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I was referring to other things, some conspiracy theories etc, but I have no intention on cluttering this topic with things that would be off-topic(more than I already did). But anyway, I meant that convincing the closed-minded and/or skeptics is useless.. both of which you say you aren't, so my reply was more of a reply to Kurtys opinion where he seems to think that convincing skeptics as useful thing to do. Not that there would be anything wrong in doing so, I just think one could use the time much better.. like giving pointers to people who want to learn the stuff, not disprove it in advance.

I do hope that you can experience this for yourself, and I'm sure you can, if you are willing to put the hours in it. Who knows, maybe you are a natural and don't even need that much work before your first OBE. But even then, it will be a matter of belief what you make of the experience.. anything can be a "trick of the mind" afterall. But still, experiencing how much more real it is than a dream (or 'real' life ) should atleast give something to think about when it happens to you.

Good luck!

I answered once in two weeks.. For me it seems to vary a lot. When I got some more free times in my hands and read OBE stuff, I seem to get lot's of OBEs.. and many times I AP multiple times in one night. So, depending how you count those, I might say I AP 1-3x/night 4-7 days a week on a very active week.. then again, I may have months with no OBEs which I can remember when I'm busier.. so it depends.

I agree.. trying to convince skeptics, or anyone other for that matter, for the sake of convincing is a waste of time. If they are interested enough, they'll find out for themselves.. otherwise they can ignore any evidence even if it is in plain sight for anyone to see, if they don't want to include this in their reality. And even when some skeptics "convert", the rest of the skeptics will see him as an outcast who isn't fit to convince anyone of anything anymore.. afterall he/she was weak enough to start believing in nonsense when the rest have spend so much time and energy undermining the same thing..

The same seems to apply in science.. if someone seems to gather some evidence which supports some activity which is seen now as "paranormal" he is ridiculed / ignored by scientific society, even if he has the approriate education and certifications etc. If the sosial group as a whole isn't ready to accept something, then a few individuals can't force them change their beliefs. In the end it's all about beliefs, because true objectivity is a fantasy and self-deceit.

Well atleast that is how I see things.. still that doesn't mean that I don't enjoy occasionally discussing these things with skeptical people, or maybe even showing a thing or two, which might or might not convince them.. that is if they aren't totally closed minded individuals. Mostly I just try to get them to question their deep rooted beliefs if possible.. That is benefitial for anyone imo.

Well this experiment will indeed tell something of the authencity OBE if it is successful test. However there still are alternative solutions how you could get the color and design right, for example by telepathy or intuition etc. On the otherhand if you get the color and design wrong even if you manage to get to his house and take a look of his piano books, it still doesn't prove that OBE isn't real because your expectations might change its appearance or you might slip up to a lucid or to a mind constructed house etc.

So to really proof the existence of OBE would be quite tricky. Can there be any assurance that one doesn't use telepathy, intuition or something similar to get the test information? And since there is many things that can go wrong, a failure in a test isn't proof of anything either. I'm not saying that it isn't good and fun to test these things, just stating that it's quite difficult to prove to a third party that OBE is real. Of course a successful test would impress anyway, OBE or not.

I've tried to prove this for myself by asking someone to put a card from a deck of cards somewhere hard to reach, so that even he doesn't look which one it is. Only once I've remembered to try to check this card, and it was a partial success(or failure if you want to look it that way). My brother put one card on top of the fridge from two combined decks of cards. Once I managed to OBE I went to check it, but instead of one card there was a deck of cards and five separate cards (the extra ones I had created I think). I remember thinking that maybe he did a trick for me and left more cards there. So, I memorized the 5 cards there, returned to body and went to check the real card. One of those fice separate cards was the real card, king of clubs.

Not that impressive, but something to improve on. I think the real card may have been mixed with my imaginary cards, or maybe it was just a lucky guess to get the real card also.. although I have no doubts that OBE is real, it would be fun to learn to do the card test consistently.. but I'd need more practise to be able to do so.

