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[When I had students, almost the first thing we would discuss is manifestation. I taught that if you can manifest reliably, then you don't need to learn magick. Unfortunately, most people cannot manifest reliably. Actually, most people cannot tell the difference between manifesting, praying, casting spells, and doing ritual magick. It's understandable, because there is some overlap involved, and you are definitely not doing anything like reading a book or working with concrete. But, yes, if you can do it, manifesting/ using the law of attraction IS easier.]

I just like using the law of attraction.It's more simple.If you have enough will and power you can move mountains

When I had students, almost the first thing we would discuss is manifestation. I taught that if you can manifest reliably, then you don't need to learn magick. Unfortunately, most people cannot manifest reliably. Actually, most people cannot tell the difference between manifesting, praying, casting spells, and doing ritual magick. It's understandable, because there is some overlap involved, and you are definitely not doing anything like reading a book or working with concrete. But, yes, if you can do it, manifesting/ using the law of attraction IS easier.

[I wish I knew, or could understand the answer when Source tells me. I've asked for explanations of the answer, and those answers just confuse me too. Sorry.]

Thanks, purple. What are the units involved, though? What quantity, for instance, is focus, or "volitionals"
measured in?

I wish I knew, or could understand the answer when Source tells me. I've asked for explanations of the answer, and those answers just confuse me too. Sorry.

[Okay. For years I'd been told stuff about energy-balls. I've read about them, people have taught me stuff about how to use them magickally, but I just was never able to make them. I got obsessed about it, I did Tarot readings on it, I plagued myself and Source with questions on ways. Then I just gave up. A few days later, I had a dream in which I was shown how to make the Astral spark and use it to make all sorts of Astral structures which could not exactly be physically seen, but which had more reactivity than just imagination-products - - - meaning, I could make them and apply them and could sense them reacting in ways that I had not imagined. While playing around with that, I put one Astral Ball overlapping my third-eye chakra. Somewhat later, when I went to attempt the fountain again, it was a lot easier to imagine all of the parts, steps, and results. So, the next time, I made the Astral Ball and copies, and put them into my chakra-s, and the Fountain was easy! So if you go back and re-read Step 1 of the Fountain, look at how this is different from just using your imagination. There's intent and expectation, there's command and 'acting as if', and somehow, those make a powerful difference. I hope it works for you, or if not, that you find something which does work for you!]

What do you mean about dream-info? In your above steps, you actually visually see and reproduce all the balls and place them, but then you close your eyes and do the rest of the visualizations and the other stuff?

Okay. For years I'd been told stuff about energy-balls. I've read about them, people have taught me stuff about how to use them magickally, but I just was never able to make them. I got obsessed about it, I did Tarot readings on it, I plagued myself and Source with questions on ways. Then I just gave up. A few days later, I had a dream in which I was shown how to make the Astral spark and use it to make all sorts of Astral structures which could not exactly be physically seen, but which had more reactivity than just imagination-products - - - meaning, I could make them and apply them and could sense them reacting in ways that I had not imagined. While playing around with that, I put one Astral Ball overlapping my third-eye chakra. Somewhat later, when I went to attempt the fountain again, it was a lot easier to imagine all of the parts, steps, and results. So, the next time, I made the Astral Ball and copies, and put them into my chakra-s, and the Fountain was easy! So if you go back and re-read Step 1 of the Fountain, look at how this is different from just using your imagination. There's intent and expectation, there's command and 'acting as if', and somehow, those make a powerful difference. I hope it works for you, or if not, that you find something which does work for you!

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How did you highlight the titles? It looks really cool.

Okay, when you reply, you have a bunch of 'coding options' above the box - - - B = bold, I = italic, U = underline, S = strikeout, and then there's a 'G' = glow. When  you use that, you can specify which color surrounds the text that you are designating to 'glow'. Then there's 'D' = shadow, a moving M = marquee M = marquee M = marquee M = marquee M = marquee   M = marquee M = marquee M = marquee M = marquee M = marquee, four collumnar or justifying options, horizontal rule, font size, font face, 'change color'.

