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Tonight I was contacted, out of the blue, by a member who had found my MSN Messenger address Mayatnik@hotmail.com and I started to talk to him, a new member since September with just 3 posts and I had not heard of him before.  I had no idea how the conversation was going to develop – it was simply, as he asked, to answer some questions... but then, as it proceeded and I was talking to my guide throughout (as I always do when counseling especially), my guide told me he was 'ready' for contact with a guide.  I didn't tell him this at first, and just continued to talk about topics that my guide wanted him to discuss, and then....... Well, as you will see, he came through the barrier – that conditioning/doubt barrier – and took his first steps, suddenly, in channeling from a 'cold start' into a full conversation.   How it came about, I let you see for yourself, because there are things in this that show many aspects.  Edi has seen the transcript (and I thank him for applying the 'colours' that would otherwise take me a long time to put in) and Edi has said he will write comments regarding the session in a post following this.

So, now, here is that transcript – complete, as it actually happened – from the session that turned out when Nidhananda (using the name Mach One here on Messenger) contacted me for a conversation.......

Mach One says:
hi
MAYA - back now says:
Hello.  Guten Abend
Mach One says:
i just found your MSN contact on astralpulse and i wanted to ask a question
MAYA - back now says:
Yes, sure.
Mach One says:
cool... does everyone have a zeta/pleiadian guide?
MAYA - back now says:
The simple answer is.........basically, yes.
Mach One says:
are they all contactable through channeling/telepathy?
MAYA - back now says:
The 'guides' look after people, and in areas of 'personal development' each monitors the life-plan of that person - so, in that way, each is contactable ....... but to obtain the 'contact' in a realistic manner it is necessary to be 'ready' (i.e. open and receptive) and the guides decide that, as always.
Mach One says:
are there any signs when you are receptive enough for contact?
MAYA - back now says:
Well yes.... the first one is that you feel 'impulsed' to ask - which is what you have done here.
Mach One says:
yeah
Mach One says:
what else?
MAYA - back now says:
Well, consider........... even a person who goes to a so-called 'clairvoyant' or gypsy will be 'told things', and these will concern that person's life.... how that person then reacts - moves on, in their thinking - gives further signs.... and also prepares the person (which the guides monitor and introduce experiences for).  So, experiences that you have had are very good indicators.
Mach One says:
what kind of experiences? dreams/visions and stuff like that, you mean?
MAYA - back now says:
Yes.  But also what you do and think as a result.
MAYA - back now says:
For example, if you see an 'alien' vision.... then this will reflect your perception/misperception of 'aliens'..... and by having that 'experience' you are being introduced to further things to think about and acclimatize to along the road.
Mach One says:
so if I haven't had any visions or dreams of aliens or anything of the like i'm probably not ready for contact?
MAYA - back now says:
Doesn't mean anything like that.  Some dream, some don't.  Some never feel the 'need' to read about such things as Astral Projection, and then suddenly find they are doing it.  It is more about how you 'feel' right now.  The fact that you are asking.  And I 'm not trying to lead you here, which is why I'm not saying much and just listening to what you input here so that we can get a 'direction'
MAYA - back now says:
It is important to realize that 'spirituality' is NOT about doing this and that ........it is about common sense and intuition, as James S has pointed out - as well as myself - repeatedly.
MAYA - back now says:
I can talk about any subject you are really interested in, and we can see where it leads.
Mach One says:
ok... well brb in a sec
MAYA - back now says:
Ok
Mach One says:
Alright... so you are in almost constant contact with your guide right?
MAYA - back now says:
Yes
Mach One says:
Are the Zetas/Pleidians able to create telepathic links between each other instantly or anything For instance, could your guide contact my guide right now?
MAYA - back now says:
They do that as a matter of course, in the same way as we talk to each other by establishing a link via Messenger.
Mach One says:
Ok. Is being receptive enough all that is necessary for contact, or is there further training required?
MAYA - back now says:
To be like Fuzziwig or Edi, you mean?  I trained them.  And part of that training is to overcome any conditioning (prior to the actual 'telepathy training') - and then there is the simple 'confidence' factor, to have a conversation with the guide.
Mach One says:
Can you train anyone or do you(or your guide, or the guide of the trainee) restrict yourself?
MAYA - back now says:
I am an 'interface' during the training - which means I am in contact with my guide and your guide at the same time throughout.  They, of course, decide on the course the training will take and it is like I have an 'earpiece' in as it proceeds.  Also, I check that the person is receiving correctly at all times.
Mach One says:
So the guide decides if they are to be contacted or not
MAYA - back now says:
This is what is called 'assigning' a guide.  My guide contacts the person's guide and decides if a personal-guide (as opposed to a 'monitor' guide, which is very often the case) can be assigned.
MAYA - back now says:
The guide a person has is not always the same every day, it is done on a shift-system from a pool of guides usually - though sometimes a particular guide will be with a person for an extended period.
MAYA - back now says:
View a guide, generally, as a 'watcher' ('monitor' as they are actually called) who sets the 'markers' for your experiences.  You will often not be even aware of a guide, yet there is always one 'watching' to ensure you have your life-experiences on cue.
MAYA - back now says:
When you obtain a telepathic contact for CHANNELING the guide assigned is NOT for the person specifically but to enable the person to help others, and that is important to realise - it is a dedication.
Mach One says:
Yeah   I see that. I wouldn't imagine the guides would offer their help for purely selfish reasons.
MAYA - back now says:
Well, they do help all the time for 'individual' reasons needed by the person for their development.  And, for example, I could answer some of your searching questions through my guide (in place of you talking to yours, when you do not have a direct-connection).  I was merely emphasizing the dedication that Fuzziwig has to helping others, and the degree to which he can therefore talk to ALL guides
MAYA - back now says:
for that purpose
Mach One says:
Oh I see
MAYA - back now says:
It is very much like working in an office (in fact, my guide refers to where she is as 'the office') and so workers talk to others in the 'office' concerning 'cases'.
MAYA - back now says:
If you look at it in that way, then you can see that certain things about an individual may be known to a guide, partly known to a channeler, and depending on what the guide decides can be told or not told to the individual who is asking the question via the medium of such as myself.
Mach One says:
Has your guide told you anything about me?
MAYA - back now says:
No, except that you are receptive and that I can help you by talking about things that will aid you towards being 'ready'.
Mach One says:
Ok.
Mach One says:
What things do I need to do or keep in mind to progress toward readiness?
MAYA - back now says:
The first thing - most important - is to not try too hard..... and you really do try very hard.  It is actually much easier than you think.
Mach One says:
I do personally?
Mach One says:
I haven't really tried cuz I don't know what I'm doing lol
MAYA - back now says:
I know.  But you are searching.
Mach One says:
Yeah thats true
Mach One says:
I read somewhere to just ask questions and write what comes in your mind but that didn't really work
MAYA - back now says:
It doe4s work actually.  You're doing it now, here.  And this is the best way forward.  This is what Fuzziwig had to do prior to his training.  It opens many doors for you.
MAYA - back now says:
All that is happening here, I am assisting you with by interacting with you......on a 'human' level.  So, you don't have to immediately feel you are talking to thin air, and that clears some problems to do with conditioning until we get down to tackling them by talking.
Mach One says:
Ok... what kind of conditioning do I need to break down?
MAYA - back now says:
That is what comes up when we talk.  How do you feel about 'aliens' for example?  How would you relate those to 'angels' in conventional thinking?
Mach One says:
I don't know anything about aliens really. I'm not stupid enough to trust what Hollywood and movies portrays them as, other than the fact that they are not native inhabitants of Earth.
Mach One says:
I mean, I know what they are "supposed" to be, but I wouldn't say I have enough substantial information about them to have a general feeling about them.
MAYA - back now says:
Well, I do have substantial information.  But it would be stupid to just tell you a plethora of things, since there is so much that is unfamiliar (and very much unlike the media 'hype' anyway).  So, let's consider the basics simply - so as not to end up going down countless rabbit-holes.........
MAYA - back now says:
The farmer who crosses his field every day doesn't fall down pot-holes, but the 'city boy' will fall down many if the 'foundation' is not firmly laid........so we proceed from that basis........
MAYA - back now says:
Take the established notion that everyone has a 'guardian angel' ........now this is a 'belief' yet also a firm 'feeling' with most, however nebulous....... so, there is truth in it from a common sense and intuitive point of view.....and common sense and intuition is how we go forward in 'spirituality'.
MAYA - back now says:
Link that to what I said about a 'monitor' guide......and there is still that common sense element.... in other words, you are crossing the filed carefully and avoiding the 'conditioning' pot-holes regarding 'negs' etc etc.
MAYA - back now says:
To have a guide you can talk to, implies trust of that guide......... and trust comes, as always, with interaction and conversation on a human level.  We 'get to know' people (or aliens) in that way --- and sense their personality along the way which builds it it.
MAYA - back now says:
Actually, much of the good sci-fi is based on fact (however unbeknown to the scriptwriters, who just found the 'ideas' popping into their head from 'thin air'  ) .....and those, such as Startrek, were to prepare people IN  GENERAL  to understand a new dimension, aliens.  Sometimes 'fear' was depicted as the setting, so as to get people to examine their own fears and overcome them.
MAYA - back now says:
When a child is gradually introduced to the dark in a sensible way, then the 'ignorance' fear subsides.... and that's how it is.
MAYA - back now says:
The whole question of 'dark' and 'light' is an essential part of evolution.  We must know the polarities, and even experience them, to understand.
MAYA - back now says:
Does any of this spark things in your perceptions/conditionings ?
Mach One says:
Conditions/perceptions in relation to aliens?
MAYA - back now says:
in relation to how you think in general, about anything........even about your childhood memories (which are often very important)
MAYA - back now says:
You see, the first thing about channeling a guide is to be able to ask questions about what you don't know about.... and that means going beyond the familiar 'track' you are used to.
Mach One says:
Yeah I was meaning to ask you about that actually
MAYA - back now says:
Good.  I'm simply putting things here that will prompt you to think and ask.
Mach One says:
If you were to ask something you knew nothing about, like quantum physics or something, you could still get an answer even though none of it would probably still make sense?
MAYA - back now says:
That is true.
Mach One says:
There's still that doubt that the answers I hear are just my own - but if they were in response to something I knew nothing about, and made sense to someone that knew what it was all about, then that would clear that doubt.
MAYA - back now says:
You would be able to get a good answer that you could relate to if you understood the question in the first place (in other words, by spouting 'jargon' that is scientific and unfamiliar and not understood, then the answer will not be understood either in scientific terms)
MAYA - back now says:
'doubt' is the factor that you remove by YOU asking more and more, not by 'verifying' with an expert........because, if the answer did not accord with the expert's 'view' then he would say it was wrong, although it would be right.  If you follow?
MAYA - back now says:
It comes down to common sense and intuition by YOU....... the other person ('expert') is not the one doing, or even capable of, telepathy.
Mach One says:
Yeah I follow.
MAYA - back now says:
If you are studying quantum physics, then it is something you can ask about......... but you may forget to ask about genetically modified vegetables....... so it is all 'particular'.  And channeling gives answers to what you really need to know, not just a 'database' of educational-excellence (which may be entirely flawed, as some of science is)
MAYA - back now says:
ALL that I know is what my guide has told me.  I am registered blind, so do not have the ability to study like sighted people.... yet, I have literally asked millions of questions, asking and asking until it all made sense.....common sense........to me..... by using my intuition to ask further.
Mach One says:
So essentially your channeling is your studying
MAYA - back now says:
Yes, it has been an exciting journey in that.
Mach One says:
I can imagine
MAYA - back now says:
I started in 1995 and for years I asked and asked....... long before I started channeling to the public.  Not all of what is told to me am I permitted to pass on, and of what I do it is decided by the guides how best to present it to a particular audience......... often introducing elements gradually to give a good 'foundation' for further understanding after they have thought about it.
MAYA - back now says:
- so, in that way it becomes Teaching.
MAYA - back now says:
The teaching is not in the information, but in how the conditioning is broken down for the understanding of it.
Mach One says:
How much conditioning do I have left to be broken down? lol
MAYA - back now says:
Not a lot.  The main problem you have at the moment is slowness of response to what I am typing (quicker response means more 'intuitive' rather than 'considered' thinking).
MAYA - back now says:
While we are talking, I am talking to my guide at the same time......... and so what I write is what she wants me to say for what you NEED to know at this time.  And certain things I am not writing because it is not time for that yet.
MAYA - back now says:
I am doing, therefore, what I call 'indirect' channeling .........rather than 'word for word ('direct').
Mach One says:
Ok
Mach One says:
I had a feeling that was going on
MAYA - back now says:
I tell you this, because then you understand how we are working here with the guides already.
Mach One says:
You mean how you are working with the guides. I'm not doing anything with them, at least consciously.
MAYA - back now says:
Not consciously, no.  But you are in a way.  The guide with you at present is trying to interact with you, to cause stimulus of 'ideas' to help the process of this conversation flow toweards eventual direct contact.
Mach One says:
I want it to happen, but at the same time I don't want to try and rush into something if I'm not ready for it
MAYA - back now says:
That is why it is important to respond quickly, with the first thing that 'comes' into your head.  Already this a pre-training.
Mach One says:
Yeah I'm starting to do that more
MAYA - back now says:
You are indeed.
Mach One says:
After you told me about my slowness
MAYA - back now says:
You say that you have tried writing what comes into your head?
Mach One says:
Yes
MAYA - back now says:
This is the same.  Except that I am here to help the process, and to verify it also.
MAYA - back now says:
This conversation 'track' is being steered by the guides.
Mach One says:
How do you help? I understand how you verify because I've seen a chat log with silent john
MAYA - back now says:
If you think about it instead of just being intuitive....then it is like riding a bike.......you just 'do it', and thinking about it causes you to fall off.
Mach One says:
But do you strengthen the telepathic link or something of the sort?
MAYA - back now says:
No.  The guide actually strengthens the telepathic link by 'tweaking' your electromagnetic field.  I help it by focussing your mind on the topic, and of course your response can then be more and more intuitively-receptive
MAYA - back now says:
It's very much like listening to a radio that is slightly off-station.......so it needs to be 'tweaked' in to tune it to good reception.
MAYA - back now says:
Another way of looking at it, is psychic-muscle training..... but of course there is no actual effort involved (and in fact, by putting 'effort - such as 'methods' etc - into it is unhelpful since it reinforces the 'rational' brain activity)
Mach One says:
So if there is no actual effort involved how long until we can get to direct contact?
MAYA - back now says:
When it comes, it is instant.  And you are getting ready for that now, I am told.
Mach One says:
Great
Mach One says:
How will it happen? I will just start hearing thoughts?
MAYA - back now says:
I will help you in that.
Mach One says:
Oh ok
MAYA - back now says:
As I said, you are being prepared now to receive as you reply.........thoughts that 'pop' into your head because you stop using the 'rational' brain and just allow input from the guide.
Mach One says:
So some of my questions aren't really my own then?
MAYA - back now says:
You can sense a thought 'popping' in.....and think, "Where did that come from?" .....and if you discard it then you miss an opportunity to explore that sudden 'idea' that came to you ......that was GIVEN to you.  That is the start of telepathy.
Mach One says:
Or at least the thoughts that prompt the questions
MAYA - back now says:
I do it now just like riding a bike.  Every second of the day, and anywhere at all.
MAYA - back now says:
Ask your guide, instead of me now, this question (and write down what comes to you immediately):-
"What will I be able to do when I can talk to you in ordinary 'conversation' ?"
Mach One says:
Aloud or in my head?
MAYA - back now says:
However it comes into your head, then write it down here.
MAYA - back now says:
(sometimes it helps if a person speaks aloud what comes into their head)
Mach One says:
I mean do I ask in my head or out loud?
MAYA - back now says:
Either way (if you are alone then it doesn't matter)
MAYA - back now says:
Whichever way you feel is comfortable.
Mach One says:
=\  Nothing is coming to me
MAYA - back now says:
That's ok.  Why do you think that is?
Mach One says:
Well, I don't think that what came to me was my guide, I think it was me  lol
MAYA - back now says:
Ok.  So what 'came' to you then?
Mach One says:
I got 'you will be able to converse with me like any other person'
MAYA - back now says:
K: That is exactly right.  Why do you then think you talk to yourself?
Mach One says:
I don't know. The response came too quick and easy.
MAYA - back now says:
Exactly.  That's how it always is........quickly and easily.
MAYA - back now says:
It's not sensible to think you talk to yourself.  Your brain will not answer you, it would be stupid since answers come from other people (wherever they are).... and you can get hospitalized if people think you talk to yourself.
Mach One says:
lol
MAYA - back now says:
It boils down to conditioning, rampant !  Society is AFRAID of 'voices' in their head.........so they invent a word called schizophrenia, and educate people how to spell it.
Mach One says:
Why are they afraid?
MAYA - back now says:
Why are they afraid?  Because generations of Bible-Bashers have told them that it is the 'devil' in them...... so, it is not even they who are talking to themselves, but the 'devil'.  Hence the rationale that there is nothing external, a denial in other words.
Mach One says:
I see
MAYA - back now says:
In this modern day, however, it is ok to say you are 'channeling'.... but it is still NOT ok to say you are talking to yourself.
Mach One says:
lol
Mach One says:
Is my guide a zeta or pleidian or rep?
MAYA - back now says:
That is something you can ask your guide.  Ask, "Are you a Zeta?  And may I know your name, please?"
Mach One says:
I can't get the name but I heard 'I am a zeta'  and i think the name starts w/ an 'r'?
MAYA - back now says:
Names are not easy at first to hear.  So, you should repeat what you felt you heard as the name, and the guide will tell you 'yes' or 'not quite right'.  Ask "Can you keep repeating the name to me, please, so that I can get it clear?"
MAYA - back now says:
Let your mouth take the shape of the name, syllable by syllable........feel it coming to you.
Mach One says:
are they supposed to sound wierd/uncommon?
MAYA - back now says:
Very often, yes.  They don't have typcial Earth-names like Isabelle or Joan.
Mach One says:
I can't get past "Ral---"
MAYA - back now says:
ok....you've got the first syllable.......now, try Ral-WENA ......Ral-YENA and ask is that correct.
Mach One says:
ralyenia
Mach One says:
is that right?
MAYA - back now says:
Ask your guide
Mach One says:
no its ralyena
MAYA - back now says:
Fine.  Now this is what it is about.......conversation...........asking, receiving......and that is how you arrived at the name.........just as if it was a foreign human you were talking to with a difficult name, and so you ask until you get it.....simple as that.
Mach One says:
Yeah
MAYA - back now says:
Now, we want you to ask Ralyena some questions...about anything......just as if you were asking me to ask my guide...........but this time direct, and write down your question......then, as soon as you receive it, the answer (using R:  before the response Ralyena gives).
Mach One says:
any question?
MAYA - back now says:
Anything at all.
MAYA - back now says:
Whatever interests you.  You may want to ask about your guide.
Mach One says:
All the sudden I'm at a loss of questions lol
MAYA - back now says:
Yes.
MAYA - back now says:
This is your big chance.  What you've always wanted.
MAYA - back now says:
Remember, it is an ORDINARY conversation.....getting to know the guide.........so treat it as such.... Ralyena understands, and is happy to talk to you....just ask, say.......something about where Ralyena is right now, for example.
MAYA - back now says:
The questions don't have to be earth-shattering..and you're not doing an interview for NBC News to a mass audience.......just you and your guide.
Mach One says:
lol ok
Mach One says:
man its not working =\
Mach One says:
i still keep thinking im talking to myself
MAYA - back now says:
Fine.  Just don't tell people, they'll lock you up.  In the meantime, write down your question and the answer.
Mach One says:
lol alright
Mach One says:
"Where are you talking to me from?"
R: I'm on a ship right now, not as large as a mothership, it is one of those flying saucers you hear about.
Mach One says:
"What is your ship mainly used for?"
R: Primarily it is an information gathering vessel, for your planet and several others that hold life or the possiblity thereof.
MAYA - back now says:
Ralyena, can I ask you through Mach One.......... Are you solely gathering information for the Earth Project, or do you have 'assignments' elsewhere - since you mention 'several others'
MAYA - back now says:
(will you write down the response to that please)
Mach One says:
R: I am on the Earth Project. When I mentioned several others, I was referring to the function of ships of this kind.
MAYA - back now says:
This is what I understood, thank you for the verification there.... I was asking merely to clarify in Mach One's mind that very point.... that the ship is in fact very old and durable and has been used for that function over a long long period of time.
Mach One says:
R: Yes, he did have the misinterpretation that I was on several assignments.
MAYA - back now says:
This also brings in the fact, in my question, that I know certain 'things' that he doesn't.......so his line of questioning would have to be gradual, to build up that information.
Mach One says:
R: Yes. There is more about it that he can't yet perceive clearly. But so far he's trusting what he's getting, and that helps in letting everything flow smoothly.
MAYA - back now says:
Yes, indeed........that is the basis of GOOD conversation.......to trust the 'flow' and that is how the knowledge is built up then, from common sense questions and intuition leading to others.
MAYA - back now says:
As we have agreed, privately, Ralyena..........I will say here that this is a 3-way conversation now......and you are standing by to add to what I say (Mach One will write your responses)........so, here we have Mach One actually doing a 'channeling' from you !
Mach One says:
So should I keep asking questions or did you want to talk?
MAYA - back now says:
We can all three talk.
MAYA - back now says:
Ralyena is the guide you have at present....... Fuzziwig channels the Zeta also, but his guide is Pleiadian...... and of course Ralyena has not channeled through Fuzziwig (it is a seperate 'department' for the forum)
MAYA - back now says:
Ralyena will tell you why it is a seperate 'department'
Mach One says:
R: Amongst the Zetas there are certain individuals assigned certain tasks to help in the progression of humankind's preparation and transition into the changes after the pole shift and 4d transformation. Fuzziwig channels a specific group who's primary purpose is communication between the two species; I am with a more scientific research oriented department, and so we have different tasks set to u
Mach One says:
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Mach One says:
R: That is why I am on this 'flying saucer' ship.
MAYA - back now says:
Feel free throughout this to add your own questions, Mach One.
Mach One says:
Ok
Mach One says:
Well actually I need to get some sleep soon... I wish he had gotten an earlier start on this so I'd have more time.
Mach One says:
we*
Mach One says:
But Maya thanks for your help. I've been a feeling a pull to contact my guide for quite some time now and I'm glad that I got to speak to you.
MAYA - back now says:
That's good.  Have you got 5 more minutes..... to ask a couple more questions of Ralyena?
Mach One says:
Sure
MAYA - back now says:
It is interesting, obviously, having this 3-way conversation....... so Ralyena, can you explain to Mach One how you come to be a 'guide' for him, as well as doing your 'assigned' tasks on the ship in general - and what some of those other tasks are in between your 'monitoring' of Mach One?  And do you have other 'charges' in your care?
Mach One says:
R: Yes. There are a group of guides that are selected as 'monitors' based on your life-plan; more scientifically oriented lives will have scientifically oriented monitors. Between monitoring Mach One, I am assigned with watching how the general population of Earth responds to the imminent coming of the 4d transformation and pole shift and analyzing these responses in order to find better ways...
Mach One says:
R: To subtly prepare them.
Mach One says:
R: This is my main duty apart from acting as 'monitor' for Mach and others I have been assigned to.
MAYA - back now says:
Thank you.  And Mach has done excellently tonight, hasn't he?
Mach One says:
R: Yes. He didn't think it would have been so simple.
Mach One says:
No I didn't.
MAYA - back now says:
The guides are very pleased indeed at the channeling that Mach has been able to do so accurately.
Mach One says:
lol  I'm glad the guides think I did well. I wasn't too sure whether I did or not.
MAYA - back now says:
Yes.  You did do very well, and I was monitoring with your guide throughout determining the course as a result of the progress at each step.
Mach One says:
I notice that Ralyena communicates more through intuitive feelings rather than direct thoughts. Is that how it is always done?
Mach One says:
I didn't hear any thoughts in my head, but more like feelings of what should be said.
MAYA - back now says:
Tonight, you achieved remarkable success in a very short space of time, as soon as you became ready......it's as simple as that, and I merely was the 'interface' as I explained earlier to facilitate it.  People channel the 'symbols', and they are transmitted as 'feelings' like a carrier wave always........ so you received and 'translated'.......very accurately, because you were fully open.
Mach One says:
Cool. That's one of the reasons I thought I was doing it wrong; because they were more like "feelings" than "thoughts"
MAYA - back now says:
The guides feel that this channeling will be of benefit to members... so they have asked for your permission for me to publish the channeling.  Which wil be wonderful.  Is that Ok with you?
Mach One says:
Sure. On Astralpulse my username is Nidhananda
MAYA - back now says:
Great.  When you think you 'think', it is actually instantaneous, and not in words very often - since you can work at a deep 'intuitive' level, whereas the brain works on a higher 'human-to-human' level.......so you were simply receiving the input and then your mind translated to a human interface level, called 'language' to retransmit it.  Does that now make sense to you?
Mach One says:
Yes
MAYA - back now says:
Take it slowly, and we can talk again.  You have now made 'contact' and that is a great thing.
MAYA - back now says:
You also realise now that you have really had contact before, but doubted.
Mach One says:
Yeah actually I do
MAYA - back now says:
Another vital point to bear in mind here, is that 'channeling' has to be accurate at all times - and that is why I was very careful with you to prepare you.  When Fuzziwig (or any of us) is channeling for the forum, every sentence is checked with the guide, "Is this what you want me to say?" before going on - or in my case, here, before I click the <send> button.  And that is all for verification
Mach One says:
Ok  I'll keep that in mind for next time
MAYA - back now says:
I verified for you here, because it was your first time in doing this....... and I verify everything that I read on the forums also........it is a habit that ensures accuracy at all times.
MAYA - back now says:
So, there is no need to 'doubt' if you are verifying what you receive.
Mach One says:
Ok
MAYA - back now says:
So, what are your concluding comments on this session tonight?
Mach One says:
Channeling is easier than I thought. You just gotta be open to it. And I'm definately looking forward to the next time I talk to Ralyena - And I'm glad that you helped me establish contact.
MAYA - back now says:
It has been a pleasure working on this with you, and with Ralyena.  I will look forward to the next time we talk.
Mach One says:
Me too. Good night.
MAYA - back now says:
Goodnight.  Take Care.


So, there you have it.  A first step in channeling by Mach One.  But, as Edi will tell you, it is just one step along the road in the training that is necessary to ensure accuracy at all times, not to mention the responsibility that a channeler has.  I await Edi's response, and he will tell you more.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[PLEASE NOTERegardingTELEPATHY PROJECT GROUP]

PLEASE NOTE
Regarding
TELEPATHY PROJECT GROUP

Because I am moving house, and shall therefore be offline from before this weekend for some indeterminate time, I have the following announcement to make, as instructed by my guide, Karek.

In my absence, and for the foreseeable future, responsibility for the running of the Telepathy Project and Channeling will no longer be mine and therefore I hand over that task to the person who is now trained for this – Fuzziwig – as decided by the guides.

FUZZIWIG will take on all responsibility for the Telepathy Project on the Astral Pulse, whether in the Communications section or elsewhere on the forums, and as a result any final decisions regarding the group's activities and/or posting by the group will be his alone to make and implement as he sees fit after consultation with the guides.

To make it clear to members:
Both FUZZIWIG and EDI are, on the wishes of the guides, to continue channelling the Pleiadians and Zeta, while FUZZIWIG will also continue to channel the Reptilians when appropriate.
In addition, FUZZIWIG now has the status given to him to channel ANY Pleiadian and Zeta whenever this is needed, as well as his own Pleiadian guide Jopeha, with instant connection to those guides and their guide-representatives. (EDI will continue to be connected to the Zeta via his own guide).

The guides have decided that there will be no further new training for telepathy for would-be applicants at this time and for the foreseeable future on the Astral Pulse.

These changes I have been asked by the guides, with whom I have been in consultation, to make known here.

All that remains for me now to say is Congratulations Fuzziwig on your promotion of status, and to all members of the Telepathy Project I wish you all the best in this important work for the guides.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

 

 

[PLEASE NOTERegardingTELEPATHY PROJECT GROUP]

PLEASE NOTE
Regarding
TELEPATHY PROJECT GROUP

Because I am moving house, and shall therefore be offline from before this weekend for some indeterminate time, I have the following announcement to make, as instructed by my guide, Karek.

In my absence, and for the foreseeable future, responsibility for the running of the Telepathy Project and Channeling will no longer be mine and therefore I hand over that task to the person who is now trained for this – Fuzziwig – as decided by the guides.

FUZZIWIG will take on all responsibility for the Telepathy Project on the Astral Pulse, whether in the Communications section or elsewhere on the forums, and as a result any final decisions regarding the group's activities and/or posting by the group will be his alone to make, as head of the group, and implement as he sees fit after consultation with the guides.

To make it clear to members:
Both FUZZIWIG and EDI are, on the wishes of the guides, to continue channelling the Pleiadians and Zeta, while FUZZIWIG will also continue to channel the Reptilians when appropriate.
In addition, FUZZIWIG now has the status given to him to channel ANY Pleiadian and Zeta whenever this is needed, as well as his own Pleiadian guide Jopeha, with instant connection to those guides and their guide-representatives. (EDI will continue to be connected to the Zeta via his own guide).

The guides have decided that there will be no further new training for telepathy for would-be applicants at this time and for the foreseeable future on the Astral Pulse.

These changes I have been asked by the guides, with whom I have been in consultation, to make known here.

All that remains for me now to say is Congratulations Fuzziwig on your promotion of status, and to all members of the Telepathy Project I wish you all the best in this important work for the guides.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

 

 

[DISCUSSION THREAD]

DISCUSSION THREAD

Post your discussions here
of
any answers given by the ZETA

The other thread
<ZETA PROJECT: ZETA CONVERSATIONS - and QUESTIONS>
should be kept for SPECIFIC questions
- so this thread is provided for broad discussion
of the answers that the ZETA give
in their INFORMATION dialogues.


With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[ZETA CONVERSATION TRANSCRIPTS]

THIS THREAD IS
for
ZETA CONVERSATION TRANSCRIPTS
and
QUESTIONS FOR THE ZETA TO ANSWER

This thread has been created so that members can have clear access to the INFORMATION provided by the Zeta in answer to any questions submitted by any Astral Pulse member, which will then be put by a member of the team now in direct communication with the Zeta Reticuli via a telepathic "hook-up" provided by their Pleiadian guide at certain 'arranged times' on a regular basis.

This "Friendly"-Talking with the Zeta opens up new frontiers for information, and this is especially needed at this time due to the many so-called "Channeling Websites" that offer 'information' on a 'veiw only' basis.  Now you can put YOUR questions, and get the facts for you to discuss here on the AStral Pulse.

Common sense dictates that you should never just 'believe' what you read, but instead should discuss it with an open positive appraoch.  So, feel free to start your own thread if you like on any topic the Zeta give answers to - and indeed they encourage this; the more you discuss, the better the perspective gained.

Up till now, the Zeta have only spoken to Nancy Lieder of ZetaTalk for her to pass on information on that website www.zetatalk.com ... but now you can put your own questions on any subject due to this joint Pleiadian-Zeta venture to let you know what is really happening, and why the Zeta are here working on the Earth Project for Mankind under the supervision of the Pleiadians.

Because this is such an important opportunity for all to learn more, this thread has been made a 'sticky' - and another thread alongside this one - for DISCUSSION OF ZETA ANSWERS - will also be made 'sticky' so that all related information will always be easily accessible.  Therefore, the DISCUSSION thread will be the best one to use in the main, unless (as I've said) you would like to start your own thread on a particular topic, bearing in mind that it may not stay on top as the DISCUSSION 'sticky' will do.

All that the Zeta ask is... that members have an open mind with a positive approach.  So post whatever questions you like here for the Zeta - and they will be answered !

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[MEMBERS ARE NOT ASKED TO 'SIMPLY BELIEVE' WHAT THE ZETA SAY, BUT TO EXAMINE IT WITH AN OPEN AND POSITVE APPROACH IN BOTH QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS OF THE ANSWERS GIVEN.ALL THE ZETA ASK IS THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A FREE WILL WORLD - AND NOBODY NEED EVEN LISTEN IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, BUT OF COURSE IT'S POINTLESS DISCUSSING SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT, AND THE ZETA ARE HERE TO INFORM.THE REST IS UP TO YOU.]

THE ZETA PROJECT

The ZETA PROJECT first came into being on page 21 of the
<AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN - You'll see!> thread.

That thread initially introduced members to the Pendulum, a Divination Tool that is used in Dowsing but which is little understood for pure divination purposes - and the purpose of that thread was to teach its proper advanced use for this (the standard use of the Pendulum is explained in the Dowsing Course now in the AStral Pulse Library).

It was always intended that members should have the opportunity to become telepathic (something that the Pendulum makes easy, because it automatically tunes-in the 'psychic muscles' of a person to be more receptive to the Higher Realms).  By the time that page 21 had been reached over 10 members had gained telepathy (the majority of these by use of the Pendulum as a 'kick starter' for this).  Of course, not all people need the Pendulum to acquire telepathic communication, and some were able, by special tuition, to jump straight into it.

This particular forum now carries on from that thread - and here the truth shall FINALLY be known - as you'll see!

Members wishing to follow the original thread can do so by clicking the link below:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5116

- and there readers can see how it all began and gradually wound its way to where it is now - here.  All the original Zeta dialogues and associated posts have been left in that thread so that members can see the continuity.  But the relevant ZETA CONVERSATIONS and question posts have been copied to this section so that everyting on the ZETA topic is here for ongoing access to provide INFORMATION and DISCUSSION.

So, here, following on from ZetaTalk, is the 'new home' of ZETA "Friendly"-Talking exclusively to Astral Pulse members.

Whereas on ZetaTalk information was given by the Zeta to their Emmissary Nancy Lieder, we have our own 'team' here at the AP who can receive direct from the Zeta, and so those specially trained members are able to put any questions you want to the Zeta and the answers will be posted on a regular basis in this section for INFORMATION and DISCUSSION by Astral Pulse members.

Two 'sticky' threads are provided here:

- for specific questions and ZETA DIALOGUES answering them
and
- for DISCUSSION by members.

(and members can, of course, create their own threads if they wish to pursue various aspects from the answers the Zeta give)

The main object is to make all the information that can be gathered as clearly accessible as possible to anyone.  So, this arrangement should hopefully keep everything tidy for the benefit of all.

MEMBERS ARE NOT ASKED TO 'SIMPLY BELIEVE' WHAT THE ZETA SAY, BUT TO EXAMINE IT WITH AN OPEN AND POSITVE APPROACH IN BOTH QUESTIONS AND DISCUSSIONS OF THE ANSWERS GIVEN.

ALL THE ZETA ASK IS THAT, BECAUSE THIS IS A FREE WILL WORLD - AND NOBODY NEED EVEN LISTEN IF THEY DON'T WANT TO, BUT OF COURSE IT'S POINTLESS DISCUSSING SOMETHING YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT, AND THE ZETA ARE HERE TO INFORM.

THE REST IS UP TO YOU.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[S.4 --- 'INFORMATION DOWSING' WITH L-RODS ---]

S.4 --- 'INFORMATION DOWSING' WITH L-RODS ---

The last few examples given in the previous section were  verging on what is called 'Information Dowsing' and the warning I gave there about 'need to know' and what information will be released to the user by the 'source'  applies here also.

'Information Dowsing' proper is defined as obtaining 'yes' or 'no' responses to questions asked of the L-rods (or Pendulum).  To use L-rods for 'Information Dowsing' they must first be programmed for this.  To do this, you simply put the L-rods into <search> mode (that is, the rods facing forward) and issue the polite command, "GIVE me a 'Yes' response, please".  Many dowsers have been taught to use the phrase 'Show me' but this is incorrect, and can lead to errors with some people who do not initially have strong 'intent' or focus in their mind.  'Show me' can be applied to any situation once the L-rods (or Pendulum) have been programmed to give the appropriate responses.  But first, the 'source' has to assign to the L-rods (or Pendulum) the correct swivel (or, in the case of the Pendulu, swing) that applies to you, the individual and this depends on your genetic make-up and where you live in the world.  This has never been researched by dowsers, but I have done my own research, after having been told by my guide that this is in fact the case, and found that it does indeed depend on ethnicity and location.  So, because you need to be given the correct response for you, you should use the phrase "Give me............".  Then the L-rods will swivel into the correct position.  Once you have been given the respoonse for 'yes', then proceed to ask politely, "Give me a 'No', please".  If the L-rods had swivelled inwards for 'yes' then they will be repulsed (swivel outwards) for 'No', or vice-versa.  Once thus obtained, these responses will remain yours, assigned to you, for the rest of your life when using the L-rods (and the same applies in that respect to the Pendulum also).

It has become to have been documented in several Dowsing Technique books, that the L-rods can sometimes act capriciously "for reasons unknown" and when this occurs, the L-rods are seen to give the inverse responses – 'yes' for 'no' and 'no' for 'yes', and that this can occur for up to a day or even two days.  So, it is recommended that the user checks from time to time, to ensure that the L-rods are responding in the correct manner.  I, personally, recommend that the user checks at the start of each dowsing session, with "Show me a 'Yes', please" (remember, the response has already been assigned for life, so do not need now to  use 'give' but 'show' instead) and similarly ask for 'No' response.

