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Who is aware of some of the dangers in the spirtual and astral realms?  I'm not talking about the dangers of the harmful entities that are sometimes causing problems in there.  I'm talking about the other kinds of dangers.

For example in our physical world, earth, and the cosmos we have such dangers as tornadoes, earthquakes, typhoons, tidal waves, volcanoes, storms, etc.  Examples out in the Cosmos would possibly be some of the above things on other planets, but would also include such things as weightlessness, black holes, comets, asteroids, etc.

So in summary my question is.  Who knows of some of the dangers in the spiritual and astral realms that are not neccessarily like the examples given above but are of the same type category.  For example tunnels going wrong in the spiritual realm or maybe somekind of vortexes in the spiritual realm, etc.

I read a post by one person on this site, and I believe she has discovered and experienced something personally that probably only a few human entities have ever experienced.  Working with an angel or something, she was curious if there was an end to our particular cosmos.  So she astral projected and flew, and flew, and flew till finally she came to like a plasic bubble type membrane or shield.  She then moved through this membrane, and what she beheld was thousands and thousands of exact kinds of bubble spheres just floating out in that existence (or space which ever you want to call it).  She then flew from the bubble that she and all of us are part of to the next closest bubble.  She then entered that bubbles membrane (which had a plastic bubbly membrane like the cosmos she came from).  Immediately when she entered that other Bubble sphere (or separate cosmos, whatever you want to call it) a watch like being moved at her swiftly and quickly, and quickly escorted her back out of the bubble.  She later said it was as if her being and entity was at a different frequency than that cosmos or of the entities in that cosmos, and that for that reason she clearly realized she was not supposed to be a part of that cosmos (bubbly sphere) in any way.  In summary she reflected and realized that God has created no telling how many of these cosmos separate from each other, but the entities withing their respective bubble cosmos, only belong or can be a part of their cosmos in particular.  When you think about that, that is fine, because never in a million years will we have explored our cosmos (bubbly sphere) with all that it might possibly have in it including planets and other lifeforms.  Just a thought, but the story is true.

Interested in hearing yalls input

Hi everyone

  I'm trying to remember all the different world views.  If I remember right there is

1) theism

2) deism

3) atheism

4) pantheism

5) panatheism

6) finite godism

7) polytheism


I believe one or two more.

Does anyone know the other couple?  Also some of you out there presently hold beliefs within one or more of the world views listed above.  For those of you who are knowledgeable on your particular world view could you explain it more in depth for the people who read this topic, and want to post reply posts?

For Example I believe in Theism:  Theism is a world view that believes one infinite God created this cosmos and any other cosmos that exists in any present reality anywhere at this point in time.  It also believes that all other worlds or cosmos that might come into existence will be created by this one infinite God.  There are presently 3 main vehicles in theism:  Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.

Could others on this forum who are knowledgeable on the other world views please give their views on them?  Also if anyone wants to add to the definition of "theism" please feel free to do so.

Eventually once we get all the definitions of these world views, we can address the question more appropriately on whether all of them are mutually exclusive or not.

I'm interested in everyones input on the different theories on how the Big Bang created spiritual entities?

If God created our cosmos, how many of you think it is possible that he could create other cosmos separate from our cosmos, and we could never know about it in a billion years unless God told us about those other Cosmos?

If the big bang theory is correct, could these big bangs take place in all kinds of different realities.  In other words could the big bang theory create other cosmos that are separate from our cosmos, and we would never know anything about it?  In other words why would any other big bangs somewhere out there have to be in some way connected or close to our Cosmso?  It seems that the answer is that they wouldn't need to be?


Also what are some of the proofs in the world that tend to lean toward the belief that their is a Creator, God?

What are some of the things in the world that someone could try to use to disprove the existence of God?

Anyone want to try to tackle this issue?  I believe it is "Theodicy" which is the field that covers the problem of "pain, suffering,and evil".

I believe that God has a certain kind of nature, and that if God ever made the mistake of going against his own nature, that this world would be 100 times more messed up than what it is.  In other words if God made the mistake of going against his nature, by doing so it would corrupt God, himself, and all of his creation would turn into a dark nightmare.