I realize that my coding choices are somewhat irritating to some people, but
they could be way moreirritating, and if those coding options are not to be used, why have they been included?

Lighten asked:
Do you have to reach a certain level of spiritual enlightenment in order to use giant purple font? (thats a joke)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!! Well done, sir! I guess not, but you do have to realize the possibilities of coding...

but a serious question,

How long did it take you to master all this that you have written? I realize everyone is different, but how long did it take you personally?

Years. I have been interested almost forever, but the only books I could find either were like journals, not how or why, but what happened, over and over. In my youth I read a book (Star Fire, Ingo Swann) that really, really impressed me and made me want to Astral Project. Later, Ullr taught me most of what I learned up on the Astral. So, when I found the Llewellyn Guide to Astral Projection, I was ecstatic. But I couldn't get their fountain exercise to work for me. So I began asking for dreams that would teach me how to make it work, and I got all the 'Astral Spark', line, disc, ball stuff, and then found that the Astral Balls worked really well to 'wake up' my chakra-s. After that it got going like gang-busters, and I did an amazing amount of Astral work for a few years. I visited 'layers' of the mind of All, the river of time, interacted with concepts as if they were sentient beings, did stuff that 'trippy' doesn't even begin to describe (and that I hesitate to discuss, lest I be considered certifiably crazy, like 'lock-me-away' crazy). Very important, but once I'd done that, Astral Projecting didn't become what I'd thought it would be, it didn't empower me to target psychic abilities in the real world, it was much more like a continual facing of the lessons required to become enlightened, and after a while, that became tiring, I could never tell for sure if these experiences involved anything outside of me, so I couldn't be sure if they were 'real lessons' or spiritual masturbating.

Are you able to project every night or morning using this technique?

I'm able....I'm just not always interested.

I didn't ask for a validation of chakras or whatever. I was just wondering how you came to 'know' they exist. like what kind of personal experiences have you had that made you believe in them?

I was still seeing aura-s when I visited a high school theatre and saw the singing actors 'shoot' energy-balls from their torso-s into the audience as they sang, and I was really interested in what those were. I did a lot of research, but there wasn't much on human energy systems available in the Reno Libraries. I finally found some Tantra-stuff that discussed 'energy-wheels' but was very mysterious and not very informative. Time passed and I got into the history of the Golden Dawn, and ran into much better explanations of the Hindi Elements and Chakra-s, but then they conflated them with various Qabalistic techniques, including the Middle Pillar Rite. A TV-special about Marilyn Monroe came on, and I received heart-chakra shots from her thru the recording, which seemed massively powerful to me. When I got the dream-info about how to make Astral Energy Balls, it suddenly all just fit together.
Sounds like some solid information on energy work, I will give it a try and see what comes of it.

The operator is not " ~ ", but " )~ ", and I don't quite get what it means, but it means something as much more intense than exponential than factorial is more intense than addition.

For the non-math geeks, 'factorial 5' would be 5 * 4 * 3 * 2 * 1; and the result would be '120'. Since multiplication is 'only really fast addition', this could be represented as (5+5+5+5) = 20, (20+20+20) = 60, (60+60) = 120, (120+0) = 120. So I'm sure that )~ can be worked out thru multiple applications of the exponential operator, but I'm not exactly sure how.

That is not good enough, lol.

You can't just write an equation like that- you need to define the terms and operations involved. For instance, what does the (~) indicate? Equations like that have no meaning if the terms are not defined.  I can say
De= {5(wL^4)}/384EI, but if I don't say De-deflection, or w-uniform load, the equation is gibberish.

I am legitimately interested- you should explain what you have written. It is of no value to speak to an Arabic person, and Answer their questions in Russian, unless you are going to translate for them 

tx)~Vtnl*F^2, lim = A-Grp Area A.