I think that tarot cards serve as a door for ones own intuition. Surely the cards have some common interpretations, but they serve as base for your own interpretations of the cards. They have many kinds of characters, scenery, items, moods, colors etc. so one card can be seen from many perspectives depending how it relates to the other cards on the spread and which part of the card seems to catch your attention in the particular reading. It would be hard to catch the same ideas without the external aid of the cards.

The question remains if you somehow 'choose' the right cards for the right reading with the help of your intuition/subconscious/supraconscious/spirit guide/etc, or perhaps you just make up the story from random cards which you happen to choose. Maybe it depends who is doing the reading. I don't know.

Anyway, I still think that even if tarot cards didn't have anything more to it than cards with pretty pictures on them, they are a useful tool for anyone. They present possibilities you may have not thought about. Doing the readings for yourself each day keeps you present in your day, alert for new possibilities, may help you get off of your deep rooted routines and belief systems.. and these are great gifts for anyone. Of course you don't need the tarot cards to achieve any of that, but I think it would be highly beneficial for most people. People tend to get unconscious, live their days in any other time except the now, which is all there is.. wasting the precious.

Of course one could use the tarot readings as infallible predictions of the future and use them as a excuse to make potentially bad choices/hurt people etc.. but that would be quite.. immature.

-Harrif

Good job! It isn't hard is it? Once you get the hang of it.. and it does get it's own momentum, so it's automatic after a while, it even gets hard to stop when you do it for a while in one place.

And nice that you got the feeling before reading about it, it just goes to show that it isn't about some self-suggestion etc. as some skeptics like to explain it away. "you get what you expect", I think not.

-Harrif

I have tried some of these I-Dosers a few times.. for me they don't seem to work as well as with many others. Although there was once OBE related doser which did actually help me get in a trance faster than I normally would, but I didn't make any progress from there on.. I think that that the doser may only have interfered the process after trance.. but as I have tried these I-dosers only few times, I can't say if it was an isolated insident. However some people seem to have major effects with these.. why would they lie?

I think that this, as almost all, is subjective. I believe that they can really have effects on you, but not necessarily. I didn't even want to try the drug/alcohol related dosers.

-Harrif

The objective is to learn to highlight any part of your body with your awareness only, eventually.

If you find it hard to target some (or any part at all) areas of your body with awareness only.. you should use first do the practise physically, and concentrate how it feels when you actually do it, and then reproduse the same feeling with your awareness (or mind) alone. It's not about visualizing, you don't have to visualize at all, just feel it. This is one of those things that may seem complicated when explained, but it really is very simple and natural. The only hard part in it for some, may be that they don't get any response from the part they are trying to manipulate or just feel, and that usually is a indication of an energy blockage.

So, just to get you started, first thing you should/could try (I though this was explained in NEW guide though), physically scratch (or brush if you have a paint brush or something) your thumb (joint, or thumb as a whole), not hard just enough for the feeling to linger after you stop it. Close your eyes and concentrate on the feeling in your thumb, when you are doing it, and how it feels after you stop it. Now you have a reference what you will try to accomplish with your awareness only. You CAN imagine/visualise your hand doing to brushing, but by no means do you have to, the point is the feeling the brushing does. If it helps to visualize a brush stroking back and forth your thumb, then you can do so, but only as a means to get the feeling.

It may take some time at first, so don't stop if you don't feel anything in your thumb when you brush it back and forth mentally, it shouldn't take more than 0-3 minutes to start feeling energy sensations there.. and then it gets easier, but even before that you can learn to feel the mental brushing quite as real as if someone really were brushing your thumb/whatever you are working on.

Hopefully this helps you to feel it, and when you learn it from one place you can use the same method anywhere. When you feel comfortable enough with the mental awareness moving around your body, lose the  physical scratching/brushing so that you don't grow dependant on it.

