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I had a strange dream the other night that effected me quite a bit.  Not sure how much exactly it has to do with OOBE or projecting but I thought some might find it interesting perhaps.  [|)]

I've always heard of people projecting and talking to relatives that have passed on but never have done it or thought about trying anything like that before.  

I only remember bits and pieces of the dream so I'm going to try and put it together best I can here.  

Don't quite remember how the dream began exactly, only that I was in a grassy field, I remember saying to myself that I'd never seen grass so green.  I could feel it on my bare feet as it was slightly damp.  I remember laying down in the grass and looking at it, running my fingers through it as if I were looking for something in the blades of grass.  

Suddenly with a start I realized someone was sitting there watching me.  As I looked up I felt tremendous love and happiness, a huge smile came over my face.  It was my grandmother which has been dead for little over 7 years now.  We talked for what seemed like forever but my head was in a slight daze, all I can remember are impressions and images, thoughts and feelings not words exchanged per say.  Was almost like she was talking to me without talking and I just sat there absorbing it all.  At that time it felt perfectly natural.  It wasn't till after I'd awoken later on that it struck me as very odd.

The conversation itself is really fuzzy or what was said, or tried to be said rather because I'm not sure I understood what exactly what was going on.  All I do remember is having this feeling of not wanting to leave, the feeling of wanting to stay there with her.

At that point I think I started to wake up slightly because noises from the real world (girl friend sleeping and moving next to me) started to intrude.  For a quick moment it looked like my grandmother (in the dream) was snoring before I woke up, then I realized it was my girlfriend.  

I have to admit I was disappointed when I woke up. [V]  Felt like I'd lost something all over again, but the more I thought about the dream the happier I got.

About a year or so before my grandmother died she had lung cancer, had 1/3 of her lungs removed because of it.  After the surgery all she did was lay in bed and sleep.  I moved in with her after that to take care of her.  Worst thing I've ever gone through was to watch her slowly go down hill like that and die.

I felt myself slowly losing my sanity as I watched and took care of her best I could.  

Guess this dream eased that long term pain a little bit somehow, as well as brought up a few I thought weren't a factor anymore.  

Even tho it confuses me a bit still. [?]

-Illusory

I don't normally post a whole lot, I'm more the reader type, but I had an experience that shocked me recently and I thought I'd share.  Not one of the best stories but when things happen to you rather than reading them on a forum they always seem a bit more intense.  (If that makes sense)  

Its been a couple weeks since my last conscience projection, and honestly I wasn't trying to project this time either which for the most part is what startled me a little bit.  

My girlfriend and I had just had a big fight previously, we were both rather ticked and bent out of shape.  I had gone to the back room to relax and try and cool off.  I tried to read but couldn't focus I was still so upset, so I started to meditate a bit.  It took me twice as long as it normally does I think because I wasn't focusing and my mind was wandering in anger.  

I finally reached the point I had calmed down.  I wasn't trying to project at all at the time.  I've always heard that your unable to project when your upset or distressed so I didn't even bother with it.  I've also heard people talk about others helping you out of your body making projection very easy but I've never experienced this first hand until now.  

It feels strange trying to discribe this because this is the first time I've ever felt this.  As I was meditating I felt something or someone pulling on my astral hands and/or wrists.  At first I figured it was just my imagination so I went with it.  Then it felt like I was literally being pulled out of my body.  With a strong jolt and a small flash of blue'ish green light (sounds corny) I was seperated from my body.  I'd projected on my own several times but it'd never been that easy.  Like I hadn't even tried to project.  Felt like I was floating and being pulled at a high rate of speed but I couldn't see a single thing which made me very nervous as all my previous projections I had at least a little sight, even if fuzzy and dark.

Suddely the pulling stopped and I was left alone in the dark floating, either it had let go or I willed it away without knowing it, not quite sure which.  I've never had to ask for my sight before as I mentioned above but I'd always heard it being done by others with various results.  So I asked for my sight and nothing happened, I asked again and nothing still.  I stood still just floating until my sight came almost afraid to move.  At that point I was a bit confused, still a bit angry from previous and now a little scared not being able to see while projecting.

Then without warning I began to see my home town far below me, seemed I was floating high in the air.  When ever I've projected in the past, normally I don't approach anyone I see or vise versa which I'm fine with for now.  This experience is the first time I've ever had anyone this close to me while projecting.  

As I began to get my sight I noticed a male about my build and height floating in front of me just staring at me, not saying a thing or making any gestures of any kind.  I just stood there for a moment startled, not sure what to say, not even sure if it was my own imagination that created this or not.  Suddenly the figure lunged at me with both hands, getting freaked out I rushed back to my body not even trying to.

As I sat on my bed thinking about what had just happened I'm still puzzled about who or what this figure was or wanted for that matter.  I think I've decided that it was just my imagination that created the figure due to me being in that state of mind at the time I projected, or maybe I drew a neg. entity towards me being close to trance and having those upset feelings.  

