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REPEATEDLY THROUGH SEVERAL PEOPLE IT HAS SAID "YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHO THE F... I AM!!!"

It is a straight up body snatching spirit from hell. It inhabits people I know and talks to me. Especially if they are under the influence of alcohol/drugs and or TIRED/ANGRY. It also comes out of nowhere and says cryptic things through people to let me know it is really there. It talks to me in the astral and  tortures me there sometimes when I try to project. PEOPLE GENERALLY DO NOT REMEMBER THE CONVERSATIONS WHEN I ASK THEM ABOUT THEM LATER. i have even started carrying a tape recorder around to prove i am not crazy AND HAVE SHOCKED PEOPLE WHO DID NOT REMEMBER WHAT THEY SAID ON TAPE WHILE MEANINGLESS TO THEM WAS CRYPTIC TO ME!

i'm not joking im having serious problems like denzel in fallen over here

excuse me maybe the dude has a serious problem here. try having them fall asleep in the same room or close by and having them locate their bodies  in the astral. thats the only thing i can think of.

How do I kill them??

Here is a PRIME EXAMPLE of a TEST that happened to me last night.

I went to sleep with a strong intent to project. I didn't make a conscious exit, but I found myself lucid in a strange mall. In the mall I spotted a pool hall. I was very much aware of the fact that I was back sleeping on my couch this whole time. Anyway I saw three people about my age, maybe a little older playing pool. I grabbed a stick and asked if I could be the 4th person in a 2 on 2 game. So we started playing and we were clearly making impossible shots. It was quite fun actually. Anyway the people started asking me questions like, what is your name, what is the date, what location are we in. As I started to anwser the questions correctly I was led out of the poolhall through the mall. They told me the mall was in my town, and there was clearly not a mall like this in my town. I walked down a rather long flight of steps and found myself on top of a mountain with a rocky gravel path that went downward. I started walking down the path, on the path I saw an acorn and chewed on it. I did this to verify the "reality" of the experience as I always do something like this and, it was indeed a real acorn. I remember hearing the gravel as I walked on it, I looked up in the sky then I awoke on the couch. When I woke up I immediately felt like I was just in some kind of test and that the mall i walked out of was some kind of space craft or vehicle with "holographic" projections inside. The outside of the "craft" when I was walking on top of the mountain seemed more real then the inside

And to the people who say that it is just a "part of me" or some kind of "test. I totally disagree and would never accept the experiences I have had as a part of me because they clearly are not. To make them a part of me would drive me insane, and I would lose control and I know this for a fact.

I agree with everything your saying recoverer, and I agree mostly with everything everybody else is saying. HOWEVER, this is not limited to just us people that know how to OBE. I know for a fact these same beings influence people that don't know how to OBE or don't know anything about the astral. I can sense it in them constantly that they are being influenced. It seems like a war on many levels not just 1 on 1. Yes, I may be able to conquer them on a 1 on 1 level with love and asking for gods help, however my concern is mainly not only for myself, but for people that don't know about OBE and don't know of these beings.

There I used paragraphs so its easier to read sorry about that guys

Oh I forgot to add there is QUITE a bit of space junk around the earth!!

Yes I have traveled out of the solar system, extremely far, I don't exactly know how far or to where but here is what happened.

