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I'm familiar with the feeling of "oneness" although perhaps it's more a feeling of being connected with everything rather than actually being everything .. Kind of like a rope connecting two people we aren't both the same being We are seperate beings but connected via the rope.. The theory that everyone and everything is God doesn't really make sense if there are set "rules" because that would mean there would be a godhead one who creates the rules one who is seperate? .. or you create your own reality through belief .. And most of the time one just adopts beliefs due to social conditioning .. And you haft to break those beliefs in order to experience the wider reality, so in a sense this could be "breaking the rules".. Who knows .. Damn this philosophical thinking is making me all tired 

And who creates these supposed "rules" and how does one break them... And have you done this personally? .. Perhaps you could point me in the right direction. Indeed I've watched a few documentaries on Shaolin monks. The "Ring of fire" documentary that features "John Chang" is probably the most credible documentary there is on "psychic" powers .. I just need to experience it myself, I'm sure you can understand.

And as for shared dreaming experiences, something I have not really researched, could you link me to any credible research?

Hey welcome. Firstly, lucid dreams and astral projection are the same things "projecting" is simply the act of being aware in the non physical. " Astral Projection" in your mind would be wilfully separating the awareness of your physical body elsewhere... To perhaps the "astral plane" something you assume is seperate from the "dream planes" ..correct me if I'm wrong? Ultimately it's the same Shifting your consciousness to an alternate reality. W.I.L.D (Wake Induced Lucid Dream) going from a state of wakefulness into a dream or "projection" same thing. I like to think of a theatre projector, except we are the projector in our own worlds projecting what ever images we so desire, and perhaps some we don't.. Perhaps our worlds will collide ... Maybe they already co-exist... Then again maybe not?

Long story short, your probably making it more complex than you need to?

I can recall many lucid dreams that would suggest that perhaps we aren't always alone in dreams and that not every "dream character" is simply a figment of our imagination.. As we all know expectations, will and intent is the building blocks of lucid dreaming and when you find "independent agents" ( DC's that seem to act independently, that are out of the lucid dreamers control and that act contridictory to expectation and reason.) as well as scenarios, and situations where things completely go against initial expectation, reasons and beliefs... You start to have doubts... But then again I don't think that ones subconscious should be so easily dismissed .. People believe what they want.. I have no doubt that the subconscious is quite capable of conjuring up an independent agent that swears until they are black'n blue they are a seperate entity or even a reoccurring "spirit guide" that is seemingly more intelligent than the conscious dreamer.

My intuition tells me Their has to be more then boring Ol mundane life, but what if intuition is just desire wearing a mask? Well I'll just haft to wait until my subconscious conjours up something that leaves me without any residue of doubt..

Why is it if we live in a world with "spirits" that we don't see them in waking hours .. Except the "intuitive" ones the ones that desire to be someone special so bad that they start hallucinating and cause themselves mild schizophrenia .. If the paranormal is real then why is that million dollar challenge still waiting to be claimed..

Magik... "Everything is energy and you can manipulate energy through the power of will" then why the can not one person on this earth levitate objects create something out of nothing.. WHERE IS THE PROOF man... Wicca's, witch's, psychics, mediums ... Where is the studies, the research the videos in a controlled environment, I need PROOF man  

Woah got carried away   maybe I'm just frustrated because I want it all to be real but can't logically accept it.. My apologies if I disrespected someone, wasn't my intention I think my point is that the subconscious's ability to trick you shouldn't be disregarded so lightly.

Any wizards care to share their opinion?  

Edited for language... let's please keep this PG13, this is a family forum.  Thanks.  ~Xanth

So my initial presumptions that their is no difference between an AP and a LD were correct, and a projection is simply experiencing consciousness.. And an "astral" projection would be experiencing consciousness in a seperate reality one other than physical reality, the confusion is just the induction technique.. WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dream = "AP" .. Spontaneous lucidity = "LD"? Well someone could have explained that to me last week, before I spent $75 on Robert Monroes F***ing books     

I suppose I wanted to believe in more than just a conscious dream, where astral projection was going to the "Spirit Realm" where entities beyond ones imagination actually exist.. The lower realm and higher realm etc etc.. If you want to get all Don Juan crazy I wanted to meet "inorganic beings" .. Everyone talks about spirit guides and angels and all that jazz.. But it's just ones intention and imagination that creates those "realities"? Damn I thought Robert Waggoner was onto something with the whole "hidden observer".. Someone behind the curtain so to speak.. Bet it's a disappointment when that curtain drops and it's a reflection  ...

Hi all, I had a strange experience the other night and I was wondering if someone could tell me if it was infact an astral projection experience or instead only a lucid dream. ( I admit I am skeptical about separating both these terms)

I awoke during the night and decided to meditate for approximately an hour on my back, I  then rolled on my side and let myself fall asleep slowly. ( I can't fall asleep on my back) My mind was silent and I had a somewhat enchanced focus and awareness due to meditating which made it hard to fall asleep.

because of my prior meditation I kept becoming aware of the sensation of falling deeper into sleep, a sort of deep wave crashing over your body and your vision becoming further engulfed in a deeper blackness also accompanied by a feeling of somewhat sinking or dissociation. This sensation would further awaken me because it's onset was instant sometimes even startling me because of its sudden and abrupt shift , it would send a sort of pins and needles throughout my body ( not to be confused with vibrations.) Anyway this occurred maybe 5 times.

eventually I just became accustomed to the suddenn onset of the sensation, and went further into the rabbit hole. I started to feel the "vibrations" I would personsally describe them as a sort of very fast pulsating energy not intense or uncomfortable more gentle and subtle accompanied by a very quiet fluttering of sorts in the ear the pulsating became faster and faster I was Patiently and enthusiastically awaiting for the intensity to grow..

This is it this is the moment I decide in an instant, I roll out of my body I experience what feels like pushing myself through a barrier or force field I feel a sort of detachment as I succeed ( kind of like when you bury your foot in wet sand and as you pull you feel a release of pressure and it makes that slurping sound) I roll out onto the ground and then I kind of just find myself back in my body where the oddest thing is happening my vision is coming out of my F***king stomach, like what the hell? It's coloured and clear I'm looking out my stomach at half my bed and half my room. I feel as if I'm on my hand and knees crouched over where my real body would be only my head and vision are stuck in my stomach.. I'm forcing myself out pulling my neck upwards as if it where like my head was buried in sand.

I finally come out  I'm stumbling around feeling unusually lethargic a feeling of no energy my vision is grey and awfully blurry ( kind of like looking through a telescope) my vision is out of my control, I feel like a new born calf stumbling all confused and dazed like "what the F*** is going on man, who's this big cow" I stumble for maybe ten seconds around my bed then collapse back in my body really unintentionally all weird experiences cease and I'm in a calm mild sleep paralysis which then subsides quickly and I awaken confused, excited and quite frankly a little disappointed.

I'll add that I'm a frequent lucid dreamer, probably have had well over 100 lucid dreams that often vary in control and length and even quite a few that have tried mimicking AP. this however I would consider to be a most unusual experience with a lot of unexpected things such as vision out of my stomach, and a feeling of lethargy and lack of energy which I have never heard about let alone expected or experienced before and 97% of my lucid dreams are spontaneous where I lose consciousness then regain once in a dream which was not the case in this particular situation. Although I still add the possibility that it may have just been an unusual lucid dream mimicking AP with unintentional results, I am yet to conclude and hopefully will in the near future where I take further endeavours into the rabbit hole

Thoughts?