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#1
Welcome to Astral Chat! / State of Psychosis
September 01, 2002, 11:27:46
Greetings Andy;
  I have lots of knowledge and work experience in the field of psychology and psychiatry, and am happy to offer a very brief reply to your excellent question which has many many depths and complexities.

  One might start with the fundimental question of what do you mean by the word "psychotic?" (..but lets leave that alone for today...OK?)

   You mentioned religious figures (Jesus, devil, god) that are "seen." Are they also "heard?" (People who have the disease of schizophrenia have audio hallucinations, but rarely visual ones!)

   When the religious figure is "seen," are there independant verifications of the observation?

   I would say that if the reported observation originates solely within the head of the observer, that any religious figure within the memory or imagination of the observer is possible. And yes, in the West, Jesus is more likely then Allah; and in Soudi Arabia, Allah is more likely than Jesus.


#2
In Buddhism we say that there "are many paths to enlightenment."

The well informed dialogue of Adrain and Terri, point out that there are many ways to explore via non-physical means.



#3
It looks like we are all agreed that the OBE is morally neutral.

That being said, perhaps it is worth doing, for the shear joy of exploring something new!

#4
Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Ken Wilber
March 07, 2002, 21:59:24
I come to Wilber as a long time practitioner of zazen. I've only read one of his books, "The Essential Ken Wilber," but have perused his website enjoying his recent postings on his up-coming "Boomeritis" book.

In many books on Zen, the author explains the underlying "it" that is revealed through meditation in the authors' own idiom and experience. In Wilber's case that idiom is Western Philosophy and Psychology. And so, his books must have profundity and meaning for philosophers everywhere!

#5
I certainly welcome more views on this, but I for one do not see how an OBE can influence one's morality.

My operating assumption is that the OBE gives the traveler more information and a view of what is, from a different and not-so-normal perspective. If one were, as they say, set in ones' ways; it is not clear to me that more information, by itself, would necessarily change those habitual ways of functioning.

Indeed one could easily make the case that the additional information obtained via the OBE would be used in non-moral ways.

One might assume the optimistic stance that more information can be used to update, reform, or extend one's morality. But my view is that one should be cautious down this path, as I've experienced many disappointments consequent to unrealistic optimism.



#6
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Am I gifted?
March 07, 2002, 21:26:12
Ahhh...Darrenbeck invites us to consider the metaphysics of self deception!.....:)

On the one hand is the self deception of "never think you are gifted or extremely good at something otherwise you may sit back, relaxing , relying on your skills as they are.." I would add the further risk of falling into arrogance.

The other hand may have the self deception of unfounded criticism and self deprication. There is a risk here in an over-passivity, allowing evil to triumph when it could have easily been stopped, or in snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, as I've seen many sports' teams do. (...Of course in this approach all suprises are good ones....:))

A meta-physical challenge is to get to a point beyond self deception, and to a state of accurate (i.e. externally verifiable) self awareness and knowledge.

The capacity to see auras, and travel via the OBE, gives the see-er/travel-er more information, then those who do not so see or so travel. With this additional information likely comes additional duty and responsibility in regard to how the information is used. Hence my concern with arrogance/self deprication, and the "gift" vs "curse" inherent in the OBE and aura sight.




#7
Welcome to Metaphysics! / Am I gifted?
March 05, 2002, 22:12:01
Hi, DjMidgetman
 I was most impressed with your appearent gift of speed....speed in learning/doing activities that many work at diligently for long periods, before they can do them!

 Your "gift" reminds me of the story of author Silva Brown (NY Times bestselling psychic). She suffered greatly as a child, both from the great amount of input her "gift" gave her, and also from the criticism and rejection of most everyone, outside of her family.

 If you do not suffer at the hands of your "gift," we are truely living in a most wonderous time indeed!