Thank you for the advice, EV, and Lionheart, interesting idea. Certainly opens all kinds of possibilities. Will put all this advice into practice!
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Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Phasing is easy!
November 07, 2013, 15:40:58
Hey guys, I figured I'd post my latest discoveries here, maybe some other beginner can find hints for his journey.
I've been practicing phasing for about a month now. I've yet to fully phase, but I'm making progress just about every day. Only yesterday did I realize, however, how truly easy and painless this process is! I've been having what I call "micro-phases" for the past few days now, and I didn't even recognize them for what they were. I would be in my bed, relaxing, then suddenly and without any symptoms I would be in some different scenario! I'm at roughly my sixth this morning, they only last for an instant, really, they're over before I even know what happened. When I get "snapped back" to the physical, my heart tends to race for a few seconds (only after the experience, not during). I guess it's what Frank was calling the "protective awareness", which needs some time to get used to these things. I used to focus on these physical symptoms before, thinking "uhh, interesting sensations, I think something's happening" -- which would only make my pulse quicken, to ruin my relaxation. All the while, not knowing I had actually phased for an instant, and I was looking in the wrong direction! Again, I think the most important thing I wanted to share with all the other struggling beginners is: when phasing, there are no symptoms! I can't overstate this enough, because even after reading Frank's pdf, where he hammers this over and over, I was still looking for a sort of consciousness shift, or some sort of warning, or physical message saying "you're there". There are none! You'll be relaxing in your bed, wondering if you'll succeed tonight, and then you'll simply be there. No vibrations, no sinking feeling, no thunder sounds in your head, none of the traditional stuff that I've experienced before (which is pretty uncomfortable, btw).
For example, yesterday, as I was relaxing, I was letting my mind drift here and there, and then, with no break in consciousness, my right hand was turning some kind of switch. At the time, I remember perfectly, there was nothing suspicious about it. I was just operating a switch, naturally and fluently, like I always do, from the comfort of my bed... hey, wait a second! I think I just phased!
It's just like how in dreams the scenario changes a lot, but for you, the character, it seems perfectly natural, you don't wonder about it.
Another thing, the rundown. I've had very little success with rundowns, because of a combination of factors: I can't find an interesting enough rundown, that I can also visualise well, or if I do, chances are it won't be that interesting the next day. So what I do instead, is I try to slow down the "falling asleep" process to the extent where I can identify the threshold and just hover there. For this, I use a mental countdown from 300 backwards, pretty quickly, about 2 numbers per second. If I reach 0, I start over. The countdown keeps me awake while my body is falling asleep. When I get to 200, my heart is already slowing down. When I'm at 0 the first time, I'm well underway. By the time I'm at 0 the second time, my body is asleep. I've never actually felt the traditional F10 state, where I can't move my body, can't hear with my ears, etc. My body is always there, I can always move it, if I want to. But it's totally numb (especially my hands), my mouth is dry like when you're sleeping, my breath is short and sudden, and if I move a bit I feel that pleasant morning laziness which indicates lack of muscle tone. So, for beginners like me, if you think you can't get to Monroe's F10, but you have the above symptoms, you're already there!
After the second countdown, I can generate hypnogogics at will, sometimes they invade my mind without me asking. I also find it much easier to imagine any scenario I might want, but generally I just kind of let my mind go here and there, imagining various things, while always maintaining that thread of awareness in the back of my mind. If I feel it slipping, I start counting again. And it's at this stage that the various interesting things happen. As I'm imagining these random scenarios, I'll get something unexpected happening in one of them! A person that I didn't think of, or, like yesterday, I start interacting with the image. Exactly like what others have described. Currently, it takes me about 30 minutes to get to this stage, and I usually have one or at most two micro-phases per session. After that, I get too excited and antsy, and I give up for a few hours. I see every one of these occurrences as a success, a reason for celebration!
(which is why I get excited). Mornings and evenings tend to be a bit easier for me, but mid-day works well too.
It's all in us, and it's so simple and natural! You don't need any methods, any techniques, basically, if you can fall asleep, you can phase!
