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Soo interesting  I can't wait to get further. It was at least a huge milestone yesterday 

That was an awesome response! Thank you soo much! So you're pretty much saying that she probably wasn't real? lol. Afterward I kind of felt like maybe something was trying to tell me I wasn't ready to do it. I'll definitely check out techniques for exiting my body. Thank you!

Tell me your thoughts on this.... (if you have the time to read it). I'm a very complicated person, trying to figure things out with me aren't usually easy. lol.

So, I'm just gonna warn you before you read this that I'm kind of just going to pour issues out during this to explain some things that I feel are key to my questions and what got me started with astral in the first place. I'm sorry this is so long, I really just want some sort of opinion or thoughts about it from someone who knows what they're talking about ☺ I don't have anyone in my family or current friend circle whom I can talk to about this.

   I learned what astral projection was after my husband died and I was learning about communicating with him. We always had this crazy connection since day one, when we met, where we could pretty much read each other's minds. We would talk all the time without speaking and after he passed I realized I could still talk to him through that, and I had also seen him a few times within the first few months after his passing. Once I just caught a glimpse of him and felt his hand on me, another time I saw him in the mirror, once I heard him singing clear as day, and my sister actually saw and spoke to a guy right after he passed who looked identical, had the same name, and was wearing this yellow bracelet he always wore. She even got a picture of him as he walked away. Our entire family swears it was somehow him.  After realizing how accessible he still was I wanted to find ways to spend time with him and started looking into it.

I also learned about astral projection because I have some weird sleep disorders and I thought I was having night terrors some nights until it bothered me how real it all seemed so, I looked it up and realized I was actually astral and seeing things in different dimensions. I was born with idiopathic insomnia so I barely need any sleep and there's no rhyme, reason, or cure. When I do sleep, it's extremely light sleep and I've been a very very lucid dreamer for as long as I can remember, like as in preschool or before.

So, with my sleeping disorder I've realized that I've gone astral plenty of times in my sleep, but always passed it off as a dream. I have a lot of extreme dejavu to the point of narrating an entire day minutes before each thing occurs throughout the day. Last November about a year after my husband died I went astral and got to see him. I realized I have some actual friends in the astral world (that they weren't just a dream all these years), and I've more recently walked through a few dreams of people I know. Not exactly on purpose I think I was just wandering and wound up there (I tend to go in and out of consciousness, it's hard to explain). And, again not to pour things out on anyone, I'm not looking for pity, but I grew up in an abusive household and have been through hell so many times. I have a stress disorder and with it I have a problem with full relaxation where when I consciously relax fully I can't breathe because I'm just not used to it. So, when I try to meditate to consciously go astral I always get so close, but never get there because then I can't breath, but then today something pretty awesome happened.

I work 45+ hours a week, and go to college full time. My mom owns a restaurant and I run it. So, last night I was in school all day, and then didn't fall asleep until maybe 2 or 3 am, but some people were coming to close our pool so I had to get up at 6:30 to let them in. I was completely exhausted for once and fell back to sleep around 7:30, but I had to be up for work by 9 and I was trying to also stay awake to hear what was going on with the people closing my pool. But, I fell asleep and I was thinking about everything as I did, and people were talking outside, and I was thinking about work, so my body fell asleep and my mind did not! I'm laying there in bed somewhat conscious of what's going on and I feel kind of fuzzy, and I hear static, and almost feel like I'm floating and then I hear women's voices. I hear a conversation near by which is when my mind completely wakes up and I realize what's going on. I think to myself "Oh my gosh, I'm on the verge of astral projecting. I can actually do it right now!" So, I tried... I tried opening my astral eyes without opening my physical eyes and I felt these crazy vibrations and heard this awesome sound from the vibrations and I opened my eyes without opening my actual eyes and it was amazing, even though I was just looking at my room. I felt this overwhelming sense of joy and excitement. I still felt heavy and attached to my body, but I started trying to move while looking at the blanket in front of my face. I wiggled for just a few seconds before I had view of my open bedroom door and I saw someone with her back turned to me leaning on the doorframe talking.  It looked like she was talking to someone else who noticed me and glanced over. This caused the woman leaning on the door to notice me. She turned, saw me, gasped, and started to run toward me, then disappeared and was all of a sudden lying between the wall and me. She looked angry, she was very pretty, looked like she was 24, and she was also blonde. I told her to get away, to leave me alone, I asked who she was... she didn't answer, but she put her one hand on my collarbone and was just pressing on it while looking very serious, like she was on a mission. I was freaked out. I tried moving, but barely could, but I put my hand on her hand trying to get her to let go and leave me alone and I felt her fingers as I tried to pry them off of me. Then I looked up and was trying to think of my husband hoping that maybe he'd come or I'd instantly go to him, but nothing happened. So, then I started calling for God, I didn't know what else to do other than pray and ask him to help me out. (I'm Catholic). Next thing I knew I was fading out and then I was in a dream instead.