No research has been done by dowsers on this changeover behaviour of the tool that can sometimes occur, but my guide informs me that this apparent "capriciousness" is in fact due to phase reversal in the brain's hemispheres, and is a result of varying attitude (the right hemisphere is the 'intuitive' side, and the left is the logical cognitive 'thinking' side).  Keeping the right attitude and therefore 'frame of mind' will ensure that this phase-reversal (mistakenly dubbed "capriciousness") does not occur.  For this reason I say again, and especially for the beginner, until a user is adept in all situations it is advisable to check at the start of each session, or occasionally during a session even.   Another useful check that can be done at any time, is to ask a question to which there can only be one answer, for example, "Is the sun shining here right now?".  If it is, then the resonse will be 'Yes'.  If it is night, then the answer will clearly be 'No'.  The 'source' does not treat this as checking its intelligence, but rather as an intelligent and common-sense check to ensure that you can recognise the response correctly at any time you feel the need.  It can also 'read' your attitude and your train of thought also, so reacts accordingly.

'TRICK' ANSWERS

Apart form over concentration (a relaxed, contemplative and focussed 'frame of mind' is essential), as many a noted author on dowsing has remarked, "L-rods a and Pendulums have a mind of their own, and revel in the taming of egos".  So, occasionally a 'wrong answer' may be given, and the object of this is to get the user to focus better in his line of questioning, a way of redirecting the person onto another track when they are going too far down the wrong route.  Once the user realises that this has occurred and rethought, the L-rods (or Pendulum) will give the correct answers.  If you suspect you have been given a 'trick' answer, to detect the true from the false simply ask, "Is this a 'trick' response?" and a truthful answer will be given to this, since the object is not to make a fool of you but to help you learn something.  Note the answer, "Yes.....that was a 'trick' response"... or "No, it was not!"  Simple as that.  Always remember, that Information Divination is for learning new things, but also very important to the 'source' is the person's inner-development and that latter will always take priority since conditioning and a closed mindset will not lead to acquiring dowsing skill, nor understanding new knowledge, and so must be addressed and conscientiously worked on - and the user should at all times be aware that the L-rods or Pendulum will be seeking to remove such conditioning and anything that will hamper the student dowser in his or her progress towards greater receptivity.  Regard the 'tool' as a teacher deserving respect, and with that attitude you will progress well and become adept in receiving accurate information.

'SPIRITUAL' DOWSING

This is an aspect of Information Dowsing where the user is seeking answers regarding things that can be considered of a 'spiritual' nature (spiritual here does not have any religious connotation) and applies to such as chakras, auras, 'higher realms' or 'other dimensions' in any way, plus similar non-physical aspects that lie beyond the frontiers of our ordinary perception.  The way that investigation of such things should be approached is with an awareness that,  whatever the 'source', we are in touch with it through our 'Higher Self' or 'Superconsciousness', and it must be greater than merely our 'Higher Self' by whatever definition, since our 'Higher Self' is in turn connected with the 'Collective Consciousness'.

In his book <SPIRITUAL DOWSING>, Sig Lonegrin advocates that, prior to any spiritual dowsing session three quesitons should be asked.  If three 'yes' answers are given he proceeds with the dowsing task. If a single 'No' response is obtained then he does not.  I would instead say, that if the user obtains a 'No' then they should rethink their approach, and try again – rather than just abandoning it.

However, I quote Sig Lonegrin's three preparation questions here:
--- "CAN I" asks the question 'Am I READY for the task?'
--- "SHOULD I" means 'Am I right to proceed now?'
--- "MAY I" requests permission to proceed.
A 'No' response to "Should I do this" may mean now is not the right time.

In general, it will be found that the L-rod or Pendulum will leave no doubt in the person's mind as they attempt to ask questions about a particular topic.  Either the tool will not respond, or will give answers that indicate the person is on the wrong track.  If the user always has respect and the right 'frame of mind' then the best course of action I advocate is to check when unsure of whether to proceed or not, since a line of questioning may be perfectly alright to start, but then the questioner can deviate along a track that is not appropriate at that time.  A simple question, therefore, at such moments will be sufficient, such as, "Am I thinking along the right lines here?" when answers don't seem to be making a lot of sense.  If you get a 'No' response, then you should rethink and try a different train of thought on that topic.  But, it could, however, be that you are indeed thinking along the right lines, but the parameters are beyond your normal perception so if you get a 'Yes' then in that case proceed carefully but with quiet confidence that you will be further guided from time to time as your question session continues.

In a similar manner, it may occur that, for whatever reason best known to the 'source' giving the information via the dowsing tool, the present time is not right to reveal the information.  If the user wonders if this is the case, then it is simply a matter of  asking, "Is this the right time to ask about this?".  A clear 'yes' or 'no' will be given.  In the case of 'no' then you should ask, "May I ask about this at another time, please?" and again you will be told.

Another situation that can arise, is where privacy of an individual's situation is involved or where answers would compromise that person's Free Will in some way, either by your knowledge (were you to receive it) or by your action as a result.  This is where a rule comes in, as my guide explained to me, that information is only ever given on a 'need to know' basis whatever it may be.  In standard dowsing the 'need to know' is merely the intent to learn and grow in useful knowledge, but in Information Dowsing and Spiritual Divination the 'need to know' is set at different levels according to the user's 'status'.  Status is defined, my guide informed me, as the level of responsibility earned by various 'tests' that the 'source' sets and its observations as to how the subject deals with those situations.  If the subject shows clear ability to handle these with a very responsible attitude then the next higher perspective is opened up along with a new 'doorway' to higher-security 'need to know' knowledge.  And so it continues, as the person advances.

I reproduced the Sig Lonegrin questions and his approach to show that dowsers in general, and spiritual dowsers in particular, have great respect for the 'source' of their information which comes through the dowsing tool the use.  But, since my guide has explained at great length to me telepathically how I should teach dowsing divination I have given the above guidelines regarding spiritual dowsing here.  Incidentally, whilst on the subject of 'guidelines', the term 'Dowsing Divination' is one term not two words that mean the same thing.  Divination is the receiving of 'divine' (i.e. Higher 'source') information, and Dowsing is the means by which it is done.  The word 'Dowse' actually comes from an ancient Norwegian word which means 'According to Sacred Rules', from which have derived various words from the original, dowsxma (the 'x' being pronounced as 'ks'; the word 'dogma' being the alternative spelling in English, although the word dogma has now got the connotation of 'rules imposed' which was not its original meaning, and so dowsing is NOT equivalent to 'dogmatic', but rather it infers respect for guidelines given by a higher 'source' in how to use the dowsing tools correctly, since the various techniques of dowsing were given to the people of Earth many thousands of years ago.  Some of the original 'guidelines' were forgotten but thankfully the basics were preserved throughout history.  Because of that fact, my guide asked me to teach what she terms the 'Advanced Mode' of Dowsing to differentiate between that and the Traditional (or 'default') Mode of Dowsing.  This is why, then,  I stress the importance of the guidelines that have been given to me telepathically for me to pass on and which apply particularly to Information and Spiritual Dowsing, but also add back what has been lost or mistakenly assumed in Traditional Dowsing Techniques.  Having said that, Dowsing Principles are basically sound in most respects and have proved great accuracy in use over the many centuries - in fact, as detailed in Section 1 of this present course, Dowsing can be dated back to over 8,000 years ago and such as the Pyramids and Sacred Sites as well as Medieval Churches were built on Dowsing Principles by stonemasons who knew the ancient art and science of Dowsing.  Therefore it is time for this ancient knowledge to be given to all, so that everyone can have a clear understanding of all aspects of Dowsing,  particularly in the sphere of Information and Spiritual Dowsing that can be done by any person for their inner-development and for obtaining Truth at this time in our evolution.

ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS

To obtain Truth you have to ask the right questions – in fact, the question must be clear in order for the answer to make sense.  One of the most common pitfalls is asking two questions in one.  In Information Dowsing, for example: "Is X big and black?".  Apart from being two questions concerning (1) whether X is 'big' and (2) whether X is black (and the answer to each may be different), there is also the question of what is considered 'big' since this is a very relative term which could describe an elephant, a long-distance 8-wheeler lorry, an office complex, a planet, a star... a galaxy.  How 'big' is big?  If size is important in the question then relate it to actual measurement terms.  "Is it more than 5 metres long?" is a precise question, rather than "Is it very long – since 50 metres could be very long... and the difference is enormous, depending on what you consider 'long'.  Also, be aware of what "Can I......" and "Should I..." mean.  There is a tendency to use these words interchangeably in speech but with fact seeking, especially of 'physical information' you need to be precise.  "Can I go to town now?" means am I capabable (am I able to walk?, do I have the transport?, will I be able to get transport? etc), whereas "Should I go to town?" is asking would it be advisable to go (will there be any shops open when I get there? Is there anything I need from town? Is a person I'm planning to meet there likely to be delayed?  Is now the best time ?(since it is not specified), or would another time be better?)... there are many variables, so it is better to break that question up into parts, dealing with what is important to you to find out.

People use Information Dowsing to plan their holidays (just as one might consult travel brochures, but here get more information that they would contain regarding local places, the conditions and possible problems there, etc).  Some use it in their business to help plan schedules – in many respects it is a way of 'thinking out' things, rather like having a knowledgeable friend there who can advise on situations, and you can get an idea from the way they *nod* or shake their head ('yes' or 'no' indication) as you talk through it.  A relaxed style of questioning is always best for good results.

In Spiritual Dowsing the best approach is always the  conversational rather than 'fact seeking' approach, so don't be in a hurry but rather 'talk about it' with the Dowsing tool (single L-rod or Pendulum), whatever you are interested in.  The more relaxed you are, then the more in-depth your 'conversation' is going to be, and also the better your 'frame of mind' (that meditative and reflective state essential for good dowsing).  Those times in a person's life when they get into really deep conversation with someone, and the hours slip by unnoticed is the best way to think of your dowsing 'conversations', because if you can approach them in that way then you will derive the most benefit by that depth of relaxed-cncentration.  Being in a meditative and reflective state does not mean falling asleep, and – just as it is when talking to a close friend about deep issues – you can be excited at the same time, and even emotional (a good state for telepathic reception) and so you actually become more alert to dig and dive into different lines of questioning, like a rabbit down every hole, to see where there is the possibility of more information.  Often, an answer to a particular question prompts remembrance of some previous line of questioning and a surprise answer that cropped up at that earlier time and which then didn't seem to make sense but suddenly provides an avenue for re-investigation, so go back to that earlier thread of discussion and see how far it now leads in the light of new information.  Talking about things outside of normal perception is a 'picture painting' exercise, getting a backdrop, a canvass from which to work and delve into other questioning lines.  It is not a question of 'believing' what answers are given, but of investigating what sense can be made of them – and that will often involve the shedding of conditioning in order to grasp some things, especially if it has been ingrained in you that those things could not possibly be true, or go against some well-established teaching. It is often a matter of perception, and Spiritual Dowsing increases the level of perception with practice, leading to higher perspectives.

Should you trust the L-rod or Pendulum, in the answers given when doing Spiritual Dowsing?  The answer to that is would you trust a friend, more than a stranger?  And that means that you should try to gain a good 'rapport' in the same way that you would want to get to know a person, to be a friend, and then a close friend.  Your friend talks to you, and depending on how much you have talked to them you can accept what they are saying as part of a larger picture. So you listen and ask questions, and build up in your mind what they are trying to explain to you.  Be aware, that in the early stages of Spiritual Divination, that the accent will be on breaking pre-conditioning, so you are going to be surprised at some of the answers at least, and you have much to think about as a result.  Once your inner-development has broken the barriers then new frontiers of exploration know no bounds.

For each, it is going to be different – so, no cut and dried formula exists in how to approach divination whether by tool or direct with a guide by telepathic communication.  So, my advice is always to start off with the ordinary and familiar, and just be natural, in the same way as when you meet a new friend it is more appropriate to just sit and chat over a cup of tea or coffee (okay, glass of wine if you're French!) than it is to dive straight into deep issues.  Most of all, ask about things that interest you – whatever they may be.  Some have said to me, that they don't want to waste the time of the 'source' or their guide or their 'Higher Self' on trivialities.  People are what they are, and that's why they are here, to be how they are at any particular time... which includes a sense of humour.  Life is not meant to be deadly serious – it is an experience, to be lived.  So, ask about the things in your ordinary life, the things you would ask a close friend about... and think in terms of that 'source' as being a very Wise Friend... then you will be starting to build a good 'rapport', because that 'source' knows everything about you from the moment you pick up the tool.  So, you may as well talk about what it all, for starters, and let it out because very often there are things buried that need to be addressed.

Finally, on the topic of questions... if you have difficulty in thinking of questions to ask, then an easy way is to make statements and observe the reaction of the L-rod or Pendulum.  Reading a book, while holding the Pendulum is an ideal way of getting used to spiritual divination, and, as you read each sentence or part of it, you can watch the Pendulum out of the corner of your eye, and it will be seen to 'agree' or 'disagree' by the 'yes' or 'no' response to what you are reading to it.  Just be casual, and start with, "It says here........." and then just read that section.  Then, you can ask questions about what you've read.  That IS by far, the easiest way of starting out with Spiritual Dowsing, and you can apply the same idea in listening to a documentary or anything of a supposedly 'factual' nature on TV or radio (even easier is recording it and then playing it back as you hold the Pendulum, because you can then pause it or even go back to parts to ask more questions).  In this way your questioning skills will soon develop.

A FOOTNOTE:

On a personal note here, my own experience with dowsing came with the Pendulum, and by asking literally thousands of questions within the first 3 days of having started with the Pendulum it brought me the 'gift' of telepathy and within that first week I had full instant telepathic communication with Higher Beings on a constant basis every minute of every waking day from that time on.  I did not know anything about the Pendulum prior to picking it up for the first time, and there was no-one around to teach me either.  In fact, I had never heard of the Pendulum before that time, and it wasn't until many years after that that I even knew what the word 'dowsing' meant; I only knew I could do it, and that it was called 'divination' from the explanations my guide gave me.  So, I was guided, right from the start, at first by 'intuition' and after the first 3 days by a voice telepathically in my head, that explained many wonderful things to me about other realms and how things really were, and of course the Advanced Mode of using the Pendulum and all the things that were known to those I was later to come to know were called 'dowsers'.  In fact, it was only two years ago that I first saw a dowsing book (six years after I had already learned it in detail, plus the things that dowsers had forgotten!), and as I read that book I was filled with awe that it had all been revealed to me long before, and without the need for me to ever read it in the first place.  I do not ask the reader or anyone to believe me, but simply say, "Ask the Pendulum, or the L-rod –- and it will tell you the Truth of what I say".  Those Dowsing tools will tell you many wonderful things that are in books which you have never read (as well as the truth that is not written in those books), but more than that they will tell you what has been lost to Man during the course of our history, and what has never yet been written in any book on Earth.  While Traditional Dowsing techniques will not of themselves lead to telepathic abilities being reawakened in people (everyone has that ability though dormant and undeveloped, a psychic 'muscle' unused), following this on to the diligent and frequent practice of Information and 'spiritual' dowsing with the right 'frame of mind' will lead to and greatly assist the speedy development of full telepathic communication with a guide.  But, be aware that ego has no place in any of this development, yet a quiet confidence will be the keynote since the bringing of telepathy confers with it a responsibility to convey in a clear voice to others what is relayed to you -  or, to be more precise, those parts that are permitted for you to pass on at any particular time of what is revealed to you.  That is how it has been with me, and it was only recently, after many years of knowing so many things, that I was permitted to pass on in public for all to know those things my guide wishes to be known.  Those who I have taught full telepathy by personal tuition in conjunction with their guides, and those who I have assisted in reaching instant  telepathic ability have been those who were deemed ready for it by their guides, and this is the way it always is.  Nothing is ever given to do that a person cannot easily accomplish, and the guides know the time.  So, have that quiet confidence in your learning and know that you are guided, however unseen it may at the moment may be, and that time will surely come if you are diligent... just take it as it comes.  There is no need to desperately try, because you will be presented with the opportunities at the right time.  Remember, your inner-development is of prime importance to the Higher Realms, so you will be well prepared for the many gifts that are there to be given.  There are an ever growing number now on the Astral Pulse who have found a way forward by means of the Pendulum, and now hopefully even more will emerge to use the Pendulum and also the L-rods as a result of this instruction course in dowsing which is aimed to set a firm foundation of confidence and ultimately, as they progress, add to those members who are already in telepathic communication with their 'Higher Self'..... and then 'monitor' guides, progressing to 'teacher-guides' and finally a permanent guide who will be assigned to them for the purpose of them helping others.  Always though, inner-development is the priority and the various types of guides are assigned for that purpose.  I know this from personal experience, and from working closely and directly with the guides of those I give telepathic tuition to, and the pace of the tuition proceeds according to what their guides feel is right for them at that time.  Recently I had the pleasure of working with a 'teacher-supervisor' guide who was working with one of the members of the Astral Pulse in conjuction with their regular guide in order to for that 'supervisor' to choose the best 'teacher guide' for that person's future studies and inner-growth.  So the guides take the development of each person very seriously and on an individual basis.  There are many paths possible, but one of the main ones I teach is through the Pendulum to telepathy, and by this Service to Others for those that then become guided to do what the guides then train them to do.

In that way, this part of the job assigned for me to do will have been fulfilled, and I seek no more than the joy of knowing I have helped others along the path I have trod.  Each individual has a purpose to fulfil and this is but one stage along the path towards a giant leap for Mankind that is coming soon, so it is time to prepare – hence the reason for this dowsing course I have prepared here so that people will be assisted to be ready for when the time comes, and be able to help others also in the meantime.

-- end of Section 4 –

This is the end of Part 1.  In sections to follow in Part 2 of this course, much more detailed explanations of Ley-Lines, Earth Energies, Grid Lines, and many other aspects of practical dowsing will be presented, plus scientific findings about dowsing – along with experiments that the reader can try for themselves in most of the applications very easily.  Map Dowsing will also be covered to enable much investigation without even leaving your living room.  In the meantime, keep practicing, and try as many of the things discussed so far as you can do, before we dive even deeper into the Art and Science of Dowsing – in Part 2, coming soon.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[S.3 --- USING L-RODS AND PENDULUMS]

S.3 --- USING L-RODS AND PENDULUMS

In this section we look at both the L-rod and also the Pendulum, and see how they actually work.  In many applications the L-rod is interchangeable with the Pendulum.  By examining how each works, it is then possible to get a much better understanding than just using one particular tool right from the start, though the user may well choose to later use one rather than the other according to their preference.  Outside of Dowsing Societies the Pendulum has tended to have become more popular (though its field of application narrower outside of dowsing), and this is largely due to its extreme portability, as it can be slipped into the smallest pocket, compared with the L-rods, plus the New Age interest in crystals and the extensive manufacture and promoting of the 'crystal pendulum' as a divination tool.  As a result of the crystal pendulum boom, so to speak, many people are not aware of all that lies behind it, both in the wealth of divination experience people have had over the centuries and the many versatile uses of the Pendulum other than the perceived question/answer mode (a part of "Information Dowsing") which has sadly made divination almost appear to be just a game, and the Pendulum just a 'toy', oten an object of suspicion and even ridicule by those who are ignorant of the facts and who may also erroneously compare it and put it in the category of such as the Ouija board (use of the Ouija board and similar 'devices' designed and used by those who often know next to nothing about the proper way to go about divining information) all of which has contrived to give the Pendulum a bad image that is in every way undeserved.  So, this course seeks to redress that imbalance, and this section in particular now addresses the differences and similarities in those two tools, the L-rod and the Pendulu, which work from exactly the same 'source'.

Since many more people have heard about the Pendulum than the L-rod tool, we shall start by looking at the latter which the reader is very likely not to be familiar with or even heard of.  For the purpose of this course, and to get the maximum understanding and therefore benefit, it is assumed that the reader will have bought, or made, both L-rods and a Pednulum (see the previous section for details of this and also other useful information where appropriate).  If the reader has not yet got these tools, then they can be made later after reading this section, but it is strongly advised to read the previous section in any case (and in fact to read all sections of this course carefully) to follow what is being explained, because important information may well be in a different section due to the need to keep the course as compact as possible and avoid repetition unless it is a recap that is given along with further explanation for a particular application.

The essential difference between L-rods and Pendulums, is that the L-rod swivels to give an answer, and additionally can be used to 'point' in the direction of what is sought.  The Pendulum, on the other hand, swings, from side to side or in and out to give an answer (generally, 'yes' or 'no'), and in addition can also be used to 'point', though in this case (since it swings) it has to be determined which end of the swing is the direction pointed to, and in that respect the L-rod (only one rod, rather than two in this case) is easier to use.  The Pendulum tends to be used more for "Information Dowsing/Divination" than the L-rod but either can be used.  In Map Dowsing the Pendulum has obvious advantages due to its smallness, but again the L-rod can be used for this.  Dowsing L-rods are preferred by many for what is called 'prospecting' and for this 2 L-rods are used in searching for oil, water, minerals, roman ruins and buried treasure (coins etc) and many other things.  Again, using different techniques , the Pendulum can do the same thing as L-rods  in many applications.  So, this section will compare the different techniques in a general sense, and this will greatly aid the student dowser in an understanding of what they are doing and how best to go about it with confidence.

RELATING THE PENDULUM TO DOWSING

For those who have used the Pendulum for Information or 'Spiritual' Dowsing only, or who have read various accounts of what the Pendulum can do in those things there is often only a vague notion, or even none at all, of its potential other than in that particular area.  In addition to this, many who practice esoteric arts – such as witchcraft and New Age interests (particularly with crystals) have latched on to only a small part of what can be done with the Pendulum – each particular application tends to be isolated or focussed in one particular direction, for example a growing number of Reiki practitioners now use the Pendum for chakra and aura diagnosis, and some of these move tentatively into that area known as Information Divination but rarely understand more than what they have read in the odd book that happens to deal with their particular field of interest, so there often arises an element of suspicion or fear about contacting some unknown 'source' outside of the area they feel comfortable with.  This propensity to have a level of fear associated with the use of the Pendulum is due to how it has been incautiously used without looking at the whole spectrum of dowsing – so it is often wrongly associated with ouija boards and other divination aids that have sprung up and have been used by people who most often did not have any real overall understanding, and even books have been written by some people that fail to give anywhere near an overall or even balanced picture.  Notions abound regarding what the 'source' is that provides information of whatever kind through the Pendulum, and these are often brightly coloured by the various conceptions and misconceptions in our society.  There are those who feel it is the way to contact their guardian angel, some Higher Intelligence or God, or Alien Beings.  Little wonder then, that there is confusion and even Fear about it.  And yet, it has been used in Dowsing for 8,000 years, even before the L-rod came along (the Y-rod, or more accurately Y-twig, was the other main Dowsing tool used along with the Pendulum right from the earliest time in the Ancient Civilizations... and even by Neolithic so-called 'cavemen' who were in fact extremely knowlegeable about it and many other things that are not generally realised by those who have only read 3 or 4 paragraphs in some school textbook).  Dowsers do not have such problems with the Pendulum that New Age people often have, and it is simply regarded as being an alternative tool to the L-rod in applications where it is more suited because of its portability essentially.  A Dowser is not really concerned about what the 'source' is, and neither does he or she have any Fear of 'lower entities' or suchlike entering the tool – which says something about the conditioning that pervades many esoteric groups causing polarisation due to them only understanding the raw basics (if indeed  they understand that, much less its potential!) applicable to their own particular 'in thing' in the broader context, plus hysteria and shudders from those outside such groups who neither understand what is really going on in such groups nor have  any understanding of a balanced nature.  Dowsing is an Art/Science, very old and stable, and has never hand those problems.  Indeed, on the contrary, it has done much to help science, although the mainstream scientific community (itself polarised) does not accept this, and many famous people of science and other fields have used the Pendulum in their work (as described in Section 1).  So, the reader can proceed with confidence that there are no 'negs' in the Pendulum, and they can best assume that any negativity comes from conditioning, doubt or lack of respect for the tool, in whatever quantity those things may be present.  And any Dowser will tell you that with the aforementioned 'baggage' you are not likely to succeed with the Pendulum or L-rods until that negativity has been banished and replaced with positivite, receptive attitude and a quiet contemplative 'frame of mind', and that with those things in place you will  then progress well if you have diligence in learning and practice your dowsing regularly as a 'way of life' rather than a mere interest, and that will also aid inner-development giving a firm foundation, without fear, for when you come to do Information Dowsing.  To put it bluntly, if L-rods had been taken up by the minority esoteric communities then they too would have attracted the 'Fear Syndrome' about 'negs' and 'lower entities'.  But they have not, and do not give problems that the Pendulum is said to give, even when they are used for 'spiritual' dowsing.  When all is said and done, they are both simply pieces of matter that interact with an unseen 'source', and in dowsing in all its aspects they work exptremely well and accurately, as has been proven for millennia.  It is like everything else in this world, it will be what you want it to be and work or malfunction accordingly.  Dowsing works, and all it requires is your confidence in it.

PENDULUM MOVEMENTS

The Pendulum has two basic types of movement; lateral (side to side, or in and out) plus circular (which may be clockwise or anti-clockwise).  It can be 'programmed' to respond with various meanings attached to each movement as the user chooses, if they wish.  Suprisingly, Dowsers do not have a 'standard' for the various movements, and it is left to the teacher (or the book) to explain the movements of the Pendulum, and this applies also to esoteric groups that promote the use of the Pendulum outside Dowsing.  So, there is actually considerable confusion as to what should be a 'correct' movement as one tries to compare the movements advocated by one group and then another.  Nevertheless, the Pendulum works, because of the 'programming' principle.  Before we look at various meanings attached to any particular movement of the Pendulum, I want to talk about 'programming' so that the reader will have a better understanding.  We are all programmed from birth to fit into our environment (it is actually a much bigger story than that, since we are actually programmed before birth – but that is something that the reader can investigate for his or her self, using the Pendulum to ask questions; that is 'spiritual' dowsing).  In our initial programming we exhibit those traits that are 'us', and this is how WE REACT to our environment.  Conditioning is different, and that is how our environment expects us to react, as the 'norm' in any particular group we find ourselves in.  Conditioning (the insistance that we should comply) takes away the Free Will in our present state of evolution.  Higher Beings do not take away Free Will, because they have obtained the Wisdom as they have advanced in evolution, that conditioning to conform is not the opposite of anarchy, thus they have achieved a state of self-regulation simply by obtaining that Wisdom and teaching it to shape their 'society'. (Again, a very worthwhile topic for investigation using the Pendulum).  So, we have in our present stage of evolution a need to remove that baggage of conditioning if we are to effectively communicate with Higher Realms, the 'source', whatever you wish to call it, because while there is conditioning there is 'colouration' in our notions.  We need to apply 'intent' individually, and not by 'group demand' in our lives, to effectively evolve – and that ability to project intent is built into our prior programming as an individual.  What has already been built into us, and is at a 'subconscious' level in terms of how we can understand it, is a connection to what is termed the 'Collective Consciousness' – and that connection is to a 'group consensus', an entirely different thing to 'group demand'.  So, when we 'programme' the Pendulum we are tapping-on to a facility of that group consensus, that permits from that time on a functionality which the Pendulum will adopt and exhibit.  And that programming is done by simply having the 'intent' for it to so be.  It should then simply be a matter of instructing the Pendulum to assign a meaning to a particular movement, and this in fact does work.  We 'intend' for it to be so (either by strong intent in our mind, or by thinking of it, or 'telling' it in words).  If we don't programme in this fashion, it will nevertheless still provide certain movements in reaction to certain questions or situations (such as finding something we intended to find) – so it already has what we describe in our present computer technology jargon as a 'default' mode.  We could, by experiment deduce what the meaning might be, but we would not understand all of the movements.  Why, for example, does a Pedulum sometimes circle one way and sometimes another? Some have found that the clockwise circling seems to indicate 'yes' for them, others say it is the anti-clockwise movement that gives a 'yes' response to them.  Yet others still, find that a side to side (or even in and out) appears to indicate 'yes'.   If we didn't programme it, then we might assume it is purely arbitrary.  Yet, there is clearly an 'intelligence' there in the Pendulum somehow, for it does give consistent answers when used according to certain prescribed methods.  So, we can assume that it is programmed at the 'source' to give those evident indications.  But why are those movements different for some people?  We can note that within each 'group' of people (such as individual Dowsing Societies) there  tends to be broad agreement, as to what each movement means, but another 'group' will ascribe different meanings.  What is clear, is that overall a person within a particular group can pick up a Pendulum for the first time, and find it gives similar movements to what are obtained by others in that group.  Hence, returning to what we were discussing earlier, there is clearly a 'group consensus'.  In fact, this exists at a subconscious level, because the person picking up the Pendulum for the first time may not in fact have had the full meanings explained to them.  No Dowsers have made a study of this, nor even thought about it.  The philosophy of dowsing is to build upon what has become the 'norm', though it is not here a 'group demand' but a subconscious 'group consensus', and in that there is now an added dimension.  Because the 'source' accepts the majority 'consensus' and makes it the 'default' for whichever group it is that is using it.  That, explained my guide to me, is the way it is.  So, when my guide decided she wanted me to tell people about the Pendulum one of the main things was to stress that it should be used for Information/Spiritual Divination in what she termed the 'Advanced' Mode, to differentiate between the 'Default' Mode that the Pedulum assumes when a Dowser, or an average person just picks the Pendulum up.  (There is actually a 'default' chakra/aura  mode that is becoming a 'standard' in that field also, and which the 'source' recognises and adopts when the Pendulum is applied to such things by a Reiki practitioner).

Because a Pendulum is very likely to go immediately into 'default' mode, my guide asked me to tell people to whom I teach the Pendulum, to instruct it to "Go to 'Advanced' Mode" to ensure it will give consistent standard responses for all users, unless a certain movement is required to be reprogrammed for the duration of a particular set of tasks.  In fact, and this is interesting in the light of what we have been discussing here, those who have read my previous texts on this (in the <AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see> thread) or read through this course, will find that invariably the Pendulum will automatically go immediately, without being specifically  programmed by the user, into 'Advanced' Mode, since it is in the mind of the person, effectively an 'intent', albeit at a subconscious level so not recognised as such by the person encountering the Pendulum for the first time (when, remember, it would otherwise normally adopt 'default', or Dowser Mode).  Only if it should be found to have gone to 'default' mode, therefore, would it need to be instructed to change to 'Advanced' with the "Go to........" programming instruction (and this of course can be used to revert back to 'default' Dowsing Mode at any time, if desired – as may be found to be the case for certain applications in this course, should the user wish to do that, or try both modes).

Thus far, we have seen how the Pendulum has come over the years to adopt a 'default' (or 'standard') mode for the Dowser (albeit that there are slight differences between meanings ascribed according to the particular group).  But, there was a time before Dowsing Groups existed, and even  before the art was kept and cherished by such as the French Monasteries and clergy in defiance to the church (and who thankfully kept many of the principles safe), and the Pendulum was used in Ancient Times used stonemasons who already knew the Art of Dowsing, and they must have learned it from somewhere, from some time previous.  At some time long long ago, the Art and its methods had been  therefore given to someone, before any groups became established (whether stonemasons, or otherwise), and the Pendulum – the oldest of all dowsing tools – was taught to others from the mists of time before any recorded history that has survived (some ancient philosophers wrote about Atlantis, and a 'crystal technology', and even Neolithic art depicts dowsers in action, along with pictures of their dowsing tools).  So, there was an original 'defacto standard' method and understanding that went with it.  That method is what my guide now terms the 'Advanced' Mode, because originally it was very advanced, and could do more than what Dowsers now use it for.   Over the centuries much was lost, and we only have what has been preserved and carried on by Dowsers.  Due to persecution and fear impressed on people over the ages by those who wanted to control the masses, the Divination side was suppressed and much more was lost, especially in the understanding, of that aspect of the Art.  Those things I am now explaining in a simple manner, as instructed by my guide, for the reader to begin to understand what the potential of the Pendulum really is.

INITIALISING THE PENDULUM FOR 'YES' AND 'NO' RESPONSES

In Information and Spiritual Dowsing Divination you will need to have a movement that means 'yes', and one that means 'no'.  These are fundamental.  As explained in section 2, the user should allow the Pendulum to assign a particular movement to each of 'yes' and 'no', since this will obtain the best sensitivity for the individual due to the fact that the genetic make-up of that particular person is a crucial element in that because of their dynamic energy field.  But, we have also seen that there is confusion of movements ascribed in dowsing, since this is not understood by them.  So, the first-time user should initially - after allowing a couple of seconds for the Pendulum to 'settle' (this is what my guide terms 'log-on') before proceeding after picking it up - instruct the Pendulum to go to Advanced mode.  Then, the instruction "GIVE me a 'Yes', please" should be issued.  Observe which way the Pendulum moves.  This should be either left to right across the body (the Pendulum should be held central in front of the chest, and about 6 inches forward of it), or it will be in and out, at right-angles to the body (which is why there should be sufficient space for that movement, hence the 6 inches).  Next, the instruction, "GIVE me a 'No', please" must be issued.  It is not sufficient to assume that because one way is 'yes' then the other way must therefore be 'no'.  The act of issuing these two instructions is for the 'source' to  assign these two movements and their associated meanings of 'yes' and 'no'.  Again, check that all is in order with this, and that the Pendulum has indeed given a movement that is at right-angles to the previous one.  From that time on, the Pendulum will always respond with those two movements for 'yes' and 'no' respectively, or their equivalent meanings, and those assignments of movements will remain in effect for the rest of that person's life as their default.  Even if the user then at any time after chooses Dowsing 'default' mode for any particular application, the Pendulum will still give those correct movements, and not various ones that dowsers get.

PENDULUM CIRCLING MOVEMENTS

I have already mentioned that the other basic movement of the Pendulum is the circular motion (in either direction).  My guide told me that this movement should be called <searching> because that is the movement that automatically happens in 'Advanced' Mode when the Pendulum is searching in order to then give an answer of 'yes' or 'no' as a result of what it finds.  At the time my guide told me this, and during which time I was using the Pendulum for many tasks that involved searching, I had never heard of Dowsing, nor what dowsers did.  I only knew what my guide had told me (and this turned out many years later to be exactly what dowsers did, plus much more that dowsers did not know about!).  Throughout this course, you will see many references to <search> mode, as understood by Dowsers.  That is NOT the same thing as <searching>.  I would rather term the Dowsers standard <search> mode as <ready> mode, but since it has already become well established in the many books and societies of dowsing practice, I keep to the convention in naming it as <search> as well as <ready> (which some Dowsers now themselves call it) when it applies to L-rods.  The L-rod diviner simply sets his rod(s) to point forward, so that they will be ready to respond as he moves when the required 'target' has been found, thus he is searching in effect.  The Pendulum, however, spins as it performs an actual search, but this spinning motion is the <searching> for the answer to a question and not the <ready> or <search> mode that is used in L-rod or even Pendulum 'prospecting' operations, where the L-rod or Pendulum should be static at that point.   The fact that by the Pendulum circling it shows the user what is being done following a question which requires a search due to there being many variables, can be likened, in a computer analogy,  to the 'hourglass' that appears on screen when the computer is performing a 'save' action, but the computer displays the 'hourglass' while it is in fact searching for the place to put the file, whether there is enough room for it and much, much more that the user is not aware of.  This is equally true of the Pendulum when it is performing its <searching>.  In fact, as my guide has explained to me, the Pendulum works through a kind of 'computer' to access the data it is searching.  It is, of course, not like any computer you might imagine, and is in fact a 'living computer' that can do things you could never dream of. This is a fascinating area of exploration, and you can ask the Pendulum to explain more to you about this by asking questions about the 'computer' and how higher beings use it fro many things, but  it is not central to this discussion, and what is being explained here is simply what is happening.  A further thing that may be noticed from time to time is that during the course of the spinning <searching> motion, the Pendulum may pause very briefly to indicate a 'yes' or a 'no', and then resume its <searching> spin.  This, for the observant user if they note it, is useful to indicate what is happening as the search proceeds.  It occurs in a complex search and is part of the normal function of searching when a straightforward search will not provide the answer – in other words, where there are many variables that need to be taken into account,  since they may interact in a complex way, to arrive at an answer.  So, the occasional pause and slight 'yes' or 'no' indication is simply the 'computer' (as you can imagine it) ticking off each search avenue – " 'Yes', that is ok" ......or...... " 'No', that does not apply here" ... and bearing that in mind you will be able to follow the search pattern with practice, and thus gain additional insight.  If you frequently get such a pattern in the searching for an answer to give you, then it is worthwhile considering how you might simplify your questions, to arrive at answers that will then be intermediate along your questioning line, but also give you far more information as a result for your investigation.