When humans sinned against God, if that is what it can be called, he had two choices.  He could react to our sin and impose certain consequences, and still basically preserve the good order of things, even though it meant there would be some pain, suffering, and evil on the earth.  Or he could have went against his nature, and not imposed those certain consequences, and by going against his Nature he would have corrupted himself, and his creation would have become completely twisted and into some kind of a situation that is 100 times worse than it is.

In other words are present situation is the best of two possible outcomes that existed.

I would be interested in hearing about others view of the problem of pain, suffering, and evil and why they think it exists.  I'm interested in viewpoints from people who have theistic views of God or some other kind of belief or view of God.  I'm also interested in people's views who do not believe in God, and how they feel the problem of pain, suffering, and evil came into existence and if they feel their are any remedies for improving mankind's condition.

I've edited this topic, because as you can see below Alchimiste got one of his girlfriends to once again come over to a site and try to start things, rather than engaging in beneficial conversation.  when people do that, all you can really do is just stay there and put up with it, or defend yourself back.  I opt to defend yourself back.

Hi

I'm interested in every kind and any kind of technique or approach for forcing a neg out of a person it is possessing or messing with, so that the person can regain their complete life back.

I'm presently interested in 2 areas:

Area # 1) Things that can be used to actually detect that a neg is messing with a person or actually possessing a person.

Possibilities: 1) electro magnetic field detector, something you can put up to a person, and it goes off if a neg is on the person 2) some other kind of detection device or measuring type meter 3) some special kind of photographic equipment that can photograph a person, and detect if a neg is on the person. Some type of x-ray perhaps.


Area # 2) Substances or techniques that can be used to forcefully remove the neg once it is evident that there is a neg and it is messing with the person or possessing the person.

Possibilities:

1) Prayer

2) chi energy, by a person who is experienced in using it, and knows how to use it to force possessing entities out. Chi energy may or may not be able to be used in that way, it's just a thought.

3) certain substances when burnt on a incense or in some other way, whether those substances be herbs, or some other type of substance. The smell must have a certain scent and vibration that the neg can not stand. Does anyone know of such substances?

4) Possibly psychic energy. Is Psychic energy different from chi energy. How could psychic energy be used to force an entity out of a person? How is using chi energy different from psychic energy when it comes to forcing an entity out of a person?

5) Certain crystals. Who knows what type of crystals send out vibrations that even the strongest negs must leave? Can just the vibrations of certain crystals brought into the area of a possessed person force the entity to come out of the person?

6) flower essences. Are there certain flower essences known which can force an entity out of a person?

7) Underground streams. How powerful must an underground stream be to force a strong neg out of a person? Who knows some locations of underground streams in the U.S. or anywhere else that are strong enough to do this?

Acupuncture. Could Acupuncture possibly be used to force a strong entity out of a person. By releasing energy channels in the person that may be blocked or that the neg may have blocked, can the release of those energy channels by acupuncture possibly force a possessing neg entity out?

9) Low voltage electricity. How much voltage of electricity would be needed to force a neg out of a person. Are there low voltage devices that someone can buy somewhere which will work in forcing a neg out of a person?

10) There are many ways to attempt removing a neg from the physical realm by a person who is in their physical body. Are there ways to remove a neg from a person who is being messed with by traveling in the astral realm by astral projection? What are all the different types of methods and techniques one can use from the astral realm during astral projection to help a person somewhere who is possessed by a neg entity?

11) Are there any magnetic field type devices that a person can use to remove a neg from a person. What are some ideas for some electrical or magnietic or energy type devices that could be built to remove negs from people they are messing with?


Please anyone who would like to, feel free to discuss all these questions above with everyone on the forum. Any information you have of other web sites which contain information. Or any information you have of certain substances or crystals that can be used to force a neg out of a person?

Please feel free to e-mail me also.

Everyone have a good day. Together maybe we can rid the world of negs all together. I would also be interested in finding out if devices or even crystals can be built that can be used to either destroy negs all together, or if we choose not to destroy them to at least be able to imprison them so they can no longer reak havoc on mankind.  

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I'm interested in every kind and any kind of technique or approach for forcing a neg out of a person it is possessing or messing with, so that the person can regain their complete life back.