What ever it was it really shook me up a bit.

I've heard of entities in the astral communicating by non-verbal communication but I know very little about it.

Guess I just needed to get that out into the open for some reason.

<Feels better already>  [:I]

-Illusory

I used to have the same problem with sight while in the Astral.  Like Frank mentioned all you can really do is practice, it'll get easier as you progress.  Some people take longer to adjust and learn than others.

I agree with Noxerus, being too close to your body while projecting causes some weird side effects, visual being one of them.  You might try moving farther away from your physical body.

-Illusory

Hmm ... thats interesting.  Like GTP said it could just be soldiers browsing sites.  

Then again who knows with the Governments past record history.  They might be creating an army of Astral Projecting soldiers - US Gov. Astral training 101.  

-Illusory

Thanks a million for the additional links Timeless!

I'll add them to my favorites and check them out at work when I'm suppose to be working.  [8D]

<covers his mouth>  [:O]

Oops, did I say that??  [:O]

P.S. Don't let anyone tell you that something you like or enjoy is a waste of time!  

Best wishes! [^]

-Illusory

Wow, very interesting page.  I've never read any Zen philosophy before but have always been really big on open mindedness.  

Just wish I could make my girlfriend read and understand this page.  She's the type of person that would read it and say, "Hmm, weird." and walk away without a second thought.

I guess we can only work on ourselves and our own spiritualality (spelling).

I might have to look for more Zen related topics now that you've dipped me into that pool.  

Thanks for the interesting link!  [^]

The first time you run into someone else or something else for that matter while in the RL plane its quite a slap in the face as in, "Wow there really ARE other people here besides me and they DO think on their own."

I think you were right on Terrance, perhaps this guy was only trying to help.  Not having ever seen or run into anyone else in the RL plane before mixed with my current state of mind (upset) at that time made me make a snap judgement w/out realizing it and recoil in fear.

Just proves that I'm very unexperienced in projecting and I do have alot to learn.

Very interesting to hear someone was having the same thoughts, or feelings as I was having!  Thanks for posting your experience Vicky!

I also have felt pinches and pokes, sometimes sounds of yelling or whispering as I'm trying to induce projections.  It used to snap me out of the trance instantly thinking someone was waiting for me in the RL plane.  Once I got over that fear and began ignoring the symtoms that arose once and awhile, I found that no one was really waiting for me at all.  T'was just my own mind and inner fears I was dealing with.  Which I'm continually dealing with even now.

Thanks for your posts and/or thoughts!

-Illusory

Kakkarot,

As I'm rather new I didn't know you but your past posts that I've read are enlightening to say the least.  

Good luck to you and I wish you the best!  

-Illusory

True or not that was a great story.  

Thanks for the link.  

Took me awhile to read it because I'm at work currently and had to keep minimizing it every time my boss came into the room.  []

Sounds almost too perfect to be real in my opinion, but then who knows.  []

-Illusory

Sublime,

Thanks for the reply.[]

I've been meditating for 10-12 years but just recently got into astral projection.  I don't do anything unusual or magical when I meditiate.  Honestly I just do what feels comfortable and natural.  When I first started I used to sit legs crossed and chant my mantra but I stopped doing that some years ago.  I no longer use the mantra, Sometimes I'm sitting and sometimes I'll be lying down on my back.  Whatever is comfortable like I said.  

I recently posted a detailed post awhile back on the method I use to project ... let me post a link for you.  []


http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4018&whichpage=1

The only way that works for me to project is to project from a meditation.  Someone mentioned maybe because I've been meditating for so long and I am so used to it.  Honestly I don't know why.

But when you meditate and you reach the point you feel like your almost asleep but still aware and awake, (only way I know how to explain it) thats when I normally induce or try to project out.  At that point the signs begin to surface, the vibrations, the pretty colors, sounds of wind sometimes, voices from near you that seem to echo from everywhere and no where at the same time ... you just tune it all out and focus on the task at hand I guess.

About the pulled out of my body thing, like I mentioned in the post at first I figured it was just my imagination working over time because I'd never felt anything like that before w/out trying to project volunteeringly.

Take care and again thanks for the reply!  []

-Illusory

Hey Derk!

Welcome to the boards!  

Its good to see another new member (besides me).  Last 4 months I've been posting to 3-4 different boards on this subject trying to find honest, good, informative people and an active board.  This is the only board I ever check on this subject now.  Its great and has some very kind people here.  

As far as Ki and energy/auras go I can create Ki balls but still can't see them, but I can feel them.  I can project easy but am still very clumsy and unexperienced.  

Just go at your own pace and learn what you can.  Patience is the key, if at first you don't get something ask someone if your doing it correctly and stick to it.