Normally you can expect a clockwise circular motion for <searching>, but occasionally you may encounter an anti-clockwise circling.  This has several meanings, but the main one is still <searching>.  When producing an anti-clockwise motion in searching, the Pendulum is actually searching in a different way than normal, and this may be a search back in 'time' as we know it, through various 'time-frames', but it can be generally regarded as a search through our space in whatever way.  A second meaning of this anti-clockwise movement is called <erase> for simplicity.  It is actually far more than that, and generally means some kind of reorganisation of data at a higher level.  This secondary meaning also indicates that there is a shuffling about (including erase) of data in what you could term (in computer jargon) its 'buffer' concerning the current Question/Answer Session.  Sometimes the Pendulum will not keep a step by step record of each question, for its own reasons, and will therefore make a 'summary' of some kind.  If the Pendulum goes into an anti-clockwise circling when no obvious search can be assumed by the user, then it is often likely that the secondary function is being indicated.  Whichever function it may be, it is simply an indication to inform the user of what is in process.  If you progress to really advanced use of the Pendulum then the circling motion will become more important to you. For the time being however, it is just something that you will gradually get more used to seeing and later working with in Information Dowsing.  Scanning to analyse things in great depth, using<scan> mode, is another advanced feature that exhibits a circular motion when that mode is invoked (this has its own particular characteristics, a widening of the circle and then a diminishing of the circle, as the <scan> proceeds).  As an advanced function it must be used in the proper manner, so it will not be discussed here, except to say that it has numerous applications.  As you can see, from what I have explained here about the circular motion of the Pendulum, it is not a simple function, like 'yes' or 'no' – so, it should not be reprogrammed, although many do this, in their lack of understanding, and so therefore lose much of the Pendulum's versatility.

Some dowsers use the circular motion of the Pendulum as their equivalent of the L-rod <search> mode, and some even use the Pendulum in a lateral swinging motion to "start <search> mode off".   This is wrong!  What is even more wrong, and clearly shows that such dowsers have not even given any thought to the mechanism of the Pendulum, is the fact that they actually physically set the Pendulum swinging, say from side to side, or set it spinning themselves.  The Pendulum is not an old 'crock' or vintage car that needs to be set into action as if starting it with a cranking handle!  There is a reason why they do this, as my guide explained to me with a sigh.  That practice was originally started by some teachers with their dowsing 'newbie' students to give them confidence – the psychology of seeing something happening vigorously, particularly if the student was only getting a barely noticeable movement of the Pendulum when first starting to use it, gives a subliminal burst of initial confidence that they are 'getting somewhere', and the only thing it generates is enthusiasm  at the expense of confusion.  Thus it was, that this action became a habit, and has now become a common practice.  Many dowsing books say that the user should put the Pendulum into <search> mode by setting it into motion (either lateral of circular), and that it will then settle into giving an answer after it has stopped the movement initiated by the Pendulum user.  It is more like the Pendulum will provide an answer after it has stopped being dizzy from the enforced shoving of it into motion!  This totally unnecessary action does not affect accuracy, but I advocate my pupils to ignore such practices, and to be aware when they see them described in dowsing books.  All that is ever needed is to let the Pendulum dangle, and it will either remain like that until it gives a response to a question, or (in the case where there is a good 'rapport' between the user and the Pendulum) a quiescent 'yes' movement, which should be taken as the equivalent of a 'smile' that a friend would have in your presence.  If your Penduum 'smiles' at you in this way, then there may be occasions that demand a quick recognition of a 'yes' when something is found, for example, as you walk forward in a 'dowsing pass'.  In this case, you should instruct the Pendulum to be still until it finds what is being sought (or responds to a question).  In between questions, in an Information Dowsing session, you can avoid any confusion between any two adjacent answers that may be the same movement by simply saying, "Stop please" when you have obtained the answer to a question, before proceeding to the next one, and it will oblige.

In a further section we shall be looking at how the Pendulum can be used in various investigations, both of a scientific nature and in Information Dowsing, so for now I leave it to the reader to think about the L-rod usage described here and to think how those methods can be adapted to the Pendulum (remembering that the L-rod <search> mode is really only a <ready> mode, and the Pendulum's ready mode is just waiting to give a response when required).

USING L-RODS

Traditionally, when searching for things underground and therefore invisible, the method is generally to walk forward slowly holding two L-rods, one in each hand and each rod pointing ahead in what is termed <search mode>, while at the same time the dowsing operator visualises what is sought (water, oil, coins, etc) in a quiet, contemplative frame of mind.  When what is being sought is somewhere in the earth underfoot, at whatever depth it may be, then the rods swivel smartly into <found> position when the dowser is immediately above.  this <found> reaction may be inwards or outwards, depending on the person.  It has been noted that many dowsers in America get a <found> reaction that makes the rods swing outwards, but generally the reaction is an inward swivel (and in this case the rods cross each other, either at 45 degrees or more, and may even completely swivel inwards to touch the body, the extent depending on the operator as the reaction varies with the individual somewhat).

Dowsing is not a haphazard affair, and there are techniques which can be employed to narrow down the direction where the desired 'target' (as it is called) may lie.  This is a vast improvement on what metal detectors can do when people are searching for old roman coins and the like (also, metal detectors can only detect metal, and not other valuable artifacts that may be clay pottery or remains, and certainly not the line of an old roman foundation that may lie beneath), plus the treasure hunter needs to divide a field up into narrow strips and carefully walk the entire length of each strip – often without even finding anything, since metal detection is a guessing affair, based on only assumptions that there may be metal coins in the vicinity due to extant roman ruins or historical records.  The Dowser does not have these problems, since he is able to obtain very accurate data from "information dowsing" prior to the field-work, either by question-answer divination, or by Map Dowsing (these will be discussed later, for students to try these techniques for themselves).

First though, before we proceed any further, the student should familiarise him/her self with the L-rods, and become confident in holding them.

The L-rod, as has been described in the previous section, is made almost always from stiff wire (such as fencing wire, or even more commonly metal coat-hanger wire) and bent into an L-shape, having a short end (about 4 inches) and a long end (about 10 inches).  The long end is held parallel with the ground, generally slightly above waist height.  The short end is gripped by the hand, but not tightly (especially if not sleeved in tubing) so that the horizontal long end is friction-free and can therefore swivel from left to right.  It is more usual to have the short end in a tube that will allow this free movement, and so the tube can be then gripped firmly, otherwise if there is no tubing the wire must be held very loosely to make it friction free; this can produce variable sensitivity and the user tends therefore to worry about whether the grip is slack enough, thus distracting from focussing the 'intent' by visualisation on the task in hand.  I recommend that the user fits tubing for ease of use (the metal or plastic tube of a ball-point pen is often employed for this purpose, again see the previous section for details on L-rod construction).

It will be found that the best position is obtained by holding the elbows in to the side of the body and forming a right-angle between upper arm and forearm.  Each hand then holds an L-rods such that the long end is always parallel with the ground.  If the L-rod is facing slightly upwards or downwards then there will be more difficulty in obtaining a reaction, but the correct parallel position is soon found with a minute or less or practice usually; it will soon come to feel natural.  Spend a few moments getting used to holding an L-rod in your hand, holding it like a pistol.  Let it swivel about as yu hold it to get the feel of how it would move if it was reacting; then  find a position where you can hold it still.  When you have got the 'feel' of handling one rod, spend a few further moments holding 2 L-rods in the manner prescribed.

Now, to get used to the actual <found> reaction from the rods, and to gain confidence, we need a visible 'target' to find at first, before one dashes off looking for invisible things, whatever they may be.  In using a visible 'target' we are not interested in the finding (since we know exactly where it is!) but in the reaction obtained when we reach it by walking slowly towards it).  So, if you are indoors select something that you can test the L-rods with.  The edge of a table, the edge of a carpet, anything that can be passed over and which can be approached at an angle (nearer to a right-angle is best initially, though you can vary this for practice).  If you are outside, say in the garden, then the edge of a path, or edge of a lawn is ideal.  All that remains is to visualise (keep in your mind) what it is that you are 'seeking' and slowly (from about 4 ft, or just over 1 metre) walk towards it with the rods in <search> mode (that is, facing forward at waist height, elbows hugging the side of the hips).  As you come to the edge of the carpet, path, lawn, whatever,  then you will observe the reaction obtained - and therefore the correct <found> reaction for you, which may be for the rods to swivel  outwards or to swivel inwards.  Whichever way it is will be the way it will react in future for you when any desired 'target' is found.

Now, the world is your oyster as they say.  You can search for anything – not only water, minerals etc but also discover many fascinating things both of a scientific nature plus  exploring the esoteric energies of such as ley-lines and standing stones, and much more besides in various fields of interest (pun not intended) such as archaeology and the like.

Dowsing is therefore very often an outdoor pursuit, and is healthy since it involves excursions to interesting places, plenty of fresh air and great interest from all who see you doing it.  Don't be afraid to be seen.  It is a great pastime, and makes many friends, just as walking the dog seems to invariably attract people to talk to you with the dog as the focal point of the conversation, and new horizons will be there for you in many ways as a result.

If you are trying the L-rods out tentatively in your back garden and the next door neighbour peers over the fence, then simply call out cheerfully, "Great tool, this!" and then explain (you'll not need prompting!) what it's all about in one short sentence: "Archaelogists use this in searching for buried treasure-trove – better than the metal detector, quicker results!"  And the neighbour is very likely to invite you in for a coffee, the purpose of which will be to pick your brains - and maybe hope to share in that treasure if you find it, or even make their own dowsing tool to go off and keep the treasure they find for themselves.  Who cares – you have won increased credibility and respect by your use of  this marvellous tool that they see.  The only problem you will have is keeping them at bay, because dowsing is essentially a quiet, contemplative activity, so is generally solitary unless companions appreciate your need for quiet relaxed-concentration.  this idea of being relaxed and focussed at the same time is called having the right 'frame of mind' (and which also has to be positive) by which means success is assured.  So, practice this and visualising at the same time and you will soon become proficient at dowsing with either L-rod or Pendulum).

Accuracy is important, so a dowser always needs an accurate reference.  Simply walking forward and obtaining a <found> reaction is not in itself precise – because where exactly does 'found' mean..... Does it mean between the feet, or where the rods are?  By default it means between the feet, as you come to be over the spot visualised (the edge of a buried wall, or the leading edge of an underground stream, whatever).  Some dowsers specify the tip of the right thumb, but I prefer the default of between the feet, since this is easier to mark by just bending down at that spot and sticking a marker (such as a skewer) into the ground, or chalking it, or similar, if it is a solid surface.  The idea of using the right thumb comes from another technique which will be discussed later, where the hand is held out and the tip of the thumb used as a reference 'sight' (in that case only 1 L-rod is used).  But, as with other 'methods' in Dowsing these things get carried over by people who don't understand them, but they work nevertheless.  However it is much better to know exactly what these things mean in order to avoid any possible confusion, and so I explain these 'carried over' methods and their true meaning wherever appropriate in this course.  To obtain accuracy then, decide on your reference point always, and programmme the L-rods (or your Pendulum) by simply thinking or saying, "Let between my feet be the <found> reference" – and, from then on, it will be the desired accuracy point exactly.  Practice this with a visible 'target' after programming, and as you walk over the 'target' path-edge say, then the rods will swivel to <found> as you come to the point of crossing that boundary.  Turn back and with the L-rods set into <search> mode (facing forward) cross it again, and they will swivel to <found> exactly over the boundary edge.  after obtaining a <found> reaction the rods must always be reset to <search> mode (<ready>) for the next 'dowsing pass' as it is called.

Try, for practice, finding an invisible 'target' – water or gas pipes underground, even telephone or mains supply cabling as it comes into your house.  See if you can find which way it is running.

SINGLE L-ROD USE

A single L-rod is often used as a 'pointer' to locate a 'target', which may be anything desired to be found.  There are two approaches to doing this.  One, is that the dowser can command the L-rod to point to a named 'target', inanimate or animate. The other, is to hold the L-rod in one hand and with the free hand outstretched make a sweep through 360 degrees (or at least in a general area where you expect the 'target' to lie) using the thumb as a reference point.  When the thum aligns with the 'target' then the rod will swivel to its normal <found> position, which will be the same direction as if 2 L-rods were being employed, and all you have to do then is peg your present position and, noting where the thumb aligns to, walk in that direction.  You can even use the L-rod as you walk (a third function) to keep you on line with your target, by instructing it to do just that, which I call <follow> mode.  If you should walk 'off line' then the L-rod will veer at an angle and thus indicate the correction you should take to get back onto the invisible line towards your 'target', just like steering a car by following a pointer.  The L-rods (as with the Pendulum) can be programmed for whatever is required, and it only takes practice and thoughtfulness to accomplish any task in dowsing with accuracy.  Many dowser use the word 'command' which is perfectly fine, since a dowser always has respect in using his tools, but I prefer the word 'instruct' when it comes to such as programming the L-rods or Pendulum, especially for the beginner.  It is vital to have respect, and to use the word "please" in instructions to reinforce this in the mind, as well as giving respect to the 'source' that provides the information through those tools.  I also encourage the user to say "thank you" when the L-rod or Pendulum responds, whenever appropriate, or at least think with the right 'frame of mind' at all times, to ensure success.

To gain some initial practice with a single L-rod, you can practice in your own home.  Do this first with a few visible 'targets' to obtain skill and confidence.  Holding the L-rod in the correct manner, stand with a different orientation to where the desired 'target' is located.  In other words, select <search> mode with the rod facing forward.  Then instruct it to point to the desired target, which it will then do.  Try a few more in this manner – say a window, or door, or TV, or fireplace, whatever you like.  As a variation, ask it to point to the left-hand side of the 'target', and then to the right-hand side of the 'target'.  If you do this, you will see it move from pointing to the left of the window, or whatever, to then point to the right of it.  Then, try a 'target' that is not visible.  This may be an item in another room or even upstairs.  If the item is upstairs then the L-rod will point in the relative direction (in other words, where it would be if a line was projected vertically downwards from its location, and the L-rod will find that point).  If you try locating your pet, then be aware that he or she may well be on the move as you instruct the L-rod to point to it.  More than a few beginning dowsers have been surprised to see the L-rod point in a particular direction and then slowly shift laterally, effectively 'tracking' the animal as it moves!  If your pet is crossing the garden at the time, then by going to the window you can actually see it doing that.  If your pet has got out, and you wish to find it but haven't got a clue where it might have gone, then get out your L-rod and ask it to 'point' in the direction where the animal is (or, if it is a small child that has gone off somewhere and you are worried in case the child has wandered towards a busy main road then use your 'intuition' combined with the L-rod to quickly get a 'fix' on its whereabouts) and it will be found.  this technique does not work in tracking people if they have a right to privacy (the case of a small child is obviously of concern to the responsible parent, so is different – but a teenager has road sense and also has a right to privacy, so don't expect the L-rod to tell you where the missing teenager is hanging out, unless you clearly have a 'need to know', and the L-rod (or Pendulum, if you instruct it to 'point' in a similar manner) will decide that, not  you!

DOWSING SMALL 'TARGETS' with an L-rod

While the technique of using the thumb in directional dowsing with one L-rod (or Pendulum) is ideal for aligning, a different technique is required for small 'targets'.  You can use an L-rod to locate house wiring or water pipes  concealed in walls.  I have done this many times, with great accuracy.  And, on one occasion, when I was having my house rewired and the electrician could not locate the wires with his fancy electronic 'detector' I used dowsing technique to find and trace the wiring for him, to his amazement.  His time was, after all, costing me money - but more importantly it was a chance to show him what dowsing could really achieve, since we had been chatting about it in general.  His scepticism vanished never more to return when the circuit had been accurately traced by me holding a pencil in my free hand and drawing a line following the location of the concealed wiring beneath the plaster.  A finger can also be used to search for things concealed behind a surface to get a rough idea, but a pencil will give pin-point accuracy and is immediately handy to mark the spot or trace a line.  Visualise the 'target' (electric wiring, gas piping or water piping as the case may be) as you do this.  Where several wires or pipes run parallel there will be a leading and trailing edge as you cross them, so double-check your findings bearing this possibility in mind.

PENDULUM DOWSING OF SMALL 'TARGET'

With some 'targets' it is more practical to use a Pendulum, especially if you have to stoop down to either mark (if you are using a stick to point with in your free hand) or if you are using a finger or pencil as a pointer.  Locating joists under floorboards (or in a ceiling) is such a case.  Visualise what a joist looks like and with the intent in your mind of locating that, instruct the Pendulum to give you a 'yes' when your finger or pencil or whatever is on 'target'.  In this way 'look' for the edges of the joist and mark the positions found.  With joists under floorboards this is easy to do, since joists run at right-angles to the run of the floorboards, and are invariably equally spaced apart.  So, as a practice you can check the joist positions in your house.  Using the Pendulum in this way, it is important to ensure that the Pendulum is more or less in front of you, otherwise readings can be confusing (see section one for more details about this, and the 'relative position' exercises in that section should be done before trying to work in an unusual position – if you cannot hold the Pendulum in front of you, then you should check carefully with "Give me a 'Yes', please..."Give me a 'No', please", at whatever position you find you need to hold the Pendulum in to ensure you will recognise it's response accurately).  Working 'close to the ground'  here refers to 'virtual' ground - i.e. floorboards above the absolute ground level).  If you are dowsing with a Pendulum (or even L-rods) close to earth itself then be aware that close proximity to soil or terra-firma has an earthing-effect and will cause the tool to malfunction so in such a a case (normally outside, but will apply to solid floors laid on an earth base also, more than floorboards may do) a stick should be used to enable the dowsing operator to be in a normal dowsing position, and it is a good idea if the tip has a spike to mark the ground at a spot when found, or a chalk or thick felt-tipped pen attached to it for the purpose of marking the spot if dowsing alone, otherwise a companion can do the marking.

Where a spot can not easily be marked in the manner just described then once again the Pendulum proves its versatility, especially in confined spaces.  Remember though, that if you should let go of the Pendulum at any time, then, when you hold it again, the Pendulum will invariably need a couple of seconds to 'settle' again and log-on to the user before proceeding with the next dowsing operation as you continue to trace whatever it is you seek in this way.   This type of operation often requires you to proceed slowly and carefully – especially since you need to maintain the right 'frame of mind' and a few seconds recomposure to focus your visualisation again may be required until you become adept.  But attention to these details will ensure accuracy - and that is what matters.

LONG-DISTANCE DOWSING

The L-rod can locate an object at any distance, no matter how far.  It can be used to 'target' (don't forget to visualise it!) and point to such as a school, a public house, the local library etc – all from whatever your present location may be.  It can be instructed to point to a city or town many miles away, however great the distance may be it will find that  location relative to your position.  Be aware, in this, that some towns have the same name so be sure to specify the state or county (as you would also need to do if seeking a town using an internet search engine).  Similarly, by instructing the L-rod accordingly and visualising the 'target' all the while, the leading and trailing edges or banks of a river, relative to your position, can be 'point fixed' just as if you were drawing a line on a map.   This latter technique is employed when dowsing for ley-lines.  It is easy to visualise something such as water, but invisible 'energy rivers' (which is what aerial ley-lines are) are not so easy to visualise for some.  So, a good technique in this case, is to visualise the ley-line as a river of energy, but coloured in order to make a clear visualisation 'picture' in your mind.  Generally, the 'Michael' and 'Mary' ley-lines that run from Land's End to Norfolk and which come together in places are often visualised by dowsers as two distinct rivers of 'colour'. The Michael (yang) ley-line can be visualised as a scintillating river of silver, and the Mary (yin) ley-line as a scintillating river of blue.  When attempting to track these ley-lines of earth energies it has been found that these rivers of energy can be up to 22 paces wide, so that should be born in mind, and the exact 'width' can be ascertained by dowsing for leading and trailing edges as you cross the lines in succesive dowsing passes from time to time, and in between such passes you can follow the course of the 'river' by using <pointer> mode with one L-rod and follow the track of the ley-line (see elsewhere in this section for details of how to follow a 'route').

Much information is available now, thanks to dowsers over the years, regarding ley-lines, the most famous of which is the Michael and Mary ley-lines to Hopton on the Norfolk coast and many dowsers track those lines from their start at Land's End, proving the consistent accuracy of L-rods and Pendulums.  It has to be stressed to the beginner, that dowsers do not check the accuracy of the L-rod or Pendulum as such, but instead are constantly reassured that it is accurate as they follow what others have done.  So when they come to discover new things, they can proceed with confidence, and note their careful findings for other dowsers to then explore themselves.  In this way, it has been discovered that there are over 300 Sacred Sites and Medieval churches exactly aligned along the undulating and intertwining route of those rivers of energy – so the people of ancient times obviously knew the exact location of these ley-lines in order to build precisely on them, and must have used the very same dowsing tools in order to locate those invisible energies.  There is much further evidence that dowsers worked with great accuracy in those ancient times, in the way that Sacred sites were actually built, the formations and alignment not only of them but of certain features in Medieval churches with respect to those lines of energy and which have been found to be consistent at every site.  These things and more will be explored in later sections for the reader to learn about and investigate for themselves.

We have seen, how a single L-rod can do many things in locating objects of any size or at any distance (even an aeroplane's position can be plotted by this means if the flight plan is known and the aircraft ID etc - but the location of the "nearest aeroplane", for example, can be located by simply asking the L-rod or Pendulum to 'point' in that direction).  And, as I have mentioned earlier, animals can be located even if they are in another town, and the direction given.  But, again remember, that it will not locate a person or track them unless there is a specific 'need to know'.  This is a rule that the L-rods and Pendulum follow strictly, and will refuse to release that information unless it is your business to know, and especially it must not restrict the Free Will of the person being sought.  So, whatever you may think is the 'source' that gives information to cause the L-rods or Pendulum to move, one thing is certain – they work for the good of Humanity, not for any selfish, or self-seeking or controlling aim of an individual.  Neither, incidentally, can they be used for gambling, or to obtain Lottery winnings or any such aim.  

The L-rod or Pendulum will however sometimes work to find missing people in the hands of a professional dowser (who naturally observes those rules) or one working purely for the good of Humanity in providing a service and who does this in a very responsible manner; the 'source' would know whether the dowser could be entrusted with the information if the person being sought was not in great danger and therefore had a right to their Free Will not to be found, and so the dowser would either not release the information or only give the general area.  A top dowser is likely to have at least a degreee of telepathic communication with the 'source' and would be told anyway whether the information should be released or not.  But, a responsible dowser would ask questions with the L-rod or Pendulum to ascertain this anyway.

Although I have said that the 'source' does not permit the use of the L-rod or Pendulum for selfish gain, this does not include the providing of a service, whether it be finding a missing person, water, oil, minerals or whatever.  So, if the dowser is skilled then a fee can be charged for that valuable service, and is not considered as selfish monetary gain but rather payment for the person's dowsing skills. In fact, most dowswers don't even think about the money in doing their work.  What they receive in payment is due to the excellence of the service they provide and the gratitude of the client who has often been saved much expense as a result.

The beginner has to gain not only proficiency but also exhibit proven responsibility in the way they use their dowsing skills before the L-rods or Pendulum will work in very Advanced ways, but the basic dowsing techniques will work for all who are diligent and keen to learn, since the 'source' recognises this and will oblige by being accurate for the dowser who will have the right 'frame of mind', positive attitude, and above all respect for his dowsing tools and the 'source' that provides the information, whatever that information may be.  The bottom line in dowsing is that it is an Art/Science for learning and with that approach the dowser will progress well in developing and using his or her skills in those endeavours.

As final examples, in this section, of what the single L-rod can do in direction finding... it can be used as a Compass or to show the way home if you are lost in a strange area.  So, you will never be lost again.  To use it as a compass, simply instruct it to point to the North (magnetic or true) or to the Great Bear Constellation and the North Star, whichever you prefer in the circumstances for navigation.  To find your way home, instruct it to do just that, saying "Give me the direction of my route home as we go, please" and then just follow where it points.  It will know the best route for you, whether it be over hill and dale, or along various roads that will lead most quickly and easily to your desired destination (home or a town, or a place of inhabitation where you can obtain food and rest, as you choose).  As you walk simply follow the pointing rod, and when you come to where you will need to change direction (maybe along a different road or path) then the pointer will turn to indicate the new direction you should take.  If you should, for some reason, miss your turning and be continuing in what is now the wrong direction, then the L-rod will spin back in order to show you that you have passed the turning point.  So, turn around, and follow where it points and note more carefully when it changes to point in a different direction and follow that course.  If you should repeatedly cross and re-cross where you are supposed to have turned then the L-rod will assume you are belittling its intelligence, and you may end up not getting a reaction until you think better of your actions and attitude.  Only when the L-rod (and this applies to the Pendulum also) is satisfied that you have respect for its help will it comply, so a sincere apology would be a good first step in the right direction.  Even better, don't try it on it in the first place if you want to be a dowser – it's definitely not the right way to go!

In Section 4 we shall be following on to look at Information (and Spiritual) Dowsing – to see how L-rod and Pendulum users can do this, and what the essentials are.

-- End of Section 3 –

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

[S.2 == BUYING OR MAKING L-RODS AND PENDULUM ==----- plus, other essential information and tips.----- also – Addresses of Dowsing Associations.]

S.2 == BUYING OR MAKING  L-RODS  AND  PENDULUM ==
----- plus, other essential information and tips.
----- also – Addresses of Dowsing Associations.

This section explains how to make your own L-rods and Pendulums – the two Dowsing tools that we shall be using in this course.  Even if you only intend to use one type, it is advised to make both, since this is very quick and easy to do, and a better understanding of Dowsing in general will then be obtained by at least some practice with both.   Basically, an L-rod will swivel, and a Pendulum will swing or gyrate, in giving an indication.

L-rods and Pendulums can actually be purchased from Dowsing Societies (a list of which is given in this course material).  But here I shall describe how you can make your own, cheaply and effectively  from simple materials even if, like myself, you feel you have little or  no practical skill.

Sizes in this section are given in inches.  For those using centimtres, 1 inch = 2.54 centimeters.
So (approx)...
4in = 10cm, 5in=12.5cm, 10in=25cm.

THE L-RODS

For many applications 2 L-rods are used, although some applications only require one.

An L-rod (or 'Angle-rod') is, as the name implies, of an L-shape, and can be made by bending stiff wire into that shape.  The wire can be cut from a metal coat-hanger, or fencing-wire, thick electrician's  earth-bonding wire or thick piano wire.

The rod is made by bending a piece of stiff wire (length 14 inches) to a sharp right-angle, a long side (10 inches) and a short side (4 inches) being obtained.  The short side is to be held in the hand so should preferably be sleeved.  The sleeving can be such as the plastic or metal casing tube of a ball-point pen.  Tubing can also generally be purchased at most aeroplane-model shops in a wide range of sizes and diameters, as can also be purchased there thick  piano wire.  The L-rod can actually be of plastic or metal, but metal is preferred since it is quick to fashion, and the metal coat-hanger is often readily found in most people's wardrobes – in fact, many a fireman has saved lives when searching in the rubble of collapsed buildings for buried survivors by using L-rods fashioned in seconds  this way and dowsing for them because speed and therefore time saving accuracy is of the essence in those situations.

Since the whole idea of the L-rod is to be as friction-free as possible so that when held in the hand the long side can swival horizonally, one must either hold it very loosely and ensure that the knuckles and fleshy top of the hand do not impede the swivelling movement of the long arm of the rod, or – and this is obviously better – the short end can be sleeved with tubing.  Depending on the amount of play due to the size of wire compared with the tubing, grommets may be found useful to pass the wire through for both ends of the tubing. to keep the wire central and friction free.  Additionally, the end of the short span, where it comes out of the bottom of the tubing, can be bent over for retention of the tubing, since a loose tube is easily lost – especially if dowsing in a field and it slips off for any reason.

The above procedure should be repeated for the second L-rod - and then you have your complete tool, the two L-rods, ready for use.

NOTE: Some Dowsers use a longer than 10 inch swivel-end, but 10 inches will be found practical for all normal situations, and could be made up to 2 inches smaller for portability – say, for carrying in a pocket, or if used by a small person or child.   Incidentally, it has been proven that children learn to Dowse very accurately within minutes of picking up their first dowsing rod, compared with adults who often have doubts as to their ability to dowse successfully.  Several famous people in history, it is documented, were taught dowsing with L-rods or Pendulum as a child, and went on to make new astounding discoveries in science and other fields, invariably crossing new frontiers, thus benefiting Mankind enormously in his evolution.

THE PENDULUM

A Pendulum can be purchased from New Age shops, or places that sell esoterica.  Generally speaking, any shop that sells Tarot cards (apart from bookshops, which also tend to stock Tarot cards these days) will often stock a range of Pendulums.  In the UK, for example, there is often at least one shop in every large town that will sell Pendulums, and even very small towns now have such shops – in fact many indoor markets and precinct shopping centres in the UK  are a good place to look for one, so readily available are they.  In other countries they may be less easily available, especially where the small shop is now dying out and being replaced by large stores, so the suburbs and small towns are a better bet in certain  countries to buy them.  In some countries you simply cannot find one (largely due to religious restrictions) or at least not without great difficulty, sadly.  Thus, the Internet or other Esoteric Mail Order suppliers are now a growing source.  Prices can vary widely if buying on the Internet, and this is not because of the types stocked but because those sources offer Pendulum as "specially designed for superb accuracy" at often astounding prices to match the claims.  There is no need to pay a lot of money for your Pendulum, and in the UK it is possible to buy a glass or crystal one from £2 upwards in a local market, or £7 for a superb Crystal Pendulum (equivalent to $3.25 to $11.50 US approx) compared with up to $200 charged by one Internet 'specialist' supplier of Pendulums (and L-rods) that I have seen.  Most Dowsing Societies can supply Pendulums at a reasonable price, as well as telling you where your nearest society is located if there is none in your immediate area.  Addresses, phone numbers (and even email addresses for some societies) are given at the end of this section, for the main Dowsing Societies in several countries.

If you are purchasing a Pendulum, then it is always better to handle  and get the 'feel' of it before buying.  Ask to see several, because one of them will very likely strike your as feeling just right for you – your intuition will tell you, and you will be attracted to it.  The 'defacto "New Age" standard' for Divination Pendulums is the clear quarz crystal because of the excellent attunement properties to psychic-vibrations that is inherent in the crystal lattice structure.  In fact, science uses crystal for electronic applications (such as transmitters and watches) because of its superb accuracy in frequency modulation.  Crystal also can be obtained in other 'colours' or types, such as amethyst and cover a wide spectrum right down to black.  Each has its own properties in healing or attunement to cause calming or aid memory and many other things.  The shop assistant will be more than happy to explain the various properties and types, since most who sell them are expert in that field, and shopping for a Pendulum in those sort of shops can be an extremely pleasurable experience not to be rushed.

Because a Pendulum is a very personal thing, I have collected quite a few over the years to show to pupils and for them to get a 'feel' for what suits them best, and these range in size and type.  I have, for example, a wooden one made of beech, for chakra diagnosis because wood reacts best to chakra energies, and should be lightweight for wide responsiveness.  In a few applicatioins wood is preferable to crystal when measuring such as lithon power in the energies transmitted by standing stones since it has been proven that quartz crystal absorbs (damps) energy rather than reacting to it (for this reason many dowsers use L-rods in that application - and a Pendulum would, in any case, have to be heavier than the lightweight beech one for use outdoors otherwise it would be affected by wind currents).

When I go to a shop and look at Pendulums, I always test each one to see if it will work well.  After all, no matter how nice it may look (or what properties it may inherently possess), it is a tool and must function efficiently.  Since I am experienced, I can get all types of Pendulum to work that will work, whereas a novice will only get a good response from the 'right' one for them.  Typically, a big person will generally find a bigger Pendulum best, and vice-versa, though this is not invariable since it also has to do with the receptivity of that person.  But, some Pendulums just will not work, hence the reason for handling them in the shop, to make sure you get the best one for you.  The reason why a Pendulum will sometimes be found not to work is because of it having received an 'imprint' from someone having handled it (or more likely used it) previously.  The subject of imprints on objects in general will be discussed in the appropriate section, where investigation methods will be demonstrated.  If a previous person  had handled that Pendulum more then relatively briefly and was very negative, or had the wrong 'intent' (having the right intent is vital in using a Pendulum correctly) then the Pendulum may well malfunction or even fail to respond.  So, I have a simple procedure which I employ at the shop counter (and which anyone can obtain a result with, even if going to buy their first Pendulum without any training).

The procedure to test a Pendulum to see if it will work is simply this:  

Hold the Pendulum between thumb and forefinger (index), firmly but not too tightly and give it a couple of seconds to 'settle' and for you also to settle into a relaxed 'contemplative' mood, so don't feel rushed or allow yourself to be pressured.  Feel calm, unhurried, and let the sounds of the world around you recede into the distance as you admire the qualities of what you hold in your hand.  You are in there to buy with your good money, and you should only buy if it feels right, whatever it is you are purchasing in any case.  In that kind of shop, especially, people take their time.

Think the following questions/statements while holding the Pendulum in front of you (about 6 inches away from your chest) in turn.....

1:  "Give me a 'yes', please" ...
followed by
2:  "Give me a 'no', please"
---- and then:
3:  "Will you work for me?"  (or "Will you work for God?")
---- and finally:
4:  "Circle, please"

After each question/statement observe the movement, if any.  If there is no movement then it may not respond for you and is not suitable.  Some sort of movement should occur, however small – and, in fact, as you test a number of Pendulums at the shop counter in this way, you will find some have a bigger movement than others.  Select your Pendulum as a compromise between size of movement and how it 'feels' to you.  Size of movement will increase with practice as you gain rapport with your Pendulum anyway, but affinity is very important, how you feel drawn to it, so go by your intuition in making your choice.

Don't worry about people noticing it move – that's what it's expected to do, otherwise it would not be a Pendulum.  At this stage the fact that it does move is more important than the direction it moves in.  But observe which direction it moves when asking question 1. "Give me a 'yes', please".  And observe that it moves in a different direction to question 2. "Give me a 'no', please".  Remember the direction it responded to the 'yes' (question1)... because in question 3, "Will you work for me?" (or God, if you prefer to word it that way) you clearly want a 'yes' response (whatever movement direction that was)... otherwise it is not for you, and if it will not oblige then put it down to one side, out of the way.  Question 4, "Circle, please" is a final test, to see if it will indeed comply with instructions given.  As we shall see later, there are two basic movements, swinging (side to side and at right-angles to that movement) plus circling (either clockwise or counter-clockwise).  Hopefully the Pendulum will have performed those movements in that test, but can be programmed easily to work correctly in any case later, so don't worry about it.  Later sections will explain about programming, and also why dowsers often have different meanings for the various movements in what we shall call 'default' dowser mode, as opposed to 'Advanced' Mode which is consistent and has much greater potential also.

MAKING YOUR OWN PENDULUM

Even if you have already made your own Pendulum, reading through this part may give some additional pointers for improving it.  Your Pendulum weight should ideally be symmetrical so that it hangs well.  Although many things can be used as a weight and will work after a fashion, the object being used as the weight will not work best if it is too long (such as a mortice key) since the weight is distributed along its length and can cause erratic movement.  Similarly, a disk-shaped weight (such as a medallion) will tend to exhibit 'spin' or erratic movement even when stationary, and this behaviour will be magnified when the Pendulum swings, so can make it at best difficult to read its movement; it can even cause the Pendulum to produce the opposite movement to that intended, a 'no' for a 'yes'.  How the Pendulum looks is also very important, not only to give a good impression to anyone who sees you using it but also how it looks reinforces in your mind what its purpose is, an instrument of precision and worth of great respect because of the 'source' that provides the information to you.  So, although a bathplug on the end of a chain will actually work to some useful extent (depending on the weight of the plug, metal being better than rubber) it may well produce peals of laughter if not derision from an onlooker who may already be skeptical.  And, it should be aesthetically pleasing to you.  For this reason, crystal is ideal for a weight, as well as possessing excellent 'attuning' qualities and a thing of beauty.

The 'thread' of whatever material used to hang the Pendulum weight should not be too thick, and certainly not too heavy that it becomes part of the weight if sensitive movement is to be obtained.  A fine chain is ideal, and also a thing of aesthetic beauty, but generally a piece of fine string (coloured would be nice) can be used.  Cotton thread and cat gut, fishing line or similar will work well (and catgut is often supplied with cheaper Pendulums that are sold) but a problem with fine thread (and fine chain also) is that they very easily tangle so that when you come to pick it up the first thing that has to be done is to untangle knots – so not the best start, since a calm and contemplative state of mind is necessary for best operation of the Pendulum, and frustration does not lead to that!  Nylon stranded thread is not ideal, since it has inherent springiness in use that can interfere with the movement (and that type of thread also tangles very easily); a further factor with nylon, or indeed any synthetic thread is that it has a great potential to produce electrostatic charge and this will reduce the sensitivity of the Pendulum.  A note here, whilst on the subject of tangling and particularly electrostic charge, is that you should avoid storing your Pendulum where these conditions can arise.  A little pouch is ideal (and again aesthetically pleasing) to keep your Pendulum in when not in use, but this should not be a synthetic material.  I have several small puches – these cotton and silk pouches are great to slip into a small pocket.  For hanging round the neck I have a leather pouch (a purse type) and also a Native American Indian moccasin type skin pouch with tassles.  A 'feels good' factor is important in keeping the right 'frame of mind' at all times.

Whatever type of 'threaad' or chain you decide on, the next important thing is attaching it securely to the weight.  Some people have used machine-nuts and washers, simply because they have holes in them and several can be put together to make up the required weight (which, for most people will be between 2.5 and 12.5 grammes – that is, up to half an ounce).  This is fine for establishing what feels the right weight for you and produces a good firm swing, but is not aesthetically pleasing to look at, though useful in any 'emergency'.  Don't limit yourself to something that already has a hole in it, since it is very easy to fix a thread to anything by means of expoxy-resin', superglue' or similar.  A chain is best being fixed into an eyelet, either via its last link or using wire (and possibly expoxy-resin also).  If the weight is wood it is easy to screw an eyelet into it, but check that it will be symmetrical in the way it hangs.  Many hardware shops sell interesting litle and even tiny knobs for cupboard doors in a wide range of metal and wood designs, and these can look quite good as a Pendulum weight with an eyelet screwed or firmly glued to facilitate attaching the thread, or the thread attached by epoxy-resin direct.