Then in the weird "dream world," I was having a nightmare, I guess because I was freaked out, but I was still lucid. I felt her presence, I saw her a few times through out the dreams and the entire time I was trying to get away from her and all these horrible scary things happened and I thought she was trying to scare me, or something. At least once during it I went out of the dream and was back in my room and saw her still there and felt her pressing on my neck again.

An alarm went off and I woke up completely freaked out with clear memory of the entire thing as if I just walked out of it. Thinking about it afterward and being a little more rational I think the dream being a nightmare was just me being freaked out, and I think she did not want me to be in the astral plane for some reason, but I have no idea who she is and I'm just trying to figure out what happened.

Every so often around 8-10 am I will hear a woman calling my name. I have actually woken up from it before thinking my mom or sister or someone was calling me. And there would be no one there. I have actually answered before honestly thinking someone was there, but whoever it is only says my name and says "Wake up." It would always come from outside my bedroom door and sometimes it would be right next to me as long as I was upstairs and not in my room. I will hear it awake or asleep as if there's someone physically there. Then when astral she was standing outside my door, but my door was open which it usually isn't when I'm sleeping and when she saw me she ran in. I think she might be the one who's been calling me, but I just don't have any idea who she is, whose side she's on, what she was doing, etc.  I just don't know how to react. I'm so happy because this morning was my first intentional and fully conscious astral projection, but I'm so confused and very freaked out. She's probably still when I'm not astral and I still don't know who she is. I want to astral again at some point, I just don't know what to do.

Is there any way to figure out who she is, what she wants, and why she did that, or what she was even doing? It is possible that she was trying to hit a pressure point to put my mind asleep and knock me out of the astral plane? Does that make sense in the astral world? I realize that I could have gotten away from her, I could have protected myself better, maybe my vibration levels weren't good, but I'm not experienced in completely conscious astral projection and it could take me a while to learn. Normally when I'm astral I feel as though I'm connected to my higher self or something and my soul guides me not my brain. Lol. If that made sense, but I also don't remember it as well when that happens and I'm almost on a ride rather than making decisions. But now, I just don't know what to do. I'm sorry this was so long. I just need some advice, or at least for someone to hear my story.  Thank you ☺ I hope I don't sound nuts. Lol. Feel free to be honest, but please be nice about it. lol. Thanks
   -Serena

Welcome to Astral Pulse. ^^

Listening to your post is like listening to myself,

-Note: If you are paranoid about projecting, sleep with a talsman under your pillow-

Any other questions, feel free to ask
Good Luck.

Wow! Thanks! I'm sorry I didn't respond sooner, I wasn't ignoring you or anything, but as weird as it sounds I never saw your post before SaneSir. Thanks for sharing that. I'm glad to know there's someone so like me on here I can talk to if I need it.

There actually was one night I can remember when I knew I was dreaming and I wanted to wander the dream world. Usually I'm having a fun lucid dream, enjoying the moment, and I don't worry about much else. This particular dream wasn't so endearing... I escaped passed a boundary, symbolized by fences, and found myself traveling through other places. I actually entered an old friend's dream and then carried on. When I entered his dream I knew that was where I was, somehow I always seem to know what's going on, and I knew he was oblivious to me and I shouldn't bother him, but as I passed I saw him turn, snap out of it, and notice me as I left. Within 36 hours of me waking he friended me on facebook. lol. I knew he had seen me, because he was thinking about me. So, I have entered ap through lucid dreaming, but I'm always just wandering, I've never truly taken control, more subconscious amusement than anything else, if that makes sense. No matter what it's fun, I guess I just have more direct goals I want to accomplish which are making me want to rush. There're passed people I desperately want to visit in ap, then there are just things I want to do, specific places to explore, people to meet, things to learn. I'm just eager I guess. I always want to learn, and always quickly, I'm always moving to the next step of anything fast in life, a quick learner, ready for the 3rd step before finishing the first so, I'm just not used to this slow stuff. Hope I don't sound arrogant, I'm not. lol

Well, I'm gonna try astral from dream world more often now. You know what I realized tonight? When I read or write or do anything requiring intense, sophisticated, creative brain power I have more lucid dreams and remember perfectly. Past few days I have a lucid dream I remember each night. Last night's lucid dream was soo real I actually thought it was real, for once I didn't recognize it as a dream. It wasn't ap tho... I'm almost positive.

