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Hey Adrian,

For your information: the link is broken!

Cheers,
Peter:)

Hello,

Today I had an obe, and a question came to my mind.

I am blind in all of my obes, or, to be more precise, all that I can see is (just a yellow lemon tree []) pure blackness. I tried to get my sight - asked for it, and nothing happened.
As far as I know, the first projection is made by the etheric body, when it separates from the physical one. I think, all of my obes was etheric projections. Is that possible? [?]
Could you, please, tell me how to go further, how to project into the real time zone from the etheric body?
Could a weak energy system cause this etheric projection?
When you project (both with consciousness and half consciousness), is the etheric body which first time separates, or you got into your real time body at once?

Thanks for the answers []

Pe-

P.s.: see you on the astral plane []

Hi!

I have read Journeys Out Of Body, and I would like to buy the Far journeys and the Ultimate Journey. (If my mind doesn't cheat me, these are the correct titles. Does anyone have them?
Could anyone buy them and send me?
I cannot order them, because amazon.com doesn't accept my credit card.
If anyone could help me, please answer me - you can write me an e-mail

My address is buki@freemail.hu .

Thanks in advance

Take Care, Pe-

Hi

I have a not-fully conscious obe yesterday. I practiced awareness breathing, but decided to have a sleep instead of practicing, because I was tired a little bit. After one hour of sleeping I became conscious, and I knew that it was a time to try to "break out"
After I successfully projected out of my body, I had the usual sight problem, but raised some energy and I could see something.
(Without sight I "felt" where am I, but I didn't see anything)
I flew far away from my body (more than 10 meters), but thus I was not fully conscious, the experience mixed with dream elements. (I am _sure_ that I was out of my body - felt vibrations, floating, etc)
Well, the question: does anyone know any technique making the mind fully conscious? I was sleeping before the experience, my body was sleeping during having obe. I tried to control my breathing, but it was so hard for me at that time.
Thanks for reading, and for the advices

Pe-
Peter Buki
Hungary

Like itching. Don't pay any attention, and it will be gone in seconds.

Take care, and have a success with obes

Pe

Hi, folks!

Once you opened the door of obes, there is no way back, you can not get enough of them. Could call it OBE-dependency [^]

Anteus, I think you are completely wrong.
> It seems to make me tired.
If you can reach trance state, you will have a good sleep,
8 hours of good and well resting sleep in 2 hours.

> It requires energy.. Why waste energy on this?
Yes, actually it does. But there is no limit of how much energy
you "waste". Here the "waste" word losts it's meaning.

> Information can be obtained otherwise: through meditation/dreams/people.
> It may pose risk. Why to take risks???
What risk are you talking about?
Risk of ascension? [!]

I think you are simply not as patient as to take the lectures []

Have you read Robert Monroe's books?
I am sure that there is nothing can tell you the way it works, because you are blind, and you don't even want to hear about sight.
I hope you know how I meant it.

You are right in one thing: it could be an escape - all time wondering on how to get out of the limits of the physical world. All of us have been out of this system for loooong times. Actually, there is no time, so the time word loses it's meaning, also ... []

Well, take care, and have a success with your life! [xx(]

Pe

P.s.: it was good to hear from a hungarian guy, but these thoughs lead you nowhere. If you allow me to tell you my opinion.

Hi Naturechick!

Well, the itching is one of the main symptoms of reaching trance state. Do not pay any attention to it, it will disappear in some minutes.
It means you have success, just ignore it and the vibs will come!

I hope I could help you []

Take Care, Pe

Dear Inguma, and others,

Do not forget that time-space is only an illusion. It makes the learning system successful, and faster. By the way, I think that the person who can have obe at will does not need any proof. OBE is not for the physical world. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile_wink.gif" border=0>
Even if you would project for the x billion-trillion money, when you start having them, you will be not interested in any way in the money. Just try it out! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

Take care, Pe-

Hello http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

It is not a problem that you are a deep sleeper.
During oobe you don't sleep, it is only your body what is sleeping ;
Your conscious mind must not be asleep.

This is why the meditation is one of the important ability to develop in
the early times. You have to find the best method for you.
A simple exercise:
try to concentrate at a point, for example, find a point on the wall to
concentrate at it. You are successful, when your mind doesn't go away.
The main point is to think about _nothing_.

Suggested literature: Robert Bruce - Astraldynamics.
Doing energy works helps you even if you cannot stay conscious for longer time. If your energy system is well developed, you will experience spontaneous oobes.

Take Care, Pe

Hello! http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/images/icon_Smile.gif" border=0>

This is not a real reply, it would be a new topic, but I didn't want to open a new forum topic for this.

I read about this technique about a year ago, I almost forget it, but yesterday I tried to use it. The technique's main point is to feel that your physical body and your astral body has their own vibrations. It is hard, but after you start to tune the two frequencies far from each other, you will  feel as you get closer to the trance state. The important is to feel as you tune the two bodies from each other. What you will feel is the difference between the frequencies. We can also call them "vibrations".

