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There have been about 4 of 5 situations where my eyes have opened automatically while I felt like I was in sleep paralysis. The opening is slow and smooth. I have been left wondering whether there was a non physical component to the experience. I don't have anything solid to argue either way but it is an interesting idea.

Exactly! It's slow and smooth!

The same happens to me when I meditate, it happens when I get deep enough and I am getting into a very relaxed state.

I am just gonna stop practicing "direct technique" and do "indirect technique" at night wakings, in fact just 2 days ago I had a lucid dream by consciously inducing it while awakening at night and not moving. At least I only need to spend a mere 1-2 min to get an obe or lucid dream if done correctly and not 20-45 minutes just to find out my eyes decide to open and ruining the whole progress

have you tryed a blindfold ?

Yeah,but it won't stop my eyes from opening

It sounds to me like your "higher self/sub conscious has created a "hurdle" for you to leap. It could be known as a "self initiated block". Now you have to do some inner soul searching and find the reason why this occurring.

We are tested in all different ways before, during and even after a successful conscious shift. Just as we are constantly tested in this reality as well. You can never avoid experiences and experiencing.

This still keeps happening to me every time and pushes me.back to the physical!!! This is getting ridiculous and questioning myself if I am not just wasting my time over attempting to AP!

Always when I feel ap symptoms or I feel I am about to separate they just suddenly open up!

I have no idea why this is happening! I am relaxed whenever I lay down,

Seriously, i am laying for 20 min, by that time if nature allows I have a chance to AP, but it will never happen of I am returning to physical because of my eyes , If I close them they open up again when I go deep again,

I have heard some people have this problem, but most really don't. And no one have an explanation why this even happens.

This is really making me angry because almost every attempt i feel I am getting very deep and to the point of a separation ,

PS: this happens to me at every attempt, also when I wake up during the nights, and getting close to separation (whenever my mind is awake or sleepy when I try, it doesn't matter, eyes open up

And even if I were to AP with eyes open, within seconds I feel they get dry and hurt and itch and automatically they start to blink to relieve those sensations ...

No no no, you described it just fine.

That *IS* the process by which you fall asleep each night of your life.  Instead of "just falling asleep" though, you were trying to project.  There's no difference. 

If we are already on the topic, what do you think seem to be the difference and perhaps better when attempting to AP whenever?

Since you need to bring your mind close to a sleepy state where within a few moments if you let it you will fall asleep (this is correct?)

Now to bring yourself there would a better approach be to let yourself fall asleep to that point and resolve to yourself that you will catch yourself "awake" when you get to that point and just keep awareness on the "sleepy sensations?"

OR

From the beggining to maintain awareness, nothing on particular , just knowing you are aware till you drowse off to that state?

Is there a difference between the 2?

What are your thoughts?

This is what happens to you each and every night of your life.
It's called "falling asleep". 

*mind blown*

Same, I always reach a state with a certain degree of vibrations, OR where I am "slipping" or floating sensations (which is usually comes with my eyes forced physically open... I have tried a few stuff like imaging myself seperating or actually getting up like I physically would... none works... maybe I am not deep enough.