The length of thread is the next point to consider.  In Dowsing, a cord length of up to 2 feet is sometimes used, and this is called 'Long Pendulum' dowsing; the long cord techniques are used to determine what materials are being investigated, and certain lengths will produce a 'yes' response if that material under investigation has the required composition that the Pendulum operator has in mind and is visualising while testing for this, and there is even an 'established length' to determine sex – all this according to a table set out and arrived at by investigation by top dowsers over the years.  Since there are much better, quicker and easier ways of determining all these things by Information Dowsing techniques the 'long thread' methods are interesting scientifically, but not necessary.  So, a much shorter thread can be used.  Typically, it will be found that a 9 inch cord length will produce good results, and a shorter length of 6 inches will also be found useful (especially for Map Dowsing, where space is limited, due to working at a table).  Another factor that should be born in mind, is comfort in use.  Just holding up the Pendulum can cause arm fatigue, so the arm should be supported since better results are otained through many questions and this can take considerable time for a particular session.  Sitting down at a table with the elbow resting on it, and the arm suitably angled to enable the weight at the end of the Pendulum to by in line with the chest area should be practiced, and the length of cord needed thus established for that application.  Sitting down in an easy chair with soft armrests is conducive to good long sessions without fatigue, since the elbow can similarly be rested on the arm of the chair; again, observe the most suitable cord length in that situation.  Thus, it will be seen that one fixed length may not be appropriate all the time, and so I would recommend a length of about 12 inches, and that the user wrap the excess around the hand.  The method of holding the Pendulum cord is between thrumb and the adjacent forefinger, in a firm but relaxed manner but not too tightly since this will tense up the muscles and can interfere with the Pendulum's responses (the Pendulum works by reacting to tiny nerve  impulses that are transmitted to the fingers to cause very precise movement via the muscles automatically without conscious effort).  Having a 12 inch cord length is also useful as an adaptation of the 'counting' method that is part of the 'long Pendulum' technique.  In using the Pendulum for counting in this way (particularly for establishing how deep below the surface something may be that has been found) the Pendulum is let to slip between the fingers and then regripped every so often.  When a 'yes' response is obtained, then the required depth has been reached proportional to the cord length as divided up into sections by having first marked it in some way in equal divisions (say of 1 inch).  If you are using chain, then you could tie a plastic bead at those divisions.  White string is ideal if you are planning on using it for that kind of thing at any time, or as an  experiment, and then you can colour the thread in alternate 1 inch bands (say, in red – or some other easily seen colour).  Then all that you have to do is 'read off' the depth according to the scale you have assigned (which can be anything that you choose).  However, as I 've said, there are much easier ways of ascertaining these things, and a simple series of questions will soon find the depth, "Is it greater than 6 feet?"........Is it less than 3 feet?" etc. will soon give you the answer.

So, I would suggest that buying a Pendulum or making one that is aesthetically pleasing are the best options.  But just quickly making one from the right sort of materials that will work is also useful to try various experiments in addition to using your regular Pendulum, if a different material for the weight is required or a longer thread.

A final useful tip, if you are making your own (or if the one you have bought does not have this) is to put a bobble (duffle-coat button or a bead) on the end.  Then, if you are working with the full length, it can be held easier by the end without danger of it slipping out of your fingers.  Any time that you let go of the thread you need to allow a couple of seconds for it to settle when you hold it again – this is for it to identify you, and this 'log on' is necessary for correct results.

AN EXPERIMENT
WITH  YOUR EM-FIELD AND THE PENDULUM.

The Pendulum is a precision instrument, and responds dynamically in what dowsers term a 'reflex mechanism' through the body.  It has been well proven that the Pineal and adrenal glands are important in the detection of an invisible 'target' that the dowser is thinking of, or for the input of information via the 'Higher Self'  (that term coined by Guy Underwood, the man considered to be the doyen of dowsing).  Scientific experiments have proved that when a metal plate is placed in front of these glands it is not possible to dowse.   I have also found,  in my own experience, that if the Pendulum is used close to the ground this will usually severely 'damp' its response, producing weak or even spurious responses – so it is best not sitting on the ground while using the Pendulum for best results as it may be 'earthed' out.  The effect of this will very from person to person, and may also depend on whether it is true 'earth' point, or some height above it (for example, when close to floorboards suspended on joists).  Therefore, it is a good idea to try this out for yourself, and see what results you get, and in that way get to know the amount of latitude you can have yourself when using your Pendulum.

In addition to this, I have personally proven that where the Pendulum is held in relation to the body affects the direction of its movement also in a given response of 'yes' or 'no'.  The student can ascertain for him/her own self what happens, as I have found out.  For me, 'yes' is a side to side movement and this is achieved when the Pendulum is held directly in front of the body (at chest level preferably) and about 6 inches away.  Whichever response ('yes' or 'no') gives you the side-side movement select this by asking for that response.  In my case, then, I would ask, "Give me a 'yes', please".  For this experiment I would ask (in my case) "Keep giving me a 'yes', until I tell you to stop, please".  The objective here, is to move the Pendulum around the body, first to the left and then to the right side – so, it will be convenient when moving the Pendulum around to the left to hold the Pendulum in the left hand, and vice-versa when moving around to the right-hand side.   So, now, having obtained that side-side swing for yourself (holding the Pendulum in the left hand for this part), slowly move the Pendulum towards the left side of your body, while keeping the same relative distance away from the body,  It will be noticed that as you slowly move the Pendulum following the line of the body round (you may find it helpful to do this in little steps, a few degrees at a time, stopping momentarily to ensure that the Pendulum does not jiggle about due to arm movement) that the angle of the swing changes gradually from side-to-side (relative to front facing) to being in-out relative to where you are viewing from.  Thus, it can be seen that the Pendulum takes a tangent to the body, but it does not however follow the body's actual contours but rather it follows the electromagnetic field of the aura which varies in shape according to various factors to do with the emotions of the person, and particularly how much that person is cared for and cares for others.  For this reason it may, relatively, change angle more at some positions than others.  Now, repeat the experiment, this time holding the Pendulum with the right hand, and proceed to move it slowly around to the right-hand side of the body.  The results should follow a similar pattern.  A seeming oddity that can occasionally occur in this verification experiment is that an individual may find at one or more certain points the direction of swing changes suddenly in a small area from its relative side-side movement to right angles to it (in-out, relative, in other words) and which I term a 'spigot'.  This is, I have found to be, a response to an imbalance in the aura due to emotional 'damage' typically.  If this phenomenon should be exhibited then a session with a Reiki practitioner should be considered as that will help balance the aura considerably amongst other benefits that will be obtained from the treatment.  Reiki helps start the process of de-conditioning that will assist inner-development, by tuning the chakras and producing detoxification.  The Pendulum is, in itself, a great help in inner-development when used in a 'spiritual' context (Advanced Mode) through Question-Answer sessions - though that beneficial effect I mention does not apply as dramatically in  Tradional Dowsing ('Default') Mode, but nevertheless is an excellent foundation by helping to centre the person and removing some conditioning 'baggage' in preparation as well as as establishing a good connection with the Pendulum (and indeed with its counterpart, the L-rod, also).

The object of the above verification experiment is essentially to note that if the Pendulum is moved relative to front position, then a side-side movement (and indeed an in-out movement) will appear to be at some angle in between the two possible for 'yes' and 'no'.  A point may be reached at any stage where there can be confusion between the two possible answers, and therefore the 'wrong' answer may be mistakenly assumed to be correct.  Dowsers do not appear to have done any research on this, but they have instead assumed that the Pendulum may change its direction from day to day, so they advise that the operator of the Pendulum check at the start of each session with the usual "Give me a 'yes', please" to get an accurate reference.  This is the problem with methods that have simply been 'passed on' especially from assumptions made by the average user, which may then become adopted by others.  While this is not the only factor that can cause wrong results, it is the most common one, and is largely caused by careless positioning of the Pendulum, often as a result of sloppy posture when sitting especially.  If you imagine the skeletal framework of the body as being an 'antenna' then you will remember to keep the body straight when using the Pendulum, so if sitting then sit upright, never slouch back or forward or lean sidewise while using the Pendulum, nor should you cross your legs because this can effectively short-out the minor chakras at the kneecaps and thus cause a temporary imbalance.   The bottom line is, if you understand what your Pendulum is doing then you will know what the movements are, and therefore not be prone to misreading them.  As you become more experienced you will find that you can use the Pendulum with slight latitude, and a very experienced user can work with the Pendulum in any position reliably, as I can.  But I would suggest the beginner to adhere strictly to the guidelines I have stated above, until they are very sure and have gained considerable experience.  I rather suspect that this overlooking of relative positions by dowsers has come about by experienced dowsers keeping their 'secrets' to themselves, and just giving out general 'failsafe' guidelines to learners which has in time become 'defacto standard'.  Part of my intention in this course is to blow apart the mysticism that has been perpetuated by top Dowsers, and in so doing the reader will now have the opportunity to become expert themselves with diligent practice, instead of the true advanced  skills remaining in the hands of an elite few.  So, in various parts of the course, as appropriate to aid understanding, I shall clear away some of the 'fog' that is contained in traditional explanations of certain methods (these being mainly to do with certain movements of the Pendulum).  The 'Traditional Dowsing methods work accurately, even in the 'fog' of differing movements etc provided one follows a particular convention, but the reader will be better able to later read and cross-relate to any dowsing book, so limitation is therefore taken away and the potential for exploration with any application will be greatly improved to the extent that new advances become ever more possible in this well established art/science as a result if more people really understand what it is all about, rather than assuming because someone 'said so'.  This course material is therefore longer because of full explanations, whereas it would have been so easy to just write a few lines of set 'failsafe guidelines' which would fall short of giving the best 'kick start'  to the true potential achievable by the student who diligently works through this material in a positive and receptive frame of mind.  As any good Dowsing book will tell you, "Frame of mind is everything" – and that, in fact, is the watchword of the professional, so well worth emulating.  How many times does the professional golfer, or any other top sportsman, say on missing what should have been an easy shot, "I wasn't in the right frame of mind that time".  the right frame of mind for Dowsing is the contemplative state (scientific tests done which have proved this are outlined in section 1, and also in other sections as appropriate).  So,  just as the expert golfer relaxes and contemplates before taking his shots so should the dowser if he wants to be expert – it's as easy as that; just being in the right frame of mind makes all the difference.

== ADDRESSES OF DOWSING SOCIETIES ==

The following are some addresses which are a representative list from dowsing societies worldwide.  If there is not a society near you listed here, then you will be able to find other societies that may be nearer by contacting one of those on this list.

Many Dowsing Societies can provide Pendulums and L-rods, often by post, at very reasonable prices.  All societies have regular meetings and organize lectures from visiting experts on dowsing and in allied fields (including scientific and archaeological) and also field trips for members to learn in the company of other members and investigate the phenomena of earth energies, Sacred Sites and much more that are in the locality wherever you live and even further afield.

Encountering such groups you will find that Dowsers are very well balanced and dedicated.  They do not 'tout' for membership, and those that attend meetings have an opportunity to see what is going on, and they are encouraged to observe before becoming members.  In this way, the accent is always positive - to investigate with the Dowsing tools along well defined and reliable principles and not about testing the intelligence of the tool.  Dowsing has, after all, been used for hundreds of years, and its reliability and proven ability to discover new facts that can then be investigated further by other dowsers is more than sufficiently well documented, so speaks for itself.

(in alphabetical order)

AUSTRALIA AND NEW ZEALAND

Dowsers Society of New South Wales Inc.
PO BOX 391,  Lindfield, NSW 2070.

Dowsers Club of South Astralia Inc.
PO BOX 2427, Kent Town 5071, South Astralia.

New Zealand Society of Dowsers and Radionics Inc.
PO BOX 41-095, St Lukes, Aukland 3.

North Tasmanian Dowsing Association.
PO Forth, Tasmania 7310.

South Tasmanian Dowsing Association.
PO BOX 101, Moonah, Tasmania.

BRITAIN AND IRELAND

The British Society of Dowsers.
Sycamore Barn, Hasingleigh, Ashford, Kent TN25 5HW.
> Phone/Fax: 01233 750253
> Email: bsd@dowsers.demon.co.uk
> Website: http://dowsers.demon.co.uk

(There are 21 well established dowsing societies throughout Britain, and the Dowsing Society can provide information on them.  Many are affiliated to the BSD).

CANADA

Canadian Society of Dowsers.
2110 Georgevill Road, Magog QC, JIX 3W4.

The Canadian Society of Questers.
PO BOX 4873, Vancouver BC, V6 B4A6.
> Website: http://users.uniserve.com/~questers

(My information is that the above two societies were considering amalgamating, so addresses may have changed and should be checked therefore, since I have not had time to do this myself).

EUROPE

AUSTRIA

Austerreicher Verband fur Radiasthesie und Geobiologie.
Florianigasse 43/1/12, A-1080 Vienna.

BELGIUM

Belgian-Dutch LA Dowsers Association.
Mrs N Leunens, Ninoofsteenweg 95, 1500 Halle.

DENMARK

Miljo- & Jordstraleforeningen Danmark.
Henning Juhl, Graensevej 49, DK 2650, Hvidovre, Copenhagen.

FRANCE

Association Francaise et Internationale des Amis de la Radiesthesie.
c/o Daniel Ville, 1 rue Jean Hornet, 93170, Bagnolet,
> Telephone: 00 33 1 49 72 88 71

GERMANY

Herold-Verlag Dr Wetzel.
Kirchbachweg 16, 81479 Munchen.

THE NETHERLANDS

Nederlands Genootschap voor Radiesthesue en Radionica.
HWJ de Hartog, Postbus 44, 1440 AA Purmerend.

Dutch-Belgian LA Dowsers Association.
Mrs N Martens, Chr van Pallandtlaan 31, 2104 SN Heemstede.

NORWAY

Norwegian Society of Dowsers.
(Norsk Kuistgjenger-forening)
v/Geir AB Wollmann, Zinoberveien, N-0758 Oslo.

SWEDEN

Svenska Slagrute for Bundet.
Karin Hallberg, Osttjarn 2380, 85590 Sundsvall

SWITZERLAND

Siss Association of Radiasthesie.
Mr G Heer, Hermenweg 3, CH-5702 Niederlenz.

UNITED STATES

The American Society of Dowsers Inc.
Danville, Vermont 05825.
> Telephone: 802-684-3417.
> Fax: 802-684-2565.
> Email: ASD@dowsers.org
> Website: http:/New Hampshire.com/dowsers.org


In Section 3 we shall be looking in more depth at L-rods and Pendulum, and in how they are used – plus, how to become familiar with them as a preparation to later sections.

— end of Section 2 –

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[S.1 == DOWSING DIVINATION ==–- ('Traditional' and 'Advanced')]

S.1 == DOWSING DIVINATION ==
–- ('Traditional' and 'Advanced')

== PART ONE ==

My first thought, when my original thread <AND THE TRUTH SHALL BE KNOWN – You'll see!> became increasingly more difficult for members to firstly read right through and then later find points they wanted to refresh on, was simple... a SUMMARY, a FAQ section and a few additions.  But, life is never that simple – it should be, but it isn't.

In the last couple of weeks (at the time of writing) there has grown among several members a significant degree of confusion as to what the Pendulum is all about – and this has now reached such an extent that a couple of members had decided to devise questions and a method to 'test' the validity of the Pendulum to give correct answers.  No matter how good the intent, that approach will not work...because  (as any Dowser will tell you, and there are a vast number worldwide  in virtually every country), the Pendulum has a mind of its own.  So, by testing its 'validity' it can only be a test of whether it is worth using or not.  And, since the Pendulum has never shown a will to be 'tested', in the many hundreds of years that it's use has been documented, it has invariably given wrong (or 'trick') answers when such an attitude is adopted.  The end result therefore, for those who would approach it in that fashion, can only lead to it being useless as a tool for Advanced Divination or even Traditional Dowsing. to those particular users, and anyone else who is led to doubt its ability to provide meaningful and productive responses – so this modified  course is designed to rectify that problem, make everyone happy, and provide a lot of new interest along the way because I shall now present the best methods of using the Pendulum from a different angle (along with introducing an equivalent dowsing tool, the L-rod)  by incorporating Traditional methods as a solid foundation, but retaining the Advanced method where appropriate.

The 'Advanced' method I presented is much quicker to learn for the purpose intended in my first course on this forum, for inner-development and leading to the gaining of telepathic ability for those who then became receptive, since this is achieved in a natural and easy way when the person is ready -  and that is why it was given to me by my guide to present here at the Astral Pulse.  It had worked with 100% success and rapid development of skill, teaching it on a one-to-one basis and even in groups face to face.  But, here on the Internet was always going to be an experiment as to how many would actually follow the course, because it was a first time in this format of teaching.  Had it been published in a book, then it would have been no problem, since the reader, as an individual working alone, would have been able to take it in and absorb what it meant for them.  But here we have found conflicting 'views', since each person is different naturally – nothing wrong with that, and it was hoped that in the sharing of each person's experiences ideas would flow - except that when there is a measure of doubt instilled in the minds of those who are otherwise making good progress it has become a case of one step forward and two steps back at those times (as quite a number have reported when contacting me direct) and this necessitated much more work on my part (and later Parmenion, working with me also – along with Karek) burning the midnight oil to get things back on track.

But, it was my guide's intention that the method should be presented FREE to all, rather than being restricted to those who could purchase a book or attend some class – so, it is still our intention to teach the Advanced method albeit in a slightly modified way to incorporate now some elements of Traditional Dowsing within that framework.  As members will see, as we progress through this course, there will be ample scope in Traditional Dowsing pursuits to 'test' with the Pendulum, and this will satisfy all those who have doubted its validity due to 'wrong answers' being obtained.  You may have noticed, but I shall repeat it... I used the phrase Test WITH the Pendulum, and not 'Test the Pendulum' – and in that is the key to the way forward.

I am sure that members will find the projects I  have carefully selected to include in this course of interest, even exciting, because they explore many, many things in a scientific way but by a means that science can not understand with its limited technology at this stage in Man's evolution.  The Pendulum is indeed a very powerful tool – in fact, in the right hands, a truly precision instrument.  In this way it can be regarded like a voltmeter as a rough analogy, because a voltmeter is a precision instrument but can give very misleading results if not understood properly. (I will not go into details about the voltmeter, but I can assure you – as electronics was my field – that it has to be used correctly to give a precise reading).  Certainly, it would be a poor electrician, or even technician, who took the voltmeter or any intstrument apart to test its validity, since that would be the same as re-inventing the wheel – and the same applies to the Pendulum, which has been successfully in use for hundreds of years and has always given reliable results when used properly, often leading to new scientific discoveries both as a result of 'information dowsing' (divination) and through Traditional Dowsing (investigating such as ley-lines and earth energies, as well as water /oil /mineral dowsing).  We shall look at many of those things, and others besides, as we proceed through the course, and give methods as appropriate.

To keep it as easy (and quick) as possible without sacrificing any of the essential features of Dowsing Principles, I have careful chosen those points that will not be confusing to the newcomer, especially since we shall be incorporating 'Advanced' mode with the Traditional 'Default' mode.  And, at the end of the course, a list of many books will be provided for further reading for those who want to delve deeper and maybe take up the Art/Science of Dowsing Divination.  That list will not be provided until the end because experts differ slightly in their methods, and there is  no 'absolute' standard for 'yes'/ 'no' movements (the reason for this is fully explained in section two) and that would cause problems at this stage, though the reader will have no such problem or confusion when encountering other texts later once the basics have been grasped with the Advanced mode movements which work as well and usually much better in any application of Dowsing, as well as understanding and being able to use the Traditional Dowsing techniques.

Despite the fact that there are Dowsing Societies with large memberships in virtually every country in the world now, some people still haven't heard about dowsing.  In the UK, the British Society of Dowsers was founded in 1933 by Colonel AH Bell, and the American Society of Dowsers Inc is the largest in the world with 75 affiliated 'Dowsing Chapters' throughout the USA with additional smaller groups in many areas too.  I will be supplying a list of many of the Societies Worldwide, and items such as Pendulums and L-rods  can be purchased from those and many local groups.  Dowsing groups tend to form near sites of antiquity and within reach of ley-lines which are of great interest for exploratory dowsing – and of course there are ley-lines on every continent, as well as many Sacred Sites where 'earth energies'  will be found.   I shall be discussing how you can detect these energies yourself with the Pendulum and L-rod tools, check them against the findings of others  (and many scientific and careful studies have been done over a long period of time, so there is much that is fascinating and rewarding to learn as you proceed with these tools), and who knows – you may even in time, if you become a serious Dowser, discover new things to add to the already extensive knowledge that has been gained by these  investigation devices which have already opened the door to new frontiers of discovery over the centuries.

History records that some of the most famous people were dowsers, and these include such as –
Leonardo Da Vinci,
Robert Boyle (the founder of the Royal Society),
Sir Isaac Newton,
Johan Ritter (the founding father of electrochemistry),
Thomas Edison,
Edgar Cayce,
Albert Einstein.

I quote from one source:
<<"In 1897, Sir JJ Thomson made one of the greatest scientific discoveries when he isolated the electron  The control of the electron has transformed the 20th century with dazzling technologies from computers to television receivers.  For this, Thomson was knighted and given the Nobel Prize.  During a presentation to a group of eminent scientists he requested that science should turn it's attention to the physics of dowsing – but this plea fell on deaf ears.   To JJ Thomson, dowsing was for real!">>

Although mainstream science still tends to ignore Dowsing (yet has 'opinions' on it – not a very scientific thing, to have 'opinions', it should at least research it first!) but some scientists do use the Pendulum in their work nevertheless, as did some of the more 'forward thinking' scientists through the centuries.  Many Dowsing Societies have their own Scientific Advisors, and significant studies have been done with EEG analysis of expert Dowsers who have  been found to exhibit Alpha, Beta and Theta brainwave patterns while Dowsing.

A report on Brain Wave activity in the 1980s by an American, Dr Edith Jurka, MD, who recorded the brain wave activities of Dowsers using a 'mind mirror' developed by Dr C Maxwell-Cade  based on Electroencephalographs (EEG) states that remarkable correlations were found.  "When in the Dowsing mode, the beat wave beta frequency of the thinking state lowers in frequency to the Alpha state which is a meditative state.  When a dowsing target is found there is a burst of the lower frequency state of around 4 to 7 cycles per second, which corresponds to brain wave activity in dreaming sleep".

In 1996, a team headed by Edward Stillman, the scientific advisor to the American Dowsing Society, did a similar investigation of Dowsers, using modern computer controlled EEG equipment which can generate coloured pictures.  This research confirmed Dr Jurka's findings and broke new ground on this subject.  Edward Stillman, commenting on the latest research, said: "Dowsing appears to be a truly unique and creative human altered state of consciousness".

In layman's terms, the following is a very brief outline, regarding the alpha, beta and theta states as they apply to Dowsing ("D"), correlated with Transcendental ("T") Meditation and Zen ("Z") Meditation:

Present in.....
"T"-Meditation ---  Alpha and Theta waves
"Z"-Meditation ---  Beta, Alpha and Theta waves
"D"– Activities ---  Beta, Alpha and Theta waves <--(DOWSING)

For reference:
('cycles per second' = Hertz (Hz)

BETA ----- above 14 Hz --- Conscious 'waking' state, processing information.
ALPHA --- 8 to 13 Hz ------ Reflective, Contemplative, Restful – THE DOWSING 'MENTAL STATE'
THETA --- 4 to 7 Hz -------- Dreaming sleep
DELTA --- 0.5 to 3 Hz ------ Deep, dreamless sleep

The achieving of all three states (Alpha, Beta and Theta) in the use of this tool by a person, indicates that the person becomes naturally reflective, contemplative and restful as they go about their Dowsing, and this is the key to their receptivity (even telepathy for those who become advanced in their constant use of the Pendulum).  Even more remarkable is the fact that Dowsing has been dated back to at least 6,000 BC, which indicates that those ancient civilizations, and even earlier Man, were able to achieve those states.  Sig Lonegren, the America 'Spiritual' Dowser, reported on Neolithic 'Cave Art' and carvings of Dowsing tools in Tassili, Algeria – a site known as the "Library of Dowsing Tools" – and depicted there is a character holding a dowsing tool watched by onlookers with obvious interest, seemingly giving a dowsing lesson to them.

Dowsers are also depicted on ancient Egyptian bas-reliefs – and Cleopatra employed Dowsers to find gold.  Dowsers were a part of the ancient Stonemasons craft, and the Pyramids were built to very great precision using the Pendulum (the true ancestor of the now humble builder's plumb-line – which did far more than hang straight when in the hands of those ancient buildiers, since they used it to ask questions regarding the construction by Sacred Geometry, as well as for orientation and extremely accurate measurement, all with that one 'tool'!).

China too had its Dowsers, and a depiction of them appears on the statue of the Chines Emperor, Kwang Su, who reigned around 2,200 BC.  Agricola's book De Re Metallica (1550) includes an illustration of Dowsers prospecting for minerals.  A great deal of Dowsing information and methods comes from France where, in the Middle Ages Bishops, Abbots of Monasteries, and priests resisted the Church's denunciation of Dowsing (which the Church said was the "work of the Devil") – and those clerics who preserved the documentation clearly thought otherwise, so we must be thankful to them because much could have been lost otherwise.  More recently, the American General Patton employed Dowsers to locate underground water supplies in arid regions.

Dowsing was even officially sanctioned by the White House during the Vietnam War for use by the marines.  It is documented that the American Military created a Dowsing School to train the marines in Dowsing countermeasures against the Vietcong guerrilla fighters.  The Vietcong tactic was to strike suddenly, then vanish into foxholes and networks of underground tunnels or behind false walls in village houses.  They also set deadly and varied booby traps.  So, the Dowsing School replicated all those situations.  The marines were trained to Dowse (they actually used L-Rods, which are very versatile in that type of situation, though the Pendulum can do the same thing).  In this way, the marines learned how to locate tunnels and even count how many people occupied the tunnels.  They also became skilled in detecting hidden booby traps by Dowsing for them.    Captured guerrilla fighters must have been totally perplexed as to how the marines had so easily found them hiding in tunnels and behind false walls.  Dowsing helped to win that War, but it was not a weapon of war, nor even to aid the Americans win it – it was solely a means of saving lives that otherwise would have been heavily lost, and so its use was permissible in that situation by the Higher Realms, the 'source' of information give to dowsers through the tools used.

It is interesting to note, however, that despite the enormous and officially acclaimed success of Dowsing in the Vietnam War, the Military no longer sanctions Dowsing simply because the generals found that only 'positive minded' marines could use the Dowsing methods – and the Military wanted every man-jack to be able to use it, just as every one used a rifle... but the Higher Realms did not go along with that, and the non-positive marine could not make neither L-Rod nor Pendulum move, or if it did then it would not move reliably – so the generals took a huff about that and decided that if not all could use it then none would use it in future, and it stopped being 'standard issue'.  Again, we have adequate documentation here that the Pendulum (or indeed L-Rod, or even the Y-rod for that matter) will only work if used positively and with great respect for it, and not if abused.

The L-Rod will be discussed later in some applications, since it has versatility in 'information dowsing'  (or 'spiritual' divination) and direction-pointing in the  finding of objects and following tracks, though the Pendulum is also able to do all these things and is the better choice for unobtrusiveness, ease of use, as well as  handy to slip into the pocket – and of course, the Pendulum is the best tool for Map Dowsing (this will also be discussed later, with methods given)

Uri Geller, although made famous for his ability to bend spoons, plus stop and start watches and clocks, is an expert 'information dowser'  – and he is one of the best exponents of Map Dowsing for all types of minerals, oil, and gas.  Many large industrial corporations have employed Uri Geller for this.  Unlike the many 'tunnel-visioned' scientists who either ignore dowsing or do not believe in its scope, the industrial corporations have no 'hang ups' about dowsing., as they get results.  In fact, top dowsers working in all fields in the industrial sector are paid many thousands of dollars an hour for their services in locating mineral, oil, gas, and water – and most often the dowser earns his/her money simply by looking at a map and asking the Pendulum questions; typically the whole 'job' can often be done in 30 minutes or so actually, compared with the months it would take engineers working on sites on land or sea (even if they were able to find the sites in the first place) and thus the thousands paid to the dowser saves the industrial giants many more thousands that otherwise would have had to have been paid out to teams, as well as saving enormous amounts of time.  But, such 'expertise' is not the province of the ordinary dowser – those expert dowsers know a bit more than the average dowser, and have a 'communication' link that is telepathic (as does Uri Geller), so much practice is needed and definitely a positive and receptive approach is essential from the start.  And, most importantly, the Dowser cannot work if he has 'ego' or 'nit picks' about the answers, although it must be understood that the Information Dowser does not take an answer as 'gospel' but only as part of a thorough investigation by many more questions gerally.    Information dowsing (as also in ordinary dowsing) relies on constant re-evaluation of answers received, and much questioning is essential to obtain a clear 'picture', a homing-in on the knowledge.  Doubting, as any dowser will tell you, has a detrimental effect and can even result in the Dowsing tool just refusing to work for the person.  Major-General J Scott-Elliot, a past president of the British Society of Dowsers, mentions in his book, Dowsing – one man's way, that Dowsing works best "when there is a need to know".  Other dowsers readily concur with this.  Dennis Wheatley, President of the UK's Wyvern Dowsing Society and a Professional Dowsing Instructor,  also writes "From my own experience I agree with him.... Party Tricks when there isn't a real 'need to know' tend to go awry, and I never indulge in these.  As I see it, if a Dowser tries such tricks, he or she is engaged in an egotistical exercise".

The Dowsing 'tool', whether it be L-Rod or Pendulum, has its particular uses and methods depending on the field of investigation – but it is always a tool for investigation, and always the accent should be on homing-in on the answer and not blind acceptance of an answer or doubt as to whether the Pendulum is accurate.  In the case of Traditional Dowsing for ley-energies and such, or the finding of roman coins in a field, this will become self-evident in the methods used.  But in the case of Map Dowsing, where one is not even 'on site' (and therefore it cannot even be said that there is a relationship between the Pendulum's response and some factor – however invisible it may be to the eye) the need to 'trust' the Pendulum becomes apparent, and very necessary if results are to be obtained.   In Map Dowsing one simply sits at a table with the Pendulum and applies methods to determine the location of whatever is being sought – even a missing person – and the Pendulum leads the seeker to the appropriate area of the map where what one is seeking will be (and subsequently, on visiting the site, is) found.  Map Dowsing can be a process of navigation-type methods and questions, but Information Dowsing (and also 'Spiritual Divination) are purely question sessions to arrive at an answer or fuller picture of a situation.  Since 'Spiritual Dowsing', in particular, often deals with other realms or at least 'new frontiers' (scientific, philosophical, or whatever) there is often no evident yardstick or readily-tangible 'proof' that can be compared with findings, and scenarios painted, as the questioning unfolds new landscapes for investigation; so, it is vital to explore as fully as you can and follow as many trains of question/thought as possible, down all the alleyways if necessary, until you arrive at a 'picture' that makes sense to you.  This includes recursive and oblique questioning techniques, jumping back to an answer given some time back and re-exploring it from an different angle, and other varied questioning methods – so it is a skill which has to be acquired, and the only way to do that is by as much practice as possible.  As many a Dowser has said, "It should be a way of life, rather than just an interesting hobby if one wants to become really adept" – so, 'intuitive' thinking is the key, clear questioning is the approach, and positive attitude is essential.

In the last fifty years, Dowsing has become incorporated into many organisations, businesses and 'interest groups' – even taught by some Education Authorities - who employ Dowsing professionals and  instructors.  Dowsing has been embraced by UNESCO, the Canadian Ministry of Agriculture, the Russian and also Czech armies, and major corporations worldwide.  Cambridge University accepts Water Divining as an approved 'method', and Russian Universities offer a Master's Degree in all types of Dowsing Divination as well as their psychologists and psychiatrists employing Dowsing tools in their research and diagnostic work.  In Russia in particular (although it has been expressed by Dowsing operators worldwide) it is quoted that  they are "astounded that Dowsing is not highly regarded in the Western World".  In recent years, however, thousands of doctors in the western world now complement their work by diagnostic dowsing,  but Alternative Medicine practitioners have been doing this for many years now alongside their Homeopathy, Reflexology and similar treatments.  I, personally, use the Pendulum alongside Reflexology, Reiki and other therapies, in diagnostic analysis of food allergies etc and likewise of auras and chakras, all extremely effectively.

So, with those words to bear in mind, and the example of those other people named in this brief background of Dowsing History, we now move on to seeing what can be done and how to do it as we explore the many fascinating avenues of discovery that Dowsing opens up.

THE FOLLOWING SECTIONS IN THIS SERIES SHOULD BE READ THROUGH IN SEQUENCE TO GAIN A FULL PICTURE, AND THEN INDIVIDUAL SECTIONS MAY BE STUDIED AND PRACTICED WHERE INSTRUCTIONS ARE GIVEN.

— end of Section 1 –

Happy Exploring in your Dowsing Divination !

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[LET THIS PENDULUM BE TO MEWHAT GOD WANTS IT TO BE,AND LET IT KEEP ME SAFE FROM HARMTO MAKE HIS WILL BE FREE.]

I promised I would start a topic thread on the subject of the Pendulum – and in fact this whole subject gives great insights into how the guides very often work 'behind the scenes' – so writing about it will present many potential 'spinoffs' as well as addressing this 'tool' of the Gods and its correct use, largely misunderstood completely.

Those who have heard of the Pendulum as a Divination 'tool' will most likely know of it through the Science of Dowsing, being one of three tools that have been employed (dowsing rods, L and Y type, being the other two)  over the centuries to locate water, oil, buried artifacts at archaeological digs, and even missing people – to name but a few of the many uses that Dowsers have turned into an accurate science.  A science is not by definition 'spiritual'; it deals only with that which can be tested and accurately repeated – but in the word 'divination' there is a clue to its origin – as a spiritual tool.  Even the word 'dowse' has its roots in an old Scandavian word, meaning 'divine' – and similar derivitives from the original ancient word giving the additional meaning of something that uses 'divine rules' (dowh'xma – the "x" pronounced as in th eScottish word 'loch' – is the origin or the word 'dogma').    Hardly any Dowser thinks of it in that way (if they know what it means, that is!) today – or even in the last five hundred years that its extreme accuracy has been carefully documented by users, and now very well established Dowsing Societies that exist in virtually all countries. Dowsing has been 'officially sanctioned' by the White House and employed by the marines in the Vietnam war to locate mines, caves and other ambush areas – as well as by other governments, notably the Russian and Czechoslovakian, to which it has been standard issue...... so, hardly a 'spiritual' history, it would seem; although, it has to be said, that the Russian government also endorses the teaching of Dowsing in its Universities and even a university degree can be obtained there in its use – because they, at least, look to its origin in Sumerian and Egyptian times when it most definitely was a 'spiritual' and practical 'tool' combined, and was recognised then as having been given and taught by the 'Gods' for the people to use.

I have said, elsewhere on the Astral Pulse, that it was by being introduced to the Pendulum that I gained the gift of Telepathy so very easily, and a guide was assigned to me for me to channel the words of the Pleiadians.  My guide later explained to me it was that way in ancient times also, for those who learned the CORRECT use of the Pendulum – and my guide, Karek (who incidentally incarnated on this earth in ancient times as both Inanna of the Sumerians and the Godess Isis of the  Egyptians) had taught me that correct use – as opposed to the 'dowsing techniques' that are employed as but a fragment of that lost Art that once was used in the building of the Great Pyramids along with the direct communication that the Stone Masons had with the 'Gods' who supervised the whole operation (the 'plumb line' is a relic, in masonic terms, of what was once known about the powerfulness of the Pendulum gifted by the 'Divine' from on high).

Karek has asked me to pass on the 'correct' methods of using the Pendulum to readers, so that they will be able to utilize this 'communicator'  I shall, for reference only refer occasionally to the 'traditional dowsing' methods purely to illustrate the difference (and also the msconceptions), but essentially this article focusses on how you can use the Pendulum in its 'advanced' mode of operation – and which is very easy to use if you follow  the simple but important guidelines properly to ensure its accuracy.

First though, let's dispel one misconception that may exist in the minds of some readers; the Pendulum is NOT in any way whatsoever like the Ouija board, which similarly can give 'yes' / 'no' answers.  Some people dabble with the ouija board, and I maske no bones about it – the ouija board is not a good thing to dabble with, and I would strongly urge that nobody ever does so.  the reason is fundamentally to do with the fact that more than one person normally uses the ouja board, sitting in a circle with their hands held on a glass or similar as a pointer and by 'group subconscious consent' the pointer held goes to the appropriate place to spell out Y or N (Yes/No) or even a word from the laid out alphabet.  It is in this 'group subconscious consent' that the problem lies with the ouja board – because each person is meant to have individual Free Will, and that will is given up to the collective minds of those present.  Depending on the strength of will of each individual there is the opportunity for 'mind control' to be exerted, especially 'negatively oriented mind control – and this also leaves an electromagnetic 'imprint' on the board which will affect subsequent users and even the immediate surroundings in the area of that room, and this reinforces negativity.  This is only a brief and somewhat simplified explanation of the 'astral-mechanics' of its operation – but the conclusion is clear; never give up your Free Will as an individual, so never use the ouja board !