I've been practicing phasing for about a month now. I've yet to fully phase, but I'm making progress just about every day. Only yesterday did I realize, however, how truly easy and painless this process is! I've been having what I call "micro-phases" for the past few days now, and I didn't even recognize them for what they were. I would be in my bed, relaxing, then suddenly and without any symptoms I would be in some different scenario! I'm at roughly my sixth this morning, they only last for an instant, really, they're over before I even know what happened. When I get "snapped back" to the physical, my heart tends to race for a few seconds (only after the experience, not during). I guess it's what Frank was calling the "protective awareness", which needs some time to get used to these things. I used to focus on these physical symptoms before, thinking "uhh, interesting sensations, I think something's happening" -- which would only make my pulse quicken, to ruin my relaxation. All the while, not knowing I had actually phased for an instant, and I was looking in the wrong direction! Again, I think the most important thing I wanted to share with all the other struggling beginners is: when phasing, there are no symptoms! I can't overstate this enough, because even after reading Frank's pdf, where he hammers this over and over, I was still looking for a sort of consciousness shift, or some sort of warning, or physical message saying "you're there". There are none! You'll be relaxing in your bed, wondering if you'll succeed tonight, and then you'll simply be there. No vibrations, no sinking feeling, no thunder sounds in your head, none of the traditional stuff that I've experienced before (which is pretty uncomfortable, btw).
For example, yesterday, as I was relaxing, I was letting my mind drift here and there, and then, with no break in consciousness, my right hand was turning some kind of switch. At the time, I remember perfectly, there was nothing suspicious about it. I was just operating a switch, naturally and fluently, like I always do, from the comfort of my bed... hey, wait a second! I think I just phased!
It's just like how in dreams the scenario changes a lot, but for you, the character, it seems perfectly natural, you don't wonder about it.Another thing, the rundown. I've had very little success with rundowns, because of a combination of factors: I can't find an interesting enough rundown, that I can also visualise well, or if I do, chances are it won't be that interesting the next day. So what I do instead, is I try to slow down the "falling asleep" process to the extent where I can identify the threshold and just hover there. For this, I use a mental countdown from 300 backwards, pretty quickly, about 2 numbers per second. If I reach 0, I start over. The countdown keeps me awake while my body is falling asleep. When I get to 200, my heart is already slowing down. When I'm at 0 the first time, I'm well underway. By the time I'm at 0 the second time, my body is asleep. I've never actually felt the traditional F10 state, where I can't move my body, can't hear with my ears, etc. My body is always there, I can always move it, if I want to. But it's totally numb (especially my hands), my mouth is dry like when you're sleeping, my breath is short and sudden, and if I move a bit I feel that pleasant morning laziness which indicates lack of muscle tone. So, for beginners like me, if you think you can't get to Monroe's F10, but you have the above symptoms, you're already there!
After the second countdown, I can generate hypnogogics at will, sometimes they invade my mind without me asking. I also find it much easier to imagine any scenario I might want, but generally I just kind of let my mind go here and there, imagining various things, while always maintaining that thread of awareness in the back of my mind. If I feel it slipping, I start counting again. And it's at this stage that the various interesting things happen. As I'm imagining these random scenarios, I'll get something unexpected happening in one of them! A person that I didn't think of, or, like yesterday, I start interacting with the image. Exactly like what others have described. Currently, it takes me about 30 minutes to get to this stage, and I usually have one or at most two micro-phases per session. After that, I get too excited and antsy, and I give up for a few hours. I see every one of these occurrences as a success, a reason for celebration!
(which is why I get excited). Mornings and evenings tend to be a bit easier for me, but mid-day works well too.It's all in us, and it's so simple and natural! You don't need any methods, any techniques, basically, if you can fall asleep, you can phase!
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Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hello!
October 23, 2013, 03:57:25
Thank you so much for the warm replies! Lionheart, your post really made my day
This is probably a bit off topic, but it's related to the experiences I was describing above. During my meditation this morning, I met somebody which I perceived as a bird. There was a lot of fluctuation (he kept changing shapes, to various birds; he then landed on a tree, big surprise there, but the tree kept changing shapes, too). When I tried communicating, all I got was a bird cry. But long story short, after thinking about it all day during work (yeah, I'm a model employee lol), I reached the conclusion that everything most likely wasn't what I perceived it as, but rather my C1 mind's interpretation of how things really were. Like how some dreams make no sense because your mind has no point of reference. It's very possible my bird fellow looked very much different, and was probably occupying a structure familiar to him, but because my physical consciousness perceived him as such, it automatically anthropomorphized it with bird-like attributes (i.e. no talking, perched on a tree). And when he tried to talk to me, all I got was a bird cry. This is by no means ground-breaking stuff, and I was aware of this translation process theoretically. But it's a whole new ballgame when you experience it yourself!
So, unfortunately, the scenario gets pretty badly distorted. Lost in translation, as it were. The question is, how do I remove the interpreter?
