They are typical victims of media brain washing and are often the type of people who judge without reason. The best combatent is to pick holes in thier beliefs with education as your sword of choice. Read the bible, then throw its flaws in thier face and see how they react.... always great fun. Thier only defence to gaps in logic or reason in the bible is almost always 'its a test on our faith from god'... so arm yourself appropriately (i like to use this one.. 'if that is so, then our free will and thinking is not gods will?.. just blind faith?.. so we are slaves of god?... he doesnt sound christian')

all i have to say is.... cool!!

I was quite bored on the train yesterday, going home from work. So i decided to do some energy raising... unintentionally i slipped into a trance and was floating around inside myself, i didnt have enough time to try an exit.


its an odd question i know, i'm just wandering what people have experienced with this.

thanks for this btw LS.... i got it from ur other post but havnt tried it yet (my mp3 player is fussy and wants me to use its own software lol)

you have to really want it. Its kind of about overpowering your subconious (as i'm finding out, mine doesnt seem to want to let go of its dreaming lol).


You could take months and months to get to the stage where you can OBE.. sometimes you'll do it straight away or even spontaneously. Its a mixed bag of nuts

ahhh so you're some kind of psychic bounty hunter... lmao. Could have atleast answered interceptions q's.. they are perfectly valid queries. I have my own.. you are here asking if you 'did wrong?' yet you were given this 'mission' by 'Gaurdians of the Astral'? so why would it be wrong?... and why would 'Guardians of the Astral' be interfering with the real world?

Tho, i suppose if you didnt try to make out you were like some kind of paranomal action hero 'as seen on TV'.. maybe it'd been a little easier to swallow.

aww, grats! brief yet adequate first time.

funny you should mention that your body being a grey myst type of thing.. i've had that everytime, yet i don't see anyne else speaking of it. I dont often try to look back at my body coz i have other more important things but the first time i looked and saw this dark blurry sort of 'space' under the covers where i should be, it kinda spooked me out a bit. Hope you can keep your success . It doesnt get easier the first few times as im finding out!

im going to be skeptical on this... sounds like you have been watching too much tv. I'm an open person just like everyone else here, but am also educated, logical and not guillible. Its just a little strange for someone who has never done anythin of the sort to travel to some 'high ranking witch'  and somehow suck out his life force with full knowledge of what was happening, how to get to this guy, how to do that to him yet seamingly clueless enough to have to apply tv referances.

If you were going to 'mess' with a practicioner of black magik or negative forces.. these are people who are constantly protected by dozens of charms, negs and other things so even finding them would be a task needing help/research/alot of time.

oh and the bakers act usually only applies to people who dont normally wish to be diagnosed for thier psycriatric problems, its an enforcement. Your shrink would be bound to discuss the problems with you as you are willing, coherent and not violent.

how old are you?

i think Principle has it spot on. Destiny is usually something to strive for, where as Fate is inevitable.

Think of when you here it in a sentence. Its always "achieve/reach your destiny" and "meet your fate".. tho i guess thats just what I've noticed, I'm sure I'm wrong. I've always seen Fate as the end of a path you must walk. Destiny is something, a prize, that is achieved only through certain action/inaction.

i'm not the most outgoing person .. infact i'm quite the introvert. But i'd like to talk about this stuff to maybe friends or collegues as i feel i have things to contribute enlighten others with. But im unsure as to how to raise the topic without being judged too soon. I've already encountered problems when just bringing up feng shui... it was somthing i didnt want to discuss but i was probed, so i mentioned it and just received wierd looks and sarcastic comments.

I know it depends on how open the person you talk to is.. but thats always hard to judge with people on certain subjects.

Do any of you talk to friends/family/collegues about this stuff or have tried?

the engine noise is a little wierd and can be a distraction which ruins the whole thing, but if you stay relaxed like you did you're on your way!

Congratulations


amen to the swallowing problem btw.. i've had countless potential projections ruined thanks to that! i cant sleep with a high pillow, somtimes i even sleep with none. So i'll try using a thicker one or 2 for when i want to project from now on... great idea thanks!! Also a tip.. i've found that the sinking sensation you speak of, is good to get familiar with, i often think about how it feels and try to induce it in my body which speeds things along when you're trying to relax. You sort of have to 'let go' of your body so to speak.