The Pendulum works on an entirely different principle, so can not ever give rise to the above mentioned 'negativity'.  Furthermore – and this is the crucial point about it, in that respect and others – it will not even work at all if the person has wrong intent.  So, for example, someone who wanted to use the Pendulum for selfish ends, or to gain any advantage of another's Free Will would find the Pendulum just hanging limp, unmoving – and no answer could be obtained.  The person with right intent will, in virtually every case (unless they are holding it in the wrong position, for example) get immediate and accurate results in the form of answers to their questions with no difficulty whatsoever.  I would like you to think for a few moments  about those two statements, and what they imply, as I explain the method of usage.

A Divination Pendulum is a thread / string / chain that is attached to a weight, and the weight or 'bob' will swing in one of two certain directions depending on whether the question asked of it requires a 'yes' or a 'no' response.  The Pendulum should be held for accuracy in use, in front of the body with the 'bob'  about 6 inches directly in front of the breastbone for the beginner especially to ensure the strongest 'signal' to activate it and start it moving in the appropriate direction.  Which direction this is (left-right, across the body) or in-out (at right angles to the body) actually will depend on the genetic make-up of the person, and where on the globe their 'family' genes originated broadly speaking.  For me, left-right means 'yes', and in-out means 'no' in response to any question.  But, as I have noticed with a small number of pupils, the opposite applies, with in-out signifying 'yes' and side to side meaning 'no'.  Although the Pendulum can actually be 'programmed' by the user to obtain any desired direction of movement for a particular response, the way in which it operates will be determined by its natural inclination when you ask the 'initialisation' questions to find out exactly what movemnts signify 'yes' and 'no'.

When a new Penulum is bought (or made) the user should stand or sit with back straight and legs not crossed and, with the Pendulum held in the right hand (two fingers holding the 'string' to give a length from hand to 'bob' of approximately 9 inches), making sure the Pendulum is about 6 inches directly in front of the breastbone (to allow for adequate in-out swings), and ask the following questions:

--- "Give me a 'yes', please".   The Pendulum should swing in whatever direction is appropriate for that 'yes' response. Note it.

--- "Give me a 'no', please".  Since the Pendulum will be expected to move at right-angles for this response, it would seem redundant to ask; however, it is always good practice to double-check with the Pendulum, especially when something is important (as this initial set-up certainly is), and moreover serves to 'prove' the 'yes' answer as well as indicating that all is well with the Pendulum in producing the correct 'no' response to this latter question.

If you are buying one, then the term Crystal Pendulum is understood to be a 'divination' tool.  There is actually no need for it to have a crystal 'bob', but a divination Pendulum bought will normally have been designed so that at the end of an appropriate length of thread of chain (depending on how much you want to pay) the crystal will be shaped to give the best movement without twisting (since that would interfere with the smooth response, and could confuse the user); also the 'diamond' shape of such a crystal is symbolic, representing bi-directional communication – and this imparts a 'ritual' element that subconsciously tells the mind that this is 'special'.  But once you start to use the Pendulum you will realise that it is indeed special, and will need no reminder.  So, provided you select a 'bob' of an appropriate weight that is not too heavy or too light for easy movement and whatever it may be attached to – and also ensuring that it is not of a shape that will easily cause twisting – then virtually anything can be used for a Pendulum that you may have in your rummage drawer or around the house.  Although, as a teacher,  I have a couple of clear quartz crystal Pendulums, an obsidion one and also a beechwood Pendulum (this latter ideal for chakra diagnosis, but too light to be practical for the beginner), I tend to demonstrate using ordinary objects......such as a mortise or yale house-key, a reasably sized machine nut, or a few washers..... attached to a string, or shoelace; and the typical bathplug and chain are ideal (though lacking in 'charisma'!)... and I've even utilized an orange in a polythene supermarket bag, which works just as well (though I wouldn't recommend it for the beginner, since it is a bit on the 'heavy' side).  I've been asked whether a pendant, of sentimental value, on a chain can be used.  While this may seem to be absolutely ideal, it has to be born in mind that in use there will be over time wear and tear (you'd be surprised how much!), so if you want to use a pendant then I would suggest using it only occasionally, in case of accidental damage – but that defeats the object of the Pendulum, which you will find to be in frequent use as you realise it's enormous potential; an ordinary Pendulum bought or made is what will serve you best.

Reading through these instructions carefully is well worthwhile – because, although the Pendulum will work after a fashion instantly you pick it up in any case, getting it 'right' will ensure that it will always be accurate; it is, after all, an instrument of Truth, extremely valuable therefore.

The Pendulum has suffered supression at times in our history, particularly in the 1500s when the Church of Rome banned its use – as they did with many other things also – claiming it to be 'of the Devil'  Nevertheless, it survived (though supressed in England) in Germany and with vitality in France, since the French took no notice whatsoever of Rome's 'ban' – and, in fact, French Police records of that period show that the police force employed Divinators in cases where murder objects and thieves could not be tracked down – reminiscent of how we use drug-tracker dogs today.  The accounts are remarkable in themselves to read, in the precision, quickness of detection.....even though in many cases the divinator and his Pendulum travelled many miles on a particular 'scent', from town to town tracking the source from the places a wanted person had been to – the Pendulum was 'instructed' to look for a certain object or whatever, and it was recorded by the police as the divinator silently but surely closed in on the source which could be miles and miles away from the 'crime scene'.  And, even today, a Pendulum is used by an experienced Dowser in its 'divination' mode to find missing children, and firemen have used the tool also to locate people buried under rubble where it would otherwise not be possible.  So, we do know that the Pendulum responds accurately to questions, statements and instructions.

Since lingering traces of old religious conditioning remain with some people, for those – and I would in fact recommend it in all cases, for a person to be absolutely certain in their minds since it is important to have a good 'rapport' with the Pendulum – there is a Kantra and a little ritual that is very powerful indeed, and which can be used when one first buys or makes a Pendulum (before using it for the first time).

All rituals, of whatever kind are powerful, and even more so if the person understands what the ritual means – so I shall explain it as I go along......

The Pendulum (complete with thread or chain) should be washed in cold running tap water.  This obviously connotes the washing away of any impurity that has become attached to it.  Some 'New Age' books advocate soaking overnight in certain 'beneficial' salts, and then washing off afterwards.  This actually gives a message to the mind – namely to have Fear of impurity clinging to the surface, and even the washing off afterwards does not remove that 'thought form' that has been created by the mind, due to an imbued Fear – and since Fear is negative, then it is in no way helpful.  The simple is always the best; so, simply hold the Pendulum and it's chain in one hand and allow running water to pass over it.  After which, simply dry with a shaking movement of the hand (rather than drying on a cloth, another Fear inducer); this action, in its simplicity evokes a confident and positive frame of mind – we are happy to simply shake dry in the fresh air.

Next, the Pendulum should be placed in the centre of a white cloth or napkin, etc – white being a symbol for 'purity of intent' in where we leay it carefully, and in how we intend to use the Pendulum.

Now, stood in front of the Pendulum on its white, bring your hands together, palms down towards the Pendulum, and in the shape of a St Adrew's Cross ('X' shape) at a height of about 6 inches from the table, with the left hand under the right, but the right hand not touching the left.  The St Andrew's Cross predates Christianity, and in fact is a symbol of Sumerian times when it meant 'Of Divine Interaction' (two lines crossing at right angles means 'interaction', and the shape was a cuneform 'symbol' for the Divinity, the 'Gods'); the hands not touching each other, signify that 'right' shall transcend all other and not be touched by it.

Ready at this stage (it takes much longer to write than to perform, although throughout it should be done with great respect and reverence) we can now say the Kantra (again with great respect):

LET THIS PENDULUM BE TO ME
WHAT GOD WANTS IT TO BE,
AND LET IT KEEP ME SAFE FROM HARM
TO MAKE HIS WILL BE FREE.

The word 'God' can be replaced by any suitable word or phrase that corresponds with your 'belief' system – though it is not recommended to do this as it interferes with the 'metre' of the verse which is an important element of reinforcement, so it is better to 'think' the required concept while ascribing the word 'God' to that meaning.  What is vital in this ritual, however, is to have in mind the HIGHEST source you can think of, and say it with the greatest reverence.

Finally, you should hold the St Andrew's Cross position for a few reverent moments, and then widthdraw your hands sideways to break the spell, but which at the same time binds it to the Pendulum as an instrument of that Highest Source.  I have always found, that my hands somehow 'know' when to part at the end of this ritual – and you may, indeed, feel them pull sideways out from the position, or at least feel a tendency to want to do this.  If you can do it like that, then you are certainly 'in tune' with the intent given to the Pendulum.

The ritual is complete and will last for as long as you are the owner of the Pendulum; it knows its own, and will even obey your pure intent if in the hands of another, either performing correctly or absolutely refusing.

It is worthwhile taking a moment or two before you come to the stage of applying the ritual, in reflecting on what the words of the verse really mean.  Because, if you say them then that is what you mean.
The first two lines are allowing OF YOUR OWN FREE WILL for God to let the Pendulum be used ONLY for what  God wants it to be used – and that is, for 'good' as God sees it in His Higher Wisdom.
The last two lines explicity empower the Pendulum to act only if it will not result in your harm, in the way that God understand these things in His Higher Wisdom, whilst ensuring that His Will is Free at all times in this over any influence placed on the Pendulum.  Powerful indeed!

So, now you have a Pendulum that works to give you answers to whatever you ask.  Well, most things (as the Kantra makes clear) that is.  You certainly will not get any answer to questions about another person's private life - what they're up to is their concern, whether you may be concerned about their welfare in your way of thinking or not.  Only in certain exceptional cases of missing persons (usually they have the right to go missing if they want to, to put it simply) will a clear answer be obtained, although you may be able to ascertain the general 'area' of their whereabouts and whether they are 'alright' – all this provided it does not take away their Free Will, which is paramount.  If in doubt (and this is a good general rule when embarking on such types of questions) you should ask, "Is it permissable for me to ask about.........." (whatever).  If you get a 'NO', then that is difinitive; ask no further for a direct answer, and I would suggest until very experienced you should change the subject.
Respect for the source supplying the answer is not only etiquette, but lack of it is negativity of attitude and any tendency whatsoever towards disrespect should be avoided at all costs in your interaction with the Pendulum.

There is one more Penduum movement that can occur in normal operation when asking questions for a 'yes'/'no' resonse - and that is a CIRCULAR motion.  This actually means that the Pendulum is  "SEARCHING", since in that instance the answer is not immediately available due to serveral factors needing to be taken into account.  An example of this would be if you asked "Is my nearest motorway busy today?"  The Pendulum would first need to locate the motorway NEAREST to you (search mode), then it would need to ascertain what busy actually means to your area - since this is a realitive context - but this will involve checking other like days for a comparison to be made (search mode) --- only after all this can it give you the answer, 'yes' or 'no'.  So, if it starts to spin, you will need wait until it finishes (it may even pause briefly as it 'ticks off' an intermediate answer)only after evrything is searched and checked will it settle into the usual 'swing' indicating the answer.  This motion of circling is one that causes much confusion to 'Dowsers' - many mistakenly over the years have taken it to mean 'yes'....and for them it does indeed convey 'yes'.  What has happened with Dowsers, is that they have effectively 'regprogrammed' their Pendulum - and now, as a result the 'default mode' of operation contains the circling to indicate 'yes'.  But, in this they have lost a valuable indicator, plus the search option for some.  If, for any reason, your Pendulum gives a circular movement to indicate 'yes' or 'no' even, then you should say to it, "Can you please go to 'advanced mode', and continue in that mode until such a time as I instruct you otherwise - thank you" - and it should then go to the 'advanced mode', as explained in this 'correct' usage methodology presented here.  If by any chance, it should seem to foul up, you can always say to it, "Please revert to 'default' mode.... and it will either assume you are a Dowser (traditional default), or update preperly to 'advaced mode' and it will in th eprocess correct any faulty programming you may have given it.  Then of course, check what movements give 'yes' and 'no', and finally say, "Is circling 'search mode', please?".  That covers all the basics regarding movements at this stage in learning.

I am happy to answer any questions from members regarding the proper use of the Pendulum, and some of those questions will only arise with use of it – so are for another time.  However, before I end here for now, there is one final and very important point I have to make, which is this:  Garbage in, Garbage out.......so says the old Computer Adage – and it applies to how you phrase your questions as to how accurate the answers will be.  Basically you can obtain an answer to any statement or to any question.  You can, with care, put them both together, and say, for example: "I have here a statement: ......" and give the statement.  Then say, "I would like to ask – Is this true?".  This form of questioning is very good if reading from books, and wanting to ascertain what is accurately written or otherwise.  As you get more experienced, you can actually read and – while reading – watch the Pendulum out of the corner of your eye.  If it starts to swing 'yes' or 'no' then you have your answer to that short section (and make it short – in nibbles of one sentence at a time normally).  Above all, whatever your question... keep it simple.  Any question with the word 'and' in it is more than likely to be two questions at least, so the rule is: one at a time gives a clear answer.  If you are reading from a book and seeking answers, then bear in mind that even if a person in question is dead, then they may well have surviving relatives – and NO answer will be given if it would cause them harm in any way by anyone knowing, whether you are aware of it or not, the rule applies, that the truth is private to that person and their Free Will will not be violated.

Lastly, sloppy or 'slang' expressions, idiomatic speech and clearly ambiguous phrases that could be taken either way should be avoided; use only 'correct' speech whenever possible, or explain the meaning of the word if there is no alternative.  Be clear in how you put the question, and the answer will be similarly clear and precise.  And the golden rule to cap them all is --- if you are not certain, or want to double-check on something you've asked, then find a second, lateral or oblique way of putting it, because remember, there are very often shades of meaning in our language.  As you progress you will become more and more skillful at putting questions and interpreting the answers that may well – and should, wherever possible – lead you to further questions.  Don't just accept ALL answers as definitive; if in doubt always double-check, and if possible explore some 'background'.  In actual practice you will find it easier than you think just reading this here and now, because you will very often find that questions just 'pop' into your head seemingly from nowhere; they are in virtually all cases like that coming from a guide who will be watching and monitoring your progress to help you along – and to also teach you higher perspectives and levels of understanding in general, so be aware of this also at all times.

I know at this moment of writing, that there are at least 3 Pendulum users on the Astral Pulse website – and they, I know, are looking forward to this article.  To them - and to all who are coming to the Pendulum for the first time also – I say, let us know how you get on, because in sharing our thoughts, knowledge or experiences, we learn so much from each other - and that's what this site is all about.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

PS>-----------------------------
To keep this article as short as is practicable, I have left out methods of 'Tranditional Dowsing' since, although the are accurate in their own way, they are limited in their application and are in virtually all cases radically different in methodology to the 'advanced' methods given to me by my guide to pass on here.  The 'Traditional Dowsing' methods would in any event be confusing to all but the purely academic reader at this stage where the correct approach is being stressed.  So, although a fascinating area – particularly in the investigation of ley lines, energy vortices plus the detection of underground streams and electromagnetic 'grid' lines – both of which latter have been found by German scientists to affect health, and Dowsing practices have been adopted by the German authorities in many cases prior to Planning Permission being granted, these I have left for another time, because they are essentially a different subject.

[But, you do not have the right to impose your views on others and claiming all sorts of assumptions about them to dissuade members from listening to them]

McArthur,

I started my last post by saying "There seems to be a communication problem here" and I state it again.

You now quote me from posts, so you have actually read them.  So, you have actually read them.  But I do not think you read well the plainness of what I have been trying to say.  So, let me make the point again, here below.

1.  You have a perfect right to have views and express them on the forum.

2.   Interaction is necessary to learn more, and that is the object of discussion – which is the purpose of a discussion forum.  But, you do not have the right to impose your views on others and claiming all sorts of assumptions about them to dissuade members from listening to them.   If you don't agree with what is being said then discuss it.  DO NOT ATTACK, since that causes polarisation of thinking in others  and so breaks down any meaningful discussion that could otherwise take place.  It is also disruptive if it is not contstructive (i.e. does not add to the discussion but merely states 'views' that are intransigent and offensive – apart from cluttering up threads which obscures any meaningful discussion others have added input to... and also (and this is well evidenced) intimidating others who fear they would also be similarly 'attacked' (yes, many have told me).

To illustrate what I mean, in this communication gap that you are widening, I will quote you below:

McArthur writes:
But what i really think is, your neg friends have clicked on that they have been being monitered for some time now on here and have decided to "cut and run" with what new naive cult members they have managed to glean from these forums so far

I have used emphasis on certain phrases to draw members' attention to these.  Becasuse writing such things as being 'fact' – which are purely assumptions of yours – are not only misleading to members who may assume you have facts to back these up which you do not, but they are seeking to demean my character, and in the case of the word I have highlighted in red particular, is a libelous statement for which you could be prosecuted for character assassination and by extension, which is clearly your aim, the stopping of our attempts to simply present <information> that anyone can read and examine and reject if they so wish and that anyone should have the freedom to accept or reject without interference from intolerant individuals. (I say that only to stress the seriousness of what you are doing, and the fact that it is not the way to go about presenting your 'views' in any moral society).

The only 'negs' we have ever been in contact with are those that post attacks on the forum.  Being negative is one thing, but attacking is the hallmark of the 'neg', and we have suffered many such attacks from 'negs'.  What people do to each other in the world in reality is far more dangerous and damaging to the individual than any perceived 'neg' that comes in the night and is almost always a product of a person's fear and conditioning in my wide experience of this.

I do not single you out in this, you are only one of several over a period of time while I've been here that have thought it their 'business' to influence others with their negative and crusading opposition to another.  I repeat, this is a discussion forum where all views should be respected (yours, mine or anyone else's) and the object is to discuss them – not to vehemently oppose them, and certainly not in a way that incites fear in others of what a members is saying (either of that members <information> or fear of being attacked themselves if their 'view' is not yours).

We are NOT a cult.  I am NOT a 'cult leader'.  That has already been established on the forum, after many attacks on us, and Adrian is happy with our presence here and our contribution.  He stated, as a matter of record, that nothing in what we were doing was dangerous.  Rather, the case is, that disruptive input by ill-informed members having a narrow-view that what THEY say is right and what others say should not be allowed is damaging to the members since it removes Free Speech.   Say what you believe, if you are the sort of person who 'believes' things -  I am not, nor do I ask people to 'believe' things as that is not sensible; why believe things that you do not know (and cannot know unless you are open to discussing what they say instead of denying it on an 'assumption' that it is somehow 'evil')... people should think for themselves and have the right to do so.

So, my point is – Will you let members use their own minds and not yours?!  We, those who are channeling, have patiently over and over again explained things... things that over and over again certain members keep assuming otherwise about, when the facts have been so clearly given.   As I say, this is a communication problem.  We are communicating, but some are not reading, or misreading, or denying... because they are simply not open to discussing in a positive way that which is 'unknown' to them.  If something is unknown, then by definition you can't know it, so why say it is 'wrong'? – since that is just your 'assumption' from what you have been conditioned to 'believe'.  Nothing can remain the same, otherwise we would not grow in knowledge.  And having 'set in stone' ideas simply prevents growth.

We would welcome your input, and anyone else's – as we have said many times – if it is constructive and relates to the content of what is being presented in what is 'unknown' and which is therefore <information> as we have said.  It is not constructive to 'questiion' its validity, since you cannot prove it is not valid.  Whether it comes from 'aliens', 'angels' or so-called 'negs' it is simply something for discussion in its content.

Nothing you hear or read can harm you, unless you choose to accept it on 'blind belief'.  So, you should always ASK QUESTIONS.  This is not the same as 'questioning the information source.  You simply do not know what the source is, and cannot know.  So, only by examining what is written can you learn anything of things that are new to your perception.  And, even if it appears wrong then there is good reason for this – anything, no matter what, will appear wrong to a person's perception if they have not experienced that other awareness.  Take for example, even on this planet, a person's perception of life in another land (cold, where they are used to hot conditions – and vice versa; third-world poverty where they are used to first-world 'social security, which many feel, mistakenly, is the depths of poverty).

What the Zeta present is simply information (very often about how we perceive our own society, and how we can change things for the better).  This, surely (and that is why they are here on the forum) is worth examining and thinking about, in order to look at things differently.   But No!  That is precluded, because they are 'aliens', and are therefore 'neg's and are therefore trying to lead us up the garden path in subtle ways, etc. etc.   This is what you are thinking, in effect – whether consciously or not.  And so, it 'colours' everything you see... changes it to being 'bad'.  You then <perceive> the whole thing as being a 'cult' with a leader who recruits the naïve to further spread this deliberately misleading and harmful 'information'.  So, even simple information is treated to the graphiti of your assumptions.

We have asked only for people to use common sense and intuition in what they read.  If you disagree with what a newspaper prints (it's policy, left or right wing or whatever it might be) do you attack it?  Maybe.  But to simply attack like that, and especially with only an 'assumption' that is based on your own prejudice or 'blind belief' is nothing short of Klu-Klux Klan mentality.  We have largely now gone through the phase in the world of "nigger lover" bashing, and now it is "Alien lover" time, is it?  Think about it.

Be constructive. Not destructive.  Add to what is being sought to bring to the forums, not to ban it from open discussion.  And consider the <information> for its content.  The Zeta are presenting ideas to think about and to discuss.  It simply wastes effort by being negative and seeking to obstruct, even worse by intimidatory attacks make others who observe such behavior much less likely to want to contribute themselves if they are not on your side ... and such a negative view causes polarization, a 'them and us' scenario which leads to bickering and argument about issues other than the <information> being presented, and such schisms prevent any meaningful ongoing and healthy discussion.

I will write more later.  But for now I send my regards to you McArthur with respect. And simply ask you to respect me, and my views,  also.   There is no need for attacks, and that removes the wasted time of what you may perceive as 'defensive' posting.  This, as I repeat, is clearly a communication problem and only needs calm discussion and a positive open mind to explore the 'unknown' (that which is outside present perception) in order to clarify.

I do not want you to take personally anything I have written here.  Nothing I say is 'personal' except in addressing the issues a particular person may raise – and even then my replies are purely for the good of all the members to aid clarity and avoid confusion.  But, clearly there is no point in me continuing on this site in an environment of negativity towards me or to what I am seeking to do in giving <information> for members to examine – since it is being rubbished, and not only that but in such a way that affects the perception of others who should have Free Will to examine the material presented and not be intimidated or put in fear by such implied labels as <dangerous, do not open> or <Alien source – Beware!> at the doorway of their what should be free-exploration... that is censorship and right-wing Hitler type jack-boot propaganda and 'lynch-mob policing' to control and limit freedom of speech.  

I'd like to think that the situation could change.  But I can't do anything about that situation, since I've only ever sought to present <information> for people to examine the content, and I do not attack people or denounce them.  If people attack what I am doing, rather than examining its content (the sole purpose for me being here) then I have to spend time writing such posts as this – and that is not only non-productive in what I seek to do, but also brings it down to personal levels and that is not what a discussion forum is about.  If this post seems to come over as personal, then that is because you wish to see it that way.  I speak here of the wider picture – the reality, which is the need for change from entrenched and narrow viewpoints.  That's the position.  And I call it as it is.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

McArthur,

You write:

quote:As for Edi's post well what i was really talking about was the way Mayatnik is encouraging people to open up to these "guides" without even questioning what they are or if the information being given is true (and i have shown a few occasions where the information from these "guides" has been proven to be blatently false-read my sig file). And as we saw in the thread titled "Through the Barrier - First step to channeling" that person had no training whatsoever but was still encouraged to open up and partly channel just in one conversation

There seems to be a communication problem here.  So, I would like to take this opportunity to state my position since yours has been well promoted and I have remained silent so far to let you have your say, which has been extensive.

Time and time again I hear the same 'message' coming across.  How many times do you feel you need to repeat it?  Not just you, but others also.  It sounds like some <propaganda war> that I find myself in, being shelled from many quarters.  Well, not all that many actually.  It just seems that way from the persistant clamour of your repeated and re-echoed insistences that people should listen to you.  I'm sure they've heard you.  So what is the point in keep repeating over and over again?

Is it to get me to comment?  Is it to get me to 'recapitulate' something?  There's not much I can say that will help you in your quest, because I too have spoken a similar message (although from a different angle, and not narrowly focused as yours is in its insistence) – and no-one seems to listen, no matter how many times I, and Edi have repeated it.

The plain simple fact is, that I do not encourage people to be 'channels' and they certainly can NOT become channelers just by wishing – which is what many on this site seem to want to do.  I have stressed this over and over again,and Edi too, until weary.  Without full training, guidance and discipline there is no telling what the person may receive – quite simply because conditioning gets in the way, not 'negs'.  'Negs' are a product of conditioning, and manifest in all manner of ways.  They are not dangerous, unless a person reacts badly due to lack of experience.  And the danger is not of 'attack' but of perception.  There is a very strong psychological element to this, and every care is taken to ensure that those who have tried telepathy at their own wish have been put into the right frame of mind to do so safely.  It has also been emphasized to them, and in many many posts that it is simply a conversation with 'spirit'.  If this was another website, or any situation akin, there would not be this outcry.

And what amazes me is that the excursions into <Astral Projection> and such are into realms of the total 'unknown' where there is NO predictability of what may occur.  People have come to us frightened, confused, and have told us they have no-one else they can ask.  They have tried various  'methods' and often feel a great sense of frustration, they say – because they "want to do what others are trying".  And we have explained and helped them to understand to the point where they feel much better.  Those people are not asked to have any experiences in any telepathic communication, and even those who eagerly – as many do – want to experience this anre not asked; it is of their wish, their own Free Will, just as it is if they read the contents of the forums elsewhere and wish to try this or that 'method' that this website promotes.  There seems to be no safeguard as to what members try that is put up on the forums.  That is not our business to interfere or to start some sort of soap-box <campaign> against that.  It is a matter of Free Will.  But, certain people do not seem to understand what Free Will means, nor about what members may do in private as a result of certain 'methods' and fear-inducing 'counter-methods' being so prominently displayed and promoted.  You have no idea the upset it can cause to members, but we have – because they have come to us for help!

I have been silent long enough.  I have posted quietly and often about the fact that with the right frame of mind telepathy is a gentle, wonderful and enriching experience, and that with the wrong frame of mind it will cause many problems.  So, no-one is entertained who wishes to try telepathy unless it is felt by the guides that they are 'ready' (and that means among many other things like conditioning also being in the right frame of mind.  And, it is not a one-off experience where they go off and 'do their thing'.  It is closely monitored, and ongoing support and training is given (which includes HOLDING BACK the person from trying too hard or too much until they are able to proceed further and can deal with it confidently.  At any time we can, and do, stop theim from proceeding further.

Fuzziwig, an experienced channeler and fully trained in all aspects has been WITHDRAWN from Channeling.  Not because  he has done anything dangerous, or even wrong.  It was simply beause he was inaccurate ONCE.  Time and time again we hear on this site about the 'inaccuracy of channelrs'.  Our channelers are not inaccurate.  But, if they are found to be then the ability is withdrawn, until such time as they may again be ready to return to it, or not as the case may be.  And the decision rests with the guide.  Whether you believe it, or accept it or not, that is the position.

I instructed Edi to post the announcement for which this thread was intended.  It was not intended as a vehicle for off-topic soap-box tactics which you are engaging in McArthur.
It was not intended to induce feeling of 'guilt' (as some have implied). If such 'guilt' exists, then it is in the mind of those hwo suggest it.   The announcement was simply to state that Fuzziwig will no longer be doing channeling until such time as the guides may decide, and he is perfectly happy with that and has in fact been following all the posts since then.  He has done a remarkle job, and it was solely through pressure of the constant uphill struggle to get his  channelings out in the face of sharply focused negativity from some persistant members that caused him to have a 'block' that resulted in an inaccuracy.  I have seen it suggest to the effect that Fuzzi should be receiving sufficient 'positive' energy to withstand all negativity.  Well, consider this analogy:  If an experienced swimmer is valiantly struggling through the waves and knows he can succeed, he still cannot achieve his goal if obstacles are constantly thrown into the 'water' such that they impede his movement.  Fuzzi spent much time trying to gently counter the attacks by channeling advice from the guides that would benefit members in these confusing times when they witness such negativity.  Fuzzi worked extremely long hours, from waking till sleeping – giving his time SOLELY for the benefit of members.  Edi, likewise, often gets only 3 or 4 hours sleep a 'day' and is totally dedicated to channeling the Zeta and his Pleiadian guide.  I have spent since June 15th last year on this site from waking till sleeping online for members, working non-stop for up to 48-hours a 'day' (a couple of times 60) and rarely less than 35 hours a 'day' to maintain the level of regular channeling and counseling support, as well as intensive training sessions so that such as Edi and Fuzziwig could benefit members for the guides in what is needed to be given in information at this time in our evolution.  And, during all that, whatever we have done has not been considered 'good enough', or not the 'right way' by certain members.  How those members are is a matter of their Free Will.  As Edi said, they can shoot us all, one by one.  We don't mind.  We've been here to do a job.  But, the tragedy is, what affect those several core-agitators have on the other members of this site.  And the guides have been concerned about that, and the welfare of members, because of such negativity and resistance to things new being introduced without THEIR agreement to the way it is done.  (Often is has been evident from posts that those particular members do not even read, or at most scantily, read only what they want to see, of our posts that explain all the things they complain so much about).

You don't know me.  I know the Psychic Defence 'methods' and such.  I am a Reiki Master, and such things are part of the training to understand and implement where necessary.  I am also not only proficient with Magick and can deal with all forms, but have performed exorcisms requested of me by clergymen.  And when I say that there is no good reason to arm onself against telepathic contact, and to do so can be dangerous, it is because I know.

This has gone far enough.  You have had your say.  And now I have had mine.   I will not engage in your kind of mentality in dealing with things.  And so I am leaving this site.  Do with it what you will, because I shall not be here.

To the many good people who form the majority of this site, I thank you  and the considerable number I hav come to know I shall miss you.   Take Care my friends, and remember – Free Will is what makes you the way you are, but Free Will can also prevent others from achieving their goal if it is willful and restrictive.  So love one other, be happy and know that only you can make it so.  And in the end, Love is all that matters.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
Always,

MAYATNIK.

[Z: Good question. Apart from the things that would have to be put into the right perspective, they have their own role to play, which is, concentrating on certain issues, denying others, and presenting "information" that can be accepted or not after due consideration. This is what we mean, we cannot tell you "yes, all what they write is true", because on the one hand, it isn't, and on the other hand, you cannot base your decisions about accepting material only on the words of others.]

HEPHAESTUS,

Thank you for listing the 'differences' as you see them in the channelings, because we can now look at these as highlighted examples to examine.

The whole of my post above was about viewing channelings like the pieces of a jig-saw puzzle – and in virtually every sentence was contained a clue to help sort these pieces of information out that are channelled.  I used words such as 'polarization', 'middle-ground', 'them and us' and gave analogies to aid understanding to cause a shift in present perception – since those 'keys' I emphasized have beset mankind in his history to hold him back from growth due to conditioning.  The first object of channelings is to break that conditioning so that people can then begin to see clearly so that 'factor' is built in along with <information> that can be researched or common sense and intuition applied after considering what conditioning may be fogging in the reader's perception.  Throughout, discussion should take place so that people of whatever perception can examine what others are finding as the pieces begin to fall into place.  In that way a higher perspective can then be reached.

There were also key passages in my post that focussed on various aspects, to emphasize points, and I give these here to highlight for review (refer to my original post for full context), so that they can be examined more closely for the important clues that are pointed to.

1:

quote: members should not overlook such as the Arcturians either, or the Andromedans, and similar... as well as our own channelings from the Pleiadians and Zeta – to add to perception. Each of these has their purpose at this time in coming into the consciousness of the people of Earth. Each presents a 'facet', and particularly a 'hook' that certain people will find themselves attracted to at their present level of perception.

KEYWORDS:
perception,
purpose,
consciousness,
'facet',
'hook'.
Attracted to.


2:

quote: What lies behind all this extra-planetary interaction that is reaching the Earth at this time is all for one purpose, whatever the 'source' may seem to be. All is, as the Pleiadians say, thus "allowed" by the rules of the Higher Realms, many of which rules are not comprehended by those on Earth but are in place to ensure our growth without interference with our Free Will. And so, it is important for our growing perception to encounter this 'unknown' in the variety of such transmissions and subsequent interaction from people.

KEYWORDS:
lies behind,
whatever the 'source',
"allowed" by the rules of the Higher Realms,
ensure our growth,
Free Will,
Growing perception,
Encounter in the variety of transmissions,
Subsequent interaction from people.


3:

quote: Whatever the 'name' of the channeled species, they are working together – each with their own 'agenda' to assist. This means, essentially, that each is bringing a 'facet' that one or another will immediately identify with according to their present perception, and then by discussion it can be seen that the other 'facets' are really part of one and the same; this is the nature of perception, and the way in which we grow if we do not polarize.

KEYWORDS:
Working together,
Each with own 'agenda',
To assist,
Bringing a 'facet',
One or another will identify with,
According to present perception,
Other 'facets' [part of the whole].
We grow if we do ot polarize.

4:

quote: Each of these species, rather than being in opposition to each other, are in concert. The whole thing is orchestrated at a Galactic level to bring us new awareness as we encounter the 'waves', the bringers of movement that rocks our <comfort zone> 'middle ground' thinking to promote change through altered perception if we listen with positive openness and apply common sense and intuition to shed the conditioning that society ('civilization' through the ages) has imposed to colour and dull our senses until now. In this way we are being Awakened to a New Dawn.

KEYWORDS:
In concert – orchestrated at Galactic level.
New awareness,
Rocks <comfort zone>,
Promotes change,
Altered perception,
Shed conditioning.


5:

quote:So, please do not see channelings – from whatever species – as being 'good', 'bad', or 'rubbish' according to your perception. Those emotive words cause polarization and the thought-forms so generated by individuals who respond in negative ways only confuses further. Perception of 'good' and 'bad' is only what humans know, from their local and very limited viewpoint, and is entirely coloured by conditioning (largely from religions, and these have 'set in stone' those notions).

KEYWORDS:
Emotive words cause polarization,
Negative responses confuse further,
Very limited [human] viewpoint,
'set in stone' notions.

6:
We channelers of the Pleiadians and Zeta know much about this that we do NOT tell you, because these are things for you to learn from interaction and discussion of the various differences you perceive around you. If we were to tell you the truth about these things then you would be denied the opportunity to learn about them, and would only be able to accept what we said there as 'blind belief' and that is not the way forward. So, we are asked by our guides to only reveal that which they wish to be made public at any time. And that we adhere to, as part of the Greater Plan which all species are working in and similarly present in their own various ways to you

KEYWORDS:
Things to learn from interaction,
Perceived differences around you [on Earth],
Opportunity to learn, not 'blind faith',
Only reveal that which they wish at any time,
All species working to Greater Plan,
Presented in their own way.

—o—

Now, to remind members, let's see exactly what it was that the Zeta said about the Cassiopaeans, in reply to the question you'd asked of them in the Zeta Conversations thread channelled by Edi:

(I have highlighted certain keywords here in red,
and my channelled comments in black following.
Parts for special attention are emphasised in bold).

(Question for Zeta from Hephaestus)
5) What can you tell me about the cassiopaeans?

Z: The cassiopaeans are also involved with earth, and the channelings are genuine.
[this means that the channeler received correctly what was transmitted].
The information they present is alright (non-committal) and can without doubt be considered. [scrutinized, looked at carefully].

E: Is it true?

Z: Good question. Apart from the things that would have to be put into the right perspective, they have their own role to play, which is, concentrating on certain issues, denying others, and presenting "information" that can be accepted or not after due consideration. This is what we mean, we cannot tell you "yes, all what they write is true", because on the one hand, it isn't, and on the other hand, you cannot base your decisions about accepting material only on the words of others.

E: Are the cassiopaeans working at your side?

Z: No. [They, quite literally, are not at the side of the speaker.  In addition, they are not part of the 'central group' based on the Mothership for the Earth Project – they, like some others, work independently, but obeying the strict 'rules' of the Federation for the Earth Project].

E: What's the general state with channelings on earth?

Z: You see, there are those that would like to influence to the good, and those that would do the opposite.
[This reference is to the Greater 'good', and not in the sense understood on Earth.  Things that are perceived to be 'bad' on Earth are felt to be 'good' – i.e. the 'right' thing to do – by those people that perform those actions so it is according to their 'perception'.  According to the 'Greater Good' for ALL in galactic terms, all things must be made right and even 'bad' can be transmuted into 'good' by lessons that are learned.  Evolution is about learning, and if experiences are limited then those lessons of wisdom can not be learned.  So Free Will is given, and all is "allowed" for this to become so, either in choices for good or lessons to be learned otherwise.  This applies not only to humans but to all species in the galaxy (and beyond, though our  galaxy is the concern to understand here)].

