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Hi All,

I used to get the same thing when I was younger, as well. Almost every night it seemed, as I was falling asleep it would feel like I was on a boat gently rocking on the waves. I didn't think anything about it, because it was "normal" for me.



CWH

Hi Venus,

It looks like you are really close, huh. Don't get discouraged. It WILL happen. When I was reading your post, I immediately thought that the problem may be too much anticipation of the event. I went through much the same thing and still struggle with it some.

When you feel like something is about to happen, instead of getting swept away by what you think is about to happen, try to relax your mind and observe what is actually happening as dispassionately as possible. The projection will take place then.  I know this will seem impossible at first, but it does help, or at least it helped me.

Also, it sounds like you've already got someone/something trying to help you, so maybe that will help even further.

Just my 2 cents,


CWH

Hi bjm2997,

Ditto everything alchemist wrote. That was some really good advice in my opinion.

When I first started to experience astral projection I feel like I wasted a lot of time because I was expecting to feel the separation, which I barely ever did. This lead me to doubt my experiences, because my experiences were different that what others were describing. Now, many years later, I believe everyone will experience this phenomenon differently, so it's good not to get too hung up on what we may expect to happen.

I don't lament the past, but I do wonder how my development would have progressed if I had had access to this resource 14 years ago.

Anyway, the main thing is not to get discouraged or give up. Keep practicing. I will happen.


CWH

Hi Venus,

That was a cool experience!

Sorry, but I don't have any definite answers for you, but I do have a thought or two.

First, maybe when you decided to transfer your consciousness to the orb is was that you were relying on your instincts. I believe that we are much more at home in the astral than we realize, and that sometimes when we want to do something or need to do something, these ideas of how to do it occur because maybe we've done it all before.

Or an alternative could be that a helper gave you the idea telepathically, but personally I like the first idea better.

Secondly, the invisibility of the pyramid and people. My thinking on this is that it has to do with energy levels and vibrations. Perhaps things were on a different level energetically, which prevented them from being visible, but they were still close enough that you could feel their presence.

Or it could be that they just didn't want to be seen yet.

That's all I have now, I hope it helps.

Happy travels

CWH

Hi RJA,

Thanks for reading and for your thoughts.

For the most part agree with everything you said. I especially agree that, in most cases, being consumed by an end-of-the-world phobia is really just an expression of our own un-confronted fears of death,dying and the unknown.

However, I would say that usually the things we see in dreams and astral journeys are for our own development. The thing is, for me, this part of my spiritual journey also involves sharing what I've learned with others, however awkwardly and clumsily I might do it. In the case of this experience, the message to me was clear, and that was simply to share what I saw and explain it as best as I could.

One way that this experience applied to my personal journey, I think, was in committing to the uncomfortable act of sharing it in the first place. I mean who really wants to be like that guy on the street corner shouting with the card board sign that says, "Repent for the end is near." Nobody wants to be that guy because he is a raving loon most often.

I do believe that what we see, and do, and learn, and bring back can sometimes benefit others on their respective journeys. Someone could read something we write and maybe it triggers something in them or helps them realize something they have been wrestling with or puzzling over. Who knows how that kind of thing works, but we all know it does sometimes.

Anyway, thanks again to you and everyone else for reading and sharing your thoughts.


CWH

Oh, and thanks for the book tip, too.

Hi Cosima,

Actually, your question about taking that energy with me is something that has been very much on my mind since my first visit to the pyramid almost three weeks ago. I have noticed some differences, albeit they are very subjective and could just be my imagination.

Some things I've noticed in my real life since this experience is that I seem to have more energy. By that, I mean I've been waking up very refreshed much earlier than usual. This is very odd for me as I am definitely not a morning person. But this has been great for the morning practice sessions.

My dreams also seem to be much more vivid lately and stranger that usual. And my intuition seems to be getting stronger and more accurate as well. For example, the other day I had a very vivid, nearly lucid dream. During part of it I was speaking to a colleague of mine that I hadn't spoken too in some time. I puzzled over the meaning of this for a day or so, and then it hit me, that I was going to meet this colleague again in real life this past weekend. I told this to a another friend of mine for validation. Sure enough, we ran into the guy on Sunday.

Apart from that the main difference has been in the phasing ability itself, which has gotten noticeably easier, but I still have much further  to go.

Of course it could all be coincidence and my imagination, but I don't think so.


