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Well I had some interesting event's last night. I went through my usual relaxation. I started losing track of my body. I felt the normal shift in my state where the mind becomes in focus and centered. I never get over that feeling even though I stay calm. Everything went pitch black and it all began to get heavy. So I started pulling my thought's? out. I was not thinking about a body. It was like pulling a brick wall but finally I felt like I got out. It was still black. I decided to make my way through my door into the hall. When I did the light in the hall became visible.

I thought "wow I am out" and continued into the living room. My girlfriend was watching TV (in the experience and in real life) and I thought "she can't see me". So I crouched down and watched her. She turned and looked right at me. She then smiled and I thought "what the?" and did not move. It dawned on me that this was not a projection but some kind of dream. Instead of thinking clearly about using it to continue lucid or trying to force some projection.. I decided to wake up and try again. I woke up.

The blackness came back again real quick. It feel's like I would assume water going down a drain. Rapid and you are getting sucked into it. Very quick. At the least second I pulled back hard mentally (fear?) and it woke me up.

Now I have a question for everyone

1. what would happen if I allow myself to just sink into the blackness? would I fall asleep or black out and exit?

2. How can I exit from a lucid dream?

I would ask anyone who has any insight or shares any experience relating to my post to share if they do not mind.

Take Care

About 3 year's ago I had a friend who was deep into studying Islam. I found the same human sounding "God" as in the bible for the most part.

I am sure you find it 100% perfect no different then anyone else who thinks they have "the truth"

Bottom line is the rabbit hole is VERY deep and neither Christianity or Islam come close to touching the surface. NDE cases and quantum physics are both kinda blowing apart the old time "religions"

quote:Originally posted by TheSeeker

I've never had a concious projection, but I can get to the trance state with out too much trouble.  Usually before I sleep I do a few Yoga poses to relax.  When I get in bed I do the physical relaxtion exercise from Astral Dynamics.  Then, I do energy work (MBA) on my entire body, from feet, up to the crown of my head.  When I have the energy flowing, I feel like my body is floaty and like its vibrating.  Once there I focus on my breath and try to feel as if I'm sinking on the exhale.  This whole process will take me about 15 minutes (unless I move the physical body which ruins it for me), and I'll drift into trance, mind awake body asleep.

Only, once I get there I start to panic most times.  The vibrations feel heavier and I feel heavier, which is an odd feeling.  A few times when I did not have a clear enough mind (overtiredness), I feel like I'm going crazy when I get to trance, i.e., wierd noises in my head, voices (maybe I'm just crazy, hehe).

You are not crazy. It happens to everyone. The voices and sounds do not really freak me out anymore.

Well with Sadam removed there won't be a need for sanction's now will there? Now do you really think without sanctions the people would have prospered? Do you? Do you think a man who put people through paper shredders, gassed children, mutilated bodies, and so much more would let his people prosper?

With wealth comes education and freedom. Don't fool yourself. Blame it on sanctions if you want but I think that is disregarding reality. Regardless the same people who cried about sanctions are crying about removing Sadam. There is NO way to remove the man without devasting his regime. Removing WoMD would not have helped his people. Freedom has never come without a price in the history of the world.  

All that aside this is the last place I would like to get into a political discussion. The bottom line is a radical movement of Islam has spread. It is devastating to women, brainwashing to children, and absolute brutal to all who disagree. It is a stone age mentality where man is supreme over women and tolerance is unacceptable.

I have never seen a religious text without flaws. Christians claim the bible is perfect. Muslims claim the quran is. Neither are and if people want to believe they are then hey, have at it. They both can be used to subject humanity into slavery and be used for sick actions. Both have aspects that reek of man made rules and human thinking not a God that loves his children.

When people stop trying to look outside for God and look inside the world will be a much better place.

Yeah I will try it.

I am going to start doing Robert Bruce's NEW energy program. I think it will help.

The breathing is a issue. I can focus everything down to breathing but not keep it under control enough to project. It is not that I am scared to stop breathing but more that it becomes so hard to breathe it becomes center focus.

Hi there

I have had the floating feeling and been able to see through my eyelid's. I have never been able to see a astral limb though.