I was dreaming regularly, I was standing in the middle of the street with two people beside me. I realized I was sleeping. I stated that I was dreaming. The person to my left I think it was told me I was not dreaming. I replied with yes I am and immediately I shot straight up into the sky. I should note that it was daytime in my dream, I shot up into the sky and then thought of my house and landed back down on the street. It was night time now. I found that interesting. I then looked up to the sky and saw a star, before I knew it I was immediately moving at speeds I have never moved before. I looked back and saw the earth. I stopped and took a look at it and it seemed to have two multicolored bands around it. I continued on past the moon and mars. I kept on going at incredible speeds until I reached what looked like a double star with a green gas giant and other planets. I was very amazed at this sight, but then thought of my house and was immediatley pulled back to the street outside my house. I then looked up in the sky again and started traveling towards another star. I did this unintentionally, the power of thought was very powerful and very quick it took me by surprise. I thought of my house again and looked up again and was again travelling towards a different star. I was literally bouncing on and off the earth several times at speeds I could never have imagined. Eventually I was able to gain some sort of control over this and started flying around my town. I remember distintcly feeling different when I was on street level and that the air seemed thicker on the street level and that it seemed harder to "hold myself together" for lack of a better term, down on the street. My body itself seemed completely different then it usually is when I project, it was like I was a pure "energy" for lack of a better term. I saw other people dreaming in the houses below me I remember thinking I had been out for a while and telling myself I had to remember this and didn;t want to forget so I reentered my body. This same scenario has 3 times in my life that I could remember.

lay on your back, don't eat anything, try to move as little as possible, have as little noise in the room as possible, use something to cover your eyes. mind awake/body asleep.

CFTTraveler,

First off I would like to thank you for reading that long rambling post and I would also like to thank anybody else that read it and gave their respective advice as well. It is important to note that I had no religous beliefs prior to this, no beliefs in oobes or anything. When I died I thought it would be over, just nothingness. What I saw during the projections are what influenced the beliefs, not the other way around. I started reading various religous,message board and mythical things that matched up to thing I had seen out of body, thats all. There are many passages relating to OOBE in the bible. Anything that has to do with OOBE I am willing to read, because I want to know what is happening to me out there. I don't necessarily buy into the dweller thing and the fear thing either. I feel like the fear is being projected at me by the entities, not coming from me. I conciously know there is nothing to be afraid of when I am OOBEing. I know that I am out of body and therefore I am a "spirit" and can't be "killed". I wake up everytime from it so I know I can get back, although sometimes I have my doubts that I may have died. For the most part, I feel the fear coming from the entities, almost like a telepathic message. I literally feel pain,scenes of places, fear and negative emotions being projecting ONTO ME. Even neutral/successful projections seemed like I was just an animal in a zoo seeing what I would do without interference. I feel like a fish in a fishbowl most of the time. How do you truly know CFT, that your experiences are not happening in a negative entitys astral fishbowl that they created for you to swim around in? When somebody tells you a story in the physical, don't you get a vague vision in your head of the events that transpired? People are very capable of placing eachother in "fishbowls" with storys, what makes you think a nonphysical entity cant.

Here are a few more things I left out, as I am wondering if anybody has had any similiar experiences as me. I have become lucid in more then several "nightmares". During these "nightmares" when I became lucid I would often question myself how was I sleeping when literally days or weeks had gone by in my "nightmare". It seemed almost impossible that I was asleep during these. At which point people in my dreams would argue it was impossible I was sleeping. I could literally feel memories of days and weeks being "implanted" for lack of a better word. Sometimes memories would be "implanted" to be used in a later dream to convince me I was awake. Almost everytime these would be "nightmares".

I should note out yet another constant. When I try to call out to God or Jesus sometimes I find it extremely hard to talk or open my mouth. When I do open my mouth, my voice sounds VERY distorted and almost inhuman like. its kind of like I'm screaming underwater?

The problem is that alcohol generally causes people to lower their shields, opening doors for other entities to manage to take posession of a chakra or worse.

There has to be a reason so many dark beings are following you, I see many possibilities as a cause, a lot of karma, a house laden with negative energies etc.

Calling out for the Light or Jesus Christ is definatly something recommended!
The best way to solve a problem is always to let the higher-self manage it and accept it's guidance.

I agree, Alcohol is a key player, however I don't consider myself as heavy as a drinker as most of the people I surround myself with and tend to only drink in moderation. Sometimes I will resort to drinking heavily if I had a bad experience the night before and sometimes I can feel a bad experience coming before I go to sleep so I will drink in order to avoid the experiences which is not good. I don't know why they are following me, I haven't been the greatest person in the world.

