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#1
Hello all you special folks out there!  I'm normally just a lurker, but tonight...

I'm requesting some comments/advice about some things that have been going on recently.

I'm 30 years old, and I've lived in over a dozen different places in my life, but this is the first place where I feel that something strange is going on with the environment itself.  I am living in Japan, and I recently moved from Tokyo to a small city.  I moved into an apartment building that was built in the 90's (middle aged by Japanese standards).  The move was special in a sense that my girlfriend was going to move in with me eventually as well.

About two weeks after I moved in, something strange happened during the daytime when I was alone in the kitchen.  I had hung a ladle days ago in one of the slots under the stove fan, and as I was leaving the room, the ladle abruptly started to swing back and forth like someone had pushed it.  It stopped swinging naturally, and I checked to see if maybe the blades of the fan might have hit the ladle, but the blades weren't visible - not even close.  I had never felt or heard any wind coming through the vent except when the fan was on of course.  I thought it very spooky, but I thought it would probably be the last strange thing that happened.  I didn't tell my girlfriend when she moved in a couple weeks later, because I didn't want to scare her.

Around a week after she moved in, I had an especially vivid dream the morning where I was observing my girlfriend's children who had especially green eyes (she doesn't have any children in real life).  My eyes are green as well.  It was fresh in my mind after I awoke, but I didn't tell her anything about it (I wasn't eager to tell her about a dream I had where she had children that seemingly weren't mine (although they had green eyes)).  An hour or so after we woke up, we were both in the bathroom, and she commented "your eyes look especially green this morning", and I was shocked, because she has never said anything like that before.  It was my first dream that had any premonition attached to it.

Fast forward to a few days ago.....I awoke in the middle of the night (at around 3:45am) to a noise that I immediately thought was the wooden sliding door (Japanese style) between the kitchen and the living room opening.  As I awoke, my girlfriend made a "mmmmm..." sound in her sleep which I thought was because she heard the noise too....looking back, it could have been because I awoke abruptly.  Anyway, I got to my knees and I watched for any movement (sans glasses) and listened for any other sounds.  I then put on my glasses, and searched the apartment for an intruder - I saw that the sliding door was indeed open when it should have been closed.  I didn't find anything, so I went back to bed.  My girlfriend got up and went to the bathroom.  When she was in the bathroom, I realized I didn't check the laundry room, so I got back up and walked past the bathroom and checked the laundry room and found nothing.  At this point, she only thought I woke up because of a noise and was worried about an intruder.  I went back to the bedroom again, and she came back in, and told me she got freaked out because while she was in the bathroom, the fan stopped for a second, and then started again (which has never happened before).  The next morning, I asked her whether or not she had closed the door before she went to bed, and she said that she thought that she did (so the AC can cool only the side of the apartment with the bedroom at night), but she wasn't 100% sure of course.  It was only then I told her that I thought something had opened the door.  Because I might have been walking by the bathroom door the instant the fan stopped, and since my girlfriend wasn't living here yet when the ladle thing happened, I felt like these things might be directly connected to me, perhaps to my subconscious.

The last incident happened tonight, and it's the one I'm least sure about.  I was watching a documentary that I'd downloaded on my PC.  I paused the video so I could go outside for a bit (I occasionally smoke), and a few minutes later, when I was outside, I heard TV audio startup, and I thought it was strange because it was in English, and there isn't much English on TV in Japan.  I thought it had to be from my neighbors, but when I went back into my apartment, the video that I had paused was playing.  Now, normally I wouldn't think much of that, especially because....it's a PC, but it has never happened before and it seems too much of a coincidence that it would happen here and now.

So, because of these things, I feel the "heebie jeebies" when I think about it, but nothing has ever happened when I feel that way.

I did wikipedia research on poltergeists, and found that some claim that it is done through unconscious telekinesis, and some claim it is related to geology, and some say it is a combination of both.  "Underground rivers" was mentioned, and this caught my attention as I live in the mountains, and there are small above-ground rivers running everywhere.  But the dream premonition complicates things.