Trying to force myself out has not worked for me yet either. I tend to lose track of my body as a whole. I have not yet been able to lose track of breathing except for a minute or two.

Breathing seem's to be my hurdle as well. Mine slows so much that I usually become aware and then panic and inhale quickly.

Great experience indeed and too bad you can not remember the lush forest's. I wish you the best

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Yeah evidently the time of the morning and my quick reading confused me. I am still confused. Granted I am no scientific mind. I have a degree in computer animation and that is a far cry from what we are speaking about here.

I have however read countless book's on NDE's and had a fair share of debate. I was born dead *not breathing* for over 12 minutes. I was very lucky in the fact I suffered no brain damage. I know for a fact the brain can be "dead" and survive fully working. I had a normal life. I have however felt very different in some aspect's. I have a very strong sense of empathy. Just watching someone crying can cause my eyes to water. Watching someone in distress can affect me. I have always felt a very strong energy in my hand's. I was raised in a usual Christian home and never heard about any new age theory until I got up into my late teen's. It was then I started reading and talking.

What I have found myself from the "religion" of science is a deep seated fear or disrespect for anything out of the norm. I have read more then my fair share of articles where scientist X comes upon a conclusion that is not "approved of". The result is scientist x getting pushed out almost. Reminding me much of a way a cult acts. Let me make it clear that science in general has great value. I am speaking of the die hard aithiest segment who will do just about anything to disprove ANY kind of soul/spirit/seperate consciousness including fraud.  

All that said I think in the end we can never really understand it as a observer. NDE cases are interesting read's and it is a clear difference from inducing a OBE. I was reading about a group of people who would meet and induce projections in mass. They would all attempt to project and meet up. Not everyone or everytime was a success but they did have some. Here they are walking around some plane and experiencing it together. I myself had my dream effected by someone projecting in the same house. It was a friend from college who turned me on to the whole subject. What does all this tell us? That we all belong to some collective consciousness? That a whole world or plane is out there untouched and for the most part ignored? What are we missing exactly?

Anyway sorry about that.. it was 6am and I was half awake. My apoligies

No offense Stephen but that is typical Science "smokescreen" and I will explain why.

Most here know that the first stages of a NDE and a OBE are very similiar. You exit the body and can witness you're enviorment in real time. That is where the sharing experiences end. From Joe the aithiest to Jack the christian experience something alike. That is usually a life review as well as meeting some form of light they refer to as "God, or ultimate consciousness" who inform's them they are not ready for death yet. Now tell me how is that Joe or Jack having never studied NDE cases all have similiar experiences?

The illusion is also again bunk. If that was the case then how exactly would someone witness real event's? How can anyone who has had more then one OBE learn to verify? So a firing neuron let's a blind  woman see? Cell's still existing allow a person to transport NEW memories that can be verified into the brain to be able to relate?

I could go on and on but you get my drift. Typical science ... let's try to prove one thing maybe wrong in hopes it makes people not look ar the rest. Some cell's still kicking around has nothing to do with the issue. The brain is dead and after all the brain is how we function, remember, and experience everything. Not by some cell.

Have a good one and excuse typo's.... 6am

True Tom but everyone is different

There are times I inhale while in trance and forget to breath out for a bit. I always catch it and get concerned.

Everyone has their trouble spot

I think Lysear has some truth to that.

While I am not sure I would advise holding you're breath for 30 seconds to induce trance however. I think we all know the danger's with not providing the brain oxygen and then danger of killing off brain cell's. I think most of us would agree there are 1000 way's to safely induce a trance. To me that is the easiest part. The hard part for me is moving my awareness outside of my body.

The hardest part to me is letting go of breathing. I can keep my whole body asleep. I can forget all about my heartbeat and let it not affect me. Yet breathing is my problem. I think becaise I use it so much as calming myself down and inducing a trance that I find it hard just to forget about it. I have been very close but the breathing aspect get's me. Frankly it get's hard to breathe. So I think if you hold you're breath right at the end when you are ready to project it might just work. At least for me where breathing is the last aspect.

Going to try it