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Ryuk,

Man I'm with ya.  I've been practicing for what seems like ages now and have yet to be able to have a consciously willed out of body experience.  It hasn't happened for me yet.  I've had lots of OBE's from a sleep paralysis state, but have NEVER had a consciously willed OBE...ever, never, ever, never. 

I've been a skeptic for a long time concerning what these experiences really are.  I've been having lucid dreams and OBE's for years now.  The truth is that I don't feel any different that I do now during these episodes.  I feel a sense of being...a sense of experience...an sense of being in the experience now, just like I am having right now as I am writing the words that I am typing for you...but then I wake up.  I always wake up.  I wake up and say, "wow, that sure felt real".  I have memories of my travels just like I have memories of my every day life.

trying to make sense of this 'feeling' this 'experience' is the main reason why I am a part of this forum...there is something very real about my obe's and lucid dreams...I'm just trying to figure it out...if you get any insight(if ANYBODY gets any insight)let me know...drop me a line.  I'd love to hear from you.

Dustin The Hermeticheretic

nickspry and CFTraveler,

I am pretty confident that I have not yet separated...and yes, CFTraveler, I may be panicking a bit.  The vibes feel like they are sucking the air out of me, so I may be unconsciously fighting against them.  nickspry, I never loose my flow of consciousness.  I'm doing a lot of my attempts during my 2 year olds nap time.  He goes down for a nap, and I phase.  I have a cell phone next to me(ringer off of course)to check the time, and there is never any lost time.  I have continual memory of my entire meditative state, from the point that I lay down through the relaxation, all the way into deep trance with full visual memory of all the movie-like-projections running across my minds eye and even the auditory and visual hallucinations that occur right at the vibe state. I'm able to bring on the vibrations, but they are so short, and so fleeting that I'm unable to use them to project...

CFTraveler, you hit the nail on the head last time, I'm going to try your advice again and just try relax into the vibes...try to prolong and breath through them enough to be able to attempt an exit technique during them...

nickspry, I'm going to be extra vigilant in verifying whether I'm in a physical or astral state.  Most of the time when I finally quit and decide to get up, it takes no effort what so ever, I simply sit up and get out of the bed(I often feel groggy, like I just woke up from a 5 hour sleep, but I get up without any struggle, effort, or astral travel), which is why I am convinced that I have not yet achieved a consciously willed  out of body state yet...

thanks guys,

I appreciate you more than I can possibly ever express with words,

Dustin

Okay gang,

My first post was on Oct 13. As I stated, I'm fairly familiar with the trance state, and phasing comes pretty natural to me.  I've been practicing phasing now at least twice a day, once in the morning when I get up and once at night before I go to sleep.  I've been practicing my NEW body energy stimulation techniques before each session.

I took CFTravelers advice and when I get good and deep into trance, rather than allow my mind to chatter at me(wondering what technique I should try, trying to stay focused and not drift too deeply into one of the images racing across my minds eye, trying not to pay attention to the sounds in the room such as air conditioner unit, computer fan, etc)I focus intensely on the ringing sound in my ears.  CFTraveler called it the 'earhiss'.

Well for the past three days, when I've been focused on the ringing, I'll hit a state where the ringing will suddenly get intensely loud.  I'll start to hear all kinds of sounds, traffic noises(I live in the woods there is NO trafific), voices, dogs barking, wind blowing, typically random sounds all around me, yet at a distance.  Right at the moment that the ringing sound is the loudest, I get a jolt of energy that feels like an intense body-buzz starting in my chest right below my throat and a bit above my sternum, and right at my ears and eyes as well.  It radiates out in a pulse through the rest of my body like a concentric circle...like wwwWWWOOOOOOWWWWMMMM!!!!  As it's "wowming" in it's outward pulse it also feels vaguely constricting, like it's going both directions at once.  It almost feels like it's squeezing the air out of me as it's radiating outward throughout my body(so far the buzzing vibration has stayed mostly at my upper body)...like it's "wringing me out", but at the end of my exhale, when I go to inhale again, the extremely intense body-buzz stops. 

I have no doubts that this is the infamous "vibration".  I've heard it explained that it's like electricity but without pain, and that is a great description of what this feels like.  It is unbelievably intense, and at the end of it, my heart feels like it is trying race out of my chest.

I can generally get myself to feel this intense vibration two or three times per session, but it's fleeting.  It only last for a split second at the end of an exhale.  I have to will myself to hear the ear ringing louder and eventually it starts(after a while, I can't get it to go any more...probably because I'm trying too hard now).  During the vibration my eyes will often completely bug out and start fluttering and jumping around in my eye sockets, they're closed of course, but the sensation of my eyes fluttering along with the body vibration, and loud, loud, LOUD sound of the ringing and voices, and stuff, is very distracting. It's hard to stay completely calm when all of that is going on.  I don't freak out or anything, but after that happens I'll find that the experience has created tension in my otherwise relaxed body.  I'll have to re-relax my neck and shoulders again, to try and bring that sensation back on.

While the sensation is happening, what am I supposed to do?  When all of that is going on at once, I don't have any time to practice an exit technique, not only because it's so fleeting, but mainly because there's now so much going on in my body that I don't really have much control over my conscious attention...I'm just 'there'...experiencing it.  Should I try to extend the period of the vibration? If so what should I expect?  Should I try to get it to include full breaths(exhalation AND inhalation)?  If so, how?  Should I try to get the vibrations all over my body?  If so, how?  I'm tensing up when it's happening without knowing it, should I try to keep that from happening?  If so, how?

Suggestions for me at this point?  Expert opinions?  Emotional outbursts?

