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A lot of abduction reports mention scars or other
inexplicable manifestations which remind me of poltergeist activity.

Which doesn't mean that these non-physical beings which apparently terrorize
some people could not be created by their own mind or some other mind.

False memories can be implanted with hypnosis. It's even possible to produce
marks on the body that appear out of nowhere.

All in all that abduction phenomenon is very spooky.

Yes, imagine someone of the future finds one of our concrete buildings and wonders how we moved them there in one piece, lol.

But here is an other interesting article about a hypothesis of a different gravity in the past.

It's about dinosaurs, giant plants and stuff like that.
Maybe your giants really existed in the past, but it's unlikely that they can come back.

Saturnian Cosmology

Part 1 - The Golden Mesozoic Age

Thesis: We propose that Earth was a satellite of Saturn, or more
correctly a body which the ancients identified as Ouranus and which we
shall refer to as proto-Saturn. The present day Saturn is all that
remains of the once larger primary which we orbited as the closest and
innermost satellite



The most obvious characteristic of Mesozoic flora and fauna was the
upper limit of size. Pangaea's forests contained giant lycopods,
horsetails and pteridophytes, trees over 100m in height. Today the
survivors of these primitive groups are mostly small plants; the
tallest fern is only 20m high, and height is only achieved by the
conifers and flowering plant trees with specially strengthened trunks
and good root systems[26]. The dinosaurs produced the largest
terrestrial animals the world has ever known. Some weighed more than
80 tonnes, as much as 20 large elephants, but old views that they were
slow, clumsy animals have been superseded by evidence that they were
fast, active and probably warm-blooded[27],[28]. The weight which a
column can support varies as the cube of its linear dimensions[29] and
therefore the heavier the animal, the proportionally shorter and
thicker the limb bones. The dimensions of an elephant's limb bones are
approaching the maximum limits of size which physical forces permit
and are already tending towards disproportionate thickness[30]. Yet
dinosaurs were of such a degree of magnitude heavier, that the larger
herbivorous sauropods were traditionally thought of as wallowing
permanently in swamps to take the weight off their feet[31][32].
However, there is evidence that they were completely terrestrial[33]
and the large, bipedal carnosaurs, such as Tyrannosaurus, were
manifestly built for running with hind limbs more slender in
proportion to their bulk than those of an elephant. If gravity were
less, then animals could be larger and still be active with relatively
more slender limbs than an elephant[34]. The Pterosaurs, or flying
reptiles, are another case in point. Fossil specimens with wing spans
up to 8m were once regarded to be at the limit of size for any
airborne creature, even given that their bone structure was even
lighter and stronger size for size than modern birds. Then
Quetzalcoatlus specimens were found with wing spans up to 15.5m and
pronounced at beyond the engineering limits for a living flying
machine[35]. Recent considerations of the circulatory systems of the
larger dinosaurs suggest that the normal heart/lung construction would
be insufficient to keep the brain supplied with oxygenated blood[36].
The problem of explaining away the apparent defiance of physical laws
by so many of the Mesozoic plants and animals is solved easily by an
assumption of lowered gravity. Is it just coincidence that such forms
of life should be abundant at the very period when all the continental
areas were grouped into one land mass ?

[To invite some spirit to take over your body
    could get you into serious trouble.
    If you end up possessed, it may be very hard to get rid of that entity again that
    you invited, because you gave permission to be possessed.
    Even if it is just something created by your own subconscious mind,
    it might be very hard to get back to normal again. ]


How Is that different from Schizophrenia if you are copossessed alongside your higher self with another entity.

