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It was more your other comment (the dumbass thing) that had me wondering. 

I meant my reply not the none I quoted, lol...

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What does "??" mean?

I was joking about the horses, in case you didn't catch that. Can we do that on this forum?

You seem like a very experienced AP professional. Could you please tell me how do you have sex on AP? I wanted to try masturbation but I looked down and there was nothing there...

On S.T. , they get in to discussions that make little scence to me, thats all .  On a.p. , Xanth might said some thing like you can lead a horse to a bucket of water , but its up to the horse  to drink the water , or he could give you a list of books and web sites with info on a.p. but its up to you if you want to read the sites and books and put the info in to practice .   

It's because ST is for smart people but AP is for horses.

This dumbass reply in itself proves my point... 

I checked the links you posted, all of them, if that's where you getting at lol. I'm collecting resources in my bookmarks tab and reading some stuff, and trying some stuff out slowly but steady. It's kinda overwhelming how many things there are really about AP, as I have recently discovered.

Today when AP I tried to taste a handle of my teapot. I managed to bite it off but it tasted like nothing. I didn't felt any substance either, it just vanished in my mouth. 

Shugi , do I know you from S.T. ? 
http://spiritualteachers.proboards.com/   

Nope. Never been on that forum before.

Metaphorical cliff. 

What?! Metaphorical?! Omg! Why didn't you tell me that earlier?! I just spend last two hours running outside looking for a cliff!

Come on man... I'm not THAT dumb lol.

Yet to find a cliff tho.

Let me say that I'm providing you this information and it's based upon MY experience with reality & consciousness.  It's part of MY perspective.
I enjoy sharing this knowledge with anyone willing to listen.  

I don't say this to anger or be mean, but some people are just simply not ready to open themselves up beyond that which they already know.  I can only nudge you along so far until you either allow yourself to fall off the cliff, or you retreat back to safer grounds.  That's how I perceive my job as a guide here.

It took me over 10 years to have my own experiences... and it took me a bit longer after that to realize that my experiences didn't "fit" into the neat boxes (the labels) that others were using.  I kept having experiences and I kept trying to put them into the boxes of "lucid dream" & "astral projection", but it was like putting a square peg into a round hole... it just wasn't happening.  
What I had to do was to empty my mind of everything I had "learned" before (we're talking about a lot of stuff, over 10 years worth) I was really able to analyze my experiences with no bias.  THAT is when I began seeing patterns emerge.  THAT is when I started putting the puzzle pieces together and realized that the labels that people use didn't even remotely fit my experiences... but it was more than that, the labels themselves were horribly wrong and inaccurate.  For decades people have been looking for experiences that simply don't exist.

My perspective has literally snowballed and changed so greatly from when I had my first experience, I don't even view this physical reality in the same way.  It's a much larger perspective that brings it all together for me.  It's like waking up from a dream, only while still awake.  

So why do I continue to share my perspective even though most people have to do their own waking?  Because someone out there is standing on the precipice... ready to fall forward and they might just need a single nudge.  That's why I'm here.  To provide that nudge.

I think I went off on a strange tangent there... sorry.  LOL

To bring this back around... saying you had a "dream", is like saying that rainbow you're looking at really exists.  It's obvious, only until you start to look into what each of those things really are.  

You talk about cliffs but all I see are flat ground everywhere. I would not mind jumping off one, if I could find it. Now you got me all curious about cliffs and even offering to push me off of one, so generous, but you say you can't show me where it is... What a tease, lol!

Would you say you are, as Buddhists would call it, enlightened? Cos you kinda sound like one of those gurus who claim they are, hehe.

I believe Xanth is a woman

Nope. In his profile it says male. Don't be mislead by the kitten! 

All Xanth is stating is that our experence is with in our belief system .   One person has a N.D.E and visits heaven , the next guy sees hell .  I will assume that English is not your first lang.   The message might be lost in the translation .   

Ok but that IS perspective and that IS experience then, isn't it? He says there are no experience and perspective at all... :/

They're not different perspectives.  They're arbitrary labels given to experiences people believe are completely separate and distinct.  
They're experiences that don't exist.

For example, you don't have dreams.  You've never in your entire existence of experiencing had what we humans call a "dream".  Why?  Because it simply doesn't exist.  

I don't get it...

How come AP or lucid dreams don't exist? Not even perspective or experience of them? I had one last nigh. I experienced it. And now you are saying that experience did not exist. How came I had it then?

I thought if anything would exist in this world at all it should be an experience. But now you say it's not either. Do you think anything exists at all then?

I know I'm here. I'm experiencing myself. Or are you gonna say that I am not actually here conscious at this moment and I don't exist either? If so, then what the hell man? Lol.

I understand what you are saying. But all those labels are just a names for different perspectives then? Aren't they? So even if everything is projection not everything is same perspective or that projection. We still have to name them somehow so we would know about which perspective we are talking about. Would't that make them not useless? Cos we have to navigate somehow in our minds and communicate with each other our thoughts. Isn't that a useful tool - words? Doesn't seem useless to me.

I guess if we go where you are going even further then you might say calling a table "a table" is useless and meaningless term, because table doesn't really exist. But we still experience it, even if just subjectively, so we have to name it somehow. Because if it's in our experience it exists for us, doesn't it?

I suppose (over?)simplifying things has it's benefits. But all the complicated stuff is still a fun part of learning process. I personally like to brake things down in pieces, makes it all more manageable and understandable. I mean, if you call everything a projection then lots of confusion might occur. It might get confusing which projection and type of experience you mean. I think that's why we need those different terms.