Dan
This is probably a bit off topic, but it's related to the experiences I was describing above. During my meditation this morning, I met somebody which I perceived as a bird. There was a lot of fluctuation (he kept changing shapes, to various birds; he then landed on a tree, big surprise there, but the tree kept changing shapes, too). When I tried communicating, all I got was a bird cry. But long story short, after thinking about it all day during work (yeah, I'm a model employee lol), I reached the conclusion that everything most likely wasn't what I perceived it as, but rather my C1 mind's interpretation of how things really were. Like how some dreams make no sense because your mind has no point of reference. It's very possible my bird fellow looked very much different, and was probably occupying a structure familiar to him, but because my physical consciousness perceived him as such, it automatically anthropomorphized it with bird-like attributes (i.e. no talking, perched on a tree). And when he tried to talk to me, all I got was a bird cry. This is by no means ground-breaking stuff, and I was aware of this translation process theoretically. But it's a whole new ballgame when you experience it yourself!
So, unfortunately, the scenario gets pretty badly distorted. Lost in translation, as it were. The question is, how do I remove the interpreter?
Dan
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Welcome to Members Introductions! / Hello!
October 22, 2013, 03:05:56
Hello all,
I've been lurking on this forum for some 6 months now, I think it's time to show my face!
I'm 28, male, currently living in Alberta. My interest in AP and such began some 7 years ago when I accidentally had a partial obe (I had skipped a night of sleep, and was listening to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, visualising colours). I immediately started researching, practiced, expecting more of the good stuff, but nothing happened, and I gave up. Looking back, good thing I did give up, because I had so many unresolved fears, I can hardly believe it myself.
I picked it up again a few years later, with similar results. This is my third shot at it, and by far the most serious of all. I'm practicing daily, trying to make it into a way of life rather than something that needs doing. I've had two more spontaneous obes these past couple months, one during sleep (I'd say 60% awareness), another while trying to phase -- 100% awareness, but blind as a bat (lol). They both lasted mere seconds.
I've read JOB long ago, re-read it recently, also read FJ. But then I came across Frank's posts pdf (thank you Xanth!) and never looked back. I simply devoured the 1000+ pages, and I'll probably be back for seconds. It's almost like a Gospel, in that it teaches you that you don't really need anything (!), no method, no technique, it's all right there within you. Groovy stuff.
So, I decided to forget all methods and techniques, and to use his knowledge to my advantage. I was particularly intrigued by Frank's idea that imagination is right there at the border with the astral. So, I decided to start imagining things. Not an easy feat, I've always been very grounded, always taken great pride in my "ninja reflexes", but I decided to make a change and start imagining. I did it while lying down relaxed, at first, then figured I should expand it to a way of life, so I started daydreaming whenever I had a moment. Houses by the beach, red Corvettes parked in my driveway, adventures on mysterious islands, you name it, I had it. This all happened within the last week or so.
A few days into this practice, I started getting flashes of light behind my closed eyes. Now, I'm no stranger to chakras (I'll call them thus for lack of a more modern term) from my readings from long ago, and I immediately suspected what it might be. For as long as I can remember, only my heart chakra was pulsating gently -- and only during the time when I was interested in AP stuff. No interest, no vibrations. And they were (and still are) always mild, around 4-6Hz. Can't make them any faster (the moment I think about them getting faster, they stop!). So anyway, I was getting these pulses of light, strobe-like, I'm sure many members here know what I'm talking about. And also, I started getting this alien imagery in my mind. I stopped imagining about earth-stuff, and just waited to see what I'd "see". And I wasn't disappointed! Strange looking buildings, sceneries, unknown objects seen as clear as day (for a brief second), many complicated, non-terrestrial-looking structures, of unknown use and purpose. The longer I practice, the longer I seem to be able to hold these images, to turn them around and zoom in/out to see more of the surroundings. I even saw something very similar to what you guys call the 3d blackness, looked grainy, a lot like TV static, but it was a warm, dark colour, soothing I'd say. And I'm seeing all this stuff while perfectly physical, just mildly relaxed. I'm even talking to myself out loud, keeping a verbal commentary of what I'm seeing, complete with "Oh, that's new!" and "Rather interesting!".
Is this remote viewing?
I'm asking, because I always thought I was totally non-gifted to this sort of things, and that every inch of ground I'd cover would be a result of mighty practice. And it seems to happen best when I'm really _awake_, like right after having my morning coffee. Occasionally, I caught myself drifting to sleep, and there are no images then. A few times I got these really intense flashes of light, disturbingly strong. If it means the 3rd eye opening, then I'm more than happy to have them, just that it makes meditating pretty difficult. I can now feel my heart throat and brow chakras vibrating mildly throughout the day, as soon as I think about them! Never had any sensations on top of my head, though. The only time I got close was some years back, when, on the background of intense vibrations, I heard/felt this THUNDER trying to split my head open! And that marked the end of that period lol.