Hi jub jub,

Filling stations. LOL

Seriously, though, that was one of the things I wanted to know about.  Namely, if more of these places exist, what they are, etc.

I also wish I knew how to describe this place so others could find it, too.

Thanks for reading, guys,


CWH

Hello All,

On 03/13/08 I had a really interesting experience that I would like to share. I was able to phase repeatedly that night. The entire session lasted just under an hour, but it felt like much, much longer. One of the journeys was especially weird, though.

From the void, I found myself in a this strange cityscape. The sky was a reddish-violet color, and there were these tall bluish, purplish buildings everywhere. I was really wowed by all of this. Then I turned and found myself facing the pyramid-structure.

I call it a pyramid, but that's not quite right. The building had a square foundation that was about 3 - 5 stories high, and then the sides sloped in together like the sides of a pyramid. The building was not solid. It was more like a skeleton. Imagine if someone made a line drawing of a  box with a pyramid on top of it, then the lines would represent the stone outline of this structure. The rest of the sides appeared to be open or at least transparent.

The building was glowing with a rainbow colored light. That sounds weird, but it was rainbow colored light. I was wondering what this thing was when someone told me that it was for rejuvenating and building energy. They told me to enter the building and see for myself. Whoever was telling me this was invisible to me.

So, I enter the building. It was completely open inside except for this one pedestal in the center of the floor that extended upward 30 feet or so toward the apex of the pyramid. There was more of the rainbow light coming from the pedestal and whole room was permeated with it.

I sit on the pedestal and begin to meditate. Almost immediately I feel this energy pour into me, from my crown downward. As it flows down, the areas corresponding to the chakras begin to buzz and energize. It felt awesome. Like pure, gentle, goodness.

Then it just stopped, and I was wondering what had happened. Then one of the invisible beings said that  that was all the energy I could handle at the moment, but it added that I could return any time.

Well, after I left this place and returned to the void, I was able to phase much more easily than before.

Now since 03/13, I've had at least three major phasing sessions like the one that night, and with each, one of the first places I go is back to the pyramid to charge up.

My question is has anyone else ever been to a place like this? What/Where do you think it is?

Thanks for reading. Sorry for the long post.

CWH

Phitau

I appreciate the zeal that you have for your theory. Its cool, but ultimately it's like the Dude said:  "that's just, like, your opinion, man." Because, in truth we don't know how this thing is going to play out.

As I stated before, I don't know a lot about the Maya, but let me clarify just a bit. I am aware that there was this society of people called the Mayans and that they somehow possessed advanced knowledge of subjects astronomical. And somehow, with stone-age technology were able to build these unbelievably accurate calenders, and for some reason these calenders just stop in or around 2012. What I don't know a lot about is all the theories and speculations about this mystery. For example, I had never heard of Nibiru before in my life.

Now, I understand that 2012 is drawing near. And I understand and accept the fact that what I saw could be part of a greater event, but I don't know this for certain.

What I do know, is that the projection I had the other day was not to the future. At least not anymore than a few days. For some reason, when I see a future event, it seems to usually manifest within a window about 2 weeks at the most. Therefore, I can say with relative certainty that I did not travel to the future.

What I saw was a warning and an explanation. As others have observed, these things, the food shortages and so on, are happening now. I believe the point of the whole thing was to encourage others to be aware of this fact, and, if possible, make moves toward becoming as self-sufficient as possible. I suggested planting a garden if you are able. Other suggestions would be to learn some survival skills perhaps, like how to start a fire without matches, how to fish, and hunt for your own food. When the end comes, nothing will guarantee that we survive at all, but being prepared and self-reliant should help. If things don't get really bad for 5 year, then there is time to learn a lot of things.

Honestly, I hope nothing happens.  At least in the physical world. A mass transformation of consciousness would be good, but this end of world catastrophe stuff has nothing for me.


CWH

Tayesin,

Thanks for the reply. I just have the following thoughts.

For me, the doom and gloom is for the great suffering that will occur. How many will perish? Millions, billions... facing death from starvation, natural disasters, and the civil unrest that coincide with these events.

Change is unavoidable, often painful, and more often than not, for the best. But for many, many people, these scenarios will be a time of great fear and suffering. It is for them, the unprepared and oblivious masses, that I feel compassion.


