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I kinda wanted to touch on this one part of your post...

Quite honestly, in my experience, Astral Projection isn't relevant to any higher purpose.
At least not in any way which the average person practices it. ....

...Does Astral Projection have it's place here then?  For a person who isn't interested in ego-goals, then yes, it certainly does, but very few people in this place (I'm including myself here) are there yet. 
There's simply too much work for people to do spiritually for themselves in this physical reality first.

What I found through Astral Projection is why we're here experiencing this physical reality and getting PAST the need to Astral Project is a big step in that understanding.  The "want" is still there, mostly because I have yet to work through my own ego-issues, but the need for it has long evaporated.

Thank you for that great reply!  I am here to learn, open to ideas & concepts especially ones that can expand knowledge and remove wrong interpretations / understandings.  I request you to elaborate on, "ego-goals" and when you said, "There's simply too much work for people to do spiritually for themselves in this physical reality first. "

I am not asking what spirituality means in general but, what does it mean in the context of your reply?

Also, please expand this: "What I found through Astral Projection is why we're here experiencing this physical reality...".

 Well, that was my cue.  Perhaps, I've overstepped on certain social norms.  No hard feelings (no pun intended).

I am in no position to contradict you or anyone for that matter about what is the "correct" way or what "barriers" should be put or removed.  I jut offered my own opinion and some related findings to encourage OP to research further and make own decisions.  

With all due respect, I am compelled, to disagree with your cited example of MMA fighter.  This fighter having sex before a fight has nothing to do with the energies I was discussing.  Physical fight requires physical strength and that is not the same as spiritual/etheric/Prana energies.  To digress a bit, this same fearless strong fighter can be scared senseless say a bat comes into his house (Just for an example).  So, physical strength has it's purpose in PR.  Beyond that, I'd guess not much use.

And, the fact that it is not 1950s now is an accurate observation. However, please allow me to point out that learning, "gravity is a force that pulls two objects together just because they have mass" did not change the way things fall to ground before or after Newton or Einstein.  Rudimentary example perhaps, you get my point.  All I am saying is that there is an advanced understanding that's been passed down by some people on this planet and we would be foolish to discredit and ignore it's values without proper understanding or pre-conceived notions and biases (of which one can fill in the following ______).

Further, I must say I admire your signature, "The partial becomes complete; the crooked, straight; the empty, full; the worn out, new. He whose (desires) are few gets them; he whose (desires) are many goes astray."
This alone conveys concisely, the meaning of my many words!  

Lastly, if one's goal is to AP and that's it, then yeah, do what's best for that.  OTH, if one views AP is a minor but relevant part of higher purpose(s), then there are other things to be considered as well.  I, for one fall into the latter category when examining my true aspirations.  People like me may not be privileged enough to find a true enlightened Guru to sort out all of our life's mess, dissolve pending karmas and teach the correct path for us.  Some are born lucky and I am not.  So, why am I on this forum? Because I recognize that AP activity is related to spriituality and can be a means to an end.  For me, being able to AP is a milestone and "could" serve towards my higher goals.  For a long time, I've ignored this forum until I realized that the two are related and now trying to chop the figurative "tree" from the other side, if you catch my drift.

To the OP:
Once, there was a famous saint with his young disciples walking and come across a stream of water.  The bridge was simple a tree log.  Also, there was a beautiful young woman waiting there to cross the stream but she was scared of falling.  Seeing the saint, she requested his help.  The saint asks a disciple to empty a pan (they carried books wrapped with the pan over their heads) and he asked her to sit on it, lifted the pan over his head and carried her to other side and resumed as normal.  The young disciples packed books back in the pan and followed him.  After sometime, one curious disciple asks, "Dear Guru, seeing that you practice strict celibacy, isn't it wrong that you carried that woman on your head?".   The Guru replies, "I left that woman after helping her cross the stream, but you my dear student, are still carrying her!".

HINT: It all starts with a thought!

For what it's worth,  let me share what I read and my own personal experience.
The accomplished or enlightened masters of yoga indicate that preserving fluids is important in spiritual path.  What "spiritual" means to you and the next guy can be very different mainly because the word itself seems like a catch all phrase.

I like to think of this:  if you want knowledge of launching a rocket into space, you would not go to Ford motor company or Chase bank for example.  Instead, you would want to seek help of NASA or SpaceX who have the know-how on such matters.

