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thanks everybody for the great advice .. i am trying that exercise , i think i need more practice

it's a bit hard to differentiate what is coming from my mind and what is coming from spirits mind , without any experience it is easy to mistake one for  the other

why is it that with some people , spirits are more generous and they assist , show themselves up , guide , heal without those people ever asking them about it

and with others who genuinely seek them out , cry for guidance, they are hard to find

i wish to communicate with my spirit guide .. i have tried asking them to give me direction in my dreams , is there any other way to contact them without astral projecting ? i badly want to talk with them , i tried closing my eyes and silencing my thoughts so that i can listen or see any image what they are trying to say .. but nothing so far

i sincerely and honestly cried to them but nothing..

is there a rule that they can't interact with us ? or am i doing something wrong ?

thanks

Update -

i am trying 2-3 attempts per day and have had more than 20 attempts till now.. tried in evening , tried it in the middle of night , tried it in early morning after waking up

even saw the lucidology 101 series

but i tend to reach a plateau ..don't know how to get ahead .. i get itches and urge to move and as they say resist it .. and then i just ignore them, it gets painful for 30 seconds then i can feel a heavy blanket sensation in certain parts of my body,  but still no paralysis or even vibrations even after laying 1.5 hours in that position ..

tried raising energy , even tried visualizing my energy hand in the air in the hope somebody will pull me out ( robert monroe technique )


tried xanths method as well.. plugged in my in ear earphones , and focused really had to listen to the ringing sound but nothing

is there anything left that i can do to get past that plateau ?


what am i doing wrong ?


i am getting discouraged now and all my fear seems to have disappeared .. frankly now i badly want to listen to those scary hallucinated sounds

yeah thanks a lot sazxx ,

ok till now i have tried around 12 attempts .. most of them were through guided astral projection hypnotic sessions , this has been my progress so far

last 5 attempts were through trying different techniques .. some were before sleep , some were after i woke up in the middle of night


1) body starts getting numb , then
2) i feel  tingling like sensations accompanied by heavyness ,
3) intense electric sensations as if lots of ants are biting my hands and legs ( but not painful ) along with slightly heavy head

in all 12 attempts i can't get past the 3rd stage, i  tried rope technique,roll out, stared into blackness, affirmations .. but i am not able to achieve sleep paralysis , or get out of body ..
is there an easy way to reach sleep paralysis ?

any tips ?  or should i just keep on going like this until i achieve it..

also i think i do have some slight fear of unknown/negative entities in the back of my head ( since  i internalised wrong info thanks to RB and other media )  ... consciously i don't think i have any fear left after reading your excellent advice and  searching more about it... is it ok to enter astral realm with some amount of natural subconscious background fear/hesitation ?

thanks everybody

thank you xanth and bluefire

i'll try his techniques today .. just 1 question

i have read that those people who have tried to open their 3rd eye by forcing through exercises as opposed to natural spiritual development , often invite many dangers .. the astral reality starts mingling with their physical reality , some become paranoid ..

for eg

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread679265/pg1

and have read about same bad cases of kundalini raising ..

in most yoga,buddhist,hermetic traditions astral projection isn't practised until other skills are in place and mind is properly ready which takes atleast a couple of years..

but the difference is they use direct methods .. they can AP any time and at any instant they want

i was just wondering is it the same with these Astral projection indirect techniques ? can they interfere and badly affect/interfere with physical life, ?,  have you guys encountered any negative posts about it from other people ?

also this michael guy looks like he has taught and researched a lot about OBEs i am curious why does he believe that this is same as lucid dreaming illusions .. ?
he must have run a lot of verification experiments ... did they all fail , even his personal experiments ? i always thought its only those who have not experienced it dismiss it as illusions ( skeptical scientific community ) , but this is the first time i am reading an experienced projector/teacher who thinks it is all illusion/lucid dreaming

thanks

thank you everybody for replying

based on everyone's reply i think it is better to avoid him ..

i have no clue  where to start ..can you guys suggest something else that focuses more on exercises and that actually works  ?  

i usually listen to

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A2jNnMApXg

and every time i can feel my energy hands and legs, but i can't get out .. i think the closest i got was i felt my legs up in the air while the rest of my body lay there.. but i am not sure whether that actually happened or i imagined it ..

As for you wanting to verify if it is real or not with cards or a number written on a shelf.. well I think that is something everyone wants and has tried to do. I can personally say that I have licked the security camera lens when in the ep. Rushed back to bed ended ep right away. Was so sure that I finally captured my self out of body on camera, only to be disappointed. My verification was when I left the body turned my head and saw myself looking lifeless in bed with a silver ,very thin string,cord thing coming out of the top of my head. Since then I have never wanted or thought about verifying my obe again.Now when I leave its go explore time, talk to entities and fly.

i have a question how can i camera capture something like that, our technology can't detect these other parallel dimensions yet. i have read about it that card /number experiment doesn't work that good , i am not particular about it , i am looking for any sort of verification .. like visiting a place where i haven't been to in the physical and later going in the physical to test and match the sights and contents ..

as for nick , it's just that i am big fan of Nikola tesla  


thanks everyone ..

hello , i am a newbie and have read quite extensively about astral projection,OBE etc .. robert bruce's astral dynamics and his 90 day program are i think most popular .. but then he goes onto negative entities,possessions,exorcism and stuff , which kind of scares me , most replies here i read say that's not true and R.B has changed .. even his site looks like a NLP  sales type page

i mean what's the truth has he changed , is he trying to sell books , or is it genuinely dangerous ?

and has anybody here tried his 90 day program - mastering astral projection ?

my main objective personally is to actually verify the reality of this OBE or to test it's connection with the physical world for myself.. i am tired of what to believe and what not to.. so want to see this first hand and come to conclusion

i am looking for any sort of verification like card experiment or visiting a place and later verifying it in physical , or knowing , gaining some knowledge that i couldn't know with normal physical means .. or anything else

is it an achievable objective considering if i practice his 90 day program diligently ? and should i be concerned with negative entities part ?

thanks