My problem with this method (can be named as "vibrational method") is that as I imagine this, (Imagine is not the best word for it, I should use feel) my muscles starts to tighten. It is made by my mind, not by the trance state ...

Try out this method, even if one person can project using "vibrational method", my post is successful.

Anyone knows the solution to my problem?

Take care, Pe
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Hi

Thanks for the replies, Jo and Mobius!
I have looking for these books in Hungary for two years.
I didn't find them in local nor state libraries.
Bookstores are also checked without any result.

I have found the first hungarian book about the topic.
Yep, there is only one about aps written in hungarian.
This is sad...

Thanks for the tips, I checking at the Monroe Institute.
Take care!

Pe

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The internet address of Monroe Istitute is
www.monroeinstitute.org
(not com)

Edited by - Pe- on 04 April 2002  11:53:57

Hi!

Telecaster: as I experienced, the vibrations always present when you go out of body. Some times later you simply don't feel them, but they still there are. Just try to find the vibs, you will be able to focus on them.

The most hard ability to achieve is staying conscious during obes.
It makes easier if you practice energy raising.
( http://www.wisdomsdoor.com/wb/hwb-mpe.shtml )

Have luck

Take care, Pe-

Hi!

Congrats, boys! That was nice
The experience you wrote sounded very familiary for me, because I had my first obes from a dream. I had dealt with obes a lot (during the day), and my mind continued to work on the topic after I fell asleep, so I had my first obes with unconscious mind. Yes, it is true. I was absolutely (?) unconscious. This is why my obe reports are mixed with dreams. I guess that though you can achieve some kind of consciousness with the method you described below (TimeWalker), but it is not enough for conscious projection. You lose your consciousness for seconds, and after some moments, you fall asleep.
The best method is to achieve trance state. Well, it is hard, but you must fight for the ability of conscious projecting. The required exercises: energy, clean surface mind, patience
Practice, practice, and experience!

Pe

Hi again )

Sorry for the post, I forget to answer Qui-Gon Jinn's question.
(and on the other hand, it makes one more post for me )
I am dealing with oobes for four years, and I haven't had any induced conscious oobe. (started when I was 16) The topic has made lots of changes in my views. After a month I had my first obe, it happened on a warm sunny afternoon. My etheric body was projected out, I didn't have any sight, only feelings. At the last time (two weeks ago) I got some kind of sight, but it was not perfect.
Well, as you can see, it is not a natural ability. Hm, yes, it is, but the nurture creates lots of problems. It is sad, but the people don't learn to sleep consciously, the process of getting asleep is about to lose your consciousness. It is ridiculous, isn't it?


Take care!
Pe

Hi!

Thanks the welcoming, Adrian
The perfect method (for me) depends on the circumstances.
My favorite method is to lay down for a minute, just relaxing and enjoy the flow of thoughs. After one (or more) minute(s) I can feel my body is getting asleep, sometimes I reach trance state by one minute. (when I am tired) I still have problems about the silent mind... how to say. (checking in AD) - Clearing the surface mind.
I often lose my consciousness due to this missing requirement.
I guess there isn't any perfect technique, you have to experience the best method for _you_. It can take a period of time, sometimes years.

See you on the astral plane!

Pe

Good morning/day/afternoon/whatever!

I have never used rope technique, because I never need it. As I remember, rope technique is a tech to get out from the body. In trance state I can simply go out. Just imagine that you are out of body, and you will be successfull.

Take care!

Pe

Hi

I also prefer not using pillow, though, I have had only unconscious oobes (during afternoon naps, so I used pillow those times). When I am about to consciously reach the trance state, I don't use pillow, as I experienced, it makes hard to relax my neck.
You create your limits, if you learn projecting with use of a pillow, it could be impossible to project without a pillow

Take care, and have successful obes

Pe-

Hey Mozia!

It is quite possible to loose your consciousness for 20 minutes.
I cannot get to the trance state any time, when I have sleep deficit, it's very hard to stay conscious. You have to experience the best time for projection yourself. It's funny, but I have had only unconscious oobes - when I reached the vibrational state, I went out of body fully unconscious. It is possible, but I didn't enjoyed it, because I had dreams and obes mixed in my memories...
You should practice meditation, it could help a lot!

Cheers
Pe

Hey

I guess the twitchy/fluttery feeling you felt in your heart chakra is
one of the usual symptoms called vibrational state. By the way, how many oobes have you had? I have had about ten, and I don't feel vibrations - to be honest, I feel them, but they're out of my sight, I ignore them, though, when I want to focus on them, I can do that without any difficulty.
The expansiveness is due to the trance state - I believe. I often feel it between relaxing and going out of my body.
During any kind of projecton you have full 'sight' of 360°, if you don't have, you are just limited by your conscious mind

See you soon, Pe