CWH

Phitau,

I'm not sure if what I saw was related to 2012 or not. Admittedly, I know very little about the Mayans and their calender. But, I guess it could be a part of it. I don't know.

One thing though, this message was not for the future. It was for now. Just look at the news. There are stories of food shortages appearing more and more frequently from all over the world. The weather is totally screwed up.

Also, honey bees and butterflies are starting to die off. Called Colony Collapse Disease, in the case of bees, I think. This may not seem important until you realize that these little creatures are responsible for helping pollinate food crops.

It would appear the earth is angry.

CWH

Hello All,

I was practicing this morning and was able to phase into the astral. I saw many things on this voyage, but there is one part of the journey in particular that I feel I should share.

At one point I was flying over a vast,flooded plain. I live in the US and we've had major flooding in the Midwest for the last week or more, so I felt like that is where I was. Anyway, I was in the air, looking down on all the flooding. Devastation as far as I could see into the distances. Then as looked into to flood-soaked plain, I began to see shapes moving on the waters, like reflections. Soon, these shapes took all kinds of forms. There where animals, birds, and even human-like faces in the water.

I don't know how I knew it, but I realized that all these creatures where the Spirits of the Earth. And they were angry, crying out against mankind. These floods seemed to be their way of attacking our food supply by devastating our cropland.

I thought that perhaps this was a judgement against the US specifically. But the Spirits said that they do not recognize political borders or national boundaries, that humanity in general has lost its sense of place in nature, and unless we find it again, soon, the earth itself will continue to wage war against us to restore balance.

Sorry, all. I hate to spread doom and gloom, but the last message I got was to share this with others. Also, if you have room, it might be a good idea to plant a garden this year if you are able.

CWH

Hi All,

I was rereading  Frank's model the other day, and the idea of consciously projecting into the subconscious mind really grabbed me. So I thought about it for a few days and decided last night to try it. 

I had been thinking yesterday about human potential, and how that we all have within us the capacity for so much for than we actually experience. We all have with in us superhuman potentials physically, mentally, and spiritually, but for some reason, generally speaking, we only scratch the surface.

So, my questions were...Why? What is it that blocks us from our true potentials?

Then last night I said my prayers, started deep breathing and relaxation in preparation of phasing into my subconscious mind. Soon I found myself in the void, watching shapes forming in the 3D blackness.

Then,I got this weird thought-- that this area, this void, or 3D blankness, was actually the Cave of The Original Spirit. This a term from chi kung training, that I had always assumed was just a typical, flowery, translation for a place to concentrate on when meditating. But here was the realization that at that moment,  I was actually the spirit in the cave, so to speak.

Anyway, this realization was pretty profound one for me, but I got over it soon and went back to the shapes and images forming in the void. Every now and then, I would recall my intent to enter my subconscious to find the answers to my questions.

Then after a while, I heard a voice. Then another. Then another. And  all were shouting discouragement, On and on until the voice were buzzing like thousands of bees.

They said no I can't, I would fail, It can't be done, It's not allowed.

I was in a huge place, like a stadium, in the center of the floor. The place was very dark but I could see the stadium was filled with people. I could see their faces dimly illuminated. Thousands of them, all shouting and screaming over one another so much so that I couldn't make out what anyone was saying distinctly, but I got their message loud and clear.

Then it was over, and I realized that one reason why we have such difficulty tapping our potential, is that for thousands of generations we have been told that we can't. That we are less. That it is not allowed. For every Buddha, every Christ, every Lao Tzu  who came, saying we are free, there have been millions of stadiums filled with people shouting No.

CWH

I've been thinking about the post above all afternoon. It is true that, to me, animals seem to live in a state of natural Satori. But I guess the difference is that they don't know it.

The rational mind can't be suppressed, and indeed it shouldn't be. We can never go back to the Eden-type innocence of the animal world. For humankind the journey is forward not back.

Ken Wilber says with much more eloquence, we must transcend the rational mind, which means we go beyond it but still include it.


Thanks for making me think. 

CWH

Hi Phitau,

This is a neat topic and one I have thought about many times. It seems almost anyone who has a pets learns that animals do have their own... personalities, for a lack of a better word. I have three cats, each raised from the time they were kittens, and each one has a distinct personality. One is laid back and lazy, one is absolutely fearless, and one is high-strung and easily freaked out, (think of Tweak from Southpark). It amazes me how anyone can say animals don't have emotions.. or personalities. I know they argue that the pet owner is just projecting meaning onto the animals instinctive behavior, but I, along with most pet owners,  know this is hooey.