Enjoy your stay!  []

P.S.  On the neg beings thing, I've never seen anything personally so I really can't say.  Alot of people say alot of different things from you create what you see yourself to some aren't strong enough to see whats really there.  But don't let fear stand in your way of anything.  IMHO

-Illusory []

MTBI Test Results
Your personality type is ISFP.

Introverted (I) 100% Extraverted (E) 0%
Sensing (S) 64% Intuitive (N) 36%
Feeling (F) 80% Thinking (T) 20%
Perceiving (P) 64% Judging (J) 36%

Umm ... 100% Introverted?  I am NOT Introverted!  
<climbs back under his desk at work>
Why is everyone looking at me?  
<starts to sweat & shake>  []

I've been interested in Lucid Dreaming and OOBE for a long while.  Just another way to express my artistic side and blow off steam without doing any real damage to anything physical.  

Very empathic as far as others feelings go and I've been meditating for near 12 years now.

Most times when I project I sit and work on skills, creating objects, making thought objects last, instant travel, seeing how large or small I can make myself.  Always been the "keep to myself" type so I find projecting very peaceful and calming like meditating is for me.

-Illusory  []

Between the ages of 9-12 years old I used to lucid dream 4-5 times a month on a regular basis.  The lucid dreaming experience was so fantastic and exciting to me, then I suddenly stopped doing it and forgot about it.  I don't know why I lost the ability it just happened.  

Recenty I found OOBE and have discovered that its fairly easy for me to do WITH the same excitment and rush that lucid dreaming had for me 20 years ago.

So I guess its getting me in touch with my youth and at the same time is a good chance for spiritual growth.

[^]

When I began imagining myself on the other side of the room I was already feeling slight vibrations but there was no clicking or snapping noise that people describe, which is why at first I thought I was imagining the entire session.

At first I could tell the difference between the fantasy me on the other side of the room and me lying on the bed. (If that makes any sense at all).  Then something happened, not quite sure how to explain but it felt like I was in two places at once instantly but could still feel my body and was semi aware (physical) even tho I was seeing thru my astral self at that point.

So yes I did feel vibrations and floating before I started visualizing myself across the room, but the sensations got more intense.  All I could do was focus on what my suroundings felt and smelt like as my astral self to keep my mind off it.

~~First post to this board btw~~

I Wish I had some magical method to help you all project but I'm afraid I don't.  Actually I'm quite new to AP/EP/OOBE myself.  Only helpful advice I can give is to tell you how I got out myself and what I use now to project.

I've always heard from everyone that people learn at different speeds and to just be patient, seems I've always been the one trying to catch up.  

--(Little background before I tell you how I get out)--
I've always had a high level on concentration and/or focus, its just always been there for me without having to spend years developing it for some reason, I can't really explain why.  I've been meditating for 10 - 12 years now and first got into projecting just 2 months ago, spent the first month just doing research on the web, talking to people and reading on the subject before I even tried to project, I think it was fear of the unknown that kept me from it.  All the stories of running into entities and such or getting lost I guess is what kept me from trying that first month.  

The second month or so I started trying to project using various methods I'd read about.  I tried for 2 weeks and already could feel myself getting frusterated.  I can't imagine trying for 2+ years without success, wow.  Anyways nothing seemed to work for me, rope method, rolling out, crawling out, seems like I tried everything that was posted and/or thought up without success.

At the end of the second week while meditating in a trance state laying on my back comfortably, with the lights down dim I started to fall asleep slightly.  I could feel it beginning, my mind was still aware so at that point when I was feeling dizzy and a bit disoriented, a heavy sensation I imagined myself standing on the other side of the room, I spent a minute or so visualizing the room from my new viewpoint across the room, what it smelt like, what the furnature felt like to my astral hands.  

Before I knew what had happened I felt like I was on the other side of the room and everything was so clear and vivid which scared the heck out of me.  A kind of "What the heck have I done!!" type of feeling if you will came over me and I was rushed intantly back to my body.  

I tried to project later that night after I'd calmed down and relaxed abit again with same results, without the fear that time.  The second session lasted me ... umm not quite a minute I'd say before I returned to me body.

This was only a few weeks ago so yes I'm still very new to projecting but I've projected using this same method that works for me several times after that first success.  

At first, having only been trying to project a few weeks I figured I was doing something wrong or just dreaming it.  I spoke to a couple people I know that are familiar with projecting and described exactly what happened and what I saw, the feelings I had at the time and they all said it sounds like a projection and not a dream.  Not to mention the fact I'm able to use the same method to achieve the same results.

I know this probably wasn't much help to you trying to project but its all I have to offer I'm afraid.  This is how I currently project and the method I've found that works for me.

I'm not exactly sure why it didn't take 2.5 years for me to project like most other people I've been talking to, maybe its the amount of focus or how deep of a trance you can achieve.  Honestly I don't understand myself why.

Hope this helps a little in some way.

-Illusory