I'm presently interested in 2 areas:

Area # 1) Things that can be used to actually detect that a neg is messing with a person or actually possessing a person.

Possibilities: 1) electro magnetic field detector, something you can put up to a person, and it goes off if a neg is on the person 2) some other kind of detection device or measuring type meter 3) some special kind of photographic equipment that can photograph a person, and detect if a neg is on the person. Some type of x-ray perhaps.


Area # 2) Substances or techniques that can be used to forcefully remove the neg once it is evident that there is a neg and it is messing with the person or possessing the person.

Possibilities:

1) Prayer

2) chi energy, by a person who is experienced in using it, and knows how to use it to force possessing entities out. Chi energy may or may not be able to be used in that way, it's just a thought.

3) certain substances when burnt on a incense or in some other way, whether those substances be herbs, or some other type of substance. The smell must have a certain scent and vibration that the neg can not stand. Does anyone know of such substances?

4) Possibly psychic energy. Is Psychic energy different from chi energy. How could psychic energy be used to force an entity out of a person? How is using chi energy different from psychic energy when it comes to forcing an entity out of a person?

5) Certain crystals. Who knows what type of crystals send out vibrations that even the strongest negs must leave? Can just the vibrations of certain crystals brought into the area of a possessed person force the entity to come out of the person?

6) flower essences. Are there certain flower essences known which can force an entity out of a person?

7) Underground streams. How powerful must an underground stream be to force a strong neg out of a person? Who knows some locations of underground streams in the U.S. or anywhere else that are strong enough to do this?

Acupuncture. Could Acupuncture possibly be used to force a strong entity out of a person. By releasing energy channels in the person that may be blocked or that the neg may have blocked, can the release of those energy channels by acupuncture possibly force a possessing neg entity out?

9) Low voltage electricity. How much voltage of electricity would be needed to force a neg out of a person. Are there low voltage devices that someone can buy somewhere which will work in forcing a neg out of a person?

10) There are many ways to attempt removing a neg from the physical realm by a person who is in their physical body. Are there ways to remove a neg from a person who is being messed with by traveling in the astral realm by astral projection? What are all the different types of methods and techniques one can use from the astral realm during astral projection to help a person somewhere who is possessed by a neg entity?

11) Are there any magnetic field type devices that a person can use to remove a neg from a person. What are some ideas for some electrical or magnietic or energy type devices that could be built to remove negs from people they are messing with?


Please anyone who would like to, feel free to discuss all these questions above with everyone on the forum. Any information you have of other web sites which contain information. Or any information you have of certain substances or crystals that can be used to force a neg out of a person?

Please feel free to e-mail me also.

Everyone have a good day. Together maybe we can rid the world of negs all together. I would also be interested in finding out if devices or even crystals can be built that can be used to either destroy negs all together, or if we choose not to destroy them to at least be able to imprison them so they can no longer reak havoc on mankind.  

Hi

    In this particular world, dangerous situations sometimes occur and happen.  There are many types of dangerous entities in the spiritual realm that seek to take advantage of human enities and any unfortunate situations they may temporarily encounter.  They may not sometimes be able to stop our spiritual development, but they can sometimes try to attack at certain times and in certain ways to try to attack a human entities happiness or enjoyment in life.

  I'm interested in every kind and any kind of technique or approach for forcing a neg out of a person it is possessing or messing with, so that the person can regain their complete life back.

I'm presently interested in 2 areas:

Area # 1) Things that can be used to actually detect that a neg is messing with a person or actually possessing a person.

Possibilities: 1) electro magnetic field detector, something you can put up to a person, and it goes off if a neg is on the person 2) some other kind of detection device or measuring type meter 3) some special kind of photographic equipment that can photograph a person, and detect if a neg is on the person. Some type of x-ray perhaps.


Area # 2) Substances or techniques that can be used to forcefully remove the neg once it is evident that there is a neg and it is messing with the person or possessing the person.

Possibilities:

1) Prayer, by a Holy Spirit filled Christian who has strong faith.

2) chi energy, by a person who is experienced in using it, and knows how to use it to force possessing entities out. Chi energy may or may not be able to be used in that way, it's just a thought.

3) certain substances when burnt on a incense or in some other way, whether those substances be herbs, or some other type of substance. The smell must have a certain scent and vibration that the neg can not stand. Does anyone know of such substances?

