Quote from: Volgerle on February 02, 2014, 06:10:25
Why do you state that your friend "proved" sth to you? Fact is: He didn't. He is just giving his false and shallow materialist "reasoning" or opinion. And you fell for it.
You fell into the pseudo-skeptics trap, don't be ashamed because many do unfortunately. The Randi prize is a scam all-out. It is not intended to prove paranormal phenomena. It is there to uphold the materialist world-view which is nothing but another religious BELIEF.
Just a few links that might interest you:
I recommend great book which any Randi disciple wouldn't even touch with gloves, as it could shatter their BELIEF system:
http://www.amazon.com/RANDIS-PRIZE-sceptics-paranormal-matters/dp/1848764944/
Here's about Randi in a fictitious cross-eximanation by a lawyer, it is as you might note a light-hearted and humourous approach. but the background about the skeptic delusion and the examples of evidence for the paranormal presented is more than true:
http://www.victorzammit.com/articles/crossexaminationnumberPARTONE.htm
Here's some blog entries by M. Prescott which are good ...
http://michaelprescott.typepad.com/michael_prescotts_blog/2006/12/the_challenge.html
http://www.skepticalinvestigations.org/Examskeptics/Prescott_Randi.html
Another good page I had bookmarked long ago when it comes to de-construct the arguments of the pseudo-skeptics more generally:
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Introduction.htm#How
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/index.php#Vinstonas
As regards evidence via AP, what we do here, I suggest you click on the link in my signature (the description says it all). But anyway, here it is again:
http://da-lai.lima-city.de/OBE/index.html
It's always best to prove it to yourself by learning the art, so to speak. Validations will come than, intended or not, in various ways.
Important note: no one claims that remote viewing or validations via AP is easy. There are reality fluctuations due to 'dimensions/planes of realtity overlapping' in these states. It is also explained on that site (dalai-lama) linked above. Therefore it's a phony argument by skeptics claiming it "should" be easy to prove. Example: the world record for the 100-metre dash is 9.58 seconds. A skeptics asks a runner to run it in 6 or 7 seconds or otherwise he won't believe that he's a good athlete. This is by way of extreme comparison what skeptics do if they come here and say 'prove it to me, now, instantly, or I won't believe you'. They should know that it is not THAT easy but they pretend it should be, no one here makes that claim. It's the skeptic self-delusion.
NDEs and Remote viewing yields even stronger verifications, even on a scientific basis. There are many good studies and books out there by serious scientists (not skeptic cynics in "skeptical literature") and doctors, such as P. v. Lommel, R. Moody, K. Ring, Jeffrey Long, S. Parnia, and many more.
There's lots of scientific research that proves the paranormal in general. Check e.g. the work of Dean Radin and other. I also recommend you read up on Remote Viewing research by the Pear Institute.
If you don't like reading books on NDE, you can browse through these famous NDE-websites a little:
http://www.nderf.org/
http://selfconsciousmind.com/
http://www.near-death.com/
http://iands.org/home.html
(veridical NDEs, examples: http://iands.org/about-ndes/key-nde-facts.html?start=2 )
Last not least, here's a scientific paper more or less debunking of the standard pseudo-skeptical and pseudo-scientific medical arguments on NDEs:
http://www.deanradin.com/evidence/Facco2012NDE.pdf
Here's a lot of types of evidence summary by Vic Zammit:
http://www.victorzammit.com/evidence/
A last advice: Do or don't show these links or any evidence to your atheist friend, I guess it won't matter and change anything. I suppose it will not help in convincing him. He might even (as most skeptics do) not look at the evidence due to his severe state of cognitive dissonance.
I found out in the course of the years that it is futile to discuss with the close-minded pseudo-rational skeptics. They don't want to wake up and be convinced. It is their ego and their fear that keeps them from opening their minds. Instead they want to drag other people into their dark and superstitious (!) world-view, it even gives them some kind of sinister satisfaction. Don't ask me why but that's the way it is, at least from my experience with these people.
But let's not forget or overlook: they are a minority on this planet, it seems to be much more than they are because the write a lot on the internet, they have even subverted Wikipedia now (http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/showthread.php?16878-On-Bias-in-Wikipedia-Audio-file), so they look mighty, but they are not! They are only a confused and extremist minority. And they are losing the fight in the long run, they will have died out in a few decades from now. The times are changing.
Do you think that. science will ever be able to prove this? Or is there some natural law to the universe that says that this can never be made believable by atheist standards of massive mainstream of acceptance?