Vtnl = 'Volitional', meaning an entity that can focus its will on something. F is 'focus'. ^ is exponential, so ^2 is 'squared'. lim is 'limit'. A = 'acceptance'. The operator is not " ~ ", but " )~ ", and I don't quite get what it means, but it means something as much more intense than exponential than factorial is more intense than addition.

So, the maximum value of Chi in an area is determined by (racial energy throughput times minimum spatial sample) [intensified at a greater value than exponentially](the will of the volitionals involved times their Focus squared) limited by the general Acceptance minus the Acceptance of the group of volitionals in that area.

Got it?
I'm not sure that I do.

Everyone is different. I saw aura-s when I was young (late teens), but evidently what I was seeing was not one of the fifteen+ varieties that everyone else see-s. I went to the library to read books on it, but the stuff I read was nothing like what I was seeing. I didn't see chakra-s, or lite blue outlines, or lines of red and blue.... I saw area-s of irritation (like tiny, moving red spiders on the skin), sneezes developing (little purple dots deep in the head that get larger and come shallower until the person sneezes), pain (short yellow-orange lines within the flesh), concentration (vertical black rings that appear behind the person's head, get larger and travel toward whatever is being focused upon), pregnancy (golden glow), the presence of non-physical entities (tiny blue orbs), resentment (tiny, vertical, reddish rings that travel along the sight-lines of the resenting-being's glare), and healthy plants (green/ blue tinged larger than the plant outlines). Somewhat after beginning to see them, and figuring out that what I was perceiving were NOT classic aura-s, I became able to cause irritations (by imagining the little red spiders coming into existence on the target person's skin, and then they did) and sneezes (by imagining and commanding the purple dot to appear and 'zoom' larger in their sinuses). Not so nice, really. I also became able to touch a person in pain, and know exactly what to manipulate to get the pain to fade away. That was the nice part. I managed to start seeing people afflicted with nerve-diseases as networks of short yellow-orange lines and not flesh or even as people (which was definitely too much useless info), and I scared myself (got verbally attacked by someone and made him sneeze so much and so intensely that he slammed his own face into the floor and there was blood everywhere) and spent many hours telling it to 'turn off'. It did. I retained the 'pain-solving' ability.

Since I was able to 'turn it off', I suspect that anyone can 'turn it on'. The question is, why? What are you going to do with this ability? Is it going to make you a nicer person or a meaner person? If you can convince your subconscious that having this ability will improve your life, a few hours a day [for three weeks in which you imagine yourself in situations where you have this ability, then 'wrap' the vision in pink light, then 'wrap' that in white light, and let it all go] should do the trick. So, first I recommend a bit of time with a list of "yes or no"-answerable questions and a pendulum to have a verifiable conversation with your subconscious.

In perusing the weekly Our Ultimate Reality newsletter, I have noticed some interesting differences in varieties of belief. I have 'tried out' a bunch of these beliefs before, and when I noticed myself becoming a person I didn't like, I stopped the 'try out'. I'm not saying that these beliefs are 'untrue' so much as I am not ready for them, I don't react well to them.

In particular, I have tried out the 'everyone you meet is just a reflection of you' belief before, and I really don't like who I became. I did not become a more loving person, I became a more demanding person, a more selfish person, a less patient person. I think it's important to say this in a way that makes clear that the 'you' involved in that statement is not your conscious mind, is not your mind at all, something like 'you and everyone you can ever meet are all just limited instances or defined models of the One Infinite Being, reflections of a deeper reality.' Shifting the emphasis clarifies the meaning, makes it possible for me to believe this thing and have a positive reaction.