4) Possibly psychic energy. Is Psychic energy different from chi energy. How could psychic energy be used to force an entity out of a person? How is using chi energy different from psychic energy when it comes to forcing an entity out of a person?

5) Certain crystals. Who knows what type of crystals send out vibrations that even the strongest negs must leave? Can just the vibrations of certain crystals brought into the area of a possessed person force the entity to come out of the person?

6) flower essences. Are there certain flower essences known which can force an entity out of a person?

7) Underground streams. How powerful must an underground stream be to force a strong neg out of a person? Who knows some locations of underground streams in the U.S. or anywhere else that are strong enough to do this?

Acupuncture. Could Acupuncture possibly be used to force a strong entity out of a person. By releasing energy channels in the person that may be blocked or that the neg may have blocked, can the release of those energy channels by acupuncture possibly force a possessing neg entity out?

9) Low voltage electricity. How much voltage of electricity would be needed to force a neg out of a person. Are there low voltage devices that someone can buy somewhere which will work in forcing a neg out of a person?

10) There are many ways to attempt removing a neg from the physical realm by a person who is in their physical body. Are there ways to remove a neg from a person who is being messed with by traveling in the astral realm by astral projection? What are all the different types of methods and techniques one can use from the astral realm during astral projection to help a person somewhere who is possessed by a neg entity?

11) Are there any magnetic field type devices that a person can use to remove a neg from a person. What are some ideas for some electrical or magnietic or energy type devices that could be built to remove negs from people they are messing with?


Please anyone who would like to, feel free to discuss all these questions above with everyone on the forum. Any information you have of other web sites which contain information. Or any information you have of certain substances or crystals that can be used to force a neg out of a person?

Please feel free to e-mail me also.

Everyone have a good day. Together maybe we can rid the world of negs all together. I would also be interested in finding out if devices or even crystals can be built that can be used to either destroy negs all together, or if we choose not to destroy them to at least be able to imprison them so they can no longer reak havoc on mankind.  

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   I'm interested in how the study of metaphysics could help in any way with dealing with the problem of "Negs". Or in finding solutions to countering "negs".

  I'm also interested in every kind and any kind of technique or approach for forcing a neg out of a person it is possessing or messing with, so that the person can regain their complete life back.

I'm presently interested in 2 areas:

Area # 1) Things that can be used to actually detect that a neg is messing with a person or actually possessing a person.

Possibilities: 1) electro magnetic field detector, something you can put up to a person, and it goes off if a neg is on the person 2) some other kind of detection device or measuring type meter 3) some special kind of photographic equipment that can photograph a person, and detect if a neg is on the person. Some type of x-ray perhaps.


Area # 2) Substances or techniques that can be used to forcefully remove the neg once it is evident that there is a neg and it is messing with the person or possessing the person.

Possibilities:

1) Prayer

2) chi energy, by a person who is experienced in using it, and knows how to use it to force possessing entities out. Chi energy may or may not be able to be used in that way, it's just a thought.

3) certain substances when burnt on a incense or in some other way, whether those substances be herbs, or some other type of substance. The smell must have a certain scent and vibration that the neg can not stand. Does anyone know of such substances?

4) Possibly psychic energy. Is Psychic energy different from chi energy. How could psychic energy be used to force an entity out of a person? How is using chi energy different from psychic energy when it comes to forcing an entity out of a person?

5) Certain crystals. Who knows what type of crystals send out vibrations that even the strongest negs must leave? Can just the vibrations of certain crystals brought into the area of a possessed person force the entity to come out of the person?

6) flower essences. Are there certain flower essences known which can force an entity out of a person?

7) Underground streams. How powerful must an underground stream be to force a strong neg out of a person? Who knows some locations of underground streams in the U.S. or anywhere else that are strong enough to do this?

Acupuncture. Could Acupuncture possibly be used to force a strong entity out of a person. By releasing energy channels in the person that may be blocked or that the neg may have blocked, can the release of those energy channels by acupuncture possibly force a possessing neg entity out?

9) Low voltage electricity. How much voltage of electricity would be needed to force a neg out of a person. Are there low voltage devices that someone can buy somewhere which will work in forcing a neg out of a person?