Don't know. Maybe schizophrenia is a lifelong condition while possession can be just a temporary calamity?

sorry, I edited it shorter. You are right, the link should have been sufficient,
didn't realize how big it was 

http://www.universal-tao.com/master_chia.html




The following article is from here: http://www.percivale.co.uk/castacontin/viewtopic.php?t=1250

Taoist Esoteric

To some the phrase "Taoist yoga" may conjure up the ancient stances of the Chinese martial arts or the stylized poses of the Peking opera. But Taoist yoga has little to do with poses or stances: rather, it is a precise science of cultivating the body's subtle energy, or ch' i, for balancing and healing the body and mind. And according to old Chinese texts and a handful of modern master, it is a safe and sure practice for attaining enlightenment as well. One such modern master is Mantak Chia who has been teaching the methods of his Taoist lineage in North America since 1977. Neither a scholar of ancient texts nor a workshop educated purveyor of fashionable growth techniques. Chia is apparently the genuine article - a man who has studied since childhood with a series of authentic masters and has been specifically empowered to pass on to others the ancient teachings of Taoist yoga....

...visit the link for more

I had times like that too, they pass when you love somebody.
When I'm by myself I often wouldn't mind too much to leave either.

Here I found some story about taoist monks who seemed to have left their bodies for good:

"The emperors of China traditionally were fascinated with the Taoist yogis reputation for seeing into the minds of others, controlling the weather, and in some cases manipulating or harming others at a distance. They would attempt to cajole and sometimes force their Taoist advisors to use their magical powers for political ends. An unfortunate effect of this was that great secrecy and intrigue grew up around the Taoist practices. The original esoteric system was often taught only piecemeal, lest any one individual become too powerful. As a result, the teachings became scattered or were held secret by a select few. Communist suppression of religion in the 1950s and 1960s forced many Taoists underground or to Taiwan. One story, told to Master Chia, is particularly chilling. Apparently soldiers of the People's Republic of China, out combing the countryside for a periodic census, stumbled on nearly a thousand mysteriously immobile old men sitting in meditation in caves of the Five Sacred Mountains of central China. These hermits didn't respond to any stimuli, didn't seem to have any need for food or sleep, and didn't even seem to breathe. The soldiers collected them and placed them, still sitting cross-legged, in a grassy field. Then they tried to wake them. But nothing the soldiers could do would rouse them. The old men were apparently absorbed in deep meditation and were out of their bodies traveling in other dimensions - a very high state in Taoist practice. To the Chinese army, however, these silent meditators were a menace. Word of their existence might spread among the populace and rekindle the peasants' deep-seated reverence for the ancient teachings. The Chinese government, still embattled with traditional Chinese culture, could not afford to have the people learn of these remarkable adepts - so the army doused them with gasoline and set them a fire. In the light of such stories, it should not be surprising that Taoism has only begun to reemerge in the last few years."

This was from an article about Mantak Chia and Taoist esoteric.
I googled that name and found this:http://www.universal-tao.com/master_chia.html

When you download their free brainwave generator it contains
a folder with examples. In there is a folder called "focus" and
that one contains a lot of  sound files called focus levels.
A text file says:

" MONROE INSTITUTE `FOCUS LEVELS'
-------------------------------

The scripts mentioned here are based on a document that appeared on
USENET, from someone who appears to have measured the frequencies used
on some of the Monroe Institute tapes (the information is included at
the end of this file).  Although the frequencies were measured, the
relative amplitudes of the tones were not, so the results will not be
completely identical to those from the Monroe Institute tapes.  Also I
believe that the Monroe Institute uses a guiding voice that leads the
subject through the experience, along with other supporting materials.

Despite that, these tone-sets (or Focus levels) may be useful for
experimenters to base their own tone-sets on.  This information also
gives us a much better idea of what frequencies the Monroe Institute
is working with, and what they are using them for."

It also explains how you can right-click a file and write it to WAV.

I once heard about a man who had been born blind.
The doctors managed a successful operation which made him see,
and he couldn't handle it.
His brain was unable to process the visual information. What he saw
didn't make any sense to him and he only got confused and wished to
be blind again.

So why should someone who doesn't even know what it is like to see
be able to see in the inner worlds?
Of course it's different for people who learned to use their eyes when they
were babies and then got blind later in life.