Allegories make it even more possible, and here is one of my favorites:

Each consciousness is like the froth on the surface of the waves of an ocean. Each wave is separate from the others only at the surface; below the surface, these are just movements within the same, one ocean. Even when 'separate', consciousness cannot occur until the movement interacts with something like a 'continental shelf', or the shore of something, and then the movement interacts with the surface to produce a wave that can be shaped in such a way that it can 'look down' on itself, and there is enough 'turbulence' within the wave itself that it can have internal differences, it can begin to consider what it senses, notice the surfaces of the wave that is itself (self-awareness 'separate from the One'), and notice its movement. When the wave reaches shore, it 'ends', but nothing is destroyed, the water is still there. Each wave is made out of the water of the ocean, it's all the same 'thing', but the waves are different, even if made out of the same stuff, caused by similar movements interacting with the same 'continental shelves'. It's important to be able to regard the movements and whatever the 'continental shelf-equivalent' is, without de-valuing the differences between the waves.

Looking closer at the froth, an even deeper allegory is to see a whole bunch of sideways floating 'coins' formed as 'Yin-Yang' symbols, rotating forward. Each time that the 'Yang' rotates up out of the surface of the water, you become consciously aware of a moment of time, and when it rotates down into the surface of the water, the 'Yin' rotates up, and your subconscious applies some control to your existence. When you become aware of this consciousness-cycling, which can become easier when meditating or experiencing some form of Altered Consciousness, it becomes far easier to 'manifest' and experience what you want/ is 'best' for you.

Hi

From my understanding, yeah. Life is like one huge virtual simulator. Not sure if its necessarily a concentration camp, but think about it....what would happen if an intelligent virus took over the World of Warcraft servers?

Ive been aware from many seperate sources that if 3D existence is like a computer game, then the Egyptian god Thoth would be the master programmer. Incidentally, he also runs the Akashic records.

So why dont ya'll astral project to the record hall and say "Hey! Thoth-bird-man-dude! We need to have a talk!" and ask him all this stuff yourself? As the god of communication (among many many other things) I think its safe to say that wont annoy him, lol, and he most certainly would have something interesting to say or do.

Indeed, but be ready to have to make agreements with him to share the knowledge you learn, and be delegated the training of someone who comes to Him that He doesn't have time for. That, in a nutshell, is a lot of what happened to me.

He is the trickster god as well, so it may not be what you expect.

Knowledge is tricky! Pretty much all knowledge gods are trickster gods (Hermes, Coyote, etc).

Hehe, and tell him Corie sent you!

:Love Light and Peace:

Corie

author=Psan link=topic=18156.msg160979#msg160979 date=1113944698]
Pain and pleasure, reward and punishment..... can be very effective methods of training, as we all know. (For the less evolved).

Nah, they work on pretty much everyone! What's most intense about this existence is that the relief from pain is itself an intense pleasure!

I feel that its only natural that we find ourselves in such a system. Perhaps the next level in this game will be driven by a hunger for knowledge, desire to create, curiosity and enjoyment.

This "level" is driven by those for some people (or you wouldn't have the terms to use).

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It can be a training ground to develop your abilities and control your mind by slowing it down to a low vibration. The solid physical dampens the thought = action spiral effectively, giving you a better control.

Exactly.

Having said that, why would anyone build such a horrific training school? And why would one still like to come here after a single experience.

The lessons learned here, the memories of this place are amazingly persistent.

If you really wanted to learn something it could have been at least painless and a little bit pleasent, with an option to painlessly abort the training.

Yeah. Such lessons don't 'stick' at all. They are incredibly forget-able. No-one sticks thru the rough periods in such places. Try out Yahoo chess, and watch how many opponents will quit a losing-game rather than seeing it thru and possibly getting enough negative experience to learn from it. The 'abort' is painless, and doesn't affect their rating, where a loss would definitely do so.

See, you can find metaphysical lessons almost anywhere!

Oh, and most importantly, I dont see a need to destroy all the knowledge of youself before going to a school.