Once more, tactile imagining isn't any more complex then you for example concentrating intensilly(at first, it gets almost automatic) on your hand. To make it even easier, close your eyes and try to feel little breezes and differences in temperature around your hand, you'll surely automatically be concentrating on your hand really well then. You don't need to visualize anything in order to feel your hand do you? You just concentrate on it, and you are done. The thing is that when you concentrate on a part of your body you move your awareness from your eyes to the spot you are concentrating, without even realizing it. Moving/spinning/etc the awareness "spot" is the new thing here, and it makes all the difference.

Of course there will be some more new things to learn, but one step at a time.

-Harrif

I'm not actually reiki healer, but as I've understood, and as with some other healing techniques, it usually seems to be more effective if you just begin the healing process and then 'step out of the way' so to speak. Meaning you don't try to do anything, just let the healing happen after you've started running the energy.

There are, however, healing methods in which you have to do all the work.. Quantum touch basic healing method for example, in which one has to willfully circle the energy from legs to head and to hands while using one of many breathing techniques.. this method requires a lot of concentration, but I find it very good for developing the energy body while doing it, because it basically is almost identical to some of the NEW energy ways methods. Although the more advanced methods in QT also rely pretty much you starting the process or creating the healing space and then getting out of the way and letting the healing occur. And these techniques seem to be more powerful for healing purposes in most cases.

I would also recommend starting the practise with NEW energy ways which kurtykurt42 linked there.. you pretty much learn QT in the process as a one powerful healing method (once you are able to do full body bounce).

-Harrif

Hello Mika37! (Are you Finnish?)

I'm not sure if the biaural beats are safe to use or not.. but as usual, it's best to learn to OBE without any external aids, so that you don't grow dependant on those. But that's just a matter of opinion I guess. As for actual damage, I have no idea about that.

"All of a sudden my body felt very small and my head very large, like a huge void"

This seems like one description to the feeling of falling in (deep?) trance.. And from a deep trance state you don't have to do much to get the vibrations, so I'd say you're spot on in your guess.. you probably were in the beginning of vibrational stage. From there you don't have to do anything else except get out of your body.. it should be pretty easy for most people. Actually getting the vibrations is the hard part in my opinion.. after vibrations you are virtually out already, just try to fly, turn to the side(rolling out of your body), use the ROPE method or something like that to move out from your body. You'll be outside your body in no time if everything goes without problems. One problem in this stage which has plagued me is, that when you concentrate on getting out, the vibrations will lessen.. when you don't think about anything they intensify.. so it may take some finesse to balance these two so that vibrations stay intense and you still get out. Although if you just lay there with the vibrations long enough, you'll probably float out without trying.

Remember to keep your first projection ultra-short if you succeed in this, otherwise you might end up losing the memory of it.

Hopefully this was helpful,
-Harrif

Have you had a conscious OBE yet? Just asking, because there are many different feelings in different stages before the actual OBE.. the feeling often referred as the vibrations, being one of the last ones (perhaps the last, at least for me), of the bunch.. so maybe your 'vibrations' are third eye chakra related feeling. I'm not saying that it can't be a vibration, maybe just not the vibrations of which you often will hear from people.

After many other energy feelings, I get the exit related vibrations, they felt at first like a high voltage cable is stuck in the middle of your chest.. and the electric shock shoots through your whole body. (not painful by any means, just very very powerful, I jumped right up from laying down the first time I got those.. although I was familiar with different energy feelings at that time) You'll actually hear a sound at the same time, it's like a low toned humming sound. Of course the feelings and how people describe these vary some... and as my energy body has developed or I've gotten used to these vibrations (or both), they don't feel as intense anymore, but still it's like the whole of your body is vibrating everywhere at the same time. The vibrations and the accompanying sound seems to intensify in cycles.

But well, they are quite hard to explain. Afterall, it is a new kind of experience, no-one could've explained it to me so that I'd know how it feels before I experienced it myself.. although the explanations would've made sense the moment I'd finally get the feeling.

-Harrif

Hello Maria Valadez!

Welcome to the forums, I look forward to reading your experiences.

