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Like I said, the visual aura. I saw it in my dream and then woke up and continued to see it in waking life. The migraine visual aura lasts for 45 minutes.

It's looks similar to this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrrviW0Od-w&feature=related

and this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLJ00o-vmh0&feature=related

This phenomenon can be seen as an electrical depression in the physical brain on an MRI while it's in progress (this is extensively documented). Therefor I concluded that dreams were at least partially physical brain related or I would not have seen the visual aura.

Hope this helps.

When I was still having visual migraines something interesting happened in a dream. During waking life if I had a migraine I would see a zigzag c shaped colorful pulsating object in my sight. It would start small and then grow and blind me for about 45 minutes. These visual migraines were caused by mercury poisoning in my brain. I finally removed the mercury source and detoxed and have sense stopped having the visual migraines.

When I was still poisoned I was dreaming one night and had a migraine in my sleep and saw the zigzag c shape that I see in waking life, in my dream. This suggested to me personally, that my dreams were physical brain phenomenons. Unless the brain is a catalyst for the nonphysical realities, which is a viable possibility, but it's still brain related.

Now you have two sets of data suggesting dreams are physical if you choose to consider it.

Eckhart Tolle is unoriginal...sorry I work in a bookstore and sell his books...

I agree, he simply pulls together ideas from many different sources and makes a point which is basically that ego creates unhappiness in his opinion. . The way the unoriginal is presented however is unique in his own way. Some like it some don't.

Inico, only you can know if the book is good by reading it. Many have said the same thing as him as he himself points out

Here's the thing. To shrug something off as just that stupid primate brain might not be so wise. As I stated above, nobody really understand anything at the most basic level. What exactly is the brain. Nobody knows. Limited Earth view perspectives is all we have.

but there's nothing to say that dreams have any kind of physical basis other than a physical counterpart that takes place simultaneously

Well I saw a real life documentary that does kind of suggest that dreams are linked directly to the brain. They had this person sit in a room and they drew draw coordinates of the waking man's brain using MRI and the brain lit up a certain way throughout the day. Then they took the same person during sleep and ran the same MRI tests and the same parts of the brain were lighting up at exactly the same as during the day during the same time periods. It was almost as if the brain was reliving the days events.

Although this doesn't prove anything about astral projection it does suggest that the brain plays a part in dreams.

Yeah, there is a link in Xanth's signature on here. Just click it and join the chat.

If you like Monroe you should also read My Big TOE by Thomas Campbell. He was one of the founders of the Monroe institute and has taken on his on research. Additionally, I have read all of the Monroe books too and the second book "Far Journeys" is very good and in my opinion better then the first and the last book "Ultimate Journey" is out of this world. After I read Ultimate Journey, I seriously wanted to have another child. .

It's called the collective ego or the collective total identification with thought. I have heard Robert Bruce speak about Eckhart Tolle and turning off thinking as being a prerequisite for attempting OBEs and I understand why after reading his books. I suggest reading all of Eckhart Tolle's books.

BTW - When I said "this experience as being a human joke" I hope you realize that that was all inclusive. Meanng, I was talking about the entire human experience, everyone included.

I can say that having these experiences has completely opened up many new and interesting possibilities for me. I am no longer trapped within beliefs, which is one of the most liberating feelings I have ever had to date.

I would like for you to at least consider seriously why you think you are on Earth as a human. There is a very real reason why we are here experiencing this life and I think it might be for spiritual growth. This experience as being a human joke may actually be helping us all to grow and is every bit as interesting as other states of consciousness.

At worst, I'll die one day of natural causes or whatever, then I'll have reached Focus 3 <-- Very good!

I think people are also taking this absence of thought too seriously . When you clear thoughts more thoughts will creep in and the trick is to observe the thoughts without becoming attached to them. You will be observing your mind thinking from a separate awareness. Do you see where this is going?

Another example would be me telling you all about learning how to ride a skateboard. I can tell you all day how to do it and conceptually you might think you have it. Once you get on the skateboard and bust your butt, then you understand.

why is it so wrong to want to understand what is actually being done?

It's not wrong to want to understand. However you will never understand until you get there. Learn first, understand later. For example I learn to write code regularly. Then I get experience writing code which is when understanding in introduced. Learning and experiencing are two very different things and more often learning comes before understanding.

To dbmathis, I've heard of the idea of clearing thoughts to project, but then again I've also heard accounts of using ones imagination to induce the projection. It's these contrasting ideas that have confused me! And yet I don't think anyone is any less right about the methodology, but it's still confusing.

The more you think about it the less results you will have based on my experience. You have to understand that some are better than others at describing in "words" what is actually going on. What do they actually mean by imagination? It's hard to know. Perhaps they meant fill their mind with random images that have no association with "thought"? My suggestion to you is to not dwell so much on "words" and use your intuition more. Remember that sometimes what you read is not what the writer meant.

When repeating a mantra, imagining an image or remembering the taste of an award winning BBQ I might conclude that it was precisely those actions that caused the altered state of consciousness. Then on the other hand all of the actions lead to a cessation of incessant thought. Stop thinking about things and let your mind go blank. It's hard to do I know. See what happens. Don't expect anything because that's thinking again and nothing will happen. Stop thinking.