Then if you have trouble with insomnia, you can consider taking Melatonin. It's natural. And you can apply the following soothing technique.
Take you favorite sleeping position, slow down your breathing, give yourself a suggestion that your brain is tired and heavy. Focus on your brain for a few seconds and "make it" tired and heavy with your thoughts. Then close your eyes and imagine the following:
Imagine that your surroundings as you know them are disappearing and another surrounding is emerging around your physical body as you lay in your sleeping position. You are laying in a hammock, between two palm trees in a tropical island. It's night time, but you can see the night sky full with sparkling stars and the moonlight path lighting the ocean waves. The surroundings are calm and quiet, but you can hear the soothing sound of the waves, the crickets and the frogs in the nature. Imagine yourself submerged in this atmosphere and your hammock swaying from side to side. Feel the inner motion, feel your brain getting disoriented and heavy, but keep feeling the inner motion.
If you calm enough, soon you will start slipping into a sleep state, but that's ok. You want that when you are trying to AP. If you are too awake you will not be able to have a full, long out of body experience. That's why so many attempts during the day fail. After you go into a sleep state, because of this technique, you consciousness only will be awaken soon, not your brain and body. That happened to me last night actually. I woke up because I was thirsty, then I became wide awake, I thought of my reply to you and just by thinking about my suggestion, soon after I fell back to sleep, I opened my eyes as I was laying in bed, but I was seeing another surrounding. Then it clicked, Oh, I am in the non-physical. Then I just got up and started my adventure fully aware. Sometimes, I would get strong vibrations while I am doing the technique and falling asleep at the same time. And sometimes nothing happens. But if you keep doing this as a routine, you will have great percentage of successful APs. And for those of you who do not wake up during the night, you can set your alarm, or you can give affirmation before bed that you will wake up naturally sometime around 2:00AM. After a while your will start to wake up automatically at night. For me this is not an issue, because it takes less than an hour to fall back asleep. You have to calm your thoughts and not allow any other emotions from your daily life to pop up constantly.

Thanks limza! I will take this all in consideration...

Though there is something I am not sure about according to obe4u site...

For example, he says that when you wake up at night, without moving, the first thing you do before performing cycles is to try to seperate yourself...

He says we do that by rolling out... levitating... or just walking out of bed,

Now, he says to do it without moving a muscle... that's the part I don't understand...

When attempting seperation, and decide to get up or roll out of bed, do I do that just as I physically would? so let's say I perform to roll out of bed, and let's assume it fails... meaning my physical body will fall on the ground?

OR, does he mean it in a way that upon waking up at night, knowing that I am laying on my bed... I roll out by just visualizing I am rolling out? and with visualizing I mean seeing myself in 1st person rolling on the bed and trying to make it feel as real as possible? when doing that, usually you will feel some sort of pressure or tension on some body parts in a physical manner of course...

I am unsure if he means the later one, since he says it's not something you imagine... and the first one it also can't be because if I move my leg to in attempt to seperate, then the muscles of my physical body will move, and might even kill the whole cycling technique thing since I was not suppose to move while performing this stuff.

It's confusing since, both of the times when I woke up in my bed and visualized myself stepping out of bed or rolling out, I got nothing from it, and then I said to myself oh well, I will just get up physically, but instead of my physical body, my astral body got up... so I am unsure why so many say you need to visualize yourself seperating instead of actually moving yourself as you physically would...

Hi Ichigo,

This is the perfect time to achieve AP. Don't worry about not being able to fall asleep. Just relax, and start doing some sort of inner motion, you can add visualization as well. Transport your mind into a pleasant location that will keep your focus and don't forget to apply motion. Do not think about anything else. This technique in the middle of the night works perfect for me, even when I get awake for a while. Your body is still very relaxed and your brain function is borderline into a sleep state, but you are aware. This is the perfect time. Try this technique.

Thanks for the motivation! I always wake up a couple of times a night and give me enough chances to attempt a technique, I will have to try out and experiment which works the best... I don't care if it even fails as when I fall asleep the next time it's very likely I will have an obe or lucid dream.

Still I don't like the fact that it takes me hours (sometimes never) to fall back asleep... when just trying out a technique for 2-3 minutes at most, it wakes my mind up and I just can't fall asleep anymore... after a few hours when I do, that's usually when I experience an OBE or lucid dream...

But still, I have work, and even if I didn't, I won't have even 4-5 of sleep in my hands, then for the whole day I am just tired... so it's really a shame that I get insomnia in those cases.

PS: Most people I have watched on youtube and on forums that have daily OBE's are the ones that practice upon waking up at night

Then I have read OBE4YOU content and realized the technique they use are from there

I have had around 2 obes and today 1 lucid dream (I experienced most likely the void)

When I wake up at night I don't move and try to induce a method, it always failed for me but when I return to sleep the next time I am awake it can be an obe or lucid dream, the 3 times I used indirect technique it worked . I can see how anyone can get daily obes from it

The problem is is that when I I wake up at night and try to do a technique for 2 minutes and if it makes me awake I can't fall asleep for the next few hours, i guess that's just how my biology is and makes the while indirect technique unpractical even though it's the easiest to experience an obe or lucid dream even just by placing an intention, even an intention alone can keep me up the whole night even when I let it go and let my mind wander so it can finally fall asleep.