A large part of the 'adventure' is self-re-discovery. Would any of the Survival shows have been nearly as entertaining if everyone had access to all of their things and resources? So life of Earth is like one tremendous 'Survival reality TV show' where the most important resource of each participant, his/her memory of self and abilities, has not been removed but veiled and passworded so that it can't be accessed without a lot of personal work.

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I'm a bit angry here. Why is that everyone we channel insists on being self-help guide instead of providing us with interesting knowledge? Practical knowledge? I don't care about the other planets we're never going to discover in this life time. Where's the cure for AIDs or cancer that would save hundreds of lives? If it's in the Ashkashic, as all recorded knowledge of the past, present, and future is (and the certainty of a future discovery of cures is an inevitable possibility, and not a matter of "if" it is discovered), it should be accessible! So where is this information?

INSERT: I'm getting the intuitive feeling here that they could tell us, but thatwould be cheating. It still doesn't answer why projectionists and channelers couldn't do this.

Your feeling about 'cheating' is correct. They could do this. They can do this. They do do this all the time, but then we stop the game of existence, define what is cheating, remove the actions of cheating, penalize those who cheated, rewind time a bit, and start everything up again (this is often what perceptions of 'missing time' are about). It does no good to an individual to take away his/her chosen challenge, the way s/he wants to learn about matter and mortality. It's like helping a butterfly emerge from its cocoon without struggling. The struggle is necessary to form its wings properly that it might fly. If you help it, its wings don't form right and it cannot ever fly. So, when you look at helping or healing a person, whom are you helping? Cheating to take away a person's challenges is even worse in effect on the growth of those involved. If there are cures for AIDS accessible on the Astral (and there are), the thing to do is to get the person afflicted skilled at Astral Projection, so if it is part of his/her pre-scripted way of learning and being entertained, then s/he can involve it in his/her story.

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How are you gonna effectively map astral when everyone perceives it differently? Even your own perceptions of the same thing (e.g your room) in astral differ from visit to visit. The liquid nature of it defys any such attempts. There are no directions and no time, no laws and no maths holds. Bruce will surely map it, but it will be his own version.

What we need here is different pointers, perhaps of mental nature, which can be unambiguously shared by all.

That already exists, in the form of the Astral Layers. The 'lowest' one and the easiest to get to (automatically once Projecting) is a complete reflection of all of Physical existence. Then, depending on the culture in which the mapper is based, various layers are either numbered or named or both. The last thorough such mapping was done thousands of years ago in India, although a vague-er map was created more recently called the 'Tree of Life' figure of the Qabalah.

Then we can proceed to invent a logic not based on numbers, so that one can follow those pointers using a special astral logic and arrive at some destination without having any previous experience of that astral location. This is of course my guess only.

Sounds like you're ready to dive deeply into the Qabalah.

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So, whats the equation for computing the intensity of chi-energy?

I'd tell you, but you wouldn't understand half of the terms.

Oh, heck, why not!

tx)~Vtnl*F^2, lim = A-Grp Area A.


How would you calculate the coordinates of your astral location?

By the time you began, you would have moved, since on the Astral you instantly go wherever you are thinking about. Think about the Rocketeer movie, where the rocket-pack--wearer would turn toward whatever he was looking at.

How many times higher is the frequency of buddic plane from that of astral?

Error. Is like asking how much more the volume of space on the surface of Luna is compared to all of space. The space on Luna is a subset of all space. The Buddhic plane is one of an almost infinite number of Astral Layers. It might be important, when asking these questions, to research and know a little bit of what you are talking about before you try.

I wouldn't be surprised if you find these questions stupid and are laughing on me. But hopefully I conveyed the point that only physical plane yields to mathematical analysis.

Okay. When has anyone said anything that opposes that?

And perhaps we dont need spirits to tell us that, we are spirits ourselves who are in the best position to see that.

What we do expect (is) that if a higher spirit on a higher plane has learnt any such laws about their own planes, which can help us here to progress spiritually, should have communicated them by some kind of systematic means.