CFT Traveler- I know it was long, and rambling but I guess without it being that long, people wouldn't get the gist of what I am experiencing. This post could literally be 100,000 words longer.

T.L- I was never religous at all, until I started having these experiences. The experiences got me reading the bible, various other religous books and books on astral projection. I am very aware that I am laying on my bed in these projections. Sometimes it appears like I am being tricked by the entities into thinking I am awake, thats all.  In my physical life all is normal, except for the obvious signs were the entity wants me to know it is real. I have never seen it in the physical except for knocking things over, and strange noises. Or it will seemly make very omnious statements through people I know, especially when they are under the influence of alcohol/drugs.

I've astral projected many many many times. More times then I can count. I pretty much 90% of the time have an astral projection if I am laying on my back and haven't eating anything. I've found it extremely hard to project while under the influence of alcohol. Anyways, I'd like to share my experiences because I have seen MANY SIMILIAR experiences to mine in various different forums and to be honest I need serious help. When I first started, I was not scared at all and would have fun flying around, exploring around my neighborhood or my house.

That all changed when I realised I wasn't alone. I learned inadverntly learned how to project when I was 17 years old. I was locked up for some stupid thing I did as a kid. This place was a juvenille boarding school type thing for troubled and disturbed kids. Anyway being in a room with two other people you didn't know, you always wanted to be the last one asleep. I didn't really figure out that I was projecting until I was about 18 or 19. I initially thought I had some kind of medical disorder and that I was dying in my sleep. Anyway this is going to be long so bare with me. I never had any religous beliefs, and I thought out of body experiences were a complete joke.

Boy was I wrong! I'm 24 now and I feel like an out of  body veteran. I realized there was "something" else out there slowly over time. At first, I chalked it up to my own imagination. I'd see people standing over my bed, or for lack of a better word horrible "monsters". This terrified me of projecting and many times I just wanted to go to sleep for normal. I became extremely annoyed that I couldn't sleep like I used to and wished I had never projected. Regardless of that, I believe that projecting is a wonderful thing and has made me a better and more wise person then I ever could be if I didn't project. I know for a 100% fact that there is life after death and that comforts me. What doesn't comfort me is where I might be going when I die.

Once two entities pulled me out of my body. I was horribly disfigured and in VERY intense pain, worse then anything I have ever felt in my life. These entities stood me up and had such horrible faces I could not bare to look at them. I did glance at both of them for a split second and I gathered that if I would have looked in their eyes for a second longer I would have woke up completely insane. It sounds crazy but here me out. When I looked in their eyes, I immediately could see there were actual "scenes" or "places" they could project on me. Like they could place me in an astral "cage" for lack of a better word with complete control of the scenery and images. I immediately tried to escape. I thought about going to another place in my town, and they started laughing INSANELY. I then felt something moving by my back. One of them allowed me to reach my right arm behind my back and I felt two stubs flapping where wings would have been. I then willed myself to wake up and immediately got a message that "my thoughts are my wings".

If that makes any sense. Anyway thats only the beginning, there were encounters before this, but nothing as vivid and horrible as this. I still believed that maybe I'm just imagining things and that demons or evil spirits weren't real. The frequency of the attacks increased. Before I would lay down to project or sleep, faces would appear right in my face, or just eyes. People or creatures would be standing right over my bed! One time I saw a set of blue glowing eyes right before I was about to project . I locked eyes with it in an attempt to confront it and immediately I was out of my body and the creature materialized right over me and started "pulling me" through my ceiling with it.It was all black with blue glowing eyes. Alarmed I immediately willed myself to wake up.

Another time I projected and I had entities that looked like they were half there and half not there running at me yelling "go back in your body" "your not allowed to do this". Other times I would be on a normal projection only to be paralyzed right wherever I was or thrown up against walls in my house. INTENSE PAIN worse then burning, feeling like I'm being eaten alive accompanyed a great deal of these projections. Not being able to move is another constant. Disturbed heart rhythms are frequent. A few projections I was literally stuck out of my body way longer then I wanted to be and thought I was dead and in hell. Attempts to run away, fly away and fight them are completely fruitless. The only thing that seems to work to some degree is yelling for god or jesus to help. That will usually wake me up if I can't get back.