I'd almost rather these things stop, but I'm fascinated by them as well, and I'd like to approach this in the "right way".  I feel like I have a responsibility to figure this out.  I also am aware that, by chance, these things/coincidences could possibly somehow naturally occur, and my case is just a statistical outlier.  But the ladle beginning to swing back and forth when I was across the room....the vivid dream with a future element...what do you think?
#2
after some more reading, it seems like i was experiencing hypnagogic hallucinations.

i'm kind of curious how long it will last.....i had the feeling of "something is over me" but then I looked and thought "it's just rolling fog"

my intention was just to go for it and see how deep i can get into the state and see where it takes me.  i suppose obeing would be the next step before astral, so i'll go for that first.

i think i'll do repeated sessions of easing into the state just to feel more comfortable with the sensation, and coming back out if/when i feel uncomfortable.....until i can control the fear.
#3
So, I started dabbling a little in hemi-sync maybe four years ago.  The whole practice seemed a bit unsettling to me, and I was quite distracted, so I never went in 100%.  One time, I was listening to the "transcendence" hemi-sync CD just to hear what the verbal cues were....I kind of leaned up against the wall, and started at a spot for a few minutes.  my left toes started to vibrate and it quickly shocked me out of the state.

since then, i've done a few half-hearted attempts with no success.

today, I decided to give Transcendence another shot with my eyes open again...i took my glasses off for comfort, and started at a spot on my clothing hanging up.  within a couple minutes my vision started getting hazy and i was seeing something like clouds of smoke, like dry-ice going across my field of vision.  i thought it might have been because my vision is somewhat bad, and things are blurry anyway without my glasses, but I put on my glasses, tried it again, and got the same exact result!  it was quite exciting for me, and my pulse quickened and I ended it, because it was a little overwhelming.

I'm curious about what I should expect next....I've never read about people doing this with their eyes open.  I don't know, it just seems easier for me to concentrate if I can pick a spot and stare at it....
#4
Excellent, thanks for all of your help.  I started keeping a dream journal, but I've been so busy with school that when I wake up, I usually have to rush to get out the door.  Also, the hemisync option is very interesting to me, so I have been focusing on that as it seems to take less time....it can supposedly induce OBE which fits my schedule better.  However, whenever I think about lucid dreaming and I put my notebook next to the bed, I seem to have more vivid dreams.  But it seems strange to think "okay, I'm going to give this my best shot" and then lay down and go to sleep...

I guess it seems more difficult to go from a dream state to a more focused OBE/AP state....going from an awake state and then OBE/AP using hemisync seems more practical, although I'd be more aware, and that is where the fear would come in...of course fear can be experienced in dreams as well, but that cannot be controlled (but perhaps it can during an LD?)

So, now I have a new (old) direction to try....hopefully I'll be back sometime to report something interesting...

#5
I've been interested in this stuff for about a year now, but I'm off to a slow start due to other things in my life distracting me.  I don't like sleeping on my back, and whenever I try my hemisync audio files, I find it hard to get comfortable lying any other way.  I also seem to have a fear of becoming fearful....especially regarding sleep paralysis...that is something I don't want to experience, but from what I have read, it seems inevitable that I will experience it at some point.