Why? Do college students who aren't majoring in education visit kindergarden and systematically communicate anything to the kids? If they did, what would the kids retain and use? It's not about worth, it is about our ability to be open to the info, and then to process the info, to integrate it into our lives.

But obviously that has not happened, and we are wondering the whys and hows of that in this thread.

Not just that, but the way you have presented yourselves, you seemly aggressively and smugly closed-minded, so even if there were such communications for you, you will not acknowledge or use them.

Its a different matter altogether that you chose to support the "claims" of someone you know for whatever reasons.

Well I dont know what CaCoDeMoN is asking here, but I feel he is just saying that her claims are just her opinions and personal experiences, not based on scientific experiments.

Again, science is not the only way to do things or discover things. Since these areas are affected by the quality of the thoughts of the explorers, the scientific way automatically makes certain experiences impossible. You seem to be trying to say that the only useful information anyone ever gets is discovered or communicated by way of science only. If you'd said that from the start, I'd have ignored you completely.

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Thats right. There are none.

Physicists are far away from spiritual activities,

Depends on the Physicist. Quantum Physics is approaching reflection of quite a few mystical/ metaphysical theories from the past.

so there's no chance that they would communicate with spirits for proposing theories.

If you want to deal with matter, investigate matter, become a hero of matter, you incarnate into a material body. Why would discarnate spirits be interested in the whole hypothesis, test, theory sequence concerning matter?

And as we all know very few theories survive the test of time, so anything if it was communicated 100 years back to physicists is wrong !

Truly? So sure are you? What if the information given was just not recognized or applied correctly, or was given to those, like you, not ready to hear? Ever heard of broadcast power? Free electricity? Radical idea, but JP Morgan seemed to have major problems with it.

Sorry, delay caused me to double-post.

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Technology? Show me at least one channeling that has any technological value.

Ever heard of Nicolai Tesla? If you've read his original notes it is evident that he often communicated and worked out details of his devices with entities that were not physically there.


Also math has nearly nothing to do with nature.

What? Do you really think that Fractal Geometry would be anything more than just a bunch of nice-looking Julia-sets unless there were all kinds of confirmations of its usefulness in Nature?
The leaves on trees tend to grow in orders of geometrical progression, and throughout nature, anyone who looks can see applications of the the square-cube law.

In nature nearly everything is partially random, and in math nothing is random.

Oh right! There's no math having to do with perceived 'rules' of chaos or anything!

There's also no proof of connection of energy body to fibronacci sequence, and if there is, show it to me.

Show me any 'proofs' of things involving the energy body! The only one I've ever run across is that when the probe of a galvanometer is run across a person's skin and it goes across an acupuncture point, the needle in the gauge moves suddenly and intensely. This proves that some kind of energy difference involving electrical potential is exactly at the spots mapped thousands of years ago in China. It doesn't prove anything more than that. A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still (Ben Franklin, I think). Because of that, it isn't proofs or facts that matter in regards to spiritual matters, magick, dealing with the energy body, or anything like these, it is experience! You can't have an experience that your mind is closed to the possibility of.

Physics was also researched without help of any spiritual entities, if it isn't so then show me the proof.

I don't know the exact quote, but the guy who discovered the benzine molecule first saw its shape in a dream.

I think that best motivation comes from within, and spirits are not needed at all for humans to create something beautiful. Courage and compassion are taught by parents/life, not spirits.
Also show me a definite proof of "spirits preventing tragedies and causualties". Of course I am not talking about things like one prevented death, but something bigger. Spirits don't prevent things like in Iraq and Sudan.

And would we want them to interfere in how we work out our free-willed destinies if they did? There are records of such interventions, but only when most of the population involved has an open-to-spirit outlook before the intervention begins - - - see the various miracles of Our Lady of Guadalupe, not to mention the entire life of Joan of Arc.

It's not true. I think that Angels are just too proud to communicte with people, they consider human race unworthy.