10) There are many ways to attempt removing a neg from the physical realm by a person who is in their physical body. Are there ways to remove a neg from a person who is being messed with by traveling in the astral realm by astral projection? What are all the different types of methods and techniques one can use from the astral realm during astral projection to help a person somewhere who is possessed by a neg entity?

11) Are there any magnetic field type devices that a person can use to remove a neg from a person. What are some ideas for some electrical or magnietic or energy type devices that could be built to remove negs from people they are messing with?


Please anyone who would like to, feel free to discuss all these questions above with everyone on the forum. Any information you have of other web sites which contain information. Or any information you have of certain substances or crystals that can be used to force a neg out of a person?

Please feel free to e-mail me also.

Everyone have a good day. Together maybe we can rid the world of negs all together. I would also be interested in finding out if devices or even crystals can be built that can be used to either destroy negs all together, or if we choose not to destroy them to at least be able to imprison them so they can no longer reak havoc on mankind.  

Hi

  I'm interested in finding out about all the different techniques for developing energy and for strengthening your energy.

  I'm also interested in stories of how you or someone you know has used certain energy techniques to repel "negs" in the spiritual realm while astral projecting, if one happens to get attack by a neg in the spiritual realm while astral projecting.


 Along the above lines,I'm also interested in every kind and any kind of technique or approach for forcing a neg out of a person it is possessing or messing with, so that the person can regain their complete life back.

I'm presently interested in the above in 2 Main areas:

Area # 1) Things that can be used to actually detect that a neg is messing with a person or actually possessing a person.

Possibilities: 1) electro magnetic field detector, something you can put up to a person, and it goes off if a neg is on the person 2) some other kind of detection device or measuring type meter 3) some special kind of photographic equipment that can photograph a person, and detect if a neg is on the person. Some type of x-ray perhaps.


Area # 2) Substances or techniques that can be used to forcefully remove the neg once it is evident that there is a neg and it is messing with the person or possessing the person.

Possibilities:

1) Prayer

2) chi energy, by a person who is experienced in using it, and knows how to use it to force possessing entities out. Chi energy may or may not be able to be used in that way, it's just a thought.

3) certain substances when burnt on a incense or in some other way, whether those substances be herbs, or some other type of substance. The smell must have a certain scent and vibration that the neg can not stand. Does anyone know of such substances?

4) Possibly psychic energy. Is Psychic energy different from chi energy. How could psychic energy be used to force an entity out of a person? How is using chi energy different from psychic energy when it comes to forcing an entity out of a person?

5) Certain crystals. Who knows what type of crystals send out vibrations that even the strongest negs must leave? Can just the vibrations of certain crystals brought into the area of a possessed person force the entity to come out of the person?

6) flower essences. Are there certain flower essences known which can force an entity out of a person?

7) Underground streams. How powerful must an underground stream be to force a strong neg out of a person? Who knows some locations of underground streams in the U.S. or anywhere else that are strong enough to do this?

Acupuncture. Could Acupuncture possibly be used to force a strong entity out of a person. By releasing energy channels in the person that may be blocked or that the neg may have blocked, can the release of those energy channels by acupuncture possibly force a possessing neg entity out?

9) Low voltage electricity. How much voltage of electricity would be needed to force a neg out of a person. Are there low voltage devices that someone can buy somewhere which will work in forcing a neg out of a person?

10) There are many ways to attempt removing a neg from the physical realm by a person who is in their physical body. Are there ways to remove a neg from a person who is being messed with by traveling in the astral realm by astral projection? What are all the different types of methods and techniques one can use from the astral realm during astral projection to help a person somewhere who is possessed by a neg entity?

11) Are there any magnetic field type devices that a person can use to remove a neg from a person. What are some ideas for some electrical or magnietic or energy type devices that could be built to remove negs from people they are messing with?


Please anyone who would like to, feel free to discuss all these questions above with everyone on the forum. Any information you have of other web sites which contain information. Or any information you have of certain substances or crystals that can be used to force a neg out of a person?

Please feel free to e-mail me also.