-Harrif

Hmm.. I really don't know. I suppose that if one wouldn't believe in these things.. and then had this kind of an experience, the realization that OBE is real has quite profound implications to many other things which one might not believe either. So this experience can be quite life altering. Even more belief altering. I don't remember anymore did this have this kind of effect on me when I first projected, but I always believed this to be true before I attained this state myself.. so for me it was rather a jump to ' already believe' to 'know', but no deeply rooted beliefs had to change in the process.

Of course what you feel afterward might not be based on a profound belief altering effect, but maybe on a energetic one.. I don't know if conscious OBE exit does things to your energy body, but I think you can't attain conscious OBE exit before your energy body is in a good enough condition.. or something of the like.. I know people do have spontaneous OBEs also, so I don't know how it factors in to all this.

All in all, I think a projection, especially the first one can have life altering properties in many ways.. but I'm not sure how you feel different compared to before and does it has anything to do with your OBE in this case..

-Harrif

Good questions, ones that I would like to know myself too.

"so .. when i wake up, if ive had a dream where someones poking me, or grabbing me etc. why is it when i wake up i can still feel where they were grabbing me ?"

Just recently I had an OBE where an entity, disquised as a person whom I trust, tried to somehow trick me in to something, but I saw through his disquise before he had a chance to complete what he had in mind. When he realised that I see through his disquise he grapped on to my wrist quite hard.. I tried to "banish" him, but I couldn't speak. He seemed amused, and I tried to speak, until I was able to pray mentally strongly enough to get away from there. Then I returned to my body, and felt that my wrist were still being grapped quite hard.. so I tried prying the fingers open, the feeling subsided when I got up and sitting.

I really don't know how this works, but I'm thinking that I returned to my body, but my astral body was loose enough for the entity to keep grabbing me.. I really don't know if I was physically or astrally prying open those finger, but it seemed as real as physical, and I was there on my body at that moment.

"also, why is it that sometimes i feel like there is an invisible barrier not allowing me to move a certain way ? is there anyway i can get past that ?"

I haven't experienced this, but if they are able to keep you from talking, and grapping onto you and pulling to different directions, maybe the negative entities can do this also.. if the projector isn't proficient enough to get through the walls.. This is new to me, so I don't have anything helpful to say to this one..

"i projected today, and when i do project, i'll have maybe 5 or 6 experiences in a row since i pull myself back in everytime i go into sleep paralysis.  why sometimes is it that i can feel myself having an OBE, but i can't exactly see very easily ? usuallyu around the 4th or 5th  experience i'll feel myself tapping where people have told me my "third eye"(?) is to try and get my eyes to open.  i dont understand how things are blurry during certain experiences and crystal clear in others ..."

I sometimes OBE in succession also.. I've also had many many times when I can't see anything, but then asking/willing to have the vision I get it or at least somekind of blurry box through which I can see a little. If I remember correctly what I've read in the past, the not being able to see is related to having too little energy.. so energy work would 'officially' be the correct answer I think..

In your experience you seem to have problems with your vision with the later projections of the row.. so what I said earlier might have some merit to it. And as it was with me when I projected 3 times in a row. First time around I saw perfectly. With another projection I didn't see anything, before I willed myself a vision.. which was very restricted and blurry. After second projection I spend a minute or two raising energy but don't really know if I saw with this one, I fell through the wall accidently as soon as I projected, so I don't know if it was pitch black or I didn't see. I lost RTZ while roaming around blind there, but when I got outside of there I could see normally.. so maybe it really is an energy issue.

-Harrif

Hello irishmyste!

..And welcome to the forum, I hope that you enjoy this site as much as I've enjoyed so far.. and so on!

Even though you already got welcomed by yourself, another welcome never hurt anybody! Nice attitude there, i like it!

So you are quite the veteran already when it comes to spiritual quest. Did OBE play a part on your spiritual quest from almost the start, or is this a more recent thing for you? Reading a lot of the subject is always good, a fresh perspective can get the pieces to lock in place for you, even if the same texts did nothing for the next guy. It really seems to be quite common that people get disturbed in the early (and why not later) OBE tries.. although your perception of it is quite peculiar, but so the whole OBE thing if you think about it...