It's not that. When an Angel learns something s-he knows it forever, s-he can't un-learn it and adjust to swiftly changing events. Angels do communicate with humans but so rarely that the events involved are catastrophic, and then rarely recorded. The vast majority of Angels learned how humans were when they first interacted with us, thousands and tens of thousands of years ago. Having that idea of who we are, why would they be interested in communicating with us at all? Understand that when you communicate with a Devil, while you are interacting, it automatically activates and inspires all the baser parts of your nature,, and thus when you communicate with an Angel, not only does it activate and inspire all the higher parts of your nature, but you activate and inspire all the baser parts of its nature. Why would anyone want to go thru that experience? The motivation has to be truly intense to get over the negatives of the experience itself. It's not about worthiness, it's about how things are. Imagine that a homeless person who hasn't bathed in years, continually picks his nose and butt, and has Tourette's Syndrome has the ability to summon you whenever he wants, trying to beg or steal the good things you have. Are you going to want to interact with him much? Regardless of his innate worth as a living being, are you going to enjoy interacting with him?

If it isn't so, why then communicating with demons is extremely easy,

There are several reasons why communicating with either Devils or Demons is easy, and the primary one is that our intense emotional reactions are like luxury-food to them. Imagine being summoned by someone who always looks more beautiful than you, who has a better attitude to everything than you, and who radiates chocolate and fine liquers. Aren't you going to go out of your way to make it easy for such a being to summon you? Then there's how reactive we are. Humans are easily scared, and fear is almost exactly to Demons what chocolate is to most women. Tasty and intoxicating. Another reason is that, because of how automatically they activate and inspire our own baser natures, when a Mage can heal a Demon or a Devil, his own baser nature is healed very intensely, and he goes thru intense personal evolution. Angels don't need to be healed, and neither do our own higher-natures. Of course, it is quite rare that a Mage even tries to summon a Demon or Devil in order to help it, or can follow thru when that is the intent.

much easier than communicating with dead relatives?

What techniques have you tried? When have you tried them? Do you understand that the very techniques by which Devils and Demons are summoned can be used for any spirit? Or are you just talking out of your hat?
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Indeed! Personally I wil be convinced when a spirit is able to lucidly and fully communication the working principles of the zero-point field or resonant healing. Either would be acceptable!!!!! And either would have the effect of massively reducing human suffering....I'm not holding me breath though

Imagine not being a college student, not being in any kind of relationship with the guy at all, and going up to a professor of Quantum Physics and saying anything like : "I will be convinced when I hear a lucid and jargon-free communication of Quantum Physics...but I'm not holding my breath." Do you think the result would be anything positive? Even if he was in a good mood, what indication does he have that you will be open to his explanation should he try to give it? Then if he gives it, it isn't going to be jargon-free...so it might not be as lucid as you seem to want. Why should you expect that someone who doesn't live in anything like our reality is not going to have completely different ideas that might be difficult to translate clearly? Why should the spirit have to do all the work in presenting the message in such a clear and your-world-view-way that you will accept it. Can you not see that making such requirements is a barrier to receiving that communication that you are putting up purposefully?

redcatherine,
Was that a poem?  
I think you misunderstood the problem that I'm addressing. I did not deny the possibility of spirit communication. The warnings, prediction of accidents, inspirations and art/romance etc are good enough signs of spirit communication.
We also have very direct communications which prove their existence.

Its also true that its very hard to communicate with higher beings, given our limitations and their limitations. But whenever such communications are realized, we get no new knowledge out of them which humanity can use for its evolution.

The unscientific and 'just for my own problems' approach is so unfortunate.