Control or liberate. Alien species are allowed to work _through_ people, which means, if someone on earth decides to contact 'bad' being somewhere, he's free to channel them. In this way, all imaginable sorts of information is pulled onto earth.
This leads to confusion if you try to put all into perspective, because not all is true, and not all is what it seems at first sight.
[Whatever the reader of channelings can grasp will be according to his/her perception, and since the channelings are 'facets' and often attract particular types of people they are not presented publically as one 'truth' but according to how they will be received and for many things to be learned from them that are not immediatlely obvious.  Essentially then, channelings are for people to learn from, so all should be considered and not simply passed over.]

All outside sources present information as they see it fit.
['Outside sources' here means all those not directly participating in the core group connected with the Mothership, as the others do not closely work with them and are only bound by the 'rules' of the Federation that allows them to access Earth and its people.  The Cassiopaeans are not in the core-group.  We, the channelers in our group on the Astral Pulse, have discussions with our guides concerning these matters as with many other facets.  But, in working with our guides, only those things that are permitted at any one time can be made public, since otherwise the lessons planned and orchestrated can not be learned by those who read channelings, so we necessarily know more than we can reveal in order to assist the guides at their subtle level of teaching which, for the reader, means breaking conditioning in people.]

E: And how should one deal with that situation?

Z: How to deal with it? Well, to what extent do you let channeled material influence your life? It's stupid to accept anything as fact.
You see, there are lots of things about the history of earth in all channelings, and there are some general lines that seem to make sense. This will all grow clearer over time and is something that needs time to research and develop. What is channeled needs to be backed up by facts on earth that are found by your scientists. So you can build a picture of what is real and what not.
[Here the Zeta are in complete accord with what Hephaestus asserts about the Cassiopaeans encouraging people to research – and in fact I can attest to similar with the Pleiadians as my guide, when I was first being trained by her (I had no human teacher to train me) told me an enormous amount about the history of the Earth, our origins, and Ancient Civilizations.  It was only after being given all that information telepathically, hour after hour every day and week after week, did I discover when she asked me to go to various bookshelves in the shops and pick out at random a number of books... that those books, by channelers (I didn't even know what a 'channeler' was at that time, or that such things were published), translators of Ancient Texts, surveyors and archaeologists and even some non-mainstream physicists of high repute... all had written what I had learned just by telepathy.  I bought the books and took them home.  With great difficulty, due to my very poor eyesight, I read them - verifying that all was indeed as I had been told by my guide, and there were things not in the books that I had been told by her – yet all fitted like pieces of a jig-saw, closely correlating and making sense to give me an amazing new and profound picture of what reality truly was.
Those books I'd been 'directed' to find by choosing seemingly at random from the bookshelves (my guide had said "Run your hand along the shelf until I say 'stop' and then pull out the book your fingers are on") weren't 'random' at all because she obviously knew which books to direct my hand to, and bearing in mind I could not see the titles without the aid of a magnifier since I am Registered Blind.  More books I was later to 'find' were evidence in abundance that all she had told me was true – the 'facts' were written there when I opened those books.  Some of those facts written, she had explained about but told me the errors in them where they existed, and those books sit on my bookshelf (unable to read them again, so great would be the effort and eyestrain) for 'reference' if anyone should need to refer to them – and in fact a list of the most important (and highly or totally accurate) books are now int the Astral Pulse Library, as MAYATNIK's BOOK RECOMMENDATIONS, placed there by Frank, a Moderator, who wanted that booklist along with my reviews of them to be preserved for the benefit of all fuiture members of the AP... so, if you want to research accuracy, then there they are waiting for you.]

E: I'm uncomfortable with channeling historical facts.
Z: This is because you are concentrating on other issues. You don't read as much on it as others do, and channeling it is difficult for you at the moment. Some people concentrate more on the historical and scientific aspects, others are more concerned with people and how they interact.
E: Like me.
Z: So there's nothing else you can do than just letting things evolve by themselves.
[Edi, who I consider to be a well educated person and have enjoyed many good chats with him, is at university whilst I, in contrast, had a very poor education scoring low marks in all but English.  I found no difficulty in channelling 'historic' facts about such as the Sumerians because my guide had told me – story fashion – about it all, how it really was.  I could never have studied those things or any others anyway, due to my virtual blindness.  What I have noticed over these years of channelling since 1995, is that educated people have the most conditioning to shed bccause of how the education 'system' works in instilling only prescribed material and ridiculing that which does not conform to the 'establishment' view.  Despite the restraints of a formal education, Edi has actually shed virtually all of his conditioning to progress and cross new frontiers of perception – and then went on to acquire the skills and high discipline required of a good channeler].

—o—

Let's turn now to Hephaestus's comparison of 'differences' between the Cassiopaean and Zeta/Reptian channelings that he compiled.
(I quote him in dark red)

I dont understand how we can accept the channelings from all the species such as the Cassiopeans AND Zetas etc and consider them all correct

I didn't say they were correct.  if you refer to my quotes 1 to 6  above, you will see that I explained in detail what it was all about... and if you compare those quotes then with the Zeta response to your question regarding the Cassiopaeans you will find that not only do they explain similarly, but they also state categorically that there will be differences and not to just accept things that are channeled, and that not all is true for the reasons explained (and for which I also gave analogies in my previous post above, so that the reasons for  this would be clear once conditioning is put aside, so it would be a good idea to read my post again and think how the analogies can be applied here for a better understanding)..

You simply assumed and that was as a result of misreading, and in places missing altogether, what had been carefully explained.  Many do this because their conditioned 'rational' mind tricks them and they skip over (word blindness) the parts that do not 'fit' what the mind rationalizes to be absolute.  This is why intuition (which does not use the 'rational' part of the mind allows greater 'vision') is therefore able very easily to enhance perception.  That coupled with common sense is the key to understanding what is really being said in a channeling piece.

You see in the Zeta thread they said the Cassiopeans are a good source of information

You see how the word-blindness can come about now?  If you refer to the Zeta response I pasted above (with my comments) you can see that the Zeta gave a lot of information about how to look at the Cassiopaean and other similar channelings.  They did not say it was correct, or even a good source of information.  What they said in brief (refer above for the full) was that it was "genuine" and could without doubt be "considered" (i.e. examined as a valid channeling).


The differences in information between the different channeling groups is GINORMOUS and cannot go ignored

There is CLEARLY something not right here

That much is obvious.  So, let's see what it might be, eh?   And to save endless comparisons we can use common sense and intuition here... and examine a few of the transcript examples you give in your latest post which you added.....

The Zeta said the Cassiopaens' channelings should be 'considered' ...... so, let's consider one example in the light of what the Zeta said about Jesus having been crucified:

Quoted from a Cassio channeling:

Q: (L) Was Jesus crucified?
A: No.
controversial contradiction

Q: (L) Was somebody crucified?
A: Too vague.
The answer doesn't make sense.
It's like asking:
Did a fish get caught this morning? No.
Do fish swim in the water there?   Too vague.
Of course somebody got crucified (whether Jesus was or not).  It was a common occurrence, and thieves (as described in the gospels) were crucified.
Not vague, twas a fact.
Also, there is substantial circumstancial evidence more than adequately researched that supports the whole of the events surrounding the crucifixion, down to small details that are attested to from history by Prof Barbara Thiering and others.

Q: (L) Was somebody crucified on a cross and represented to be Jesus?
A: No.
this is saying that somebody didn't pin a 'label' on some real character and say for history it was 'Jesus' wot died.  That would have been an obvious thing to do, since it was a common occurrence.  So, the 'no' here would seem to imply that since nobody tried to pretend that this 'Jesus' died on a cross then the gospel testimony is very likely true that Jesus did die on a cross, by that inverted 'logic'.


Q: (L) There was no crucifixion, there was no resurrection after three days, is that correct?
A: Close.
How close can you get?
Or, should I say – How close can they get to veiled sarcasm?

Q: (L) Okay, what is the truth on that matter?
A: Left earth plane on ship after extended sleep state.
Implying, if you've swallowed the rest you're likely to swallow this whopper.
No.  This is likely to be true.  Try using your intuition.
(I know the answer to this, but I'm deliberately not using channeling here – putting myself in the shoes of the reader)

Q: (L) When did he go into this sleep state? Did he just go in one day and go to bed and go to sleep and then a
ship came and picked him up?
A: Close.
Not very helpful are they?  Would you invite them to your party?

Q: (L) So he appeared to his followers to have died?
A: They thought this.
Ah... This sounds probable (intuition).
But, hang on...... there's something fishy here.
If he's supposed to have been picked up in a ship ("close" they say)... then he's not there.  He's not only 'died' but disappeared as well.  That's not natural.  Didn't this dawn on them?  I mean, "He wasn't crucified" they say, So..........?
I could think of many questions to ask them about that.


Hephaestus says - This is another interesting quote from a Cassio channeling, not related to the Jesus info:

Ok, Heph.  Let's see what we can make of this one.


Q: (L) Was the human race genetically engineered to be slaves?
A: Yes.
Too vague.  This is only true in part, according to Zecharia Sitchin, and in fact only concerned one small element in Africa – not the main genetic development area known as the 'Garden of Eden' (The Edyn, in Sumer – 100 miles south of Baghdad, in Iraq as it is known today, as historic evidence shows.

Q: (L) And who were the genetic engineers of this slavehood?
A: Lizard beings.
This is where you have to think.
There were many 'creator Gods' says Barbara Marciniak.
The 'caduceus', the entwined serpent emblem of the Medical Profession originated in Sumer and is clearly associated by the ancient texts to the 'Garden Of Eden', the place where Man was genetically engineered.
There were several such 'engineerings' of genetics, spaced out often over Millenia (as the Zeta have explained, also myself and Marciniak channeling the Pleiadians,).
It was the 'snake' in the Garden of Eden wot gave the Christian Church the notion that Man had fallen from grace because a 'serpent' had tempted Eve.  Ancient texts, heavily suppressed by the Church (I wonder why?) tell a different story – that of some of the Gods seeing the beauty of Earth's women seduced them and so hybrids were born having remarkable 'powers' and charismatic countenances "like the sun".  The matriarchal period gave way to that of the patriarchal, and the era of Kingship was born, and the Pharoahs.
But that was long after the original 'epic' was recorded of the Garden Of Eden itself, where first men (not just one Adam) were created and after which, following many tinkerings with the genetics a genetically-compatible female was produced that had the required characteristics and after much 'monitoring' was found suitable as a 'mate' and so the colony was then let out of the confines of the Eden 'laboratory' area and started to populate the Earth.
We know, from archaeological excavations and work in other science-related fields, that various 'evolutions' of Man occurred, often with no obvious link between them to account for changes which from findings appeared remarkable leaps.  One such leap, in particular, became known as the 'missing link' period – where to this day no apparent reason for the dramatic jump forward can be found to solve the riddle.  Man had suddenly, from nowhere arrived at the hight of a civilization, the Sumerian, with highly sophisticated infrastructure of medical, educational, scientific, even astronomy records from that Ancient Civilization reveal knowledge of all the planets and even their orbits – many of these celestial bodies only being 'discovered' (??) by modern science in very recent times.  In those ancient times they even knew the world was round not flat, and furthermore several highly detailed maps have been excavated that show a level of skill in cartography that is only today reached by the use of computers and interestingly, satellite imaging.  Yet, there was a map of the Antarctic showing its exact countours (this from an Ancient  civilization in the Middle East!); until recently it has not been possible to map those contours accurately by modern science since most of the outline was hidden by ice and it was satellite imaging again that brought out the detail.  So, I leave you to figure out how it was originally done without <modern science> as we know it.

The Lizard Beings or 'Lizzies' as they have become to be called, following David Icke's hype, didn't actually make any real 'connection' in our history as documented until much later than the Garden of Eden, and it was early Witchcraft that gave the 'reptile' image prominence, and was quickly crushed by the foot of the Church (as depicted in much iconography) in the same way that they have ever sice sought to crush Paganism.......and so it became a myth.

Let's assume you decide at this point to ask a channeler (not usually possible with any freedom, but here on the Astral Pulse both the Zeta and Pleiadians offer that unique  service for members) to give some comments and answers to the remaining questions in this little 'sample' section about the Lizard Beings and such.

Here's Edi who will channel the Zeta on this:

E: Were any 'lizards', i.e., reptilian beings, involved with the genetic engineering of mankind?
Z: Yes. Bearing in mind that the reptilian form is very common, this is no surprise. There have been reptilians evolving on earth before mankind was 'born', but those were not the ones who have been involved in this engineering.
E: Where those reptilians part of a bigger program that was going on in order to 'create' mankind?
Z: Yes, indeed. There was a cooperation between various species who each contributed what they could to make a suitable environment for development of individual souls on earth. This cooperation also included beings you would classify as 'reptilian'.
E: What was the plan behind that?
Z: As a world develops the necessary ecology to support intelligent life, there is often assistance given in order to speed up evolution. This is done so that a place can be quickly (compared to natural evolution without interference) made a home for third density entities' experiences.
E: Now about this enslavement... how seriously did it affect mankind?
Z: Little. In a certain part of the world there has been influence by the Annunaki who would have liked to have slaves. This enslavement however came to an end and the traces of it slowly faded out, although they are still present to some extent.
E: Fine. Were there 'lizard beings' involved in this latter manipulation by the Annunaki?
Z: Yes, indeed. What was answered by the Cassiopeians about their origin is true.
E: Does this link them in any way with you?
Z: No. A star system contains so many planets that you still find many of them that are inhabitable.
E: Are species that are similar in appearance or physical form to mix with each other?
Z: Yes, and this is often the case. You have roughly said the seperation in self-oriented and other-oriented groups. Those different orientations do not mix well together, but among the same orientation, there are pretty fluffy boundaries.

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Ok.  Thanks Edi.

Let's continue now as before, and I'll take a look (again, as if I were you and not a channeler) at the last 'sample' that Hephaestus has kindly provided.......

Cassios speaking about the Anunaki:

quote:

Q: (L) Who were the Annunaki?
A: Aliens.
No problem there.  This is well documented, both historically and in channelings

Q: (L) Where were they from?
A: Zeta Reticuli?
Several species are said to have come originallhy from Zeta Reticuli.  The Annunaki is a generic name, and refers to several species, not just the Nibiruans, in most texts – although they have been associated with Nibiru (The Planet of Crossing) or Planet-X to give it its scientific name.

Q: (L) Do they come here every time the comet cluster is approaching to sap the souls energy created by the
fear, chaos and so forth?
A: Yes.
There is no evidence that supports a 'comet cluster', but there is a lot of correlatory evidence, both from the Dead Sea Scrolls and other Ancient Texts – as well as many channelings, most notably from Pleiadian sources such as Barbara Hand Clow and Amorah Quan Yin, that tells of the events surrounding Nibiru, a large planet that once was, called Tiamat, (and which is now the Asteroid Belt) and the large elliptical "slingshot" orbit of Nibiru connecting in its wide reach our solar system and a 'second sun', Sirius A.  The Dogon tribe of Africa knew abut Sirius B long before it was discovered by 'science' and the "Gods who came from the stars", along with a detailed map and figures of the exact orbit, mass and diameter of this 'invisible' star that is only detectable by the perturbations it causes in its area – and yet a 'primitive' tribe knew these things and have been much studied by scientists.  As Michael Caine would say, "Not a lot of people know that".   Sort of rocks the scientific boat, doesn't it?

Do you notice the leading question:
" approaching to sap the souls energy created by the
fear, chaos and so forth".
And the very short answer: Yes.
Well, the shortness of the answer is predictable by now.  I mean, these guys are not exactly socialites, are they?
As for the questioner leading there (bad technique!) it smells like Relgious fear-mongering to me.


Q: (L) The two events are loosely interrelated?
A: Yes.
There is no record of fear in the Ancient Texts

Q: (L) Is that why they are here now?
A: Close.
Perhaps this word 'close' is a prompt, to get the person to ask further on this, as to why they are "here now"?
Many correlating sources would suggest that the Annunaki are not coming back, though Nibiru will approach within 14 million miles as it passes, and there will be effects from gravitational and electromagnetic influences on our planet, as was the case in the recorded passage at the time of Noah.
But, the questioner does not pursue this interesting line, and merely moves on.....

Q: (L) Is there a large fleet of space-ships riding a wave, so to speak, approaching our planet?
A: Yes.
Well, science fiction of the Star Wars variety would suggest this.  However, all other evidence points contrary to this – that, in fact, the 'aliens' (and this does not mean the Annunaki) are already here

Q: (L) Where are these ships from?
A: Zeta Reticuli.
That figures.  Everything seems to come from there, doesn't it?  And the full name of the Zeta are........well, it's obvious isn't it?


Q: (L) When will they arrive?
A: 1 month to 18 years.
Such precision!  Is this a leg-pull.  It must be the widest estimate ever... beyond credibility, certainly

Well, there you have it.  I've taken a look at these 'sample' transcripts as if I were you or anyone........but not as myself, a channeler as such.... Just to illustrate how you might go about beginning to try to make sense of channelings.

I'm glad we channel the Pleiadians and zeta.  Ever such nice beings, and so communicative and helpful with explanations.  I am not permitted to comment on other species on a personal level, being a channeler, so I must leave you with this brief look at what has been presented.

Enjoy the journey !

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

Regarding some members' interest in the Cassiopaeans.....

This is good.  And, in fact, members should not overlook such as the Arcturians either, or the Andromedans, and similar... as well as our own channelings from the Pleiadians and Zeta – to add to perception.     Each of these has their purpose at this time in coming into the consciousness of the people of Earth.  Each presents a 'facet', and particularly a 'hook' that certain people will find themselves attracted to at their present level of perception.

Up till now, on the Earth, our History has shown from our dealings with other humans sharing this planet of ours a 'them and us' mentality that is part of the conditioning that has held back our evolution from what it could have been in our growth.  Very recently though, a new 'wave' of consciousness by people is allowing a focus on what was hitherto seen as 'alien' in our own society, our own people of Earth.... And so, in small steps, people are beginning to see that we are all Family Of Man, wherever we are.  Many are now questioning our leaders who still promote war or at least strong denial of what the reality really is in situations, in order to obtain <peace> (essentially, return to their <comfort zone> way of thinking, and the promulgation of the 'them and us' to sustain this).  Now emerging, over the last few decades, has been the awareness of not just that which has been 'alien' to our backyard perception of reality in what is on the surface of our planet, but the off-planet 'aliens' now reaching more and more into our perception for examination and coming to terms with.

So it is, that what has actually been there (and there is evidence going back millennia) all the time, is now coming to the forefront as new 'knowledge' is placed before us by these 'off-planetarians' (the Russian literal translation of the word ETs, i.e. Extra-Terrestrial Beings, a more acceptive connotation than the word 'alien').   Due to heavy conditioning, Man is still highly suspicious and therefore polarized views colour his perception as these 'new' Beings arrive on the doorstep of his limited perspective.

It is not so long ago, that America was hysterical about the notion given to them by their government that the Russians could be infiltering everywhere (the so-called "Reds under the bed").   This had incited  in the people totally misfounded mistrust, as recently published  government archives have revealed along with admissions that  the government had simply  'assumed', in their fear of the unknown about those 'alien people', that the Russians might be a threat and that it was the 'confused interpretation' of their <intelligence (??) sources> that had put them in that spin.   What has been learned from that lesson regarding our interaction with others?  Because from earthbound introspection and delusion Man is now encountering more and more other realms wider than our earthbound perception but which nevertheless can be related to, with the right will, by common sense and intuition along with 'local' lessons in our History that should have been learned... because now humans are encountering the Wider Family off-planet; those Beings in our Galaxy who are trying to teach people things from their greater wisdom because they see far more than man sees in his 'backyard' view.   Things are NOT the way they seem.  So, dissecting (the 'mocroscope' mentality of science) prevents seeing the greater whole, and it is not in the 'surface' or minutae but how it relates to Earth-perception as a whole... and it can not be therefore expected to accord with present perception so any relating can only be at a tangent, hence the need to keep an 'open' mind on new things rather than basing an evaluation on the 'set in stone' assumptions that have accumulated over the ages whether these be societal or psychological or misperceptual 'Tales of the Unknown' derived.

In all communication it is the perception of the receiver that is important as to whether the <information> will get through the 'fog' and be understood.  And understanding of what is heard is but a step along the way, never complete in itself.  In this way, even the obvious may often not be obvious to the recipient of a channelling (the reader of what is transcribed by the channeler) and yet has been clearly said.

As an example, from the Cassiopaeans above:
A: Yes.
Q: (L) When we speak from Orion we are "Orions". When from Pleiades, we are "Pleiadian", and so on.
Q: (L) So, all of these channeled books you have mentioned are coming from the same basic source, through different channels, that they are able to connect with because of their different positions in space time and preparation level of the channels, is that correct?
A: Close. We have given you a Wave crest locator. We are from where we are and speak. Get it?
Q: (L) You are the wave crest?
A: We are Marciniak's Pleiadians. We are where we are.
Q: (T) So, you are not really Cassiopaeans from the Constellation Cassiopeia?
A: We are Transient Passengers.

What lies behind all this extra-planetary interaction that is reaching the Earth at this time is all for one purpose, whatever the 'source' may seem to be.  All is, as the Pleiadians say, thus "allowed" by the rules of the Higher Realms, many of which rules are not comprehended by those on Earth but are in place to ensure our growth without interference with our Free Will.   And so, it is important for our growing perception to encounter this 'unknown' in the variety of such transmissions and subsequent interaction from people.  The Cassiopaeans describe it as a 'wave'; it is a 'wave of perception', and, like any wave it causes interaction as people 'bob up and down' in that current wave they perceive – whether it be from the Pleiadians, the Cassiopaeans, the Zeta or whoever, it is all from the sea of Knowledge that is now washing our consciousnesses carrying particles of Truth for us to gain from.  By going with the 'flow' each successive wave, rather than bringing turbulence of thought to cause panic in the waves of these new waters we are beginning to swim in, should be seen as an opportunity to calmly discuss what these various interactions are bringing, and thus a state of buoyancy is then achieved where we can begin to swim with meaningful strokes and absence of fear in the sea of galactic evolution.

Whatever the 'name' of the channeled species, they are working together – each with their own 'agenda' to assist.  This means, essentially, that each is bringing a 'facet' that one or another will immediately identify with according to their present perception, and then by discussion it can be seen that the other 'facets' are really part of one and the same; this is the nature of perception, and the way in which we grow if we do not polarize.

Polarisation of thought is not productive, since it is 'exclusive' by definition.  And if we exclude other input then we deny ourselves the opportunity to learn new things.  New things will only appear 'good' if the person perceives this to be so, and polarization defines the lack of this 'attribute' perceived as then being 'bad' when really it is only a matter of the person's perception in a narrow (i.e. polarized) view.

'Taking the Middle Ground' is an oft quoted philosophy for achieving 'balance' by so-called 'impartial inspection'.  In reality, those who do so often remain there, forever seeking to mimimize the often widely fluctuating excursions of people's thoughts and seeing them as irrational, whichever 'side of the see-saw' they are perceived to be on.  So, that again is not going to provide the 'answer' being sought, only a minimization of perturbations, and any increasing acceptance of taking the 'middle ground' merely goes forward in a linear fashion ignoring all at the 'sides', in the periphery of perception.

Both Polarization and 'Middle Ground' thinking have been variously the root cause of most problems in a world that has centred and oriented itself on Religion and Philosophy from these 'concepts'.

Applying common sense however, will reveal that in a see-saw's movements (to retain this analogy, and the 'wave' is a similar analogy) the more extreme the movements are seen to be then the harder it is to achieve 'balance'.  Yet, what is balance?  It is not 'middle ground', because that implies stasis, an absence of movement or at the very least a restriction of that movement.  So, we should not restrict that which is new from coming into our perception, and if the  Universe was to reach stasis then all life would cease because life IS movement and especially of thought.  Thus, what is being presented now from the Galaxy contains 'difference' in aspects – and this is necessary for us, so that we can examine and discuss.... both the 'detail' of what is said and what it might mean, and also the implications that arise when we consider our present perceptions – and that is to promote change in our perception, and therefore growth in our evolution.

Each of these species, rather than being in opposition to each other, are in concert.  The whole thing is orchestrated at a Galactic level to bring us new awareness as we encounter the 'waves', the bringers of movement that rocks our <comfort zone> 'middle ground' thinking to promote change through altered perception if we listen with positive openness and apply common sense and intuition to shed the conditioning that society ('civilization' through the ages) has imposed to colour and dull our senses until now.  In this way we are being Awakened to a New Dawn.

We channelers, in our Telepathy Project group here on the Astral Pulse, present both the Teachings (gentle introduction of new ways to look at things) of the Pleiadians – through our individual guides – and also the Zeta.  Both these 'sources' are in accord, but present in their own way.  They in actuality work together on the Earth Project, as do the Arcturians for example who have donated their Mothership technology for all those species who are present in our locality at this time to work onboard.  Others, not centrally involved in this way, are nevertheless contributing various 'aspects' that have been preplanned to bring to the consciousness of humans at this time, and is all part of the Greater Plan.

So, please do not see channelings – from whatever species – as being 'good', 'bad', or 'rubbish' according to your perception.  Those emotive words cause polarization and the thought-forms so generated by individuals who respond in negative ways only confuses further.  Perception of 'good' and 'bad' is only what humans know, from their local and very limited viewpoint, and is entirely coloured by conditioning (largely from religions, and these have 'set in stone' those notions).  We channelers of the Pleiadians and Zeta know much about this that we do NOT tell you, because these are things for you to learn from interaction and discussion of the various differences you perceive around you.  If we were to tell you the truth about these things then you would be denied the opportunity to learn about them, and would only be able to accept what we said there as 'blind belief' and that is not the way forward.  So, we are asked by our guides to only reveal that which they wish to be made public at any time.  And that we adhere to, as part of the Greater Plan which all species are working in and similarly present in their own various ways to you.   Please do not treat these words I say as some kind of ego-centred 'exclusivity' in knowledge we are given and do not pass on.  Neither should the guides be regarded as "treating people like children" in an arrogant sense.  The guides have Unlimited Love and Compassion, and that is why they only introduce what is needed at the time in ANY channelings.  Much of the reality from those realms is far beyond that which science or the 'rational' analysis can perceive from one 'wave' of this new knowledge, and it takes the combined 'facets' that are deliberately presented by each species to build up an altered perception ...... which will then lead to the ability to see the true reality.  A good Teacher builds and does not overwhelm with that which is new, because otherwise it defeats the object and nothing is learned and so could only be accepted as 'blind belief' (yet another 'religion') or total misunderstanding from present perception (and which perception must gradually grow before people can know as opposed to 'believing').

Finally, there is still a misperception about what 'channeling' is, and that does not help since it causes the fear syndrome to continue; fear that channelings may deceive; fear that channelings may influence people to think differently and so rock the <comfort zone> of the person who feels they must object to these channelings "for a person's own good" or whatever reason they come up with to interfere with the Free Will of others to examine what they don't wish to look at as it worries and often frightens them; fear that the channelings are 'evil' (which implies to damn us forever if we listen to them – whereas, in reality, ALL should be viewed not from the narrowness of religious conditioning but from common sense of content to be examined with a positive approach).   And then, there is the perennial chestnut – "Is it accurate".  This you cannot know, and should stop worrying about it, until you have examined it thoroughly in as much reading of that as you can manage.  And even then - after all that - it will be according to your perception and your openness and receptivity to all things new, how well you really understand what is being said.

The question of <accuracy> in what is received (actually6, what is published rather than just 'received' if the channeler is a good one and is working according to the instructions of their guide) is subject to much confusion in people encountering channelings - apart from the fact that, as I have said, only 'steps along the way' are revealed in channelings and not the full picture anyway so 'accuracy' is a non-definable word in that respect since it can not be evaluated from limited knowledge.  We have come through a time when such as Trance-Channelings (typically the acknowledged very accurate channelings of such as Edgar Cayce) are contrasted against 'contact' that people may have from time to time with so-called 'spirits'.  Since much of this 'spirit' communication in our recent history has been done by people using such as ouija boards (proven to be dangerous, since they attract lower-entities like elementals and such), and, on the less frivolous/ad-hoc level via meditation in semi-trance state there is the common view – promoted by 'New Age Thinking' that all are <channels> when this is very much NOT the case.  All those forms of 'contact' (ouija board or meditation etc, for example) are merely experiences along the way in Man's perception, and are only part of the spectrum of etheric perception that started at those levels and is now at a new stage.  The criteria to judge channelings starts with the question "Has that person shed their preconditioning?" – in other words, have they put behind them past notions, and this will be evidenced in the channelings that will often show a marked difference to present societal perception.  And, have YOU put behind you preconceptions that prevent you from reading or absorbing, to seek new foundations, these new and often strange (to your present perception) channelings from whatever species, be they Cassiopaeans, Pleiadian, Zeta or whatever?  Clearly, unless you know they are correct then you cannot say they are not.  And you cannot know until you read them, and think with common sense and intuition, about all things that are presently in your <comfort zone> and are now being brought into question by these channelings.   KNOWING means simply arriving at that altered perception, not a retention of the current perception that rejects those things.  In that way you get past the 'belief' barrier of conditioning and can then cross new frontiers of open exploration, and that is what these channelings are all about – to enable mankind to grow and evolve.  Because we are children of the stars, and our 'parents' beyond the playroom door of our brightly coloured 'models' that are our early perceptions are now teaching us the true reality, a reality that is not what it seems right now.

All these things I have given here on the instructions of my guide who is a Pleiadian, channeled to help you put the various pieces of the jig-saw puzzle together regarding differences in channelings.  I don't find a problem in those differences, since they are only 'aspects' of the same thing and presented deliberately in contrast.  I talk every day also with the Zeta, but do not channel them often explicitly because my interaction with them is mainly for checking details, and I have in fact been in communication with the Zeta since 1995 on a regular basis (my intitial contacts were with the Zeta, for many hours each day, before getting my Pleiadian guide).  And I have talked with quite a number of other species in the galaxy.  So, I have more than abundant knowledge regarding why and how they are all working together on the Earth Project.  In fact, I find that any 'differences' are only those perceived by some who read their channelings and I have found in actually talking to these species no contradictions - but then, as I've already said, not all of what I'm given am I permitted to reveal at this time... and in that there are things which make it all come together.  It will only be by examining all that you encounter with an open positive approach will that point be reached.  And so I leave you to examine how these pieces, the 'aspects', all fit together -becaue that is for you to do. Channelers can only present what is needed for the time.  I have done what I have been asked here.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[ARTHELION]

I am replying here to ARTHELION and McARTHUR's posts, and first of all my apologies to you both for not being able to respond sooner myself since I tend to work extremely long hours online to be there for counselling across many time-zones and also work in the background with the team, and in my concern for all, whatever their views, I would like to be available as much as possible.  Also, is the fact that other things, outside of 'cyberspace' are more and more needing attention by me at this time.  So, my presence here may seem to be intermittent, but I am here and things are dealt with by us as a team, I can assure you.

As a team, then, if one of us is not present this is not a problem – since we can speak for the other.  The reason why we can do this is because whatever each of us has written is actually channelled (either directly from the guide word-for-word, or 'indirectly' which is to say after discussion with the guide, and checking before writing the result) – so, if another team member is offline, we simply ask our own guide about this (and sometimes even the other person's guide) and we are then in a position to answer the query that a poster may have, whoever it is addressed to.  We do not have the minutae of detail regarding each other's personal experience that they may be including in their writing, but we have the meaning of what is being put across, and that is what we can answer with certainty... which is how and why Edi responded on my behalf while I was sleeping.

I shall personally however here address specific points addressed to me, to aid clarity.

ARTHELION writes:
But I would like to ask something: What do really these pills against "schizophrenia" do? Do you loose the ability to comunicate telepathically or is it just some stupefying drug?
Such 'pills' or any medication for this (and for many other things) can be regarded essentially as suppressing certain neorological activity, and 'connectivity' in specific areas.  Apart from the fact that all modern medication is synthesized or product-derived from things in nature and so contain only some of the original benificient properties and thus often has marked side-effects that are not present in the 'balanced' original, they interfere with by suppressing rather than utilize to good effect the natural workings of the body in general, whatever they may be 'given' to do in the application.

The overall effect is to diminish the working of the intuitive, and also metabolism is affected causing the person to not change/react naturally with regard to situations and so diminishes their creativity.   'Feelings' are 4-D etheric related (telepathy, etc), and 'Creativity' is 5-D related to our etheric body.  We are not just 'physical' beings, but there are extensions of us in higher dimensions (read Barbara Hand Clow's "The Pleiadian Agenda" for a very comprehensive channeled background to all this).

Similarly, we are affected (suppressed) by such as 'food additives', the so-called E-numbers that are placed in all mass-produced food nowadays to preserve it, enhance its flavour, and even colour to appeal, etc.  Most of these additives are toxins, even in the very small quantities, since they affect 'balance' in the body related to hormones, enzymes, the endocrine system in general, and metabolism is changed.  Metabolism is an important factor in how a person's 'routine' affects their body – sleep, eating patterns etc.  These should be naturally 'in tune' with the person, but are often thrown askew... and this, as well as the suppressant effects of all such things that are introduced into the body, will affect how the person behaves.  One very common example related to E-number additives is the proven link with hyperactivity in children, and that is only the tip of the iceberg.  Weight is also closely related to metabolism, and feeling, associations, and societal impressions and conditioning are all part of the whole 'equation' of balance.  The body should be allowed to, and will, take in naturally that which is good for it, and which the person feels 'intuitively' is needed at any time – because the body subconsciously places that 'desire' into the consciousness.  However,  conditioning by society and pressure from such as TV adverts and the 'latest health statistics' etc swamps that natural intuition by sheer force, and so Free Will is subverted by society as it is today.  In this way, in a therapeutic role, when people come to me (and it may uncover long-term stress or trauma or abuse, or  relationship, or many other 'issues') it invariably involves in some way the metabolism of the person, and often a need for the person to change their 'lifestyle' in some, if only small, way – as this will cause a natural change in their metabolism and aid recovery in the body.  The mind and the 'spirit' (soul) are integral to all of this 'balancing' process that would, if not for pressured-conditioning by society), occur naturally in the person in their lives in the majority of cases.  But, we do not have that kind of understanding 'establishment', so 'pills' are the order of the day, with the medical profession to <cure> the ills of the people (and which are really only a panacea in the absence of addressing and curing the ills of society).

In short, live by your common sense and intuition, avoid 'pills' and 'additives' wherever practicable and use instead where considered necessary such as herbs and things of nature to maintain balance of the body-mind-spirit (the mind-spirit of course needing good 'input' from reading and interaction etc to stir the imagination and thus create the environment that the whole being needs).

Incidentally, on the topic of body-mind-spirit which is so important to our proper functioning, I have to say that the popularist New Age movement has an abundance that can only be described as 'overboard' on alternatives.  Alternative-Medicine, in general (and New Age simply jumps on that bandwagon) is for our times, and there are excellent books, of which considered the definitive charka onriented textbook <Hands Of Light: A guide to Healing through the human energy field> by Barbara Ann Brennan, a Reiki Master like myself, is (although a textbook for Reki  practitioners) a superb book for understanding much that is inadequately explained in New Age literature.  It is not that New Age of itself is wrong, rather what is not written by some authors and therefore adherents can be confused, and there is so much 'pulp press' on the bookshelves that seems to offer 'instant spiritual enlightenment' that the serious practitioner spends much time having to re-align misconceptions that arise.  I stress here, therefore, that even what I write is only to address specifics at times, or to realign misconceptions at other times.  These things must be seen as a part of a greater whole, hence not something just to 'believe' at all, but to examine each in the facet presented.  So it is, that I have related the taking of 'pills' to the body's metabolism which is often overlooked or not even known about.  I simply cannot dot every 'I' and cross every 't' in a posting I make and so my brush-strokes are there for the person to give further thought to, and read more.
When people contact me on Messenger with questions to me that indicate they have not read the material I have written I refer them to the texts, since otherwise it would mean repeating now millions of words – and to give a 'summary' that might be taken as <the answer> would mislead.  But, it is an ongoing process where interaction is the key so we nevertheless talk about many other things that would help in a good foundation in the meantime; it is all about 'framework' building for higher perception.  So, the input of all members, whatever their views, is valuable to focus on aspects not covered so far (and will be as perception grows to relate to it).

And also about that imagination vs. real communication: How do you tell the difference between them?

The word 'imagination' has a modern connotation that is inherently negative, often used in a derisory sense by extension: "It's just his imagination".  In other words, the mind's attempt to make sense of, to 'picture' a situation, is coloured by the person's conditioning and the validity of it is coloured by the conditioning of the person who 'judges' that perception of the person who's 'imagination' is in question.  If it does not accord to perception when brought into the 'light of day' (to onlookers it is described to in 'society') then it is treated dismissively, and in the main is only perceived in that negative manner.

Thus, there is no difference between 'imagination' and 'imaging' (both derive from the same root-word and are merely a variation of syntax).  Imaging is what occurs.  Imagination is then, by definition, that which is perceived but viewed through the 'colouration' of conditioning.

Our Art (music, painting or whatever) are expressions of 'Creativity' and relate to 5-D, along with 'feelings' (4-D related) that are transmitted as a result.  We use the higher-extensions of our etheric bodies to do this.  So, 'imagination' is not some random 'invention' from what is around us, but a 'plucking' from a higher perception and the 'symbols' arriving in our minds are expressed in such as Art form.  So it is not generated by the mind, but rather interpreted by the mind reaching higher dimensions of awareness (however conditioned the interpretation of our minds in translating).  We are actually in that process contacting what the New Agers call the 'Collective Consciousness' (and which is accessed by us through our 4-D and 5-D extensions of self).  We are thus contacting the connectivity of ALL that lies beyond our present perception, and so we 'create' in that way by manifesting it into our 3-D 'physical' reality.