It's really a shame I have to give it up because direct techique seems harder and not for most people to experience astral projection everyday ...

Anyone else with similar problem?

The point of the blindfold is that it doesn't matter if your eyes are open are closed.

Try this...
Find a room in your home where there are no windows.
Sit in the dark.  Don't bother closing your eyes.  See what happens.
Keep in mind that the room must be completely void of light.

You'll find that this stuff we do doesn't rely on whether your eyes are open or closed... it's simply about removing sensory input from them. 
That happens just as well in the pitch dark than it does with your eyes closed.  Actually, it probably works better in the dark since you don't have to worry about forcing your eyelids closed. 

Hey! thanks!

In fact I am always practicing to AP in pitch dark room, it's not when my eyes open and the sight is the problem (since its pitch dark anyway)
It's the way how forcefully my eyes open within a feeling of jolt, it's impossible for your attention not to jump to the eyes.

Either way I don't close my eyes back again when this happens, I just continue to focus on whatever... but I feel I am kinda stuck at this stage... yet I feel I am so close (I hope at least)

[FORCED TO OPEN UP]

This is really ridiculous, almost every attempt to AP I get to the point where I feel everything lightning up, even flashes of light, feeling that I am floating up, but as it gets deeper I snap out of it because my eyes are just FORCED TO OPEN UP

It feels like instantly I am jolted back to (and no, I am not falling asleep when this happens, I am totally aware of everything)

Even with a blindfold this happens.

Hello,

Every time usually after 20-30 minutes, when I start to feel "crushing" sensations and then my body getting lighter and lighter and I feel the sensation of me floating upward, I feel that my eyes are physically forcing to open... if I do nothing they will physically open, and if I go against it, I really need to put pressure on closing them since the force pressure of them trying to open is hard... so when I try to keep them closed against the opening force they start to twitch like hell and usually that's when all the sensations I have experienced just go away, no more floating feeling or vibrations... even if I continue to focus on my object, it still happens

Yeah! My second obe in 8 days!

I woke up at 4 am, stayed up for 5 min..
Went back.to.sleep , unfortunely once I m awake I have a hard time falling asleep (so I wont use this kind of techniques next time) anyway eventually I dozed off and into a dream and woke up from that dream in my bed, I felt I was in some Kind of other conscious state so I tried an exit techniquel like imaging myself and feeling that I am rolling out of body, didn't work so I tried imaging myself walking out of my bed, didn't work. So I tried actually physically getting up from bed like actually using my physical body to get up (at that that I wasn't sure if I would actually get up as a physical body or as a dream, but I gave it a shot anyway, since I remember that at my first obe I actually moved my dream body like I would move my physically body, not by imaging what it feels like and doing it). It worked!. And to make sure I actually got up as a dream body instead of physical I looked back to my bed and saw myself sleeping.
Then I explored my house and using stability techniques to stable myself. Everything was as real as physical, even more.vivid than that!

I am still trying to figure out what I felt when I felt I was ready to try an exit technique. I felt my mind was in some waking state but I have a hard time putting my finger down what it was like exactly and why I though that maybe I could actually use this state to get out

I think at the time when I tried to get up as a physical body and actually my subtle body was the one moving, at the point that I woke up from the dream on my bed,I was already out and shifted in my subtle body, which means imagining is just pointless and all I got to do is moving as I physically would, it either success and get out as subtle body or move my physical body. it's a surprise

It is my opinion that both times I went out of body was by mere intention alone... both of them I woke up from sleep and stand up from bed in hope I would move out as a subtle body... in both times I tried to apply a certain technique, while they failed in some way, the intention of wanting to OBE gives me incredible "awareness" to want to see myself seeing the progress of leaving the body while falling asleep in some way. since I believe astral projection isn't something you induce, it happens everytime you go to sleep, just without objective awareness

Thanks everyone! very helpful!