If you want to try a simple method that works when I don't fall asleep, 
All you do is stay awake just enough to keep concious.
Drop all the book stuff, drop absolutely, any form of trying. Just ignore everything. You will find it works as long as it's just you inside your mind. There's no doing any rope tricks or phasing of any kind.
The mindset required is similar to that of a person being hypnotised. You are going into a deep sleep with only your concious self aware.
It's not easy as your mind will throw a paddy at being totally passive.
The feel is like repeating a mantra without any sound. The waiting for the thunder after the flash of lighting without the counting.
Get this mastered with no outside noises or interruptions and simply melt into a mindful concious oneness with yourself.
Then nature will take its course. By allowing no actions you'll get to a point of total isolation. No body, or physical senses at all will be observed. At this point think of appearing around 20 feet away from your sleeping meatsack. Know you can see whats there.
The rest is automatic. You'll see if successful.

Thanks!! That's an awesome idea, I'll try it!

Once you realize you are Dreaming (AKA in the NPR already), all you need to create  is an intended destination and be off. You don't need to return so you can "roll out", you are already out, just create a intent and you will be there.

As long as you are consciously aware, you will find that your thought does instantly create an action, in this case your intended destination. 

Thanks I'm just trying to learn to do it on command like I hear so many other do, but like Astralsuzy said I guess I do just need more practice. I'm relieved to hear that other people started off the same way.

You may not think so, but you are doing well.   Be patient and keep practicing and you will get there.   Try not to think of it as a failed attempt.   Think of it as a learning experience and you will keep getting better.   You know the saying practice makes perfect.

Paragraph one: you said that you rolled out of your body off the bed.   You succeeded.   You did ap.

Paragraph two: you said you were partly out of your body.   That used to happen to me.   I kept practicing until I got it right.   You are doing well, you just need more practice. 

Paragraph three:   People will disagree with me but in my opinion you have a big advantage of being an insomniac.   You will not have the problem of falling asleep.   Provided you keep your mind calm and relaxed, not tossing and turning, you should be able to ap.   I practice meditating but I have to put my mind to wanting to make the effort otherwise it will not work.   If you do not meditate, I would advise to practice meditating.   It is a great skill to have.

Wow, thank you so much. That was very encouraging, def. made me feel better. I guess maybe I'm just trying to rush. :/ Need to slow it down. lol

OK, good. It's hard to tell how you're coming off to other people in writing. Once I get past 5 hours of sleep I have a day that's just OK, past 6 I start to feel sluggish, lazy, tired, just an overall lack of energy. After that point I get all the same things as after 6 hours plus I don't think as clearly, get headaches, body aches, and lose motivation to do much of anything. lol. Kinda sucks. But with less than 5 hours, but more than 2, I am alert, awake, think more clearly than ever, don't seem to need to eat as much (which is the weirdest find), and just have tons of energy for the entire day and am typically in a good mood. Plus, I get more done than the average person, it's just about embracing it. lol.  Less than 2 hours and I am hyperactive and scatter brained for a few hours and then will crash later for another few hours.

I've tried meditation to go astral, to relax (which doesn't usually help me much), and earlier today I used it to rest since I couldn't get back to sleep after I was woken up. Last night it helped me fall asleep, which was great.

That's so impressive. Yeah, my next goal is to find out the best time of day for me. So, I'm going to make sure I have a good amount of sleep, but not too much that I can't easily relax and then try different times of the day. One day I projected at about 3 in the afternoon. I was trying to and got close, but couldn't do it, I fell asleep without trying and went astral during sleep and was able to recall almost all of it. I started out thinking I was dreaming. I'm a very lucid dreamer, insomniacs tend to have overly active minds. I was astral for a while, almost an hour before I woke up.

It's interesting that you do more astral on Mondays. You know that monday feeling everyone hates? If that's how your mondays are then your mood and way of thinking those days may subconsciously affect your ability or motivation to project. I feel like I'm being overly thorough, I'm a very scientific person. lol.

Thanks.

This is why we do tracking and figuring out what works and what doesn't.

I can tell you for certain that adequate amount of sleep will give you better results than 3.5 hrs.  Now, I am not saying that you can't
project on 3.5 hrs of sleep, but you will be swimming upstream.

Personally, for me when I posted this a few years back, was to help people learn about their sleep patterns, document the days they project, the times so it can
give one a better picture for projecting. If this info. is not documented how will you know where to target for projecting?

I would consider myself a average sleeper needing 7-8 hrs of sleep. You might want to consult a doctor for your insomnia to help you. Not just for astral projection, but
health reasons as well.

Feel free to ask me anymore questions, glad to help!