Anyway, to the point of your post, I do believe that animals meditate. I have no proof of it, so take it for what its worth. But I do believe they meditate, at least in terms of chi kung and the movement of energy throughout their bodies. My teacher also had this belief. And some of the chi kung training I do supposedly came about from the observation of animals. So who knows.

As far as cats detecting evil/negative spirits/energies, I do have a brief experience to relate. Four or five years ago I was meditating one evening and everything was pretty much normal, when suddenly, I mean in a flash, everything changed. There was suddenly this feeling of negativity everywhere. It was oppressive in the extreme. Even the air seemed thicker and almost buzzing. Even my wife, who doesn't practice meditation, felt what was happening. And the cats went NUTS. All three running around all over the house wild-eyed and crazy. It was a site to see.And then stopped as fast as it started.

CWH

Hello all,

I was just wondering if anyone has any advice or suggestions for extending astral voyages. For me, these trips have always been viewed as a "side effect" of meditation and not any kind of goal of itself. Usually, I would be meditating, and suddenly I would be somewhere else, in another place and time. Kinda cool, but the problem is that there was no control of when or where I went. And while I have been allowed to see many amazing things, I have also at times, found myself in situations that where quite frightening and dangerous.

The latest such experience convinced me that I had to actively engage in developing my abilities in astral projection. My goal is to be able to project with full, conscious control anytime I choose and to stay out for as long as I choose.

Since finding this board, and incorporating some of the staggering amounts of information here into my training, I can already see progress. The problem I have is that the trips I have been having lately are very short, and still without any control of when or where I go. I usually find myself in a strange environment for a few moments, and then I am back to myself, C1 I think you call it.

So do any of you know any techniques for extending the trip. I think I read in one of Frank's posts that he could sometimes stay out for hours.  Wow.

Any help would be appreciated.

CWH

Thanks.

Your experience seemed pretty similar to my own.

When I experience fear in a dream, like a nightmare, it  usually makes the dream become lucid for me. I experience the fear, then I realize that I don't have to be afraid if I don't want to be afraid. I don't have experience this or that in the dream, I can change the dream however I want.

Whatever we experience that triggers awareness in the dream-state is good in my opinion. If you experience fear, or sense that something is odd, or out-of-place, and then use that emotion/realization as a doorway to lucidity, then I would suppose that you are well on the way.

CWH

Hi everyone.

I just wanted to say a quick hello. I found this forum a couple of weeks ago, and I have been reading here everyday since. There seems to be quite a lot of experience collected here, which is awesome. I decided to join for several reasons. One is to continue learning through interaction with others who share similar experiences. Another is that maybe by sharing my own experiences, others may profit.

I first experienced astral projection when I was a child, although I didn't know what it was. I was say 5 or 6 years old, with my family on vacation at the beach. I got too far away from shore when a huge wave hit me from behind and took me under the water. Suddenly I was outside myself, watching my body bounce off the sandy bottom, rolling underwater. When I got my feet and was able to get to the surface, coughing and gagging like mad, I was back in myself again, freaked out and wondering what the heck had just happened.

Anyway that was the initial step on this weird journey over 25 years ago.

I have also had spontaneous lucid dreams since I can remember, usually triggered by nightmares. Maybe that sounds strange, I don't know. Usually how it happens is that when I'm dreaming, if the dream turns negative or frightening. It usually makes me realize that I am, in fact, dreaming, and that I don't have to experience the nightmare if I don't want to. 

Then sometimes I have what I call "dreams that are not dreams". These are more along the lines of prophetic dreams or visions of future events.

And then of course there is Astral Projection. Evidently I have been spontaneously phasing for about 14 years now. In the meditation tradition I follow, astral projection is usually experienced in the classical sense, with the vibrations, and floaty-swirly feeling, followed by separation. I got that some, especially at first. But then later on, I started projecting immediately into other places, times, etc. Not knowing that there was already a name for it and much research already done, I just thought of it as projecting consciousness.

Wow, I said this would be a quick intro. Sorry.

Anyway, while I've enjoyed lurking here for a while, I felt that to make the most of this opportunity, I had to emerge from shadows, so to speak.

Thanks,

CWH