I have tried a few methods the past few days,
And the ones that brings the vibrations to me almost always is either repeating a mantra OR just "being" and "aware" seeing thoughts go by and pass away without moving ofcourse..

One time I got the vibrations after a practice, but only few hours later after I went to sleep normally and woke up and realized I was out of my body.

Yesterday at night 11 PM, (yeah I know the chances are much lower during those times even though I still get vibrations, so it's still practice for me)
I just was being "aware" and then in my mind's eye I saw a hand, I asked for it to grab me out of body... then vibrations hitted me and I felt being shifted to my "dream body" a couple of times, it's like I am bounching between my physical and dream body rapidly... I tried an exit technique (I probably should have not done that as it didnt work anyway) and just continue to do whatever I did, as it might have been more stable and put me out of body without anything to do on my part...

[Some group]

"Phasing" *IS* the exit. 

Like most people, you're confused as to what it is exactly you're trying to accomplish.
Try this article:  http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2015/01/21/design-effective-astral-projection-technique/

All a "method" or "technique" does for you is provide a focus for you to use to move your awareness away from this physical reality.
ALL techniques and methods are the same in this manner.

Youre right I am confused and unsettled on what method to use because I feel there are so much contractions.

Some group say while laying still you need to move your attention away from feeling the physical body to make the transition happen
Some other group offers methods that make you still feel the physical system such as relaxing every inch of your body, feel the warmth, the comfort...
(if the point is to move awareness away from this physical reality, won't the latter be counterproductive, since feeling your physical body, such as hands, feet, breath, head, neck, or wherever on your body your attention jumps to, just make you stay in physical reality?)

both are contracting each other...



If both groups are correct... why to use any method at all? why not just lay still with being aware of whatever arises including feeling your physical body and that's it? how can this go wrong assuming you are not tired and there is no chance of falling asleep either?

If you keep relaxing more and more you will get vibrations or slip out of your body as you are so relaxed.   It has happened to me many times.

When I relax my mind and body, especially my body, my attention is on the physical body... from your experience, is it ok to relax body while feeling physical body such as hands, feet, chest, neck, head?

If not... how I relax without attention on physical body?

Thanks! I forgot something else to ask which has been on my mind:

Usually one will first "phase" and then try an exit method ... If it fails the whole progress of getting out is ruined and need to try again next time (that's what I keep hearing from people)

But why is that? It's not like you move your physical body when performing an exit technique....

With that in mind, why do people not repeatedly do some exit method the whole time until you get out?

[Another random question:]

Anyone know from experience if it's possible to get to the vibration state or just to the state that you are able to leave the body by focusing on every body part, for example feet, relaxing them, (by inducing a release, sinking feeling) and move to the other feet... then legs... head... chest... hands... arms...

Doing this the whole session...

Is this counterproductive as your focus is still on the physical body by doing all that?

Another random question:

If you use the whole session of visualizing going from your room to some other places, visualizing feeling the material, hearing the sounds, putting all your senses in the visualization...

Won't this technique only give you lucid dreams? and not actually the experience of consicously going out of your body, in your room where you will see your physical body laying on bed, and from there you can go wherever you want?

Eventually you will appear in the place you visualized you walking and not feeling the seperation of your physical body next to your body?

There are a few stuff I would like to know

1. When you have OBE how do you look like?

2. Can OBE damage your body somehow?

3. When you are out of your body do your psycial body heart rate gets fasteR?

4. Is it dangerous doing OBE at ages 15 - 20? or does age not matter at all?

5. When you get back to your body do you get paralysed? always?

6. When you are paralysed for how long is it usally? is it scary? I never had 1 I think, this makes me the most scared of doing OBE I guess

7. When you are out of body do you have 100% control on yourself? or is it like a dream state?

8. Is it possible to get out of body at your first try?

9. I heard when ppl have OBE you heard all kind of strange noises like you hear your name called? why is that?

Well thats it I guess