Dave

Thanks. LOL. I don't mean to be rude at all with what I'm about to say and I really do appreciate the concern, thank you. I just don't think you get what I mean. First off, there is no cure or treatment for idiopathic insomnia, and sleeping more is actually found to cause negative effects on our health, but thank you for the concern. I have consulted many doctors many times.
I just felt the need to inform you just so that you know how that works, and so you can better understand what I was getting at. lol. Sorry, if I made it confusing.

Now just to clarify what I was saying earlier, since you're now saying that 7-8 hours of sleep is ideal for you, like the average person, that seems to show in your data that once you have that ideal amount of sleep your mind is better able to project. So, if 3.5 actually is my ideal amount, then, comparing to your data, I may have an easier time going astral with that amount of sleep. So, you answered my question. Thank you! Now I can plan starting my own personal research better.

Btw, I'm impressed that your researched your patterns and collected data so in depth. You're right, if not documented we are just making shots in the dark. Thanks for making me realize that and thank you for sharing your finds.

-Serena

This area of tracking is vital and has proven variable to success. Each sleep cycle I would track, researching if the amount of sleep mattered in achieving successful OBE. Yes, it does and here is the breakdown based on the hours of sleep needed the day before the OBE. As you see below, between 7hrs - 8hrs of sleep was recorded showing success rate at projecting. So now, I am able to see a better picture of the hours of sleep needed personally for me in yielding the OBE.

1 hour   0
2 hours   0
3 hours   1
4 hours   6
5 hours   7
6 hours   23
7 hours   50
8 hours   65
9 hours   27
10 hours   16
11 hours   3
12 hours   2

Do you consider yourself to be an average sleeper? Do you know what you're ideal amount of sleep is to wake up feeling refreshed and ready to go? I thinking that if you know that you can look at your data and figure out how it coincides. Then others may be able to figure theirs out easily. Personally, as an idiopathic insomniac, my ideal amount of sleep is 3.5 hours. Looking at you data, if your ideal sleep is between 7-8.5 hours and then you can project most effectively then I could make the hypothesis that after 3-4 hours of sleep I might have better chances as well. If your ideal amount of sleep is only five hours then I could say well then maybe I should add 2-3 hours to sleeping before trying to astral project. I thought I'd share because it would help you find more of a conclusion from your research and might better help other people to get closer to finding their ideals without as much trial and error. Hope I didn't overstep any boundaries by inputting my thoughts about it.

Hi guys, I'm new to the site. I've been trying to astral project completely consciously, but fail every time. I get soo close each time and then nothing. I've astral projected numerous times before by accident, not fully conscious. Later in the journey is when I usually become conscious of the fact that I'm astral not dreaming. I've been a fully lucid dreamer for as long as I can remember, it used to freak me out when I was in pre-school, now I'm 19. I am also very intuitive, I can always tell when another being is around me. I can feel when souls I recognize are around me, and when bad entities are there, while awake or asleep. The other day I was taking a nap and my mind woke up because I felt something I didn't like next to my bed. I didn't realize only my mind was awake until I realized that my body was paralyzed, which is what happens on the rare occasion I have a night terror. I was trying to wake my self up and roll over to face it and, I guess to will it away, but I wound up rolling right out of my body and off the bed, lying through my night stand and looking up at my bed next to me. Once that happened whatever was there had gone and I thought back bed and went to sleep, not thinking straight.

During my astral projections while sleeping I have visited a dead family member, walked through an old friend's dream, met other souls, and have briefly seen my room. All somewhat by chance.

What I can't seem to understand is why I can't ever get out of my body when consciously trying to project. I wish had a friend who could so they could just pull me out of my body. lol.

Every time I try to project I get to the point where I barely feel my body, everything starts tingling/vibrating, and I hear a weird hum. I sometimes hear noises around me that I usually wouldn't, and then, with my eyes closed, instead of seeing the light through my eyelids I start to see dark and an ongoing pattern of swirling color. Does anyone else see that? I feel like I'm just about there, but then once I start trying to get out of my body I just can't. I've tried multiple techniques and each time I feel myself get partly out and then I go back in, I see light through my eyelids again, the hum & vibration leaves, I feel my body more, and I have to start over with what will be yet another failed attempt.

Does anyone else deal with this? After having that astral moment I spoke of earlier I've even tried rolling out, that is the only experience where I remember how I left my body. It still doesn't work.

Things I think may affect it;
I have been an insomniac since birth (idiopathic insomnia), I have acute stress disorder, I'm ADD, melatonin has ADVERSE affects on me, caffeine either has no effect or puts me to sleep, things to put one to sleep either have no effect or wake me up more, and I have an easier time sleeping during the early morning and taking naps in the evening.

Can anyone relate? How have you done it? Does anyone live in the barnegat NJ area? - Just curious bout that last one.