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i was just wondering if any one can project the way that bruce moen describes in his book. its just that he doesnt really give a how-to chapter as most other books do, so if any one does have a method of projecting his way useing intent instead of the traditional way could they please post. []

okay heres what happened i was useing free flow focus 10 ( it gets me into a good state to attempt projection) any way after 5-10 minutes i thourght i was deeper enough. next i started the rope tech and found suddenly a fuzzy feeling was right on my cheeek bone it was fairly strong. the more i climbed the rope the (tighter) it felt it was getting. this bits hard to explain about it getting tighter thats the only way i can describe it although it wasnt a tightness that was overpowering it just felt likr the buzzing on my cheeks gripped stronger the more i climbed. also i find that my non-physical shoulders go with the rope climbing action ( i think there my non-physical shoulders cause they're deffinately not my physical) i only did this climbing action for about 5 minutes if that i stopped because i was curious about the buzzing in my cheeks.
so my 2 questions

1: what was the buzzing on my cheeks that fellt like it got tighter as i climbed the rope.

2: was it my non-physical shoulders moveing and is it a sign im putting pressure in the projected double.  

please reply as soon as possible thatnks in advance!!!!![]

when i use the rope tech after a minute or two it feels as if my shoulders are rocking (going with the climbing action is this a good sign) i've reached this state numourus times but find i get bored after 5 minutes or so! and try a different tech. i cant believe all the times ive been to that point and maybe if i continued climbing i would have had an OBE (stupid me) i cant belive i never gave it full on atempt but to night i will. so is this non physical shoulder move ment i feel a good thing because its quite stong and very distinct. any replies would be greately appreciated!![^]

i just wanted to know from as many people as possinble how they establish the vibrational state (i know that its not nessacary but i just wanted to know) so please as many people as possible answere!!!!![]

[] Frank when you talked about reaching the stae with void does it feel as if being drawn into it because i get this sensation. how ever i get by deeply relaxing and after about 15 minutes of trying various exit techs i just look into the blackness and it takes on that 3D form as if its all around me then my  stomach starts to flutter and after 10 seconds the fluttering stops and im left in the 3D blackness. if this is the correct situation as you get in to what do i do next beacuase from there on im stuck!!! so please any imput would be greatly appreciated.

hypnogogic imagery: recently i think i hit the hypnogogic state how ever i was not trying to relax and get mind awake body asleep thing going  i was just laying there when a green triangle drifted by my field of vision in the blackness of me closed eyesalso i was very tired when this happened and i wasgoing to take a nap just before this happened. so was this the hypnogoic state and should have i made a projection attemt or was it nothing also i read it should be 3D imagery this was like a flat trianle of red, green and blue differnt ones came each time one went out of my field of vision. thanks in advance!!

just wondering about wave III any one used it? i was wondering because it contains a method of actual seperation thus the heading of one of the cd's (lift out) any way i was wondering if any else has used this wave if so please give your input!!![]

I did Franks brain method and i must say i was extremely impressed by its effectiveness. i used it and found if i rolled my eyes slightly upwards my physical body started going numb. suddenly i was engrossed in the blackness with images appearing then a energy felt as if it was building in my fet it started to pass through my body (not the vibrations as i have felt in previous spontainious obes)they felt like they were growing for about 10 seconds and then just weakend and faded. i think it was because i got too excited but any other info as to why you thourght i failed would be greatly apprciated1[] oh yhear and this tech is definately the best ive come across so far this hole thing only took 5-10 minutes!!!

Nay, what does it mean when if we do get the fluttering feeling, because like i said it hapenns just as i enter the blackness; is it just the body falling into mind awake body asleep or what? i was just curious thats all.[]

thanks frank that helped out alot now i know where to go from that stage and not just sit there in the 3d blackness!!!!!!!![]

i'd really like to hear some replies! any tech that youve found effective please post!!!!!!!!!!![xx(]

sorry!!!! i used Rodant mouses brain tech.
if you dont know it its titled BRAIN METHOD on page 1 of this forum.

hi Going Slow have you read journeys out of the body by Robert A. Monroe he talks in depth about this subject (in fact there is a whole CHAPTER ON IT!!!) but any way he delt with it by telling him self that he would confront it some other time and this put it on the hold for a short time untill he actually came to confront it and was taken to a large pit full of bodys constantly haveing sex and talks of how sickly just the sight of it was. Then  every time he felt the teptation or urge beginning to over whelm him he just thourght of the wriggling mass and it would diminish the sexual desire. But he says it always crops up every now and then and thus to get rid of the sexual desire he thinks of the wriggling mass.
any way next time you find your self confronted with this over whelming sexual desire mentaly state to your self you will deal with it at a more apropriate time.  so tell me if this helps (fingers crossed)[]