"look forward to the day when I AP voluntarily and work towards mastering it as I feel I have many, many things to learn"

Don't we all. Hopefully reading those books and getting the 'keys' got a big step forwards towards that goal.

See you around the forum!

-Harrif

Hello MrMikesName!

Yeah, your experience sounds pretty much right, how it is for most people, just before exiting the body. At least for me, that's the way it usually happens. I didn't quite understand how you ended up looking yourself in the eyes.. but if I'd have to guess I'd say maybe you already projected and looked your projectable double in the eyes? Or had just an partial projection, where your consciousness projects outside your body.. anyway, if you didn't project, you sure was close to it.

I'm really glad to hear to when a skeptic gets this experience, you may be the first I've encountered myself.. having discussed of the phenomenom so many times with sceptics and they always deny it without experiencing or any first hand knowledge about it, it is just getting old. I've always said, learn it yourself first and after that deny it if you want, and I'll give your arguments much more weight after that.

Even though experiencing it, of course, doesn't make it "real" in a sense of physical reality, it does make it clear that it isn't just normal active imagination, or some blurry vision etc. It is something else, and when you get to experience it often enough, and learn to control it well enough, it just is as real as physical reality.. sometimes even more real, than 'real'.

Happy to hear that you got this experience before you gave up on this subject, hopefully your motivation and newfound 'feel' for the experience will provide you many more OBEs to come. It really can be frightening at first, but you will get used to it and learn not to be scared of the weird things which are happening once you get the experience over and over again.

Congratulations!

-Harrif

First of all, it would be better to AP from seated position, rather than laying down. Mostly because it's hard to fall asleep from seated position(your head tips down or to side, waking you up if you do fall asleep), but as many others, I usually do AP from laying position, because I don't own a suitable armchair and even if I did, I'm too lazy to find the time for a serious try. Still, thought it worth mentioning for serious practitioners.

When laying down I AP from my back. This is because when I started training AP I couldn't fall asleep on my back, I always slept laying sideways. Therefore laying on my back kept me awake so I could give AP enought time for me to succeed. These days things are different and laying on my back is pretty much the only position I can fall asleep, I've trained AP so much that I've gotten too accustomed to this position. Still, I also do my AP tries on my back too. I find it difficult raising energy and manipulating energy body when laying on the side.. now more than ever I think I should get that armchair. Sleeping and APing from the same position is counterproductive.

-Harrif

Hi BrainStrom_wow!

I would guess that the only meaning in this, is to scare you from achieving OBE, which it accomplished at that time too. I've had many entities trying to mess up my OBEs(with quite good success rate), especially the earlier ones. They don't seem to like when people learn to control their OBEs, because it makes them weak against you. Once you can get out of your body, and control your OBE, most negative entities are unable to do anything to you. They can only run away, scared, so they'd rather see you afraid of them and abandoning the OBE tries before you have any chance of getting out of your body. I've felt a presence trying to scare me off of an OBE try, when I felt that the devil himself must be in the room(really, I think I've never been so afraid), but as I layed the scared ****less I started seeing through my closed eyelids and saw that the 'devil' was a little black puff of a cloud, which wasn't quite what I expected. The entity noticed that I can see it, and seemed alarmed and fled away.. I actually was amused once I saw the entity.. "Here's my itty bitty devil's puff". So there really isn't anything to fear except the fear itself. They try to use the fear of the unknown to their advantage, and we always seem to imagine of the worst if we don't know what's going on. These days they don't seem to harrass me so often anymore, and usually i've been able to drive them away with a prayer or some mantra.

Well that would be my guess, my advice would be, that don't give up. That's probably the only thing that they want.