Likewise, the eastern yogic masters from India (FYI, Buddhism is from India) had this knowledge for thousands of years. If you would, Forget today's opportunists and fake gurus that ruined reputation of spiritual science laid down by true masters.  Anyway, they said, in Vedas (ancient texts) that "ojas" is important in spiritual path.  Here are couple articles that shed some light on this:

https://thesevenminds.wordpress.com/2012/11/15/veerya-semen-the-vital-fluid/
https://sformula.wordpress.com/2016/08/31/semen-is-the-power-and-energy-of-human-body/

After masturbation, one could sense the immediate lowered feeling of energy.  If you rarely do it, you may not notice but frequent "discharge" will show it's effect.  Also, the same reason after sex, male wants to sleep.  Now, one could argue that it is due to physical exertion.   I would like to point out that after exercising in the gym, most don't feel like sleeping (sans beginners maybe, in fact, it is quite opposite, you feel energized and strong) but not the case with sex; experienced individual also feels that effect of discharge or "spent".

There seems to be (varying for individual) a period of time when this "energy" builds up and forces one to release.  Of course, exposure to sexual material will result in increased frequency to release.  I tracked for a while and for about a month plus, I was able to keep away but later on, the thoughts etc., "pull" my mind.  Also, after holding out, i felt "confident" that I am "over" the physical desire only to find out how sadly mistaken I was!  It is immensely difficult thing to gain mastery over sexual desires.

Further, the more you hold out and conserve, strange tests come to break your resolve.  You may simply feel strong urge and masturbae.  If you get past these, the energy you "radiate" begins to have an effect on females and you might presented with sexual opportunities. This is a personal experience of mine long time ago.

Apparently, this is also one of the energies that helps in Kundalini rising (For normal spiritual aspirant).  Releasing keeps one "grounded" in the physical plane or keeps one lowering back to physical.

In summary, anything excessive than intended purpose will take it's toll and show it's effects.  Consider that it is for procreation purpose and keep a watchful eye on your emotions and desires.  Having said that, would it hurt spiritual progress?  I am not a master and can share what I found /know.  It is up to you to find out for yourself.

Start with a journal and keep track of activity surrounding this topic.  Soon, you might see a pattern.

The one thing I rarely read about people's NP experiences while consciously aware, aka as Phasing is, the need to "walk themselves back" to this physical focus. I find that when you are truly deep in a Focus 12 or let's say a "deep trance" state, that you can't just turn it off instantly. You need to return the way you came. That tells me that it indeed is all about changing frequency waves. If I end a session and just open my eyes, I will either experience vertigo or be completely disoriented for the next ten minutes.

I am currently using FRANK'S run down with Gateway Wave - F10 audio.  Initially, just listening didn't make any sense until I started to put the run down together with it.  Does it get me all the way to F10?  Not sure.  Perhaps a beginner to intermediate level of F10?  Most likely. 
It's been couple months since I started practicing and making serious effort so... yeah, I still need lot more practice. 
Anyway, I used to practice coming back to C1 in the run down after Monroe calls back.  In between, I stopped this practice and, when I am not making progress (unfortunately more times than I wish), I just lay there and sort of let it all "fizzle" away or come back slowly to physical by focusing on moving a finger or hand first to come back to PR. 
Last night, someone was shaking me to get up and I quickly shouted, couple mins please.. and performed the walk back scenario.  It does make a difference.

I am going to read on this "doorway technique" and do the 6 point focus as you mentioned and post my feedback.

There are two ways you can go about consciously Phasing. The first is quieting the mind and just noticing. The second is keeping the mind busy with other things, while the natural shift occurs. I have found ways that take advantage of a active mind. Ways that actual produce spontaneous results. These results are a result of "mental associations", that everyone has.

What you said above is a gem for me(for my current situation)!  It helped in clarifying the methods -which I was a bit confused about.  Also, without knowing the difference, I performed both in recent past with unique results.  I suppose the days when mind chatter is too much, the active technique can be quite useful and vice versa.

I used to use Bose noise cancelling headphones as well and never had a problem with them. It could be a "placebo" effect though, lol!  You don't need headphones for Isochronic Tones, like you do with Binaural Beats.