The word 'imagination' is a colouration thought-form of the word 'image' which is very very old in nabt languages.  The word Magi (describing the 3 'wise men' in the birth of Jesus description) refers to those who were Astrologers, were 'wise' and were connected to the higher realms; the i-magi, in other words.  Similarly, the word Magic is from the same original root word.  So, we are looking at aspects here, of what the word 'image' really means.  It is a 'creative' connection from an external source (not just what we see around us with our 'eyes' as images) that we can draw INTO the mind to manifest as part of our reality (in other words, it becomes 'real' to our consciousness, and we can then use this in our reality... so telepathy (transmitted by 'feelings' in symbols) is creatively added to our perception to become real to us.  Conditioning will attempt to convince the mind that something is 'imagination', and will distort the <input> by that conditioning to obscure clear vision and reception.

Do you hear them from different parts of the brain, or is it just about the feeling of the answer? I know most people state it was their imagination when they hear voices in their heads. That's not my case, but for example, when I ask a simple yes/no question, I get yes. I ask the same question again, I get no. I ask it several times and I get several yes a several nos, so some of them have to be imagined and the others are channeled. So how can I tell the difference?

Some people 'hear' voices in different parts of their head, rather like you hear different 'stereo images' on the sound-stage when you wear headphones.  This 'placing' of sound-images is done by the guides when it is felt appropriate to help the person to 'tune' them better.  I just hear the voice, centrally – but my guide has just put her voice to the left, just now, as if walking across my head, to show me how some 'hear' the voice.  If I am talking to more than one species at once, then I have no problem in knowing which is which; there are difference of personality, qualities that are conveyed, and also a feeling of 'thereness' (this could be likened to the way you hear a recording done in one room compared with one done in another; the 'acoustics' make it sound subtly different).  In whatever way you 'hear' it will become easier as you gain confidence, and as you try to 'pick up' on any subtleties present.  As you begin to notice them you realize, automatically, that they cannot be a product of your mind.  They are what they are, and you are receiving what is sent (both Edi and James S have written about this, and also about the fact that your mind simply cannot produce the answers that fast anyway let alone any 'ambience' of personality).

The fact that several 'yes' answers are received to a question, and then one or more 'no' answers to that question is not due to imagination, and that is simply an assumption that you make because the answers contradict and you would rather put it down to that rather than to the guide giving different or 'wrong' answers.  The fact is, at your present state of doubting yourself the answers are being given deliberately contradictory so that you will have to think beyond the obvious that conditioning is telling you.  It serves no purpose to continually give you the 'correct' answers when you doubt yourself in the first place – because how do you know they are correct when a situation arises that you might, in your conditioning, think were incorrect and could not immediately verify if they are outside your normal perception.  So, along with this comes also the need to ask more – and a good starting point would be to ask the guide at those times: "Are you trying to get me to think about this?" and other variations, in line with what I have been explaining here... even "Is Mayatnik correct in what he is telling me about this?" etc.

PS: When I first read your reply at about 14:30 Greenwich time, I just said: "Could you send my thanks to Mayatnik?" because I didn't have time to reply immediately.
I got "Of course" in my head. Did you really recieve it?

I was sleeping at the time, but when I awoke I got a 'feeling' of warmth, and Karek said that you appreciated my post.  I, actually, as a matter of course, check with my guide about all aspects ongoing and get a report.  For example, I asked about McArthur: "How is he doing?" and got the reply, "McArthur is doing fine.  Good input to the threads, and we are very pleased with him".  When I checked I found some excellent contributions McArthur had made in his very valid quest to obtain clarity, and which were very positive and helpful to members in general by bringing various points into focus for examination.  So yes, I got your 'feelings' and those of others also that I needed to know.

—o—

Addressing McArthur in his concerns.....

Your expression of concern is very much appreciated, to focus on what may otherwise not be made clear to you or others.   For example,
I agree about being open-minded and im sure a large majority of parents are (unless you or Mayatnik know otherwise).
Let's put this into perspective.  "Open minded" means different thing to different people, and also to different cultures.  From my own personal experience as a Counseller, a considerable number of parents are not open to the wishes of their children, even though that 'child' may be 35 even.  They feel that they 'know best', so cannot be said to be 'open' which implies of itself a readiness to accept new things.  'Protectiveness' is often the face they put forward, and this is a nurturing 'image'  they seek to portray, protecting the child from anything 'not secure', whether it be a new career move or some 'strange notion' they have gotten from a website.  In all cases it emphasizes the ethos of society that the 'system' must be the bedrock and innovation treated as dangerous to "ill-informed" minds (implying those 'minds' do not conform to the 'establishment' thinking) so the Free Will of the person being 'knocked into line' (of whatever age) is subverted.  Protectiveness, may seem to be an altruism that cherishes the child, but when you have looked at the number of cases I have regarding so-called 'protective parents' who have terribly abused their children it indicates that the word 'protective' is vastly misunderstood and often used as an umbrella for enforcing things another sees as 'right', or is not even concerned whether it is right or not but more as to whether it conforms with their <comfort zone>.  In other words, if they can't cope with something then they often (as I have found) seek to remove it from their minds, and that means knocking it out of others who would be a reminder to them of their inability to cope.  It should be said here, that part of the process of healing is for the abused to have compassion for the abuser whose ignorance has caused that harm.  It is not good to apply punitive measures to anyone, and rather finding healing is the way society should view these things for all concerned.

My question still stands to Mayatnik and his guide though if they think children should be encouraged to talk to these "invisible friends" via their supposed telepathic ability. If this is not what he meant then i'm sure he will speak for himself, but i would still like to know his answer to my question.
The talking to 'invisible friends' occurs generally when a child is left alone for considerable lengths of time.  The degree that this is done depends on the child's nature and the circumstances of the child.  A child is more 'open' because of less conditioning at that early age and is therefore more receptive to their natural extra-sensory 'hearing' ability (only later does a person confine themselves to the 'immediate' surrounding due to pressure of work, etc... and the 'busy' person rushing along the street is often oblivious of what even their eyes are seeing).  What might be perceived as 'loneliness derived' in such a situation of a child is only the surface manifestation.  In reality, the child seeks outwards, and a guide responds.  The guides cherish children, and will always seek to come to the child if he puts out the 'call' for a friend.  In this way, the guide becomes a surrogate friend, playing games, stimulating the child's creativity, and – in short – doing what the parent ought to do.  So, it is not just a matter of the child having this 'invisible friend'; the question arises, as to why there is this need in the child, and that reflects on society's view regarding their children who, after all, are the future of our species carried forward.

On a personal note here, which I add to aid further understanding --- I have two children who are married with their own children (my grandchildren range now from age 8 up to 18).  Neither of my two boys, aged 33 and 36) wish to talk about the 'supernatural' in any way. Their wives do but cannot talk to their husbands about it and they feel largely suppressed in this.   I do not bring the subject up since on the very rare occasion when I have just mentioned something casually (like, "There are quite a few posts now on our Zeta thread") they immediately change the subject without responding, so point noted and I do not press them even as to why.  They must come to it in their own time, but they clearly know what I do in my healing, therapy and counseling work as well as teaching and channeling.  Both their wives will mention briefly, when alone, to me about Mediums and such they apparently watch on TV shows, but what *my* job is or anything I might be able to tell them is totally avoided by them in the conversation.  It is as if they are embarrassed.

Regarding my grandchildren, bearing in mind what I have said above about the parents, I do not attempt to talk to them about guides or such since this is against their parents wishes, and from my point of view as a counseller it is pointless if the right 'backdrop' of the family environment is negative towards such things and so I only respond if the child asks me something specific, and then I reply with honesty directly and in terms that child can understand and relate to.  For example, on Messenger the other day, one of my grandchildren asked me  (because their father was not there) "Are you going to do your work now writing on that site with your guide?"  This shows that children pick up and retain things that are not explicitly talked about.  I replied that I was working with my guide.   "Does your guide have a computer too?" she asked.  I replied, directly from my guide..... "K: Hello Amy.  Yes, we do have a computer.  It is not like yours on Earth, and it is a very very big one."  She asked a couple of questions, and then Karek responded "K: I have to drag your granddad away now, because we have to get a psot finished for people to see it.  It's been nice meeting you.  We can talk again sometime.  Bye for now" and Amy said "Bye".  Maybe it will be another 6 months before one of the grandchildren mention it again, but in the meantime it was a short interaction with things beyond her present perception that was gentle and so would build for a future time to balance against conditioning that will be present.  Whatever a parent may 'allow' the child will at some time or other encounter in their interactions with others things that the child will recognize as being contrary to the child's parents' views.  If the parent does not discuss openly what is in the child's mind when the child says something then this closes a door... the opportunity is barred for both the child and the parent to grow together in greater love and permit society to form a new ethos as a result.

So, looking at this broadly, a child should be encouraged, not solely in the area of 'invisible friends' but in general, to be open with their parents in expressing their own individuality and experience – because if that is not allowed then the child wil still have the inherent 'ability' to sense on higher levels and 'feelings' but will be suppressed.  And that is not helpful for the child, nor the parent, nor society, to develop healthily.

Finally, to add a further valuable perspective to this regarding children (and even society's awareness of its own development) I give some links here to particular short page articles of the Zetatalk website (I take pages from the 'Hybrid' section http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/ where there are many more articles that will be of interest.    But I have selected from them the few I give below because the Zeta cherish children dearly and recognize their crucial importance in the future of the Human Race, so should be nurtured properly.

Zetatalk: "Cherish the Children"
http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h05.htm

Zetatalk "Special Children"
http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h30.htm

Zetatalk: "First Time"
http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h01.htm

"Introduction"  (Nancy's hypnotic recall of meeting her hybrid son)
http://www.zetatalk.com/hybrids/h24.htm

There is much more involved in 'communication' with either 'aliens' or our own children than is perceived by human society.  We must begin to get it right, and opne discussion is the best way to start.  So, any questions arising from what I have written above, or anything in this thread, or from what the Zeta have said on those pages I gave links to should be put in the Zeta Conversations thread and they will be answered by the Zeta for further discussion of new perspectives.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[All the above I have channeled after discussing with my Pleiadian guide, Karek, on her instructions, in response to your post.]

Arthelion,

In response to your post (I quote from it in green):

Hi,
I was wandering - is it possible to learn telepathy or channeling by means of self-study?

It is perfectly possible to acquire telepathic ability on you r own.  I did.  And it was instant.  I had no human teacher at all.

However, while it is extremely easy in principle and just requires the will to communicate, it is not possible to do effectively unless all conditioning is shed.   And in order to facilitate this and progress the person must be able to do it without doubt in their mind that they are indeed receiving telepathically to then become fluent and accurate in telepathic communication with a guide.

You go on to say:
I think I'm quite prepared for this, I've heard some voices in my head, sometimes even meaningful, but I still can't get over the point when I don't know whether it's just my imagination or some real communication. This is the hardest part for me, I think.

Telepathy is natural, all have the innate ability.  And children often have an 'invisible friend' who they talk to... that is, until an adult knocks it out of them: "Nonsense.  It's all in your imagination.  Don't let me hear you mention it again.  You'll show us up" or words to that effect.   So, the 'invisible friend' is forgotten, put to the furthest recesses of the mind and, mixed with what they become conditioned to later as they grow, the notion develops that it is somehow bad, something to conceal.  And for those who can't conceal it when it comes back they are often taken to the doctor by a sympathetic friend or family member, because by this time the 'guilt' feeling of having voices in their head that they have been told is abnormal has reduced them to a state of nerves and uncertainty.  Quite a number of those who visit the doctor are diagnosed schizophrenic because that's society's way of dealing with the 'unknown'; the rest are quietly put on tranquillizers to suppress both their nerves and any 'imaginative' thoughts and the tablets do their job effectively.  This is no exaggerated picture I paint.  As a therapist I have had many coming to me who's past reveals these as causes of many symptoms of societal-malaise – and all due to  conditioning being enforced.   I am not saying that true schizophrenia does not exist; it does.  But, it is extremely rare and the symptoms are quite different from what is often diagnosed as such, and doctors spend too little time with the patient to find out.  It is interesting to note, that in private psychiatry the 'treatment' is not an instant diagnosis of this, but a careful examination of the overall situation which most often reveals the truth of the matter.  So, it is society that is sick, not the individual.   And shedding preconceptions that are endemic is not easy when they jump out at the person from every direction.  Even in the esoteric where the person flees to in order to find a like-mind, if they recognize that conditioning, lurks the spectre of ingrained misperceptions to do with the 'spirit' world and they have no sooner started on their quest when any number of do-gooders will scream "Be careful.  You can be deceived by voices in your head, and they might tell you to go and do something bad".  Now, where have we heard that before?  And originally, it is the very thing that the medical profession seeks to "protect society from" when they diagnose a person with schizophrenia, since they are claimed to be "a danger to themselves and to others".   So, if you really really want to embark on a course of self-study be aware of this – because that is the first thing you have to shed in your conditioning.

As for the 'doubt' as to whether it is voices in your head (apparently schizophrenia!) or telepathy, it is interesting to note the type of comment you may get if you mention to some who are 'enlightened' as opposed to those who aren't.
"You're a channeler?  Oh, how lovely" I have actually heard dear old ladies say.  If I had said I hear voices in my head they would run a mile.  So, make up your mind, which it is to be.  Because the future of your efforts depends on it.  And if there is doubt then you cannot say that you are channeling anything, since you haven't even got off first base.

Ok, so you're hearing these 'voices'.  And for those who want to try and haven't got to that stage yet, then as I said at the start – it is very easy to do.  There is no 'method' involved, and all you have to do is just ask a question with the suredness that there is someone there (since otherwise you really would be talking to yourself)..... and immediately you will hear a response.  If you don't quite catch it, then simply repeat the question, or ask them to repeat what they said.  That's what you would do in an ordinary conversation, and this is no different; you are communicating, so get on with it.  Make it a conversation.  Don't stop to think or analyse with your rational mind because the 'logic' side of your brain is the opposite side to the 'intuitive' and it will quickly take over to impose its conditioned view of 'normality' since the logic side is for dealing with the known world – talking, hearing, human conversation.  So, the result is a denial of what is actually happening... that communication with the 'unknown' but very real that lies in the realm of the intuitive perception.  In this way you then start to exercise your 'psychic' senses.

Once you have got to this stage all should be plain sailing.  But, there is more conditioning ahead that can get in the way – and which will do, unless shed.  Conditioning is like a door that is shut to what lies beyond present perception.  Fear keeps the door shut, society's education system makes the hinges very difficult to move.  So, you need to oil them with common sense and intuition.  Then, provided that you have shed your fear of the 'unknown' you can open the door and walk through into a new world where perception will grow as you interact with it.   It is really no different from interacting in your present world.  You encounter people you have never met, situations that are unfamiliar.  Do you treat all as hostile, or even potentially so?  Common sense says be careful, but you don't go out into the street with bullet proof vest and armed to the teeth 'just in case'.  Well, if you do, then you are likely to be mixing with those who supply those things and who will have already issued you with dire warnings of what lurks around every corner because theirs is the business of paranoia... in which case when you emerge into your 'unknown' you are already filled with trepidation and are likely to shoot anything on sight.  If this is what can happen in human society it gets extended into your exploration of the Higher Realms.  If you presuppose that it is a mirror image of your present reality then you cannot ascribe higher wisdom to those realms, and you are simply carrying over preconditioning.  It is also interesting to note here, that there are a set of people who invariably seem to attract what are called 'negs' and a set that can explore freely with no problems at all.  There is a grey area from  where people will eventually gravitate, if they remain curious, to one perspective or another depending on what they do with their conditioning and how they apply common sense and intuition.  For some, intuition is that 'fearful feeling' that echoes their preconditioning rather than arising from openness.  So, take off the spectacles of 'colouration' if you want to see clearly, otherwise you will see only the spectre of your own mind's misperceptions.

The mext hurdle comes when you start to interact with the guide.  The object of being telepathic is to communicate with the guide, and you won't get very far with just the occasional question and an answer.   That applies in everyday conversations too – and in relationship counseling I have many that come to me with that very problem, that they have been together for years, and and their sporadic communication has left them still not understanding each other.  You cannot understand unless you talk, and the more you ask the more you will find out.  And that's how it is with the guides.   So, ask about everything.  Whatever the topic, don't just accept the first thing the guide says, or even an answer to the second question about that subject under discussion (well, it would be a discussion if it was ongoing, so make it into a real conversation and let it flow).

A considerable number of members contact me (mostly these are from the 'silent majority' who never or rarely post.  About a third of them have never read more than a couple of my posts at most, and a further third have read every single one.  But, most of those who contact me asking for advice  come out with the same thing – they don't know what questions to ask to get a conversation going (this applies to the use of the Pendulum as well as with Telepathy).  And virtually all of them have difficulty with 'follow up' questions to pursue a line of questioning.  The ability to do this is crucial, and must be practiced dilligently if you are going to get anywhere at all.  The alternative is accepting the first answer that is given – and that, clearly, is not sensible.  Firstly, if you accept the answer then it can only be on the basis of 'blind belief'.  If you reject it, then you are denying its possibility to teach you anything.  The more outlandish the answer, then obviously the more reason to ask further (unless you are being negative and mistrust what you are hearing, in which case why bother).  Even if the answer seems to accord with your perception, then it is still an opportunity to learn more.  Let me give a couple of analogies here to a phone call to someone you have only recently been introduced to (and telepathy is rather like having a mobile-phone connection in your head).  The caller tells you that they are in a place where it is warm and sunny.  You respond, "Sounds nice" and wait for the person to tell you more.  But, they don't (and neither will the guide, because the guide will be trying to train you to have a better rapport when you are starting off especially).  So, you could ask... Is it always warm there?   Have you been there long?  Do people get sunstroke?  Is there water there?  Do you wear many clothes.... We could go on for a very long time asking more, and in so doing build up a 'picture'.  The more you ask the bigger the perspective you have, and the more easily you can then arrive at a foundation for a higher perception.  If the person on the other end of the phone was to say, "There's a crocodile in the water here where people are swimming" then that outlandish statement should prompt you in everyday life to react with many questions about that 'unknown' situation that has just been mentioned.  In dealing with the Higher Realms it should be no different, even exciting to explore.  You are talking with a Being that comes from a totally different environment, so much can be expected to be different... as well as the higher perception that can be assumed in all common sense.  So, there is your chance to learn.  It is not about swallowing a story, but about a paper-chase of clues in each answer that adds to your knowledge about this 'unknown'.  And if you are talking about the world you know, then bear in mind that the Being you are communicating with will inevitably have a different perspective in the same way that a person in a free country of the world will still have a different perception to a person in a restricted environment.  This Earth is a a kindergarten for exploration while we, as infants in the galaxy, learned first to toddle and then to walk.  Only now are we able to get to the playroom door to progress down the corridor to where the adults, the Higher Beings Of Light, are waiting to welcome us as growing members of Family Of Light.  Think, in terms of this, and you will realize that beyond that door lies much that is unfamiliar and beyond the confines of the house and garden which we are now exploring in those first steps that should be confident in the safety of  protective guidance lies the street and a world beyond our comprehension.   You had fears in the playroom that were only manifestations of the shadows, and your parents knew this although you didn't and were confused.   Leave that fear behind, those of you who have stepped through the door.  Others will follow when they are ready, but for you there is the opportunity to learn to understand what it is really all about as you interact with your parents, under their loving guidance.  If your brothers and sisters call you back, then show them with love and compassion that you are ready, so that they too may not fear for you.   We are all children of the stars, all one Family, and each in time will walk through that door of exploration to find out.... that they, the 'aliens' or 'guides' whatever you call them now, are not what Man peeping fearfully into the shadows of his own misconceptions perceives.  They watch over us while we are down here on Earth for our 'lessons of life', and when we are up there and they incarnate we do the same.  Life is for experiencing, and so we come down forgetting who we really are.  The journey is to rediscover, with the learning of Love and Compassion along the way.   Outlandish?  Don't take my word for it.  Ask the guides, via the Pendulum or through Telepathy.  And keep on asking.  That's the only way you're going to get to know.  Unless you accept the first thing that is said, which would just be 'blind belief' and we should have grown beyond that now.

Religion is about 'blind belief'.  But it is Man who made it so, by dogma, 'set in stone' notions.  To evolve means to set aside those things that people cling so tightly to in their <comfort zone>.  Because the Church puts a meaning onto Biblical words they are then intransmutable, under fear of Hell and Damnation if one iota be changed.   When Jesus said, "Suffer little children to come to me" he did not mean that literally, but it was taken to mean that children from the earliest age should be indoctrinated with the religion the parents were indoctrinated to, perpetuum ad nauseum.  See it differently.  How about, "Let people come to understand with the wide open eyes of a child for new knowledge" and you will begin to see other things that suddenly hold a spark of new Light in your perception.   Jesus also said about the rich – that they would find it harder to get into 'Heaven' than a camel to pass through the eye of a needle.   He was very good on metaphors, because he didn't want people to take him literally.  You can be rich and get there, but think of the conditioning that would have to be shed along the way, as well as much of those 'riches' of the world.  Because, your worldly friends would often shun and ridicule you on your journey as you step away from that <comfort zone> of habituation.  The same applies to education, the riches of 'Earthly Knowledge' that seem to glitter like gold but are very often tarnished with the handlings of those who rewrote history to their own ends.   It has been proven, time and time again, that the 'educated' find it much harder to change than the 'poorly enducated', the common man – beause the common man has much less conditioning to shed, and therefore can more easily use what he was born with; common sense and intuition.  And that is all that is needed.

All the above I have channeled after discussing with my Pleiadian guide, Karek, on her instructions, in response to your post.

You say finally:
I don't fear the contact and I'm very open-minded to all this stuff. So, I beg someone from the "Holy Trinity of Channelers"  , could you please ask your guide whether I'm really ready to channel? And what would you advise me? Of course I give you the permission to ask your guides anything about me.

I also have one question for Edi. English is not your native language, nor is mine. Do you get only symbols during the channeling and then translate them to whatever language you want (and know  ) or do you get whole words in that lang. right away?

I will let Edi respond to the above quote, and he said he would be very happy to, and add more from his guide, when I asked him if he'd like to follow on from this post.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[(bear in mind that all that I write here in this post, as elsewhere (and unless specifically stated otherwise to be my own personal input) is still channelled – albeit 'indirectly, meaning I discuss with my guide, as I go along, how they would like this presenting for the best understanding at this level here)]

Hello McArther,

Your input is appreciated, in expressing your concerns.  I have talked with the other channelers in our group and we fully understand where you're coming from – we understand your point of view and, from your position it is valid.  In fact, let us be clear here; each person has a valid point to make from their own perception.  Everything we experience variously adds to, changes or reinforces that 'perception' – but, at each stage, it is ONLY a perception.  How can we 'validate' that perception (yours or mine)?  Only by interaction, otherwise we merely reinforce the existing.  That is why this forum, and all discussion platforms – and especially good conversation – is  refreshing, it adds new input for thought; we would stagnate otherwise, and that is what has happened with religion 'set in stone' as it is.  New knowledge into our perception is vital, therefore.   It does not mean we have to accept with 'blind faith' that knowledge we come across from others – that would be stupid, and would imply throwing away our present perceptions.  But, we need to draw the curtains back to see what is 'outside' of our perception, and not exclude it.  So, it is no use pretending that no other 'realities' exist (realities being, obviously, the perceptions of others).

We, the channelers in our group here, are very well aware of the different perceptions that exist – after all, that is what channelling is about; receiving information when we ask, or are given it to aid understanding and reach higher perception levels for a good perspective.  We receive this information surprisingly fast by telepathy, but to relay it we have to use the 'conventional' means of writing, linear fashion, and a stream of words takes time and also needs to be structured to present to those who may not know the foundations that are the basis of the topic we are relaying information about.  As a result, you will find degrees of 'compartmentalism', so wherever you look there are books that deal with this or that (but rarely are 'definitive' - according to one's perception) and they often seem to miss out what you, the reader, would have liked to have seen in the text, if only to enlighten others of what you know already (your own experience, 'good' or 'bad' (remembering that all is perception only at any given level).  Because our earth-bound means of communication, in the established way of society, is thus restricted then the more one reads the better informed (and preconceptions should be put aside, since they will only be 'validated' as to their 'truth' the more you learn – so it is not sensible to simply exclude material that does not align with one's present perception).   A good channeler will therefore DISCUSS with their guides in great depth what is being channelled to them, long before it is published in whatever form.

It is not just a matter of accepting the 'input' and spewing it out, as may seem to be the case to those who do not know or who have visited some of the weird sites that profess to being 'accurately channeled' – many may well be ego-driven (and by 'ego' I mean 'confidence in oneself alone' that a <message> received is accurate, simply because they have done it time and time again as they reason to themselves why should they question what they receive.   Again, 'questioning' should be as I have outlined above here (and plese refer to other texts elsewhere on the forum by our channelers also for this) and common sense with intuition applied should always be used.  This could be called 'testing', but we do not use that word since it is heavily 'coloured' with preconceptions in this 'modern world' already filled with much rubbish and the ever present tendency to approach things with an initial intention to reject at the first sign that it does not meet the present perception of the person, thus resulting in a closed-circle mentality.

The way forward, in learning about anything new, is to accept that you do not know since it is 'new' and the first thing to do – at each and every level, as you progress along that 'new path' of sightseeing and assimilation is to simply 'take in the scenery' and using common sense and intuition build up a foundation.

We have not even touched here yet in this post on the content of channelling (and it should be made absolutely clear here that merely 'hearing voices' or whatever in your head is NOT channelling, for the reasons stated above).  Nor have we discussed the perceptually-valid experiences of yourself; who should deny that you didn't experience those things?  Who should deny, also, that we channelers do not know what we are about?

When we come to 'content', again we have to consider perception.  There are some on this site that will not even read anything that has the subject of 'Zeta' or similar in it – and David Icke (a 'researcher' not a channeler) has painted the blackest picture of his perceived 'Reptilians' so closing the door for many who accept his words at face value.  I will say here that, David Icke like many others, has a propensity to go down the rabbit-holes of his choosing and exclude that which (abundantly published elsewhere) points to other interpretations and rich sources of much researched further information that paints a completely different meaning.  Similarly, in people's 'choice' of reading it is assumed by them that the content will be this or that....... So again, they do not read it properly (and the mind often blocks, due to conditioning, whole sentences that are not 'palatable' to the present perception.  All should be read with a receptive mind to consider.  The Reptilians thread of Fuzziwig's is a case in point, where the channelings are information concerning Man's present attitudes, and not generally about the Reptilians or 'aliens' themselves unless a member asks a specific question.  Likewise, the Zeta thread that Edi is currently channelling (although Fuzziwig channels the Zeta also) is about how best we can deal with what we find around us in the 'ordinary world' today.  It would seem sensible, therefore, to read something that would give a different perspective, new input, on this world that is filled with media-hype and money-grabbing ideas to catch the guilable at every turn  You could argue that there are websites and even some books by so-called 'channelers' that, if you look closely, patently are out to make money in this way; that is the nature of the world we are in – and that is why there is a list in the Astral Pulse Library (book recommendations by Mayatnik)  of the books that do not go along that route, and that list includes not only channelling (Barbara Hand Clow, Barbara Marciniak, Amorah Quan Yin, etc) by very well respected and worldwide-established channelers, but also serious academic and other practical fields of exploration and validated knowledge about the origins of Mankind and ancient civilization proofs of these.  You will not find books on such as Psychic Defence in that list, quite simply because there are others who specialize in such things and want to write about them, valid to their own perception.  We, as channelers, write across-the-board where appropriate, but we naturally concentrate on giving general information to the world at large about such matters as our origins and new ways to look at our present surroundings in society as we evolve.

Your perception that we channelers should not only 'protect' ourselves but should also point to the need for such protection in others is misplaced, due to your perception from where you stand.  If we felt a need, then it would be sensible to build in 'psychic defence' protection – but there is no need, simply because the route taken is different in our case and the many many 'tests' (as you would call them) being applied along the way, albeit as questioning for further information and not in a negative way) before we even get to the 'stage' of channeling.   In the case of someone who comes across channelled material (or even explanations about it) should we dot every 'I' and cross every 'ti'.  Clearly if we did that, then we would in each post be writing a book.  We can only, therefore, assume that the reader applies common sense, and in that we mean to 'follow the thread' and not just jump in having read a couple of posts at most because that is to be ill-informed and the responsibility for common sense rests with the individual.  If you don't know the facts of what you are reading, then find out by reading more, simple as that; and there is an abundance of channelled material in the Communications section that, put together, gives a very coherent picture – even with each channeler working independently with their guide... validation in itself!

Specific questions regarding anything at all are answered by the Zeta, so that thread is the place to go with your questions (and reading through it will reveal past questions answered among many other things that will indirectly help towards answers).  Such things as 'astral projection' and 'energy raising' for example are topics that have been dealt with in the area of specifics, but much general information is there available ongoing in both the Zeta and Reptilian channelings.

This particular thread here, however, was started simply to show people a further perspective, in the transcript, of how telepathy training is done and how easily first 'contact' can be made, and the summary by Edi adds information here regarding the 'processes'.  It was emphasised that it was only a beginning.....and the fact of calling it a 'channeling' rather than just telepathy was because there was substantial information content that was useful for others to read about, rather than similar transcripts that have been published by us in the past of simple telepathic interaction.  It does not imply that Mach One is a channeler, but only that he has taken the first step (and it is a long road where careful training is needed.  I came up by a road where I had no 'human interface' and all the training was done by my guide, talking to me.  Most would find it easier to have such a 'human interface' and, in fact, the guides have this programme in place with our channelers for us to help by being present at the training-sessions in order to ensure the accuracy and to correct any misconceptions at each step.  But it is step-by-step, and anyone trying it themselves alone could well find they become confused, not surprisingly.  And if there is much preconditioning or fear, then this will further add to their perceived difficulties.  Telepathy is easy, but essential that conditioning is shed and common sense and intuition applied at all times.  It's not good trying to talk to 'spirits' if you are constantly afraid or thinking they are 'out to get you', since it just reinforces it – and may even seem the case.   Better to leave it to those who are not afraid, in the same way that you would not be advised to drive your car if you are 'twitchy' about every road you drive on and those you encounter because that can lead to a 'bump' caused by your lack of confidence and misperceptions about other 'road users' to the extent that multiple 'bumps' can leave you a shivering wreck and blaming others.  If you are a competent driver, then you will deal efficiently and easily with all that comes along, but that takes confidence (lack of 'doubt' especially) plus common sense and good 'road intuition', and you will most certainly take it as a matter of course because you will be skilled in what you do.  Perception depends on acquired experience and understanding, just like driving abroad or being an 'advanced driver' rather than just an average 'road user' who pops in the car to go down to the shops.

The points you raise, McArthur, regarding 'testing' of 'spirits' are worth examining here.  The issue has been dealt with by the Zeta in Edi's Zeta Conversations thread a few times, and lately also.  So that is worth reading for a good perspective of how the guides view this.  But here I shall take a different approach (bear in mind that all that I write here in this post, as elsewhere (and unless specifically stated otherwise to be my own personal input) is still channelled – albeit 'indirectly, meaning I discuss with my guide, as I go along, how they would like this presenting for the best understanding at this level here) and examine a particular quote I have taken from your last post, to illustrate these points.  When I channel Karek, my Pleiadian guide, 'direct' (word for word) then I include a "K: " at the start of the sentence of paragraph, and in a colour normally.  

I put your quoted words in green italics:
The main test i would try if you aleady have contact with a spirit is to tell it that you want it to leave and not contact you for a certain amount of time, say 3 months. Especially if you are actually "hearing" a voice. If it comes up with an excuse, any excuse, then i would be suspicious of its intentions

Would you like to comment on that quote Karek?
K:Yes.  Hello McArthur, and everone.
When people talk about 'spirits' this covers a wide range of what they perceive.  Sometimes they are referring to 'ghosts', sometimes just to 'feelings' – and neither ghosts as you call them,  nor feelings, will necessarily 'go away' when asked or 'commanded'.  So, it is not the best approach.  The reasons for this have been channeled in depth by the Zeta so we would suggest you read that for a fuller explanation.  What we can add here is that very often what you think are 'ghosts' are actually just <replays> of imprints that are thought-forms and these can become 'part' of a surrounding, a room or whatever, or even 'attach' themselves to wherever a person is.  The reasons for this phenomena are various; in the case of an 'imprint' in walls and which comes out as a kind of video-replay to a person who is sensitive, then clearly it is the sensitivity of the person who experiences this 'reception' by their receptivity/sensitivity.  If you have this receptivity extra sense in addition to your ears and eyes etc then you can indeed 'shut it out' by dulling your senses generally or chanting or such (the equivalent of clapping your hands to your ears).  But most people experiencing 'ghosts' of any kind are in a hightened state and may even become upset or hysterical if the occurrence is a shock to their 'normality'.  The answer in general to this, and with all things especially the 'supernatural', is to remain calm and to simply allow yourself to 'observe' impartially.  This has a benefit on the person, and if the 'ghost' happens to be a real 'presence' then it does not upset the 'ghost' either; remember, that any being, whether living or 'dead' has a personality of their own and any encounter is an interaction, so a calm disposition is the way forward and 'commanding' it to go is the same as opening the door to someone outside and immediately saying "Go away".  Your visitor would think you were odd.
In the case of 'feelings', we include here the emotional state of the person in general, often based on their past 'experiences' and these will 'colour' their perception right from the start of the encounter if it is external (and not just a projection of their fears, but in any event the two can become mixed if the mind is confused and not clear and calm).  Again, we stress that conditioning (what you have heard or read) plays a large part in how you perceive things, and fear induced by this means and 'dire warnings' etc can soon become amplified to such a state where any encounter can be distorted out of recognition from its actual reality, and the same applies to Astral Projection of whatever kind.  So, bear these things in mind.  The fact that most here are interested in the paranormal in whatever application means that they will surely encounter it sooner or later, and if you want to encounter then fear is not the best way to go out into the 'jungle'; you need to be calm and alert, and most of all apply common sense in realizing that what you have heard from others is only their perception, and therefore not sensible to let it 'colour' your experience so an open and positive mind is also called for.

The word 'spirits' that you use also conveys different things to different people.   Throughout your History, you have been introduced, at different periods, to the realms above your 3rd dimensional world.  Even in your Neolithic times, there were Shaman and the people who could not talk directly with the 'spirits' would gather around the Shaman who would then relay their words and messages, most often regarding how to make the best of their situations and community, and this included also much information given about the stars and planets and their influences on the lives of the people, and the people had astronomical observatories – your archaelogists have discovered these – even in those times, because of the interaction from the guiding 'spirits'.

You also will hear of 'animal totems', 'animal guides' and the 'elementals' – these are all forms of 'spirit', but the understanding has become distorted over time – often by only reading one view and this then becoming 'written in stone'.  Magick goes back in your recorded History 10,000 years, and over time the concepts have become manipulated and often focus brought to bear on small aspects that have then overshadowed.  So, your perspective of witchcraft has had different 'colourations' in each time period of its change.  It is mainly due to this that your fears came into being – due to misunderstandings arising from inadequate knowledge of what had been hidden (the occult) by Mystery Schools and also by suppression and grotesque distortion of the 'pagan' facts by religions.

Then, you came to the period when Spiritualism emerged.  This was part of your evolution at that time for you to learn more, and so the movement grew.  It grew all the more rapidly at the time of war when thousands died and relatives  in grief sought solace by 'contacting their dead' through a Medium.  It is not good to cling to the past, and those who are departed need to move on while those remaining need to start a new life.  But, you had to learn this yourselves – and so we encouraged such 'contacts' and helped the Mediums.  We have to say here, that when a person 'dies' they do not normally come back every time when 'called', but within limits we allow them to break from their lessons in the afterlife ('up here') and jobs that they may be engaged in, and to come back to speak.  Sometimes a guide will speak on their behalf, but clearly you can understand that the 'dead' don't, apart from a few, just wander around aimlessly after death – and to be called back because someone wants to speak to 'Uncle Sid' is like being phoned while in class or at work... and it can disrupt what 'Uncle Sid' is doing, unless it is part of his 'project' and some do indeed become guides or otherwise 'assist' in some way unseen the 'loved ones' remaining on Earth.  But, actually, after 'death' the soul stops being the 'person' they were on Earth (they were only playing that 'role' for their incarnation and lessons of life), so they are no longer the 'Uncle Sid' that those on Earth knew anyway.   A few, however, if they have been much confused in their life, want to remain and still be who they were – not able to make the break – and so they linger in the Astral plane, and revisit the surroundings of the physicality they had known and still don't understand they are not part of it any longer.  It is those 'spirits' as you call them that can be persistant.  They are looking for their 'answers' to make sense of things in their confused state.  They naturally can get upset, so we ask for people to have compassion.  More about this particular aspect is explained in the Zeta Conversations thread channelings, so we refer you to that rather than repeating here.