-Harrif

Well, the vibrations are just one part of the process. If you have lost this ability to 'get' the vibrations, I'd think that you just have to learn it like the rest of us have had to. Read on the subject, do the exercises, practise, practise, practise. It is important to read alot of the subject, so that OBE will be a lot in your mind and also reading about the subject will keep your motivation high, which is one of the most important things also. Chances are that you have a lot easier time learning this than most, if you've spontaneysly gotten the vibrations many times before and can remember how they feel.. so you know what to look for, and how to not freak out once you get them already. But still, I don't know any shortcut to vibrations, you'll probably have to start from the beginning and see for yourself which is the right way for you to get them.

Here is one good guide to AP: http://www.astraldynamics.com/tutorials/astral-projection/index.html you may want to start reading and practising. Good luck!

-Harrif

I'm not really convinced that anything will happen. Skeptics point here would probably be that there has always been prophets of the end of the world, each claiming that world will end a few years from now.. but so far they all have been wrong. The little skeptic in me thinks that this time will not be any different.

But, there are some convincing facts around this time. The Mayan calender ending being one of those. Their accuracy has been so amazing and our 'educated' researchers still seem to learn new things from it, or new things which have been in the calendar all along.. is there a reason why it ends 2012? Other than that, there are a lot of other things too. I've read some channelings from over 10 years ago, which seem to point about the same time as a time of great change, a crossover. Although they didn't mention the 2012 by year the timing seems to be right. Of course these channelings could have been manufactured with the end of Mayan calender in mind.

If something will happen, I haven't convinced myself what that something would be. There are so many stories going around, each one from more 'reliable' source than the last. Many have almost the same story, with different twists. One claiming the other source a liar, or recommending one to do just the opposite as the other and so on. There is so much fuzz about this thing, that I wouldn't be surprised if something were to happen, but if nothing does happen I won't be too disappointed.

My view of this subject is, we'll see when/if it happens. There is some time left still, so maybe we'll get a lot more information personal and objective as the event gets closer. Still, interesting times.

-Harrif

Well, everything is possible, even Robert Bruce being a tv-shop kind of a seller. Although I don't personally think so, why? Because of the many things I've either first experienced / seen myself and then read the same things from his books or the things I've read from his books and later been able to confirm myself. It's the kind of credibility for oneself that you can rarely get from anywhere. If you think about many researchs, science 'facts' and most part of things which are taught in schools.. they are just things which have no personal meaning to you, you just have to take someone elses word that they are "true" without ever being able to confirm those claims yourself..

I'm sorry, but I didn't have the time to watch that youtube link which you put, there were so many parts that I don't have the time now.. maybe later. Anyway, the claim energy doesn't exist sounds weird at first. The common consensus seems to be that everything is energy, and that energy can't be destroyed, only transformed. Although, it makes sense to claim that there isn't energy if you take it to next level. If everything is energy, and there is nothing that is NOT energy, then energy can't be something that is found anywhere, because it is all that there is. If there isn't separation between it and not-it, then it's all, thus not something else than anything. Am I making sense here?

Because it is all that there is, it could be referred as a god, but that would still be a metaphor to ease the thinking. I don't know if my reasoning there is any good, but in that sense there really isn't any separate energy which is outside of yourself because all is connected, but because we are used to living in a world of separation (there are opposites to everything, which makes it possible for us to perceive the differences), it is easier to grasp a concept wrapped in this theme, although it really may not be of it. So, labeling energies as different qualities/quantitys/colors/sounds/feels/locations etc. makes it possible and easier for us to perceive, use and manipulate that which is.

-Harrif

Well lying or not. Anything I'm saying isn't the ultimate truth, these are just things I've convinced myself of, thus being the truth of my life. Spinning the spinwheel can be achieved the instant you try it, for some. Although I've heard of people trying it for months without any success also. The thing is, if you see someone else doing it, you probably can do it yourself.. at least while the person who first did it is around. Which of course raises the question which one is really spinning the wheel.. but for me it took about 30mins to get the spinwheel spinning after seeing it first irl. After the person who showed me this went away and I tried it by myself, it took maybe few hours to get it going again. People who haven't seen the spinwheel spin seem to have harder time achieving it.. so it might be benefitial to look youtube videos on the subject if you are interested in training this.