And if we did get "new knowledge which we  could use for our evolution", would we recognize it, would we use it, would we value it? So many people have problems with ideas like predestination, how do you know that a spirit who shares knowledge that helps you evolve is going to have your own ideals of where you want to grow toward at heart? So then your choice is to use the info or not, without knowing the result until you do. Meanwhile, all sorts of personal and group evolution techniques are out there, having become rife and popular since the 1900-s, but they take work, dedication, and an attitude where you don't mind if 'normal' people think you are crazy to apply and get results out of. Where do you think that all these techniques came from? I mean, few were dictated directly from the Spirit Realms, but most were inspired, then tried out and refined, by such people as Mathers, Crowley, Dionne Fortune, William Butler Yeats, Ernest Holmes, Jose Silva, Eric Bandler, the list goes on and on.

I think that there are two types of people who want to receive that kind of information from spirits:  People who want to increase their personal wisdom and power, and people who want to convey it to the world, i.e. the ones who go on about huge fleets of alien spaceships hurtling towards Earth to arrive in 20 years or some such.

It makes me think that the majority of such communications are false, from trickster spirits having a joke on us and manipulating our hopes and beliefs.  I also believe that for people who are ready to receive such information, spirits or angels or whatever sometimes reveal truths of a more or less profound nature, which if the person so chooses, they can reveal to those they also believe to be ready.  But a website full of crazy-sounding prophesies or truths, to me, is probably junk.

What is interesting is th holographic, synergistic nature of communication. For those ready to hear, listen, and learn, even the communications intended to convey the least sense possible can be an inspiration to discover the truths of whatever the hearer is focused on. Intense mystical truths can be found in the animated Pink Panther series. I know the writers did not intend them to be there, but to the open mind EVERYTHING is a clue, and those who are communicating cannot help but be used by spirits deep within all to get certain things across to those who are ready.
Those who aren't ready could receive the specifications necessary to create a Pentium 4 computer in 1976, and not be able to make heads or tails out of this amazingly useful data.

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I get useful communications from spirits and deities ALL the time!
I think the first 'reason' you should have listed is: "You were not ready to listen, hear, or learn.", But, I guess, if you had known that, you would have been. Also, what constitutes 'useful', as far as you are concerned? I mean, imagine having access to the internet, but there are no search engines? There's an amazing amount of incredibly useful information available, but no way for you to find it, or find the kind of information that would be most useful to you at this time. From your posting, I feel that it is unlikely that you know the first thing of any interacting-with-spirits techniques or magickal techniques. These are the equivalent of having a computer with an operating system in your language and the beginnings of the knowledge of URLs so that, given enough time, intelligence, and focus, you can 'patch together' your own "search engine". And then there's the phenomenon that there are a large number of magickal systems out there, and only a few (but no-one knows which until you try them and find out) are going to 'fit' you, work well for you, return any 'useful' results for you. A major barrier to learning any such techniques, or fully trying any such systems is a lack of readiness to listen, hear, or learn. You have to become open to the possibilities to experience any of them.

I fully hope that you realize the value of what I am trying to say, that from it you get a clue, and open to hearing, to learning, and that you find the way that works best for you!!!
Biggest Brightest Blessings!!!

It sounds like the Chakra between your feet that you use for 'rooting' (accessing Earth-flavored Astral Energy) is getting massively out of balance with the Chakra in your groin, and this difference of energy-states is presenting as a temperature imbalance. That's a long-winded way of saying that the technique you are using isn't working, so you should research and try some different ones until you find one that does work for you.

Magnificent allegory and investigation into non-denominational uses of thought-forms, manifesting techniques, and ultimate questions (why are we here?, etc). When read aloud by at least two performers it can have an intense effect not only on the awarenesses of the audience but on the lives of everyone involved.

I can't praise this book enough. It presents so many metaphysical experiences in such an easily understandable and workable fashion, including: channeling, past life cycles, past life involvements, divination, psychic ability, developing psychic ability, Spirits, shamanism, after-death events, dealing with ghosts, the use of special/ spiritual places in the world, Astral Projection, focused inspiration, reality management... It came out way before the movie "The Matrix", and the story is completely different. There is some obligatory good versus evil to make story drama, but it works well and is entertaining.