Everyone have a good day. Together maybe we can rid the world of negs all together. I would also be interested in finding out if devices or even crystals can be built that can be used to either destroy negs all together, or if we choose not to destroy them to at least be able to imprison them so they can no longer reak havoc on mankind.  

Does someone have the right to search the different forums for people who may have expertise in a certain area without fear of having certain forum members tell him that he or she can't do that?

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    Does anyone know how you can delete a topic you might have put on a forum?  How do you delete both the Topic and all the reply posts that were made to the new topic that you put up?  If you are unable to delete any posts, how can you just delete the New topic you set up.  I know the system will allow you to edit any new topic you put up, but will the system allow you to delete that topic.  If not where do you send requests on this system that they upgrade the system so that you can delete any topics that you put up?

Hi

    I'm interested in every kind and any kind of technique or approach for forcing a neg out of a person it is possessing or messing with, so that the person can regain their complete life back.
   
    I'm presently interested in 2 areas:

Area # 1)  Things that can be used to actually detect that a neg is messing with a person or actually possessing a person.

    Possibilities:  1) electro magnetic field detector, something you can put up to a person, and it goes off if a neg is on the person  2) some other kind of detection device or measuring type meter  3) some special kind of photographic equipment that can photograph a person, and detect if a neg is on the person.  Some type of x-ray perhaps.


Area # 2)  Substances or techniques that can be used to forcefully remove the neg once it is evident that there is a neg and it is messing with the person or possessing the person.

     Possibilities:  

1) Prayer

2) chi energy, by a person who is experienced in using it, and knows how to use it to force possessing entities out.  Chi energy may or may not be able to be used in that way, it's just a thought.

3) certain substances when burnt on a incense or in some other way, whether those substances be herbs, or some other type of substance.  The smell must have a certain scent and vibration that the neg can not stand.  Does anyone know of such substances?

4) Possibly psychic energy.  Is Psychic energy different from chi energy.  How could psychic energy be used to force an entity out of a person?  How is using chi energy different from psychic energy when it comes to forcing an entity out of a person?

5)  Certain crystals.  Who knows what type of crystals send out vibrations that even the strongest negs must leave?  Can just the vibrations of certain crystals brought into the area of a possessed person force the entity to come out of the person?

6) flower essences.  Are there certain flower essences known which can force an entity out of a person?

7) Underground streams.  How powerful must an underground stream be to force a strong neg out of a person?  Who knows some locations of underground streams in the U.S. or anywhere else that are strong enough to do this?

 Acupuncture.  Could Acupuncture possibly be used to force a strong entity out of a person.  By releasing energy channels in the person that may be blocked or that the neg may have blocked, can the release of those energy channels by acupuncture possibly force a possessing neg entity out?

9) Low voltage electricity.  How much voltage of electricity would be needed to force a neg out of a person.  Are there low voltage devices that someone can buy somewhere which will work in forcing a neg out of a person?

10) There are many ways to attempt removing a neg from the physical realm by a person who is in their physical body.  Are there ways to remove a neg from a person who is being messed with by traveling in the astral realm by astral projection?  What are all the different types of methods and techniques one can use from the astral realm during astral projection to help a person somewhere who is possessed by a neg entity?

11)  Are there any magnetic field type devices that a person can use to remove a neg from a person.  What are some ideas for some electrical or magnietic or energy type devices that could be built to remove negs from people they are messing with?  


    Please anyone who would like to, feel free to discuss all these questions above with everyone on the forum.  Any information you have of other web sites which contain information.  Or any information you have of certain substances or crystals that can be used to force a neg out of a person?

 Please feel free to e-mail me also.

                  Everyone have a good day.  Together maybe we can rid the world of negs all together.  I would also be interested in finding out if devices or even crystals can be built that can be used to either destroy negs all together, or if we choose not to destroy them to at least be able to imprison them so they can no longer reak havoc on mankind.

Okay, I'll be sure not to argue with you then ides315. But you ought to at least put a picture of your avatar up there, for those who might want to argue with you.

One interesting question concerning the Bubble sphere (cosmos) above.  We know that our cosmos that earth is part of consists of thousands and thousands of galaxies.  My question is this, does the spritual and astral realms and the physical cosmos all stop at the same parameters.  For example the bubbly plastic membrane that she passed through was that the border for both our physical cosmos and it's attaching spiritual and astral realms?  I believe it is, would like to have others input.