The placebo part is something I thought about as well because some days, it doesn't do anything!  Other days, I notice my mind undergo a upside-down like shift and come back up with more clarity very quickly.  Maybe, it has to do with my state more than beats but, I have to say they do seem to help.
You are right, Isochronic Tones don't need Stereo headphones.  But, from what I gathered, Binaural beats are better at this.

Thanks for the reply and pointers!

...your PR body is just a thought away and can be distracting.

Distracting is a kind word.  There are times, I'd be getting deeper slowly and realize that I snored, immediately some physical correction takes place by the mind and depth is lost.  This took many many attempts to get comfortable (still not 100%) and try to proceed.  Of course, then the snore sound itself starts to become a distraction.  

A couple comments about Focus 10: I will plainly admit that I am no expert on F10. I used the Monroe tapes and CDs for many hours and could never get deep enough.

It is also the same case with me.  After few times of Monroe "waking" at the end of session when I was just starting to make some progress, I got tired of it.  So, I edited the audio file and deleted the end portion of waking instructions completely.  Then, I copied the waveform that is in between F10 and waking instructions, few times over so, that the whole file gets extended.  This helped tremendously.  Now, the audio after the wave stops without any call back and I just keep practicing.

I only discovered F10 as a result of going from the NP BACK to a Focus 10...and was I amazed! There I was, completely aware within my skull! and realizing that my PR body was completely asleep and snoring! At first I thought I had to stay quiet and kind of tip-toe around inside my head. Within a minute I had realized that I could scream at the top of my NP lungs...and not wake myself up! It was so cool! This was F10 I realized. or at least the extreme form of it; there may obviously be degrees to it.

That's is really cool!  Reading your experience, I remember couple sessions, felt a "phasing?", kind of like a 'topsy-turvy' like feeling -which I think is the brain wave changing (could be wrong) and immediately there was that clarity in mind.  When this happened, I remember not feeling anything except that I was in my head.  Really loved it but, couldn't stay in it too long to explore further.  Of course, my experiences are not as in-depth as yours (hopefully, one day...) but, it is amazing.

Anyway, my point is that if you are in what you think is F10 and you are still pulled back by PR issues (breathing, heartrate, etc.), then you still need to go deeper. And honestly, you may have to move deeper only gradually, so don't fret about it, you will get better with practice. Personally, I get my best results with the WBTB technique. ...

I totally agree with you and clearly see the need for more practice.  Of course, the nature knows when and how to get me "there" but, with PR demands, spending 2 hours in session just to move a 1/4 inch deeper can be, and it is, an eye opener to my wishful thinking.  Some sessions are so wonderful, deep, with crystal clear imagery and I think, the next one will be even better only to find out I can't get rid of the physical nags like minor shoulder or neck pain etc., and that session is scrapped.  

I think the WBTB is what I need to focus more on as well.  My close-call to conscious AP was using that.  I will continue practicing a mixture as you suggested.  More the better right!

Also- IIRC, the Monroe Hemi-Sync signal is negated by noise-cancelling headphones...just sayin'.

That irritated me, 'cuz I laid out like $400 for those Bose suckers...

I am not sure if Hemi-Sync signals get negated by Bose noise cancelling headphones.  At least in principle they shouldn't.  I read the Gateway's Hemi-sync manual and it talks about "noise-reduction" such as "Dolby" noise reduction for cassette tapes.  That removed the "hiss" from program audio and attenuated some high frequencies.  

Noise-cancelling headphones actually use microphones to "listen" to outside noise/audio and feed an "inverse" of the same noise/audio and that's what "cancels" the noise.  The program audio feed (through Bluetooth or wired) i.e. Hemi-sync or music etc., should not be altered in anyway within the headphones themselves.  Anyway, I will contact Bose to confirm this.  

In my experience, they seem to work perfectly fine, with the added bonus of drowning out fan noise or other outside noises.  I bought these (Bose Q35) specifically for Hemi-Sync use and sometimes I wonder if I'd make this much progress without them!  The old ear-bud style headphones were too annoying, and uncomfortable in ear after prolonged wear during a session.  

Ideally, one day, I'd like to be able to not use any of these.  But right now, it takes too long to get there without them (tried... so, I know ).

...This is generally what we refer to as "front-loading" an experience, or carrying a pre-conceived expectation into an experience. It can be a kind of mistake, but it could also be a lesson unto itself, if not for just that reason alone, or maybe others. No NP experience should be discarded without some consideration; lessons may be found weeks or months later. That's also not to say to get lost in over-analyzing everything, just stay open. Sometimes a dream IS just a dream...sometimes it's just a form of house-cleaning...