Sharpe, why are the monks protesting?
I don't know. Maybe they got urged by the people?
There is a news article about it,
maybe that can answer your question?
Rarely happens that religion and politics merge like this.

news:

Thousands of monks were still in detention, reportedly held in makeshift prisons around Yangon. It was clear, however, that the people were still looking to them to lead the democracy protests.

In the town of Bago, residents began refusing to donate food to the Kha Khat Waing monastery because the abbot blocked 1,020 monks from joining the democracy protests.

Soldiers erected barbed wire around the monastery, 40 miles northeast of Yangon, to prevent angry villagers from attacking the monks.

"If the monks fear the soldiers, the people will buy sarongs and powder for them to wear," a monastery guide told a visitor Tuesday, referring to items used only by women.

Residents in the second-largest city of Mandalay were equally angry at the abbot of the Masoe Yeain monastery.

"People have come to believe that the junta has sort of bought off the abbots of major monasteries to prevent junior monks from protesting," a resident told The Associated Press by telephone.

At a Buddhist shrine in downtown Yangon, Burmese men in traditional clothes prayed and touched their foreheads on the ground. Two dozen soldiers patrolled outside but there were no barricades along the street.

"I don't believe the protests have been totally crushed," said Kin, a 29-year-old language teacher in Yangon whose father and brother joined the 1988 protests. "We are a prayerful people. ... The monks' influence can't be written off."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071002/ap_on_re_as/myanmar

Yes Doringo, thats what I thought too.
Maybe a worldwide boycott of Chinese products or something like that
would be more effective.

Funny that the ' world-sherriff' US and A wont step in against this ' evil dictator '.
Because no oil is involved, they have nothing to gain by stepping in either....

Do you mean this free software from SBaGen?
I just wrote a focus 27 sample to a WAV file and burned it on CD, it works fine.
Here is the link:
http://uazu.net/sbagen/
SBaGen -- Binaural Beat Brain Wave Experimenter's Lab

I have to learn this anchoring thing too. Thanks for all that good advice you guys posted!
Sometimes when I feel the lucidity fading I try to
grab something, only to wake up because I moved my real hand.
On other occasions, after I've been roaming for quite a while,
I wake so suddenly and unexpected that there is no time to
take counter-measures to stay in the dream.
Tried spinning once, but it failed.
Maybe it should become a routine to stay constantly anchored to
some dream-items? Use the sense of touch as much as possible?

Seems to be all a matter of the ability to concentrate for a very long time.
Sounds funny, but I noticed that vitamins and minerals seem to play a role in it.
It also helps me to stay alert when I drink green tea or hot chocolate before going to sleep.

I see, this is just some theoretical musing, you want to know if this would work.
Interesting questions.

1. I think it is possible to influence the body with the mind so it shuts down,
    but it would take a lot of training.

2. To invite some spirit to take over your body
    could get you into serious trouble.
    If you end up possessed, it may be very hard to get rid of that entity again that
    you invited, because you gave permission to be possessed.
    Even if it is just something created by your own subconscious mind,
    it might be very hard to get back to normal again.

3. And with asking "the higher self" to take over, don't know if that would work.
    It's probably this very "higher self" which is already in charge anyway,
    which determines if you live or die.
    I've never seen any "higher self " because I believe that there is only one consciousness in this
    universe, so why should there be as many different separate higher selves as there are people,
    if everything personal is ultimately just an illusion? ( might collide with other belief-systems here)
    But I doubt that I could tell "it" what to do.
    Would be more likely the other way round, otherwise it wouldn't be "higher", would it?