Which brings us to the subject of 'aliens'.  You've been through it all in your History – and now of late emerges 'alien' channelings.  Actually, the 'aliens' were around, and recorded in your History, from many thousands of years ago.  In Sumerian times the Zeta were called the IG.I.GI.  The Igigi were there at the time of Noah, when the last Pole Shift and the Flood occurred.  So, they know all about it, and are here now in your conscousness as you read about them.  They, as the Zeta, have written about the Pole Shift on www.zetatalk.com and there is much valuable information on that site, not just about the Pole Shift but about such things as 'Density' (the different dimensions, and what it all means) and it clarifies many misconceptions that books on the esoteric have introduced over time, so well worth reading.  You are not asked to 'believe' what you read; it is simply there for information, and any information adds especially if it helps to remove misconceptions and fears at this time to overcome the conditioning that many manipulating leaders (both church and state, in order to control you) have applied to you over time.  You will also read on the zetatalk site how governments, particularly the US government, have played with you, and how (and you will find independent testimony of this on other websites from ordinary people who have seen what is going on) they are in fact building bunkers for their own ends, without regard for their population, for after the Pole Shift – which they know is coming, yet do not tell the people so the Zeta are doing it for them because the Zeta are the 'watchers' mentioned in Ancient Texts who have cared for Man since the earliest times and continue to do so.  So, whatever you may think, would you expect anything less than for the Zeta to give you this information for you to think about.  You, after all, absorb much rubbish from your TV and books every day without thinking, you accept much of what your politicians tell you with 'blind belief' – and much is manipulative.  So, the Zeta ask only that you read and discuss with an open mind what is offered on their site.

As far as the channelings on the Astral Pulse are concerned, these are NOT about the Pole Shift at all - unless a member asks a specific question, in which case an answer relevant to the context will be given.  In general, the Zeta are here on the Astral Pulse to give information that will assist understanding of these times and such matters as education in your schools and how your society views things is discussed along with many other topics, either in channeled pieces or as a result of various questions put by members through Edi (and sometimes Fuzziwig) for the answers to be channeled.

Do not confuse 'aliens' with 'spirits' in the sense that you have been conditioned to understand  the word 'spirit' or 'entity', especially when we channel through our vehicles such as Mayatnik, Edi and Fuzziwig.  We do not just 'pop in' to their heads and mumble things.  They are highly trained to be accurate at all times.  It has been a 'fashionable' thing for many to want 'guides' but guides are not like 'a puppy for christmas', and certainly not some plaything or amusement-factor to be 'called' and 'dismissed' at will.  If you are 'ready' (the guides decide this) then you will start to experience those things that will lead you to get a better perception and in due course you will gain fluency in interaction.  Astral Projection is one way in which people are prepared by the guides, by introducing them to Astral experiences.  But, having a guide that you are conscious of invariably means communication via telepathy.  Initially, this contact is primarily for the person's inner-development.  How they react to this period will determine how they progress.  If they progress well, then it is possible that they may become (after many 'tests' by the guide and training for accuracy and ability to work well in that field, a Channeler or Emissary.  It would be counterproductive to information dissemination if the person was not 'ready' for each stage, and for channeling in particular there is a great responsibility and dedication required on the part of the person, and this is 'tested' for with various experiences given to the person along the way.

If you 'dabble' on an occasional basis with what you term the 'spirit world' – a very wide definition – then you are most likely, sadly, to reap the results of the confusion arising from your 'experiences' if you have not shed conditioning and do not have the right 'frame of mind'.  In particular, we would say that it is not common sense to go down dark alleyways in your cities because the encounters will often be dubious, and the same applies to many branches of the occult 'schools' and associated 'thinking' in which misinterpretation abounds.   But, this is a Free Will world and by your experiences you all learn in time in the richness of life's lessons.

You go on to say:
To be honest there aren't many ways i have found to be able to tell the difference unless you can catch them in a lie or giving data that is obviously false. And what you have to remember is that if you open yourself up to a spirit it will more than likely know your every thought, which in itself makes it harder to test it because it will know what you are thinking of.

This question of 'lies' is an interesting one, so I shall comment myself about this.  In my early training, I found that the guide did, on occasions tell 'lies'.  This was done for my own good, as I was to find out.  But, the fact that I had discovered what was being said did not accord to what I believed to be true had to be weighed against my preconditioning, and brought into question what exactly a 'lie' really was.  Clearly, if my perception told me that it was 'untrue' then I had to consider that it was my perception of 'truth'  Having to think hard in this way taught me many things that I otherwise would have missed – and that is part of the 'teaching strategy' of the guides, to sharpen our wits and develop our perception to higher levels.  Without such 'lies' there would only be 'information'.  And who could tell whether this information was in fact 'true'.  Truth is what we perceive it to be, and in dealing with higher realms we are dealing with the 'unknown' so have to build a new foundation of perception.  The guide will often start with really obvious 'lies', to '<test> us (yes, test us, not the other way round!  The object of this kind of 'exercise' is to actually increase the rapport – we would call it 'teasing' if a person did it and it was not malicious, and we would (or should) react appropriately by saying, "Come on now, you're sussed!" and the person or guide may continue for a while by saying, "But, don't you see, what I mean is....." and so the conversation continues.  The object of that extended-exercise is to practice 'engaging' in a converstion flow.  Very often a person needs to practice conversation skills in ordinary life to obtain the best results of interaction, and even more so in communicating by telepathy.  Also, it is a new environment, so even if a person is normally fluent in conversation then they may well be lacking in confidence with this new sphere of communication with a guide, so simply giving 'information' that seems to accord with one's present perception is not productive, and if it is information that is outside the person's perception then those questioning-skills need to be honed in preparation, because it is simply not sensible to just accept what a guide says on 'blind faith' and only by good interactive discussion with the guide will the 'truth' emerge after exploring the topic enough and enough often means many many questions.  There are other simple <tests> that the guide often does with the beginner to prod them into shape to progress well, but you can see from these few examples the benefits of so-called 'lies' which are really teaching-aids for the person to be trained by the guide to become proficient and also well-balanced in their attitude and perspective, as well as coureous; after all, you are being introduced, gradually, to a whole new dimension (and more) and – in the same way as you would be expected to behave in an appropriate manner with a person of a different race on Earth (something which humans in general still struggle with!) it is important to understand that there is such a thing as galactic etiquette and courtesy towards a guide (rather than 'commanding' some underling or slave) is the appropriate behaviour to cultivate.  The beginner will therefore sometimes find that a guide will have a perceived 'temper' or even rudeness – the idea being to cause you to react, but hopefully react in a calm and respectful way.  The point here is, that you should give and expect courtesy at all times under all conditions (remembering that in the higher realms many things will be different to on Earth).  So, when I was being trained, I responded to such perceived behaviour by a visiting entity by saying, "Excuse me.  If you want to talk, then lower your voice, stop acting in what is to me an offensive manner.  I am happy to talk, and we can discuss anything.  But you will get nowhere if you do not talk calmlhy.  So, go out of my head........ say 'Hello.  May I come in to talk?'  I will say, 'Come in' and we shall start again.  If you observe the etiquette – and you know very well what I mean, since you know all about me – then we can proceed.  Otherwise no conversation, and you will be wasting your time".   There are variations on that 'ploy' the guides have to teach the person how to be a good galactic Emisarry.  Several times I was put into 'situations' on the Astral Plane, where I had to work though something presented to me as a scenario.  I have written before about this in QUESTION FOR MAYATNIK in depth, if the reader wants to refer to that now old but extensive thread full of detailed information  which was started by Frank, a Moderator.

But, in all cases it must be understood that the guide is not there just to spoon feed the person with 'information'.  Each person has lesson in life to learn, and these are usually done by the guides unseen in the background presenting situations that people encounter, and when the encounter is instead with a guide (when they are fortunate to be ready for that opportunity) it is no different.    As a person proceeds through all the appropriate <tests> set by theor guide then the occasional teaching 'lies' and 'situation' scenarios decrease, and only 'truth' is given as information.  By that time, the person will be discussing everything with their guide and not accepting what is first given simply 'on a spoon' with open mouth (either in guilibility or in rejection retorts); the person can then be said to have been trained and accurate and be able to negotiate their way in any situation well.   As I have said many times, there is a lot to it, and assumptions do need 'testing' – but it is the guides who do the real <testing> to correct false assumptions along the way.  So, read all you can with common sense and intuition – and be careful how you react to the 'unknown', and you will be guided to go a long way with your progress!

In conclusion, you wrote:
Mayatnik & Edi (and anyone else with a guide) will your guides allow themselves to be tested or not? What is the answer?

I have tried to give you sufficient information above to put this into perspective, and I'm sure the other channelers will gladly contribute in their own way towards giving members a better understanding also.  I'm sorry if this has been long, but there were many factors to bring out that are relevant.  It has taken me a while to get this post up (a full day) because while writing it I was at the same time counseling several people on Messenger who had contacted me whilst writing it so it was a case of much multi-tasking between the counseling and the guides and this post.  But then, that is all part of the job of a channeler to be able to handle.  The only thing I can't do is speed up time, but here it is finally.  Hope it helps.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

quote: ...status

How interesting

What is that supposed to mean?  That the word is an interesting one? Or, that Fuzziwig has been given the status to channel any guide instantly?  If you had explained then that might have been interesting..... but you didn't.

However, let me presume (which is what you did, I think) that you are looking at that word in a way that reflects your conditioning, and you would not be alone in that for many are conditioned to apply 'connotations' to words that alter their original meaning. And if you did presume such a connotation to that word to make it mean 'grandiose' or 'self-agrandization' or 'looking down on others' then you would just be one of millions who think in that judgemental way so don't feel I am directing this personally at you.   I seek here onoy to clarify since you have raised an eyebrow, so to speak at that word.

I could have used the word 'level' or 'position' instead of 'status' – but they all tend to have that strange 'higher than thou' meaning ascribed to them nowadays by societal conditioning.   So, perhaps we should look at it again in context:
FUZZIWIG now has the status given to him to channel ANY Pleiadian and Zeta whenever this is needed, as well as his own Pleiadian guide Jopeha, with instant connection to those guides and their guide
I was channelling my guide there, and that was the word given to me because it meant not just that Fuzziwig had reached a certain level, but that – by diligent work, extremely long hours of service to others in his channelling, and total dedication to the wishes of the guides for him to be accurate at all times HE HAD EARNED THE STATUS to be able to channel any guide – because he could be trusted with that much greater responsibility to discuss things with many guides about their wishes in a diplomatic and confidential (not to be revealed) way, rather than just communicating with his own guide.   It is a matter of 'stages' and many many tests before each 'stuatus' is given – and Fuzziwig has certainly earned that status in the way he has applied himself to the tasks given to him day and night, never complaining and always doing his very best for members both in channelling and also in helping others by answering questions on MSN Messenger from his guide – that is what a channeler does (and I and Edi do the same, not thinking of any reward but to help others in this great work).

Fuzziwig was chosen (yet another emotive word, for those who are conditioned and ascribe the wrong meaning to it) by the guides for the position he has just been given.  I did not 'select' him for that, nor any other human – the guides did.   It is my time to step down now from that job, and for another to take my place.   I did not chose to do this job I did; I was selected and I humbly accepted.  And neither did Fuzziwig chose, nor even ask, to do it.  He has taken it on because it was the wish of the guides to give him that status to serve the members of the Astral Pulse, and it was earned by many tests (which is how it has to be) before he was considered  'ready' by them.

I hope this has clarified the position, and the meaning of that word 'status' which my guide used for a purpose.   I know that Fuzziwig will serve the members well in all he does in his new position in overall charge of the Telepathy Project Group with its additional responsibilities as well as his channelling work on the threads.  I hope that members will respond in positive discussions of the informatioin channelled by Fuzziwig and Edi, and indeed any other Telepathy Group member – but, whether or not, I know that he will do what he has been asked by the guides to do at all times for the Greater Good of all.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYANTNIK

[Arthelion:]

Arthelion:

You say:

quote:I didn't mean aliens like those from films Aliens, Predator, StarWars etc. Just those already mentioned - the Zetas, the Pleiadians and maybe some more. And of course sometime it told me I was talking to my Higher self. Maybe, MAYATNIK, you could shed some light on this, please.

An interesting juncture in the discussion has been reached here – the definition of an 'alien', or rather the need to redefine it.  The word 'alien' of course has connotations of 'alienation', or 'them and us'.  If we alter the word to E.T. (Extra-Terrestrial) or the Russian equivalent, I.P. (InnoPlanetyanin = 'Off-Planet-arian') there is no longer segregation implied on the grounds of difference, but a distinction only in terms of location, 'not here but out there' and that is the crucial factor in gaining a higher perception of what we are really communicating with via the Pendulum (and indeed via telepathy in the case of channeled messages and conversation with our 'guides').

I checked back to what Edi had gone on to ask the Penduulum on page one of this thread, and the answers he got shed further light on this.  So, for the benefit of all in this discussion, I paste below Edi's Q&A Pendulum session [in green] as it continued.....

Are 'aliens' really different from us? No
Are we incarnated 'aliens'? Yes
[...]
Do some of them have to do this? Yes
Do they have to do this the same way we have to go to school, in comparison? Yes
So earth is for them the current stage of learning and gaining experience? Yes
Are they watched and helped by guides? Yes
So guides are essentially the same as incarnated humans, except that they decide to work from the 'outside'? Yes
[...]
Do many beings incarnate as humans in order to help on earth? Yes
Do they have to forget their origin while they are incarnated? Yes

So, we are them, and they are us.   Those who are incarnate at any particular time are watched over by those who are 'up there'.  They know what 'lessons' have been set for those who are down here, and the whole thing is part of a greater evolution.   As a species, 'humans' (the genetic embodiment of that genotype) are engaged in an ongoing 'role play' to build on what has gone before in Man's evolution, and so the species evolves and this has gone on slowly while society lessons (karma) are learned or put off and individuals within that structure have Free Will to affect the overall evolution as a part of it.  Sometimes Beings of the Highest Realms have incarnated to point the way – such as Juesus and Buddha.  Meanwhile, on the higher planes the 'soul' itself of each individual is evolving by the experiences it has volunteered to take part in..... very much like being in 'class'.  We can also, in this sense, talk of 'young souls' and 'old souls'; the young are the Children of the Stars, learning in the playgroup called Earth, and among them – especially at this time in Man's evolution – are mixed in old souls to help the group move forward to attain a higher perception.  It requires a shift in perception to grasp this point about 'aliens' (in the way we have been gradually taught by 'ideas' put into our heads by the Higher Beings to acclimatize us to exploring notions of wht is 'out there') and the fact now emerging that they are not in any way alien, but really our parents (if we are young souls) who are constantly watching over us when we are incarnate as 'humans'.

Regarding your point, Arthelion, about when the Pendulum told you that you were talking to your 'Higher Self'.....

This again, is a matter of perception..... and conditioning.   It has become ingrained through New Age thinking that there is a distinction between the body (or 'vehicle' as the guides call it) and the real YOU, but the whole thing gets blurred the more you read of widely differing 'theories'.   The Pendulum can help with this to clarify and shed conditioning, but there also has to come a shift of perception for it all to fit together.  The main thing to grasp is that you are you, and the 'vehicle' is simply the body someone gave a name to at birth, and the 'vhicle' experiences in this life as a human impacts on those experiences with his/her personality and given attributes.  When <you> come down to this Earth you lose the memory of the Being you really are (you wouldn't be able to learn the lessons properly if you remembered what it was all about in evry detail).   The difficulty people have in this 'linear' (rather than 'cyclic') society is that they are often so immersed, as a result of 'education', in getting the 'vehicle' to 'be the image' that they convince themselves that they are the 'image'.  You are NOT the 'vehicle', you are you.  So, really, you can't talk to your Higher Self – you can only talk THROUGH your Higher Self, as a way of communicating..... and of course, as you slowly awaken to this, you start to be aware and then talk to what you perceive as Higher Beings Of Light, or 'guides'.  But it is still somewhat blurred, and the movie notion of 'aliens' keeps getting in the way, not to mention the conditioning of religion and 'angels' and the 'God' who Knws All.   In reality, those things are but distorted facets of the same thing:  We are them, and they are us, as I explained.

So, when asking questions using the Pendulum, the primary objective of a guide has to be to gradually shift your perception so that you can begin to grasp new things.  If your perception, for example, is still rooted in the idea that you are talking to your Higher Self, then a good teacher doesn't say "No.   You're not talking to your Higher Self, you're talking to me" and so, it comes gradually, even very slowly at times with some aspects and quickly with others – depending on the degree of your prior conditioning and by whichever path you came to the Pendulum.   So, if a person thinks they are talking to their Higher Self, then that is fine; that is their perception at a given time.  Truth is relative to perception.  The way forward is to ask as much as you can, and long Pendulum 'conversations' are the ideal for this as you get immersed in the subjects you are examining with the Pendulum it it flows from question to question as you search for an understanding of what is often very Unknown at first..... but it will become your landscape as your perception increases, and you will learn to walk along new paths of discovery exploring the terrain that will be opened up to you.

I hope this sheds a little more light and broadens the perspective.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

LULLABI:

quote:It's a little creepy, thinking on a computer is information about me, every single thing about me..

Now that is a really interesting topic to ask the Pendulum questions about, and it can lead on to many other topics.   I'll give you some background information, to get you started.....

I mentioned in my post about the 'computer' being what some call the 'All Knowledge' or the 'Collective Consciousness'.   In actual fact, the 'computer' accesses what is called the <Akkashic Records>, as a kind of 'database' which can be called upon.  The Akkashic records are also written to every night when a person sleeps, and it is 'updated' in that way.  So, when the Zeta or whichever Higher Being is in contact with you your 'log in' gives your personal-ID which causes the Akkashic Records to be accessed, so that the guide will know all they need to know to help you, which is all about you.  So, the guide knows you better than you (consciously) know yourself!

This also explains some of the things that are in religions, such as having a 'guardian angel' who knows your life-path and all about you..... and, of course, the 'All Knowing' God (now you know how 'God' knows, because He holds the full 'database' and shares that information with the 'angels', who are the Higher Beings or Zeta or whatever according to our perception.   Long ago it was explained to humans in very simple terms that they could understand, but now Man is coming of age and can learn what it is really all about.   So, use your Pendulum to explore all these things, think with an open mind beyond the boundaries of religion and conditioning... and you will find not only the answers to things that were simplified and then became corrupted over the ages by misconceptions and 'theories', but you will then come to understand the Big Picture itself if you ask and ask as much as you can.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

[LULLABI:]

LULLABI:

quote:
Oh, I have a question. Is the entity, or whatever it is that is being channeled through the pendulum, the same every time? So, for instance, next time I talk to my pendulum, would it be the same female Zeta(assuming that was the truth)? And if so, why are they always available to answer my questions? Don't they have their own lives to attend to? Is this their "job"? If it was my guide, I could understand, but it says it's not my guide. I guess these are things I should ask it.

These are good questions to ask the Pendulum, but usually it takes more than one question and often a few before you begin to get the 'picture' – it's very much like when you're talking to a friend, you ask about things and the conversation flows and bit by bit you get to understand better; this is especially the case when you are asking about the Unknown and just one simple 'yes' or 'no' doesn't provide the full answer for you to evaluate it properly.  The Pendulum isn't there to just give you answers – it is a teacher, and that is why sometimes you will seem to get wrong answers; it is as if the 'teacher' has said, "Hey, think about it!", and that is when you should use your intuition and try another approach.  You will sometimes get an 'idea' that suddenly pops into your head seemingly from out of the blue (but it isn't, because the guides put it there) so go with it, and ask things along the lines of that 'flash of inspiration' you've just got; learn to recognize when that happens, because it is the start of the process of telepathy which you will eventually acquire if you practice conversations with the Pendulum.

Regarding your specific questions (which I have quoted).....

Is the entity on the 'other end' the same every time you use the Pendulum?   It is likely to be different each time, since those who answer the Pendulum come from a 'pool' of guides who are always available and are specially trained to help the beginner, and are highly skilled in making best use of the 'yes' and 'no' answers they give in order to teach the person in that way.  So, basically, it is whichever one happens to be 'on duty' and and answers the 'call' when you pick up the Pendulum.  Incidentally, Pendulum users should give the Pendulum about 5 seconds to settle (it will make a little twirling motion before settling) and this will ensure you are tuned-in correctly to it.   And don't worry about taking up the time of the 'guide', because that is what they're there for – it is their job to help you, for as long as you like in each conversation-session with the Pendulum, and the longer you chat with it the more fluent you will get then the questions come much easier with the flow.  You can ask about anything you like, and asking about them and what they do is a good topic for conversation with them to get to know them better.  They, of course, know everything about you as soon as you pick up the Pendulum because it is really connected through their computer (which is what people sometimes call the 'All Knowledge'), but you can talk about yourself too and ask things to do with 'everyday' subject..... like what sort of food is good/bad for you, what you might be allergic to, talk about your problems etc.

To clarify a few points about the Zeta (since you ask), they are more than likely the ones who will answer the Pendulum.  They have many jobs with humans, including giving dreams that are 'virtual experiences' to help people to deal with problems and bringing things from the subconscious to the conscious mind, and they are the ones who also assist (and regulate) in what a person can see in such as Remote Viewing and Astral Projection (again, many of those 'scenes' that you step into are to help you towards a better perception by showing you things that will start you thinking in different ways).  There are Zeta guides who are assigned to some people, but it is usually a Pleiadian guide who is permanently 'assigned' rather than a Zeta when a person becomes telepathically able to communicate with the guide.  This is because the Pleiadians communicate direct with the person, and the Zeta normally work through the Zeta 'computer' (which, as I've said, is the interface between the entity on the 'other end' and the Pendulum.  In fact, when you become fluent with the Pendulum you can ask questions direct to their 'computer' or through it to any Higher Being.  But at first you will be given a 'guide' on duty on the other end to help you get really acclimatized to the Pendulum and a good flow of conversations with it, and that's the general situation when you use the Pendulum and 'log on' (with the little 'twirl' it does when you pick it up).

I hope this has given you some good ideas for further questions.  You might start with this post, and ask more.  Then, you could read the Zeta (or Reptilian) Conversations threads and ask further questions using the Pendulum (it is a good idea to hold it as you read, and it will be ready then for you to ask as soon as a question pops into your head.  You will also see it agreeing ('yes' swing) with what you are reading (if it is Zeta, etc) or disagreeing (the swing changes to 'no') sometimes with some posts from members if they have not got the right idea about something.

There's everything you'll need to know in the
NEW PENDULUM DOWSING COURSE BY MAYATNIK
in the Astral Pulse library.

The course is essential for learning how to use it correctly in the way it has been used accurately for thousands of years (the first steps, like determining what is a 'yes' and a 'no' response and how best to hold it are crucial).  I have spent many years teaching the Pendulum, so if you follow the course then you can't go wrong.   Good luck!
-   
With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

TONY M,

You wrote an excellent paper, and espeially so since it had to fit on a single A4 sheet.  But doesn't that point to the inadequacy of expression allowed in the education system, where your view must conform, watered down, to the framework of the corriculum.

Here there is no restriction to length, apart from some who would wish it shorter to have less to read; yet, in the end, even for them the thread becomes long as questions are raised to fill in what has been missed out.  So, I presented my reply to cover my perspective - it is then up to members to debate.  I am an individual, so I did it my way.  I look forward to you (and others) writing more on this - but my further replies will be shorter if so, because itis your turn now to add in discussion to what has been written.  Nothing is ever comlete, and what I wrote could have been shorter - but I said what had to be said at this time, and I didn't want it to be misunderstood because misconception is the main problem in the world today and the cause of so much unhappiness.

Let your thunder roll, and in that we shall come to the rainbow and and freshness in the air.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK.

Hello Everyone,

I came to this this thread, by invitation of TONY M, who asked me in the Prophecy and Divination section: You seem like a smart and educated person and that's why I'd like you to read my paper on happiness and comment about it. so here I am, and I've just read your paper Tony.

First of all, may I comment that the phrse "smart and educatied" person is a matter of individual perception and often based on conditioning.  Perception, on the one hand, determines how a person sees things in the world, and this 'insight' is derived from our intuition.  Sadly, there is often a 'filter', a colouration, that is between the person and what they are viewing – and that 'filter' is the imposed conditioning of our present day society, as well as the influence exerted by family, friends and colleagues/teachers in the environmental 'soup' we swim in called societal norms.  Thus, our perception of 'Happiness' is also a factor of this, and desires to be part of that society make people prey to the onslaught of subltle media exhortations for us to conform to the latest trend of thought, whether it be scientific, soial activity or just in how we view our homes and even ourselves.  There is the ever pervasive implication that we are not achieving, not part of, unless we do this or that – and the end-result is a onstant striving beyond our means to acquire knowledge, possessions and status in society..... to the extent that the individual cannot express himself in his uniueness unless he uses that whih the mainstream of society extols; and that is a paradox, but the reality of the present situation in the glabal environment of economics where people are driven like sheep to feed the machine.  And, of course, discontent and unhappiness are not just a phenomena of modern times – although today's technological race has exponentiated the quest for more of what is seen to be lacking in a person's life.  As long as there have been leaders who, for their own ends, have used  their subjects as part of their power-play the seeds of discontent have been sown and happiness has often seemed elusive with the carrot of comparison being dangled by leaders and the 'establishment', as to where the grass may be greener in one's aspirations and struggle.

Struggle and hard work do not in themselves diminish happiness – in fact, in Chinese Philosophy (and in my own experience also) these these two things bring longevity and great happiness just in the doing, just in the being of oneself, without thought of status or recompense.  It is those external notions of 'society' about status and recompense that introduce the discontentment factor by the subtle programming that says one should strive to ahieve in competition against others to secure your own little bit of heaven – but, sadly, when you 'get there' you find that money cannot buy happiness at any price, nor can status.

Happiness comes, therefore, from within and is not dependent on external factors.  It is not just a state of mind,  it is a state of being.  And the poorest person in the remotest outback can (and often is) the happiest when compared with those in our First World economic society with all its glitz and apparent prosperity and amenities.   I quote here from Tony's Paper in the above post on this: "research done by psychologist Martin Seligman: "external factors only have an 8 to 15% influence on our experience of happiness"  I would go further than that, and say that for most people – if they have the perception to discern their true individuality – then there is only a tiny percentage influence in how we experience happiness   For a few, I would even say that there is zero influence in the state of happiness that can be achieved by a person.   Happiness is a state of contentment and vision.  Even a person deprived of freedom, suh as Nelson Mandela, for many years can be happy and contented just in 'being' for that while in the greater scheme of things spiritually.   For each the time will come for what they are meant to do and to experience.  There are lessons  for each person and for those who interact with them – lessons in unselfishness, lack of prejudgement or prejudice, not seeking vengeance or retribution, and other things that are part of the attribute called happiness.

Can this state of happiness be really constant?   Again, I quote from Tony, who states the normal perception: "When you don't experience a feeling of happiness every day, doesn't this mean that you are unhappy? This because you know you are missing something and you don't know   how to obtain it"   This begs the question – What is a 'feeling of happiness' to an individual?  It is clearly subjective, and also covers a great range... from 'quietly happy' to eurphoria, and also depends on the person's 'threshold' of happiness perception, in the same way as the threshold of pain, in which paradoxically there can also be great happiness, as in child-birth and many other things that come into our experience.  As for "missing something", here again is something that can awaken the discontentment factor.... But the "not knowing how to obtain it" can also be a negative beause it can cause impatience and therefore discontent can rear its head increasing the feeling of unhappiness.

Tony writes:
in our society we are brought up with the idea that we should ignore our feelings and should only listen to our reasoning mind. This when our subconscious made us happy when we were a baby. And isn't this the same with a lot of mentally challenged people who seem to enjoy life much more than normal people, as long as they are not confronted with their fears? Fear is the biggest enemy of happiness
The cult of the Rational is endemic in modern society.  It is what I refer to in my channeled article in the Communications section as 'linear' thinking – that state where the 'reasoning mind' is applied step-by-step to eah thing encountered, and ways then sought to 'get round' problems.  It is a narrow-vision process, not far removed from how a blind man might tap with his cane what lies immediately ahead.   Except that a blind man rarely just taps ahead in such a linear fashion.  I am Registered Blind, fully trained in Braille reading and long-cane technique, so I know.   When external distracting influences are removed, then a person can use their 'inner vision' with clarity; it is as if that inner vision is blinded in the sighted person by the dazzle of what is around him.  So, all my life I have been 'missing' (?) the vision that sighted people have, but have been able to use and gain added perception with my inner-vision.  At no time have I felt I was missing something – in fact, on the contrary, I have gained so very much by this.   I was not able to read and study what others ould do so easily, so I became clairvoyant... seeing what they could not see in their inner-blindness.

I was always poor, and my childhood memories are of presents at Christmas that comprised an apple, an orange, a block of chocolate and one simple toy (often home-made) for me.  Even when I got married the next thirty years of our marriage was devoted to ensuring that our two boys had the necessary basics of heat in the house, warm bedding and good basic home-made food to sustain them – along with Love from us that was not mollycoddling or limiting their free-expression.  So, we were always happy every day, even in times of trouble.  And trouble was a frequent visitor.

In 1969, just four years after we had got married, my career in Management was splattered to the winds of Fate, and the rest of my working life was spent trying to get small jobs in Management positions or anything that would pay the mortgage and feed the children.  Because in 1969 my hip was smashed by a speeding driver as I was crossing the road, and I was to spend the rest of my working days and beyond on two crutches in often intense pain that the strongest pain killers could not relieve.  Yet, I was happy – because I had found the meaning of life... which was to experience things and learn.  And in that learning I discovered humility, and much wisdom came along that road as I observed those around me.  I learned compassion and great patience.  Ten years before my wife died I had a dream which foretold in great detail that she would die ten years hence.  We had always been soul-mates and I had that cross to bear, to know that this would happen and not be able to tell her.  So, instead, I made plans to take her to the countryside and she spent then the last 8 years of her life there in the beautiful and simple-living natural surroundings of what was called 'Gods County' amid the sheep bedecked fields and hills that had a magnetism that we never wanted to leave.  "This is my Heaven.  I shall stay here until I die", she said.   And she did, in 1995, just as foretold in that dream in every detail as it unfolded to my eyes.  Yes, I was heartbroken.  But, I was happy because we had lived our lives to be individual.  We had lived through all those rich experiences that so many do not have, and what all those things had taught us was the lessons we had to learn.   So, with every pain and every hardship came increasing joy for us that we were given those things by God in His Wisdom.  I thank God for all those precioius gifts that money cannot buy, the rich experiences of life as they unfolded.   And, more was to come, in those gifts.....

In the list very few minutes of my wife's life, she had a Near Death Experience.  Normally a person recounts that when they come back and recover.  But this was not to happen in the case of my wife, so I was allowed to witness that NDE, and she relayed everything that was being told to her that I should know as she stoold on the Bridge Of No Return that morning.   I was given a long message, relayed to me by my wife just before she collapsed and never regained consciousness..... and that fateful day was to be the start of a brand new life for me.  A new life in which I suddenly from that time received great psychic ability and Telepathy.   I had always, up to then and even from the age of 7 and younger been able to do effortlessly what is called on this site 'Astral Projection' and Remote Viewing, though until my wife's death I had simply done it (and didn't even have a name for it, since I'd never taken any interest in in whether others might be able to do those things).  Then, in 1995, I gained the gift of Telepathy with a guide I suddenly found I had – and I proceeded to have long conversations with her and learn many many things that I had never known - even things that were not in books or what books had got wrong as I was to discover later when my guide, Karek, directed me to bookshelves that contained the very things she had been telling me about in so much detail prior to me ever seeing it in print or even knowing that people had written about such things.  I did not know even what a 'Channeler' was, but I was soon to become one.  And so, along then starting to bea Healer (A Reiki Master) I also did Metaphysical Counselling giving advice from my guide who was always present at all times when I was awake, and started to channel her words when she asked me to write on various spiritual websites; and so it was, that I arrived here on the Astral Pulse on 15th June last year to channel about the Pendulum which I had been teaching the advanced divination use of before according to her wishes and instructions, and then to teach telepathic communication with guides that were assigned to others who would become channelers – Edi and Fuzziwig, who now have their own regular threads in the Communications section channeling their Pleiadian guides.  My guide is a Pleiadian Being Of Light also, and we are able to contact through our respective guides other Higher Species in the galaxy – the Zeta and the Reptilians, who are currently answering members questions in the Communications section here on the Astral Pulse.

If what I have just said seems incredible to you, not believable, then think how I felt when it happened to me.  My first few months were spent having many conversations with the Zeta, back in 1995.  I didn't know them as the Zeta then, and had never heard of the Zeta Talk website.  I was a practical, down-to-earth person who simply lived a simple life.  But it happened to me.   And, although I approached it with many questions of them and my guide before I understood the Bigger Picture, I kept at all times a positive and open mind to explore the Unknown without fear.  Fear is what holds people back, negativity keeps the door closed to what can be learned, and discontentment festers keeping true happiness and contentment out of reach.  So, I was happy with whatever came along for me to experience.

Experiences bring the potential for change.  And some experiences are dramatic, from which we are never the same again.  Embrace all experiences with an open heart and you will receive their full potential.  It is not in the obvious that we learn, but in many subtle ways that are part of what is provided for us.  There is no such thing as 'random'; all is order and planned.  A person who wins the lottery will do so because it was meant to be, for them to learn something by that.  And some will never win a large amount of money, because they have other lessons to learn.  Look not to the obvious, for nothing is the way it seems.  My wife, the night before she was to die, said these words to me, out of the blue:  "Whatever the future may SEEM to hold, now is all that matters".   Live for today, because for some tomorrow will never come.  And cherish each precious moment for what experience it brings; then you will never be unhappy.

I have lived my life with love in my heart, even when people have tried to hurt me and on several occasions even tried to take my life away.  Now I know Happiness for which there are no words to explain to you how I feel, except to say that I have Utter Contentment with what God has given me and I do what I am asked to do by my guide to help others.  Soon I shall leave you, my job nearly finished at the Astral Pulse, and I go on to the next stage "of what there is yet to do" as my wife relayed to me.

Soon will come the Pole Shift.  No date will be given for this, and there is no need because there will be adequate signs.  Prepare in your own time, and have no fear because all will be made right.  Look with the wide-open eyes of a child, to learn all you can at this time.  Read and discuss.  This is no longer a time for 'blind-belief' in what others have conditioned you to.  Look within, use common sense and intuition regarding what you see – and in that way shed the conditioning and dispel the darkness and shadows of ignorance and go forward into the Light.  Because, in the Light there is True Happiness and Love.   And, in the end, Love is ALL that matters.

These things I have been asked by my guide to write.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK

Haepaestus,

You say:
All things to do with 2012 came from the translating of the Mayan calendar, has it occured to anyone that perhaps it was translated wrongly?
This is not the case.   All things do not come from the Mayan Calendar to do with the 2012 date. The calendar is only a corroboration of other facts known for thousands of years, and the Mayans are simply not that old.  What is interesting in this corroboration is that the Mayans, thousands of miles away, knew what the Sumerians knew, and also had the culture of the Pyramids and the impossibility for them also to have built them unaided along with many other things about them that is striking.  But the 'translations' of the Mayan Calendar are precise (in fact, ultra precise) and have been verified by modern computers in a special investigation.  That investigation was not done regarding the Manan end-date actually, and the investigators were looking in completeliy another direction – they were trying to find out the significance of the 11 shafts in the Great Pyramid.   When they used star charts they found that 11 stars lined up exactly to the shafts in the Pyramids around the time that scientists estimated they were made.  On 'rolling forward' the star charts again towards our present time from then, it was discovered that those 11 stars did not align at all during the intervening period........until they reached (surprisingly) the 23rd December, 2012.... Which happened to be also the Mayan end-date for their calendar.  That is an example of such independent corroboration.  We also have the known 'Ages of Man' that correlate exactly to the various periods in our history (particularly of Europe and the Middle East), such as the 'Age of Leo' (when the Sphynx representing it and the Sirians, and in that time perioid the pyramids also, were built), and the others (which we know as the Cosmic Zodiac, relating to the Cosmic Spiral of our stars over massive periods of time) and of course the 'Age of Pisces', the coming of the Fisherman Jesus.  Each age (segment of that Grand Cycle) represents a major Lesson in the evolution of Mankind..   And all this correlates with the Mayan Calendar, made by another seemingly quite separate culture thousands of miles away independently.   On looking closer in serious research there is, however, a connection : They too had 'visitiors' from the stars, who gave them that 'information' for their calendar and the Mayans observed the stars and became aware of the 'cycle' of Time, and how it affects Mankind.  We are now coming to the end of the Age of Pisces.   Soon we shall be in the Age of Aquarious – and that is the start of a whole new Grand Cycle, and a dramatic change for Mankind.   It is not a time of 'doom' but a New Beginning.  The dawn of a New Epoch for us.

I have yet to write further to my channelled article on 'Cycles' appertaining to this (and which is in the Reptilian thread of the Commnications section – as I've already mentioned in a previous post above here), but with my house move being imminent now and so little time left I have had to leave until later my 'Ages of Man' and also another channelled article which I shall write on the Planets and their effect from 1960 to 2012.  These channelings regarding information that has been known for a long time are not directly connected with the Mayans themselves, but are identical nevertheless from our European and Middle East cultural knowledge from ancient times.   So, there is no mistranslation or misconception - and it is not about some 'end-date' alone but a complete chronology all is as it was planned in the Cosmos for Mankind.

With Pleiadian Love and Light,
MAYATNIK[