Other times I see them I will yell at them to leave my house in jesus's name. Even more disturbing still is the apparent astral cage situation where the project scenes and images and places on to me. I was able to fight this off after not accepting it as real, only to be stuck in blackness and presented with another scene. These scenes would be of the worst kind. The worst monsters, homosexuality, rape, just the worst things imaginable. Things I would rather not get into. The process would repeat itself until I woke up and went back to sleep normally. Even more disturbing is when I get lucid in the middle of a dream. The "people" in my dreams will frequently tell me that this is not a dream and I am indeed awake. I literally have to argue with them that I am asleep and I know I am dreaming. They will go to any length to prove that I am awake including changing shapes into another person and changing the scene of the environment.

Many times I have thought I willed myself awake to get out of a bad situation only to realise I was dreaming moments after! This process has repeated itself as many as 20 times of a half hour before I finally woke up! While projecting I have encountered people from my real life and had to run away because I felt like I was losing conciousness and wouldn't be lucid anymore. I've had feelings of being eaten and have became lucid in the middle of this.The entities rarely talk to me and I get the feeling like they don't want me to know they even exist. When they do talk to me it is usually trying to convince me I am awake, or that I shouldn't be projecting. That they are going to harm me and my family, or they are going to make my life a living hell.

I never believed they were real. I challenged them to prove they were real which was extremely dumb of me. After I made the challenge I had dreams of minor future things happening that came true. Things that would never matter,except to show me they were real. They started speaking to me through my friends and people I know. Things in my house have been getting knocked over. I am a normal dude in my mid twenties and I have people over and we drink heavily on some occasions. One night I had placed a bunch of cans on the counter. Well the cans fell over and I thought nothing of it. Then some more cans fell over and I thought that it was a little weird. Well to make a long story short, all the cans and bottles ended up on the floor. All my friends were totally freaked out. My other friend claims to have seen a female entity in the house. I have seen a bunch of female entities in my dreams but they are mostly male. Mind you, I never told anybody about this for fear of my friends thinking I was insane.

 Anyway I had a girlfriend last year. On new years eve she got completely wasted, so I put her to bed. While when I put her to bed she started mumbling incoherently like most drunk people do. She stated there were 3 of us in the room. Alarmed and knowing my situation I said who is the third person and she mumbled a name but I could not make it out. She mumbled a bunch of other nonsense as well. I told her about it the next day and of course she had no recollection. I shrugged it off as drunkeness until some months later I was hanging out with my good friend. I never told him about this situation either. We drank a heavy amount, but I was clearly more sober then him and he could have swore there was three of us there. I assured him there was no third person, we had been hanging out quite some time. He repeatedly stated there was three of us there and that it was a female. Disturbed and thinking about my GF from a few month earlier and all that had been happening I was shaken.

I shrugged it off yet again until it happened again. Same friend, convinced a third person, female was there after drinking a heavy amount. Had no recollection either time. He did it one more time last week after drinking a heavy amount at my house. It should be noted the previous 2 times we were not at my house. And that in these situatons I had drank less then the people in question and had witnessed them drink themselves into oblivion. Thats not all, my dad seems to know something about all of this and has a bad drinking problem as well. Sometimes when I try to talk to him about my experiences he will totally claim that out of body experiences are all nonsense. Othertimes he will go on a kind of prophetic rambling about things that are going to happen and will just get weird and start talking about aliens, astral projection, demons and the devil. He makes little sense most of the time and almost seems like through his drunkeness he has become a puppet for a puppeteer. He seems like two different people and even his friends are noticing. Alcohol is obviously a player, but alcohol opens doors in itself...There has been so much more besides this, including the negative entities telling me to go places and witness specific small events. Like showing me a bear swimming across a river then a clock. Then I go outside and see the bear swimming across the river at the time specified. Stuff that would never benefit me in any way, except to prove their existance. Anyway this is turning into a book, and I seriously might write one.