As for crystals, i've found having a small cluster of amethyst next to my bed hasnt done much for me. Maybe an obelisk, a larger cluster or even a geode might do the trick. Tho i have had some success with a small glass pyramid on my sideboard, in that it helps me remember my dreams more but thats about all i've noticed (so maybe an amethyst pyramid?)

Hi Russel,

What bin-aural track were you listening to?

Namaste
Glenda

ditto... i'd like to have somthing that will help me get to a lucid dream. Been trying for months and months with all kinds of techniques to no result... tho i am remembering my dreams more .

thats the way it seems to work. Same would go for your eyes, treat opening your 'astral/etheric eyes' (or whatever you want to call them) as just opening your eyes and they open.

Cant say i've had the tightening effect on the eye.. but then again i've never OBE'd from a dream (have been unable to become lucid in dreams.. tried all kinds of techniques) so that may be related. Actually flying out of your dream sounds pretty cool tho!. Alot of the time you'll have dual awareness where as you can sort of feel your real body but can also feel yourself in OBE so its hard to differentiate. (the only way ya know its not real world is because our conciousness is still active and we remember still being in bed and therefor still aware of that fact).

real or not i can certainly relate to the eye opening thing. The first time i had an obe it was confusing to me (i knew i was out coz i felt no gravity around me) because i wanted to open my eyes but it felt like i was opening my real eyes, tho when i just stopped worrying and did it anyway i was at the edge of my bed standing up. So for that fact... i'd say based on my experiance.. it was an OBE. Congratulations!! arnt they fun?!!


(i treied one last night because i've not had much luck recently.. but ended up having a dream about OBEs instead where i would float up but kept hitting my head on the ceiling (was deffinately a dream, i had friends with me doin the same lol). A wonderfully approriate metaphor lol

a number of months on and i'm hitting some problems (i'm not in the most regular of practice with obes.. but i do energy raising and meditation from time to time). First of all, is i'm falling asleep before hitting sleep paralysis (when i try) almost all the time now.. my mind seems more suseptible to wandering off, so if anyone has any tips on solving that it'd be very much appreciated. Secondly, if i actually manage to get to an OBE ready state (hppens accidentaly nowadays yet still rarely) the last few have ended real short.. i'd get up out of my body and then a few seconds later i'd blank out... after what feels like sleeping for a few more hours, i wake up. This is an increasing problem as my first OBEs lasted a decent run yet all left me confused, as they started very clear and lucid but drifted into dream like states.. where i'd feel aware yet not completely in control and making my own decisions with dream like (unrealistic) events.

Also does anyone thing this could be related to my dreams being and feeling more real/harder to descern from reality (its like my brain is taking appropriate countermeasures to my obe attempts lol)

destiny vs free will are.. its simply a paradox.

Tho it does all depend on how you look at it.. destiny could be said as "the destination" where as free will is the "journey". Basically, you're heading in the direction eventually.. but how and when you get there is the consequence of free will.


You have to remember, free will is somthing of controversial subject when you're trying to fit it all into "gods divine plan".. coz how can we have free will if its all planned out anyway?. From this perspective, even the journey is nothing but a course of actions that are planned around and for us. We're mearly actors in a never ending story.


This is somthing thats confused me, especially when you get all these "channelers" of god or higher spirits trying to explain existence.. even when they speak of the higher stral plains having "no time".. yet we hear that our spirit after death gets to review its action s and proceed with the appropriate course of action.. but then that would involve a linear timeframe, because the spirit would already know what would happen before embarking on any of its journeys.




my opinion.. don't dwell on it, its a headache for any time constrained lifeform.

hahaha zombie pig apocalypse!.. sorry, im sure it was very frightening at the time. But if you name a song with that title it'll be a sure hit!


Stookie.. thats very interesting how it picked the right colours for relaxation. Those are a great mix. Earth and Water energys. Green is a healing colour which is usually recommended in bedrooms because of its relaxation properties and grounding energy. You might be suprised to know that the blue will help with self discovery! (usually directed at your career). Hardwood and carpet are also good earth energys, tho i'd recommend you complete the trinity (it is often recommended to have a balance of 3 of the 4 energys) and throw in some candles, inscence/oil burners or better yet use soft yellowish lighting to get some fire energy on the go. Some quartz or amethyst crystals geodes will help set the mood while also helping reflect light if placed near windows/light source. Theres alot more you could do with positioning and vertical/horizontal alignments but i wont get into that lol.