Do the records say who created the records?

Hi everyone

In reference to your comment about dinosaurs, and Lucifer roaming the earth before even mankind was created.  Many people believe that dinosaurs were created around the same time as Adam and Eve, and they were just killed out by the humans as they were to dangerous of creatures. I think the book of Job talks about the Levithan, etc.

As concerning Lucifer roaming the Earth before mankind was ever created that is just one of the many interpretations that some people studying the bible have tried to pull out of the bible.  I really do not believe that interpretation is correct.  Just like there are many interpretations of the book of revelations.  So have people found other controversial area and created a lot of interpretations.

Now going back to the dinosaurs that is another interesting question.  If all the fossils they are finding cannot fit in with Adam and Eve's existence and the Levithan talked about in the bible wasn't a dinosaur, then we may have to come up with another theory. However I put no faith in mankind's dating methods, I do not think any of them are accurate beyond 10,000 years.  Theres to much chance in assumptions in the methods used, so they could be wrong.  Which could mean that dinosaurs existed during the time period of adam and eve.

Maybe there was a first creation on the Earth with some kinds of entities created by God, maybe some kind of an experimental creation.  The dinosaurs were part of that experimental creation maybe.  But eventually somewhere down the line something happen, and God for some reason had to put an end to that first creation upon the earth, but when he did so he left many of the fossils behind of these great animals.

As others have mentioned on this site concerning some of the problems of the world.  I beleive the experiment idea is correct.  Maybe all of the creations by God are experiments with the possibilities that certain things can go wrong.  Anytime you do something that you have never done before it is an experiment, and you are experimenting.  There is a good chance that the experiment may not come out perfect, may have some flaws to it, or may have some things in it that need to eventually be fixed over time.  The creation of our world and cosmos was an experiment.  And I believe everyone is learning in this experiment, trying to find a way to improve things and make things better.  Everyone is learning, from God, to the Holy Angels, to the humans upon the earth.  Were all trying to see what things have gone wrong in the experiment, and what part we can do in trying to heal or fix the things that have gone wrong.

Eventually we all will come to a better understanding of things

Moses

You are posing some questions that I'm trying to find answers to on the topic called "the problem of pain, suffering, and evil".

First off there is no doubt about it, this is a dangerous world sometimes, and a lot of bad and harmful things happen to people a lot of times.

The next question I ask myself is that if I had two options with the first one being never having the right come into existence at all, and the second one being having the right to come into existence, but I would have to come into existence in the type of world that I am in now.  With those 2 options, I still would have chosen the option of coming into existence in the type of world that I am in now. If I had chose the first option we wouldn't be able to have all these different discussions on the forum.

On the site that I authored, I gave the reason on why I believe there is pain suffering and evil. I believe God is not at fault, He cannot go against his nature, that is if he wants to protect us from an even worse situation.

I do not believe the big bang theory or evolution is correct, because the big bang theory or evolution is not capable of creating spiritual beings or the spiritual realms.  So we know that before anything there was spirit, whether that Spirit was God, or whether it was billions and billions of spiritual beings.

Now concerning Adam and Eve.  Another reason I do not believe in evolution, because their are two many creatures that should be alive right now if evolution was true, but you don't see those creatures.  For example their should be a lot of human like creatures that exist right now here on the earth that are in between apes and men, but those human like creatures don't exist, do they.

Now we know somewhere down the line if evolution is not true, that originally God created just one pair of humans, or he may have created like 10 to 20 pairs of humans to begin with making up the different races.  These 10 to 20 pairs could have been what the Bible referred to as Adam and Eve, even though the Bible only traces the story of one of the pair in particular.  And Again it's still possible God only created just one pair to begin with.