Hi, have you heard about the crisis in Burma?
Burma is ruled by one of the worst military dictatorships in the world.  This week Buddhist monks and nuns began marching and chanting prayers to call for democracy. The protests spread and hundreds of thousands of Burmese people joined in -- they've been brutally attacked by the military regime, but still the protests are spreading.
I just signed a petition calling on Burma's powerful ally China and the UN security council to step in and pressure Burma's rulers to stop the killing. The petition has exploded to over 371,660 signatures in a few days and is being advertised in newspapers around the world, delivered to the UN secretary general, and broadcast to the Burmese people by radio. We're trying to get to 1 million signatures this week, please sign below and tell everyone!
http://www.avaaz.org/en/stand_with_burma/tf.php

Maybe if many people sign this, something is moving in the collective subconscious to help those people?

Hi zorgblar

I think "astral projection" and "evidence" is sort of a contradiction as you tend to meet your own beliefs
when you project.
The only kind of "evidence" I can think of are validations on the physical plane.
I would be careful to take anything for the truth that I meet over there.

Thanks Sarah
Fair enough, thats fine with me 

I don't want to mess with anyones  beliefs, because what a person believes
at a certain time in their live is probably the right thing for them at that moment.
I'm in no position to judge that. Of course we all think we believe the right thing,
otherwise we would change our mind and believe something else.
So if those things happen to be different, we can only agree to disagree and leave it at that.
The more different viewpoints come together, the more interesting the discussion, I think.

Now I go a bit looking at the older posts, lot's of interesting stuff buried there!

Bird

  Very unlikely. Even all the children you have with one women will look different, the genes getting a new mix. But an interesting question.
I know two women who look like identical twins, but they are only sisters. Nothing is impossible, this thing could happen.

Hi Sharpe,

Like you I'm only interested in the phenomenon of astral-projection
without any religious or spiritual concepts attached to it.
A lot of people are probably not aware, that this phenomenon and their
favorite spiritual concepts about it are not one and the same thing.
There is this circular logic, that because the phenomenon exists, the
religious concepts must be the truth.

What you said about the functions of the body and the brain and about the myth of a reincarnating
soul reminds me a lot of U.G. Krishnamurti ( not Jiddu).
here is a link about that guy :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uppaluri_Gopala_Krishnamurti

I respect peoples beliefs although I don't want to share them.
Is this place really like a church where atheists or non-believers are not welcome? 

You could as well delete this thread, it doesn't make any sense as the original post has been edited out...

My ancestors came from Lithuania, but the last one in my family to speak that language was my grandmother.
Last time I heard it I was 12 years old and she was talking to my great-grandmother. My mum could still understand it. I think it sounds somewhat similar to the Portuguese language.
But Cortexia is funny, isn't the "cortex" a part of the brain where dreams take place?

The only difference between LD and projection is to me that when I become lucid in the middle of a dream I have missed the start. When I project, I go consciously into the dream right from the start.
Both can take place in the RTZ or somewhere else and the shift can take place at any stage.
The degree of lucidity and control is something different altogether. That's how I see it.

You can go anywhere you want from a lucid dream.
To me LD's and projections are pretty much the same.
Good to have a strong motivation, that keeps you going,
good luck!

Do you mean the dream-hackers?

No, it cost more than 1000 $, and I couldn't afford it.
I tried to chat a bit with the guy who sold it, but he was quite terse,
like he didn't want to waste his breath on someone who won't buy anything
expensive...
Anyway, this dream happened 10 years ago, it just got stuck with me, because
back then the shock kind of turned my world upside down.

Thanks for the warm welcome!

Yes, I found already heaps of good stuff in these forums, look forward to see more.
Especially the shared dream experiences and validations fascinate me.
The loneliness in the dream-world got sometimes too much for me, so I started to visit my
friends in a dream and tell them that we were dreaming. But they never remembered anything.
Then I started to look for other lucid dreamers or other conscious beings and I met a few, once
someone even told me a name and address, but they got garbled up when I woke.
(All I remembered was "Walter Yehoo or Jehu" and Switzerland)
So I won't give up on that one, and I still try to wake friends as well, I'm also going to try to find API
and get there at a time when someone is around...
And I'm still very far from being an accomplished dreamer,there is so much to learn,
well it's going to be lot's of fun with you guys anyway!

Birdy