Although telekinesis is said to be the hardest esp skill to learn, that's the only one I've done. These days I can't spin the wheel anymore because of lack of training.. I've lost the 'touch' of it. I really have a hard time believing that just anyone could learn telekinesis so well that it could be useful in every day life, at least without committing his/her whole life to it. I could imagine one could learn to move objects such as glasses or maybe even chairs, but as it takes great deal of concentration and time, and isn't really reliable(varies a lot from day to day). It just isn't really practical in every day life, but it is a flashy party trick non-the-less. Or just tangible confirmation that telekinesis is real.

Still, even though I haven't really tried much clairvoyance, telepathy and such abilities, I believe that they are easier to achieve and more useful in the long run.. so I'd start from those, if you would be really interested in learning some esp stuff. One good place to get some information and guides to esp techniques is: http://www.psipog.net/

"The dots always come one at a time. I also see those swirly white things (mabye dfferent than what you guys mean.); interesting explanaton though. I've alway thought they were these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floaters"

Ah, they are called floaters.. these are the 'artifacts' I tried to explain earlier, as one "trick of the eye".. didn't know what to call them though. So thanks for that link.

But the air-prana looks like tiny little white dots, consistently as perfect round(dot) shape with irregular flight pattern. And they seem to move in small bursts.

radman32: That sounds interesting. There seems to be so many of perceiving energies.. and it's hard to tell if we for example are perceiving the same thing in a bit different way, or maybe it's different level of some energy. Anyway, what differentiates us from ancient times and masters is perhaps the education we get. We are taught not to believe or not to make these things part of our daily reality from our very youth, essentially brainwashing us out of our options. Well, most of us anyway. It may be hard to break such conditioning, especially in an environment which tries to preserve it.

-Harrif

I really don't make what to make of your dots NotMarkk. Haven't heard or seen anything like those. Especially those white lines and that rectangle sounds interesting. Eyes can play some tricks and maybe some of the black and grey dots could be from this category, but lines and rectangles doesn't sound like that.. so maybe neither are the dots. Maybe they are your perceptions of some kind of energies or entitys? Do you lot's of these dots when you see these, or like one at a time?

However what dotster described is familiar to me too. From what I've read those white things swirling around in the air are air-prana. Which is quite the same as chi flowing in the air if I've understood correctly.. they are just using different terminology in different cultures. Do you see those only with your peripheral vision? I just recently have seen these white swirling dots couple of times now, and I can look straight on to them, and even focus my vision on them. So I can be pretty sure they aren't dust or anything because of their flight pattern and appearing/disappearing.. and I don't believe them to be tricks of the eye either because of the same things. If you get 'artifacts' in your vision, as everyone sometimes do.. the kind of blobs of different color, they seem to move with your vision, staying in the same orientation from the point you are looking, so you can't directly focus on those if they aren't right at the middle of your vision.

-Harrif

Hello Timandra!

Your experience sounds like an OBE to me. It is very similar to many of my OBE experiences, so I would be pretty sure it was an authentic OBE experience. Gonratulations! Feels great doens't it?

And I also must gongratulate you on your great willpower and clear thinking on that part that you did leave your OBE short and willingly returned to your body. Chances are that if you hadn't done that, you wouldn't have this experience. Or rather, of course you would still have it, but wouldn't remember it, which is as good as not having it at all. Now that you have successfully astral projected, it might be useful to plan ahead how you are going to spend your next OBE. Make it short too, but maybe you would want to accomplish something, like walking through walls, checking someone from your family and then returning your body.

Usually when I project, I first try to make a short run around the house and return to my body, and then re-project for a longer trip. I rarely remember anything from these longer trips, but it serves as a practise on concentration.. not to mention it's immense fun, when you happen to remember something of those. Maybe most benefitial would be a series of short projections if you are able to re-project after returning to your body.

Once again, gongrats Timandra!

-Harrif