I use the concentration hemi-sync when I'm studying for school, and I think that seems to help me focus.  Also, there was one time where I was just seeing what the audio cues were for a new OBE inducing hemisync production that I acquired, and I felt a tingling/vibration in my left foot that I couldn't explain.....it startled me....I wonder what would happen if I would have just went with it.  I know I should just queue up gateway, wave 1 and give it my best shot, but I think I need some encouragement or something.  Yes, I am fearful and I know it is not the best attitude to have when attempting this sort of thing.  I know I should just try to forget my fear and go for it, but I thought that perhaps someone could help me get in the right mindframe to attempt an OBE/AP again...suggestions
#6
Quote from: Hannah b on June 19, 2007, 18:56:05
I hope that with time you'll come to an understanding that these experiences are nothing really unusual - especially when you'll realize you're a spiritual being having a human experience, not the other way around  :wink:
A warm welcome ldeeeep  :lol:

thanks everyone.  i've been thinking about this quote lately, and it seems easier to understand and tolerate other people if you look at them as spiritual beings having human experiences.  some people are still like children....they are too caught up in themselves to realize what will advance them and what will hold them back.  looking at people this way makes it easier to dismiss negativity...i think the strongest people are able to take control of their anger and not let it affect the positive.  i strive to become one of these people...
#7
I was reading the book "Your Hands Can Heal You", and it mentioned that the foods you eat all give you prana energy, however some of the energy is "clean" and some "dirty".  Of course, all the dirty energy foods were meats and a vegan diet was the most clean.  Supposedly this can clear your energy channels and whatnot to improve meditation. 

ah! i found it....page 185...

http://books.google.com/books?id=1ekEAtUD8e8C&pg=PA186&lpg=PA186&dq=%22your+hands+can+heal+you%22+foods&source=web&ots=pPmu-lqG2H&sig=kN-QQYcA38bEhyqLkeAAUcdupDQ#PPA185,M1

#8
 :-)

something that i stumbled across today....by one of our members (great journal)

http://www.louisyagera.com/2006/09/14/going-vegan-improving-the-quality-of-experience-in-the-focus-levels/
#9
i became a vegetarian 2.5 years ago, and gradually became vegan.  it really does amazing things for your health.  i haven't had a stress-induced headache or a non-alchohol induced stomachache since i switched.  i have had headaches from over-exertion, but i had those when i was an omnivore.  it also makes going shopping more of a "treasure hunt".....one always finds new vegan foods to eat.  after awhile, meat doesn't seem appetising at all, and nowadays i even avoid the entire meat/cheese section because of the nasty smell.  eventually, the body doesn't think of these things as "food".

the only downsides i can think of is that depending on the area you live in, your selections at restaurants can be limited, you can get grief from people who can't imagine that eating meat and drinking milk is bad for your health (which is when you tell them the amount of pus in milk from udder infections), and that you may need to eat more often as it's hard to find "heavy" vegan meals that take a long time to exit the stomach.

you don't have to be an animal rights zealot to be vegan...you can do it for personal health reasons...

don't have time to read the book?  lots of good information here...

www.veganforum.com

www.milksucks.com
#10
:-)  i'll be like the little kid hanging on to the pole in the deep-end during swimming lessons.

i think i've had a lucid dream before.  i did a bunch of reading about lucid dreaming one day, and then i remember the next morning i realized i was dreaming....i was outside, and i was facing a house maybe 30 yards away.  i willed myself to "run" towards the house, and i think i got too excited and then woke up.

it's very entertaining to read about other peoples' experiences!  an endless stream of creativity...very easy to make your own mental imagery.
#11
well, a few weeks ago i couldn't have imagined a more bizarre forum, but here i am.  i have a friend who is into this stuff, but i haven't talked to him about it for years.  from my initial reading, i'm kind of blown away at the potential of all of this, and i never expected so many people would be involved worldwide.

honestly, the thought of having an OBE or APing scares me in the same way that taking a dangerous drug would.  but i also realize that this could be one of the most significant things that could be done by a human, so i find it very intriguing although i am still definately skeptical.  the validations thread showed promise, but the greatest evidence i've found is how forum members talk about these subjects and their experiences.

i don't really want to jump into this headfirst.....the only altered consciousness i've experienced is some light meditation.  i'm thinking that doing the non-OBE inducing hemi-sync stuff for awhile would make me feel more comfortable along with non-OBE attempts at lucid dreaming.  does this seem like a good idea?