.... My "Fieldtrip" experience occurred as a deeply buried dream/experience that I barely scribbled a paragraph on, back in 2011. Late in 2013, I felt the need to lay down and meditate on the scant memory of it and a torrent of new memory gushed forth, what I realized was what Monroe described as a ROTE or maybe it was a download of sorts.

Well, I learned a new term, as you said, "front-loading".  It makes sense as the dream content fits logically to the logical brain and of course, the correlation immediately jumps out and gets categorized as such.  Incredible!  I am learning that it is not just learning so much about topic(s); it is a way of being and thinking that also needs to be adopted to make progress.

I am writing down as many dreams as I can remember.  Some, I forget / miss altogether.  However, there is one dream that I had 15+ years ago and I still recall it as if it just happened!  Somehow, I feel there is big lesson or "uncovering" of truth that will happen in future, related to this dream.

Thank you for those kind words EscapeVelocity!   There are a lot of people here with more expertise.  I am just a beginner in numerous ways.  In any event, I really appreciate the recognition and encouragement!

Regarding the process being slow you said, "This is kind of like trudging through 3 feet of snow for 2 hundred yards or even a mile".  I found this analogy interesting because initially, the "desire" to AP is high after reading and wanting to experience.  Later, things slow down as reality sets in and it becomes more of a practice.  I didn't mention before but very long time ago, I've experienced OOBE couple times and both times, I was very afraid of what was happening and didn't know what to do.   

As far experiences, the ones mentioned are in fact my own and anything otherwise would've been cited accordingly.

The lessons part you mentioned is something for me to think about seriously.  Your insight is true; I began to feel that some past to recent "misunderstandings" are unwarranted as they are clearing through recent dreams and interpretations.

I find it somewhat difficult to know whether particular content of a dream is based on what I am reading/experiencing in PR or if it is "genuine" lesson so-to-speak.  For example, a variant dream of a meeting that took place in PR.  Wouldn't that be just my mind spinning itself over the event/details and a continuation in the dream?  As you said, anything can be a lesson if we look through those lens.  Sometimes, finding what to learn is a difficult task indeed and it may be missed altogether.

Regarding hands through walls experience, I guess what I wanted to understand was, why that particular act stood out as very strange when the biggest act of projecting itself was deemed so normal...  I suppose that is "my" experience and couldn't expect another person to comment...  maybe, I was hoping to hear that someone also experienced the same...? What I took away is that projecting is something I should be able to do very easily.  And, PR fears, objections and beliefs can and do carry over to dream/astral realms as well.  However, knowing this and putting it in practice are two different things.  In actual AP (like I mentioned before), body tensing and other signals consumed my thoughts.  The need to adjust and accommodate for these events in future attempts is apparent.  All I can say is that there is a lot of work ahead.

Once again, Thank You!

Thanks Karxxx GX.

Sometimes, I feel physical life's pressures also play a major role.  Anyway, will try the random napping and "wiggle" method as you suggested. 

Could it be that my experience(s) happened in a "training zone" -I forget what they called it exactly in that message thread I was reading a while ago.  Will go back and find it.  Also, there were some posts with similar dream-ap experiences.  I'll reread them and see if I can get something out of it. 

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First, Thank You All for sharing your experiences and insights here in Astral Pulse. I am a beginner so, constantly reading and learning.  Long post warning!

I would like to share/get your input on my progress thus far (trying to keep it as short as possible, unsuccessfully..)

Quick Background:
Couple months ago, I read a guide about run-downs along with Monroe Hemi-sync Gateway Wave 1 - Focus 10.  This made sense and I started practice focusing on AP.  Soon, light to medium Focus-10, body numbness, calmness/clarity(which I knew from mediation days) started to come back during sessions.  Few times total body was numb with only awareness of head.

After getting this process into a rhythm, noticed that I'd always "click out".  More recently, I'd end up in dreams.  Started a dream journal to keep track of things since last month.

My sessions start like this:

• Prayer & Affirmations.
• A full body tense/relax exercises.
• Wave-1 Intro to Focus-10 audio using Bose noise cancelling headphones. 
• Mental rundown to coincide with Monroe's instructions.
• Noticing blackness, and becoming involved in the imagery.
• ^*On most sessions: lose awareness/lucidity >> sleep or "click-out??" >> dream.
• ^*Wake up (usually around 2 hours later) and write notes.