As I understand it OBE is different in a way that you may not be projecting consciously, like maybe you died or something. While in AP you are projecting consciously in astral. While in OBE you might end up somewhere else, not only astral plane. So AP is always OBE but OBE may not always be AP.

I don't know. At least that's how I understand the difference, correct me if I'm wrong... ^^

Hi

Ep  Ethreal Projection

Hi yourself!

What is Etheral projection? How it is different from Astral projection?

What EP stands for?

Actually, we've given you practical answers... you were, obviously, just looking for an answer that satiates your ego and one which you wanted to agree with.

Maybe. Or maybe I'm just too dumb to understand what you ere saying and how to actually apply that. It's easy to just tell "just stop worrying" or "fake it till you make it". Easier said than done. The little Hans meditation thing is actually something simple I could DO instead of trying to figure out how to do it.

Or maybe it's just an ego thing. I don't know...

I'm gonna be extremely blunt here.

Would appreciate it more often. All those metaphors like the one about jogger and stopping or "you are the worst enemy of yourself" sounds intellectual and poetic. And some of them I even get. But mostly it just makes my brain hurt. Trying to figure out how to actually apply it. Like I said, sounds nice but easier said than done, at least for me.

Anyways, thank you all for tips and opinions. Maybe I'm just not that evolved. Hope I didn't offend anybody, wasn't meant to...

I feel the food tastes kinda more soft, if that makes sense. And everything tastes very similar and at the same time different. Not too pleasant to be honest, comparing to real world at least.

Wonder could I taste walls, dirt, floor, furniture or other inedible items in astral? How would that taste? Could I ate all my astral house or even city? I will try this. Maybe next time I meet some kind of entity I will bite it's arm off.

Try a light meditation while lying on your bed. Visualize the entity and intend to send it all the love and positive energy you
can muster. Just keep sending it your love and ask the Universe to gently release it from you and bring it back to where it's
originally come from. This should work whether it is a real entity or a figment of your psyche. If it does not work right away
then you might have to repeat this everyday for a while, until it is lodged away from your spirit or from your psyche.

You could try doing this every time it infiltrates your mind in a way that annoys you or stops you from being comfortable. If
you want you can just do this while doing other activities, while walking or working.

Thank you! An actual useful, practical answer!

The snail never showed up again tho after that time, yet anyways. I managed to get past that creepiness and project again. All tho I tried to think positive, loving thoughts and feelings and I definitely see how this could work. I don't feel creeped out when I think about it now, for a while after "mediatation" anyways. 

I've read that when you are not in positive mental state when you project you may project in darker realms than when you are in positive and loving state? I assume this has something to do with it?

Give this article I wrote a read:  http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/07/22/how-to-stabilize-and-strengthen-your-projection-experiences/

Thanks, I will try this out, see how it goes and if it works. All though it seems that you are talking more about waking up, don't you? At least that's the impression I got by reading that. I don't really have a problem with waking up, just staying lucid.

So what are some more of those many techniques you are aware of and use?

So I've been projecting for a while now, or lucid dreaming, not sure which, maybe I'm switching between two. It feels like I'm getting out of body at first but then it feels more like a lucid dream.

But anyways. I lose my awareness rather quickly. I would start focusing, got all those vibrations, sounds and what not, get out of body (or start hallucinating/lucid dreaming , whichever it is) and it would last for a while but then I slowly lose my consciousness and can not control what I do in my dream/projection anymore. I forget that this is not physical reality. I stop being lucid.

I try to remind myself "this is dream , this is not real" again and again and it seems to extend amount of time I can stay conscious. But I was thinking, maybe some of you who have been ding this for longer have any tips on how to maintain being lucid for longer?

Stop worrying about it. 

How?

Parasites...

Look at this from a different perspective, from a larger perspective.
Again, this comes back to consciousness as a whole, which you are an unit of awareness of.

Nothing is really separate from you... what does that tell you about "parasites"?

I AM A PARASITE! OMG! It all makes sense now! 

No, but seriously, it's still creepy. Just because I am being creeped out by myself and not others does not make it less uncomfortable and creepy. 

What do I have to do? Do I like have to experience a collective consciousness or really understand it deep inside my gut? And how do I do that? Cos right now just intellectually thinking about it, even if I believe it, does not make it any better. 

It's like slapping myself with a giant snail - it still hurts even if it's me who doing it and not a snail. I suppose I could stop making those things up but I don't know how to do that either, I'm not in that kind of control of my mind yet. Only thing what's left for me is to ignore the snail and stuff but it does not solve the problem - it's still creepy! 

Like, I don't actually mind the snail itself. I just mind the creepyness. Of course unless it is actually real and doing harm to me, like many parasites in physical world would. In which case I would mind it.

I saw another creepy thing tonight. I was doing the projection thing and then I saw my room, again, with eyes closed. The picture were kinda blinking, like an old movie with damaged frames. Everything was dark, like last time when I saw the "snail", only the room was upside down. And there were a black, human shaped figure standing in a middle of it, it appeared to be in some kind of dress and with long hair. The figure were the only thing that was not upside down.

I was about to freak out, panic and wake up but then I changed my mind and just stood up. It was suddenly day and I could not see shadow it in a astral plane, or a lucid dream, or wherever I were, so I just forgot about it and went climbed out of the window on a roof... weeee.