i got out of my body briefley twice this morning, on the first attempt i rolled on the floor and the projection just faded, the second time i rolled onto the floor and was able to stand up, i looked at my hands and my arms, to my astonishment, i saw some very strange markings carved out on the top of my right arm that seemed to be some language i did not recognize. they were rather large and stopped at my elbow, i proceeded to walk out the front door, when the projection once again faded. i have never heard or experienced anything like this. ideas people?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I HAVE DONE THIS.....AND I HAD THE EXPERIENCE VALIDATED!!!!!!

HERE IS WHAT HAPPENED, I WAS NOT OOBE PERSAY, I BECAME AWARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A DREAM. AT THIS MOMENT A SCREEN OF EVENTS STARTING PLAYING IN MY HEAD. LIKE A T.V FLIPPED ON IN MY HEAD, THAT WAS TUNED INTO "THE FUTURE". ITS VERY HARD TO EXPLAIN. ANYWAY IT STARTED SHOWING ME FUTURE EVENTS AND ALL I HAD TO DO TO CHANGE THE CHANNEL WAS SIMPLY ASK IT SOMETHING. NOW THE ROUGH PART IS THAT THE IMAGES I SAW WERE SO DISTURBING(CONCERNING MINE AND PEOPLE AROUND ME'S FUTURE)THAT I COMPLETELY PUT THEM OUT OF MY MIND, FREAKED OUT AND STARTED ASKING IT FOOTBALL SCORES OVER THE NEXT SEVERAL WEEKS I WATCHED AS THE SCORES OF THE GAMES UNFOLDED EXACTLY LIKE I SAID THEY WOULD, EVEN PLAYERS THAT I SAW GET INJURED GOT INJURED. I WAS IN UTTER SHOCK AND HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS AGAIN, AND I SCARED THE CRAP OUT OF MY FRIEND!

dude it was so crazy though, so friggin real....

not a bad idea lol, i bet you'd wake up feeling like crap

lol i'd love to stay out for days

ok last night i was able to stay out a good hour and have a good projection...

here are some observations i noticed

1. i dont know why, but the "clearing the mind thing" doesn't work and just puts me to sleep. my mind was absolutely racing on overdrive when the "vibrations" came. i feel like its more of just not moving your body and not thinking about it and staying relaxed.
2. the first time the vibrations came i was scared because i felt a presence next to me, that i couldn't see, heard a loud whirring noise just out of my field of vision and it scared me so i quickly tried to get up although it took me like 20 seconds to break out of it
3.after i got up enough nerve to try it again, i just stayed with the vibrations and didn't even care, i think staying out has to do with getting comfortable with these and not trying to pop out of your body all quick.
4.when i got out i thought i was literally awake but knew i was projecting thats how clear everything was, that i was actually second guessing whether i was awake or not. i conistently had thoughts of "am i awake" and "this is so real" even though i knew i was projecting.
5.i tried to fly several times. i was able to jump pretty high, but unable to sustain flight. i leaped onto my roof to try to get a running start and fell flat on my face, although it didn't hurt . i did remember thinking a few times "if i'm awake this is going to hurt". im serious....thats how real the whole thing felt.
6.there was a pain in my back, but yet not when i fall off my roof? it was weird.
7.i don't know if i got too close to my body, but i felt sick or drunk for a little while, it was weird.
8.i tried to visit someone, since i couldn't fly i ran down the street and thought of them. it didn't work out, anybody have any tips for this?

i've been there quite a bit and actually had a few good ones but most of the time i'm can't get within 15-20 feet of my body b4 losing projection is there a reason for this something im doing wrong?

i have done much reading, but how do you get rid of the blindness or the pull back to my body so quickly?