I feel before Adam and Eve sinned, that an Angelic battle of some sort took place in the heavenlies in the spiritual realm.  I believe a group of Angels got the big-head and thought they could take over these other loving and enjoyable Angels up in the heavens.  A war broke out and these corrupted Angels soon found out that these loving Angels could not only fight as well as they could but even better, because they generated their fighting power from love.  Well during the heat of the battle, the fallen angels defenses were down in the spiritual realm closest to the Earth's and the location of the man and woman, Adam and Eve.  The fallen angels out of anger towards God and the good angels, immediately tried to attack the man and women and get them to do something counter to God and the good angels.  Somehow the first man and woman sinned against God, and it changed the course of history for all of us.  If they had never did whatever they did that was so counter to God and the good angels, we might still be living in paradise.  however, since God loved mankind so much, and because they were not the ones who started the fight up in heaven and they had just been decieved by the fallen angels, God began preparing a plan to redeem all of mankind back to him.  Hence this man named Jesus, claimed to be God in the flesh.  They stripped off all of his clothes, and almost beat him to death, and then put nails through his body and hung him on a cross until he died.  Because I know that this really happen I always give God the benefit of the doubt.  Who would go through that for other humans if he did not really love them.  I've seen some real easy ways to prove one's love such as buying someone flowers, or going and taking care of something for someone.  But I think he has surpassed all and everyone in proving his love for humans.  There are just some things we don't understand yet about why pain, suffering, and evil exist.  But God is not at fault, there are some other factors out there that are coming into play.

I do agree with you that when Adam and Eve sinned, maybe the earth and certain rights to it passed into Satan's hands.  And that Satan is the cause of many of the calamities upon the Earth.

However, I feel that even though through some laws of the universe that we don't understand that Satan has some kind of legal rights to the earth right now.  I feel that the over all ownership still resides in God's hands and the Holy Angels hands.  But I believe that the rights that mankind let slip into Satans hands, has led to a bloody battle in certain parts of the spiritual realms that we are not aware of, and maybe could not even see when people astral project.

There is another thing that I truly believe in life, and that is, "The Fear of God is the beginning of Wisdom".  First off I believe God is an all loving God for the reasons mentioned above, and that is why I always give him the benefit of the doubt. But I'm going to tell you that even if God wasn't all loving, even if God was not a very good God, I'm still not going to saying something that is not very smart to say to a God.  If by chance he wasn't a good as God as we thought or say even a mean God.  If you were to say such a thing to that type of a God, you are not being very smart.  He could do things to you as a God that you couldn't even imagine.  The best thing to do not matter what kind of a God a God is, would be to mind your own business and always talk respectful to him.  "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom".

But having said all of this, I believe we are fortunate because we have an all loving God, who loves us and would never want to violate our free wills, and who created us because of the overpouring of love within himself, and wanting to share life and love with others.  This God also proved his love on the cross.  The advantages of having a good God is that you can ask him questions, and talk to him, and he will listen.  You can search for answers that you always dreamed about, or ask him why presently certain things are happening the way that they are, and whether he answers you directly, he might lead you to certain answers, people, or theories.  But the bottom line is he has proved his love, and we should always give him the benefit of the doubt, and when we talk to him we should always talk to him respectfully.  However, he knows sometimes we get angry and upset at certain things, and he bears with us, even if we may try to vent our feelings sometimes when we talk to him.  But however we may feel or talk to him we need to realize that he has proved his love, and always try to talk to him as respectfully as possible.

And Moses, if all else fails

Just remember what God said to Moses when Moses ask God what to tell his people.  God's Reply was, "Tell them that "I am" that "I am" has sent you."

Don't ask me how it did what it is doing up above, because I have no idea.  All I can say is just follow it one line at at time, as it apparently seems to repeat after it reaches the end of the sentences.

Hi everyone

Your posts and replies are interesting.

The problem that I wrestle with, and that probably most every other human being wrestles with is if God is all loving and is good, then why is their pain and suffering.  And why does he allow evil entities to exist out there causing harm to other people.  Also why does he allow all the problems that presently exist such as people that have passed away and don't know how to find their way to the light, etc.  Why doesn't he instantly fix those types of problems if he is all loving and all good.

I have wrestled with these questions and researched the issue for many years.  I have finally came up with the answer listed above on my very first post made in this topic.  However, there could be another answer besides that one, and usually discussions lend to new ideas, or new theories, and new possibilities.  Even if the discussion may involve people that don't believe that God exists.  Their answers can still she some interesting and different perspectives on the problem of pain, suffering, and evil.

I hope others will give their input on this issue and on any other related issues to it.