I hope this helps.

The way I achieve what is called an OBE varies. Normally I need to been semi-rested and relaxed. I simply close my eye's and I stop thinking. It is critical for me to stop thinking or nothing happens. Once I am relaxed and my thoughts are turned off normally what happens is that my physical body sensory input ends and I am left with a single point of consciousness.

Normally at this point things come natural. I usually find that I have transitioned to seeing without eyes and simply teleport to a desired location or simply float  out of my house and proceed to explore what people call the RTZ. I really don't use exit techniques lately, however when I first started I would instinctively roll out to one side which always seemed to work.

Please understand that I have never mistaken this state for a dream. I know my physical world name and have full waking consciousness. I normally have sight, hearing and sense of touch. Sometimes my consciousness is shared between my physical aspect and my other point of awareness.

I hope this helps

Now, to be able to watch dreams would be cool all by itself.

You have a great point. However, Robert Bruce has spoken of downloading through the cord (to retain the OOBE in memory). If that's done, the dream machine then picks it up, right?

Yeah, I read his book. I am not sure. Would the downloaded memory be considered a dream and do we have a way to prove what he is saying is true. There is no way of knowing whether the statistical correlation is of a "causal" relationship or of a "common cause" relationship. Just because he says the memory is downloading doesn't mean that's what's actually occurring. It's Robert's best attempt to describe an event that's very hard to describe.

We know that through objective observation (MRI comparisons). This does not by any means equate to absolute truth. It's simply a shared observation. Please do not misinterpret my intent here which is to demonstrate that all we can do is observe and best describe what we are seeing from a limited perspective.

You are making a huge assumption here. We know through the collective objective observation of data that dreams are at least partially associated to the physical brain. However there is no real data to suggest that altered states of awareness (that indicate that a person is experiencing a remote event) is happening locally in the brain. We only have subjective and limited shared objective data describing the astral state.

This may eventually help to pin down the origin of events but it's likely not to invalidate the experience, because at the most fundamental level no human being understands physics or what holds the laws of physics in place. This includes the human brain and what makes it possible at the most basic level.

You don't have to go far to reach the conclusion that the beginning of everything we know of is rooted in mystical origins. For example the scientific cause and effect. Must everything have a cause? If "no" then one leaps immediately to invoking mystical beginnings. If "yes" then the beginning is a logical impossibility. If "yes" is a logical impossibility then the only logical possibility is a mystical beginning whether objective science likes or understands it or not. Do you see how logic is better than bad physical reality rooted science?

I joined that IRC channel BTW. Do you mind if I idle in there? Do you get traffic through there? It reminds me of the good ol days back in the 90s on IRC before the modern internet was around.

was this from like a week or so ago?

Yeah, I think so. It would have been in that location at about that time. *I think*.

Some I agree with some I do not... but interesting none-the-less.

One thing that his books have taught me is to hold judgment on things that I might agree / disagree on or believe / not believe in until whatever it is can be properly evaluated through careful objective science. I am not saying that you are not basing this reply on carefully evaluated personal experiences compared against the data in his books. If you have that's some great progress.

I have read his books and honestly I just don't have enough experience in the astral realms to really say anything other than it's a very interesting possibility that I can hopefully prove to be valid or invalid at some later date.

Hello Brothers and Sisters of Consciousness

I have a new Thomas Campbell video up on my site if anyone is interested in hearing him speak at the Monroe Institute.

http://www.malleablelight.net/videos/thomas-campbell/ - Thomas Campbell – The Monroe Institute Lecture

I know that most of us strive to both a) achieve altered states of consciousness and then b) once we do we often wonder how it all fits together (the physical and the meta-physical) and what it all means. Thomas Campbell is a nuclear physicist who has created a model of the bigger reality based on his own personal explorations of consciousness which started out in his early 20s at the Monroe Institute back in the 70s. He helped to make the Monroe Institute what it is today.

He now has 30 years experience in out of body explorations and I am certain that many of you will love this new video of his.

Best Regards

David

It's possible but I would assume you would need to have some experience under your belt.

Is malleable light yours, dbmathis?  If so, nice.

Thanks, Yeah it's my WIP. I created the site a year ago when I had my first OOBE to document my progress and to have a place to collect information that I find useful.

Thanks for sharing. This type of post helps humanity so much.

Before this Friday, I was still somewhat skeptical that out of body experiences are not just strange dreams. I now 100% know that this is real, and that we really are more than just physical matter.

It's amazing how persistent this illusion of physical reality is huh? Billions of years of Earth history or so it appears on the surface. Actually we're breathing in the same moment that the Earth was created, that the universe was created.

I am not saying that the physical is not real, just that there is an incredible depth to everything that is far to often overlooked.

Yeah, I agree that this is a glimmer of hope for humanity. What I liked about it, was that he says that the theory must be tested by going there, which is inviting closed minded folks to actually give it a shot . I know that not everyone will be believers, even after experiencing the astral, but I know many will be touched very deeply and reach to the core of their being when they go astral.

Glad people liked this.