Dustin

Very cool.  That's exactly what I needed.  Stookie, you confirmed for me that I'm on the right road, and CFTraveler, you confirmed that as well, PLUS you reminded me of one more marker to search for.  I completely forgot about the auditory and visual hallucinations that can occur right before projection from the waking state...

Again, Thanks guys,

hermeticheretic

Hello all,

I'm pretty new to the forum but not to astral projection.  I've read a lot of your posts over the past few months, but only became a member very recently.  I've been having spontaneous OBE's for years now, most of them happen either after I go lucid in a dream, or more commonly when I wake up in sleep paralysis(which happens to me often throughout a year, sometimes twice a month). I've read many, many books on the subject, including the Robert Monroe collection, so the Frank Kepple phasing resource was really awesome for me to read.  

Two years ago I purchased the Robert Bruce and Brian Mercer book, "Mastering Astral Projection", I practiced faithfully(kept a dream journal, morning and afternoon energy body exercises, daily affirmations, practicing exit techniques, etc) for about 54-55 days(around the point shift method in the book) before I eventually petered out.  At the time I worked in the banking industry which was then on rocky ground, and ended up loosing my job which put my attention elsewhere for a while.

Well, all that being said, over the past couple of months I've been having spontaneous projections again, which has renewed my interest in achieving them consciously from the waking state, but I'm having a couple of issues that I'd like a little help in sorting out.

First of all, just so you know, I've never stopped the NEW techniques of energy body stimulation.  Two to three times a week, I practice stimulating my energy body using the sponge method starting at my toes and working my way to the tip of my fingers and the top of my head, making sure to stimulate all of the larger energy centers at my joints and major chakras and then sometimes bouncing or spiraling.

So here's what I need help with:  The idea of phasing comes pretty naturally to me.  I read over Major Tom's "focus 10: mind awake/body asleep" thread and feel that I understand most of the markers for a true mind awake/body asleep state.  I start by focusing my attention into the blackness just beyond my closed eyes, in a matter of minutes I've already phased considerably from my physical body to my inner eye seeing all sorts of pictures and visions like a movie real is now running at fast forward through my minds eye.  My limbs all feel heavy, like they're made of lead, and distant.  I don't really feel them any more, just slightly aware of their heaviness.  Because of my experience with NEW I can do a quick all over the body check to see if there is any remaining tension...sometimes I hold a teeny bit of tension around my eyes, but as soon as I become aware of it, I can easily relax all of those muscles.  My breathing at this point has become very steady, and I've passed the point where I am continually wanting to swallow every few seconds.  And this is where I stay, often for more than an hour.

I'm not able to move deeper than this.  I seem to stay at a point of relaxation that is still very aware of the "outside world" or C1.  I can typically still hear the refrigerator going on and off, the fan on my computer coming on and off, and I always stay very aware of my breathing, and sometimes my dry mouth, yet most of the rest of my body is virtually asleep with almost no sensation whatsoever.  I am very removed from the physical world, but not yet deep enough to induce any AP technique.  

Now I want to you keep in mind, that I am VERY familiar with sleep paralysis.  I KNOW how it feels to have my mind completely awake and my body completely asleep.  When I "wake up" in sleep paralysis, I rarely if ever have any problems using the rollout or floating methods(sometimes I can just simply "sit" up in my astral body and walk away) to project, my problem is that I can't seem to put myself into that state from a waking state.  I get close(I think), but I never go so deep that I'm in sleep paralysis.  When I try to induce the sleep paralysis I always get "stuck" at the point where my body is ALMOST asleep, but I'm still very aware of the physical in the room around me...well, I can still hear whats going on, even if it's just the heat pump kicking on outside and the sound of the air movement through the air conditioner vents. The sounds fade in out, in that I am more aware of them at times and less at other times during the meditation, but typically always somewhat aware of those sounds.

It's a long post, I'm sorry, but I'm almost done....

Now at this time, I'm also very aware of my inner world.  My mind is conscious, and aware that my body is mostly asleep, it is also aware of the movie screen in my head, AND of the tiny little sounds going on in the room around me.  At this point I've tried many of the exit techniques from the book...rope technique, ladder technique, floating technique, tvo's rolling-like-a-log technique from a post here on the astral pulse, all to no avail. I get just as much results as if I'm trying those techniques from a completely awake state, I can't even feel my astral body at this point, because I'm still aware of my physical body and it's heaviness.  I'm obviously not deep enough yet.  

So for the past few weeks(almost every evening, sometimes when I wake up in the morning, and two or three times each weekend during the day), instead of trying exit techniques I've been trying to get myself deeper into trance(from a fully awake state), but every time that I go just beyond that hyper-aware-of-the-sounds-all-around-me-yet-body-almost-completely-asleep state I loose my awareness.  I don't go fully unconscious or asleep, but I loose the fact that I am aware...I'm "gone" for a period of time in that there are no thoughts at all, not even a thought to try to attempt to project.  Sometimes that "gone" just means that I've become to active with one of the pictures crossing my mind...but I'll eventually *snap* back into my meditation where I am aware that body feels mostly asleep, no sensation in my limbs, and so on, and I'm aware of my breathing(chest movement, rhythm of breath, etc), but still not able to use any of the techniques and still not really in a full blown sleep paralysis level of trance.

I've tried Robert Bruce's climbing down a rope technique, smoke ring technique, ladder, elevator, steps, feather, techniques and none of them have been able to drop me deep enough to exit or phase completely out of the physical.  Any suggestions on how to get deeper into trance without losing my awareness?  Please?

Dustin the "hermeticheretic"