I never intended for these things to happen, all I wanted to do was to follow Frank's advice (roughly: if you believe you're there, you will be there!). So I intended to phase, and I got film noir imagery instead! Should I go on this route, imagining alien stuff and hoping the 3rd eye opens even more, or should I try something else? I'm not talking techniques here, just a direction of thought (where thought == creation).
So anyway, long post, but I had to open up, and what better place to do it than this wonderful forum! Many thanks to the moderators, I've been reading your insightful advice many times, and it's been really useful. Hoping to make some friends here, and looking forward to any replies.
Dan
I've been lurking on this forum for some 6 months now, I think it's time to show my face!
I'm 28, male, currently living in Alberta. My interest in AP and such began some 7 years ago when I accidentally had a partial obe (I had skipped a night of sleep, and was listening to Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon, visualising colours). I immediately started researching, practiced, expecting more of the good stuff, but nothing happened, and I gave up. Looking back, good thing I did give up, because I had so many unresolved fears, I can hardly believe it myself.
I picked it up again a few years later, with similar results. This is my third shot at it, and by far the most serious of all. I'm practicing daily, trying to make it into a way of life rather than something that needs doing. I've had two more spontaneous obes these past couple months, one during sleep (I'd say 60% awareness), another while trying to phase -- 100% awareness, but blind as a bat (lol). They both lasted mere seconds.
I've read JOB long ago, re-read it recently, also read FJ. But then I came across Frank's posts pdf (thank you Xanth!) and never looked back. I simply devoured the 1000+ pages, and I'll probably be back for seconds. It's almost like a Gospel, in that it teaches you that you don't really need anything (!), no method, no technique, it's all right there within you. Groovy stuff.
So, I decided to forget all methods and techniques, and to use his knowledge to my advantage. I was particularly intrigued by Frank's idea that imagination is right there at the border with the astral. So, I decided to start imagining things. Not an easy feat, I've always been very grounded, always taken great pride in my "ninja reflexes", but I decided to make a change and start imagining. I did it while lying down relaxed, at first, then figured I should expand it to a way of life, so I started daydreaming whenever I had a moment. Houses by the beach, red Corvettes parked in my driveway, adventures on mysterious islands, you name it, I had it. This all happened within the last week or so.
A few days into this practice, I started getting flashes of light behind my closed eyes. Now, I'm no stranger to chakras (I'll call them thus for lack of a more modern term) from my readings from long ago, and I immediately suspected what it might be. For as long as I can remember, only my heart chakra was pulsating gently -- and only during the time when I was interested in AP stuff. No interest, no vibrations. And they were (and still are) always mild, around 4-6Hz. Can't make them any faster (the moment I think about them getting faster, they stop!). So anyway, I was getting these pulses of light, strobe-like, I'm sure many members here know what I'm talking about. And also, I started getting this alien imagery in my mind. I stopped imagining about earth-stuff, and just waited to see what I'd "see". And I wasn't disappointed! Strange looking buildings, sceneries, unknown objects seen as clear as day (for a brief second), many complicated, non-terrestrial-looking structures, of unknown use and purpose. The longer I practice, the longer I seem to be able to hold these images, to turn them around and zoom in/out to see more of the surroundings. I even saw something very similar to what you guys call the 3d blackness, looked grainy, a lot like TV static, but it was a warm, dark colour, soothing I'd say. And I'm seeing all this stuff while perfectly physical, just mildly relaxed. I'm even talking to myself out loud, keeping a verbal commentary of what I'm seeing, complete with "Oh, that's new!" and "Rather interesting!".
Is this remote viewing?
I'm asking, because I always thought I was totally non-gifted to this sort of things, and that every inch of ground I'd cover would be a result of mighty practice. And it seems to happen best when I'm really _awake_, like right after having my morning coffee. Occasionally, I caught myself drifting to sleep, and there are no images then. A few times I got these really intense flashes of light, disturbingly strong. If it means the 3rd eye opening, then I'm more than happy to have them, just that it makes meditating pretty difficult. I can now feel my heart throat and brow chakras vibrating mildly throughout the day, as soon as I think about them! Never had any sensations on top of my head, though. The only time I got close was some years back, when, on the background of intense vibrations, I heard/felt this THUNDER trying to split my head open! And that marked the end of that period lol.
I never intended for these things to happen, all I wanted to do was to follow Frank's advice (roughly: if you believe you're there, you will be there!). So I intended to phase, and I got film noir imagery instead!
Should I go on this route, imagining alien stuff and hoping the 3rd eye opens even more, or should I try something else? I'm not talking techniques here, just a direction of thought (where thought == creation). So anyway, long post, but I had to open up, and what better place to do it than this wonderful forum! Many thanks to the moderators, I've been reading your insightful advice many times, and it's been really useful. Hoping to make some friends here, and looking forward to any replies.
Dan
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