^*This happened repeatedly for few weeks/sessions.


One night after practicing breathing etc., felt what could be vibrations and a sudden shift in body position.  Unless, I imagined this whole thing! , it had to be my second/astral/etheric body(which I'll just refer to as Astral Body for simplicity). Left shoulder went a bit "under" the pillow/mattress... in a nutshell, some part(s) of upper body felt out of alignment.  To seize the "opportunity", tried rolling over, stretch/extend arm techniques.. didn't work, whole thing ended in few seconds and I opened eyes.. END of Session.

Another night in a deep state, decided to use frequency technique and "increase" frequency of Astral Body which triggered vibrations immediately.  But when I try to move the Astral hand or exit, ended up moving physical hand/body >> loss of deep state >> wide awake.  Many similar attempts (with different exit techniques) end up moving physical body parts instead.  END of Session(s).  Not sure if my timing and/or conditions were right...

Couple weird experiences:  One night, left arm just moved a little by itself and fell back down like someone picked it up and dropped it.  The next night, right arm did the same!  I maintained a calm attitude and suspect that these could be just energy movements.  -Must say the second time around, a thought/doubt did cross my mind if some entities are doing this... silly. anyway, didn't feel fear or think much further.

Fears. Well, came a long way and it's still a work in progress but, the realization that courage, love and empathy can overcome them is helping tremendously!!! 
I Thank the higher powers and Guides and think that everything is happening as it is supposed to and Truly feel that I am being gradually introduced to one feeling/experience at a time (you'll see what I mean).  I affirm that I'll be patient and persist on the path no matter how much or how little is gained.


Here is where things get interesting:

DREAM-1:
Few days ago, I had a dream and I was trying to project within the dream!  I don't consider this a "lucid" dream because I was NOT aware that I was dreaming.  Anyway, this is all in the dream:
I was with few people I knew and at some point, I lay down to project.  I hear a Siren like sound with increasing loudness/volume gradually.  Also, I saw a white energy like lights? or grouping of erratic white lines shaping to a ball? in the third eye/brow area.  Someone was waking me up(in the dream itself) and I woke up feeling frustrated with that person. END of Dream.
Soon after, there was an actual physical disturbance (unlike the waking just mentioned) and I woke up in physical.
END of session.
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DREAM-2:
Two days ago, another similar but important dream.  Again, going by what I understand what a Lucid Dream is supposed to be, I just can't say it was a lucid dream because I didn't gain lucidity in the dream or become aware that I was dreaming.  Anyway, This is super confusing for me, so please remember: until you read "END of Dream", everything below happened within the dream itself.  Currently, physically, I live in a house.  Here is the dream:
I was in an apartment and went to lay down in a bed to project!  I was fully aware that I was making the AP attempt!  After sometime, there was that same "Siren" like sound in my ears with increasing loudness and I knew that I just had to rollover.  I did and landed softly on the floor.  Then the "perspective" shifted --to a 3^rd person/camera view (like I got out of the Astral Body? or, the body laying in bed saw the exit???)-- and whichever "I", saw the Full Astral Body's shimmering/glowing edges with a translucent body hovering.  Then, the "perspective" shifted back to normal as in, I was seeing with Astral Body and saw the body in bed sleeping with an eye open and a leg bent in awkward position.  With the Astral Body, put hand through a wall, didn't go through it; instead, I went through a glass window, hovered, moved, explored, and came back.  END of Dream. 

It would've been wonderful to experience reintegration of "dreaming Astral Body" to the "dreaming body" lying in bed, in the dream itself.  Unfortunately that didn't happen and the whole experience was cut short by a physical disturbance and I woke up in physical instantly.   I don't know if any of that makes sense.

Analysis/Observations:
For the "dreaming I" (as in dreaming-self), the act of projecting was instinctive(i.e. when to exit, the act of exiting itself, hovering, moving etc.) and not surprising at all! 
But that "dreaming I" was really surprised at the "buzzing" like sound when dream-Astral hand was put through a wall. 
That was a "new" and extremely real experience to the "dreaming-I".

Question:  If the act of AP is not new and felt intimately known like breathing itself to me, why would "I" (whichever I, at this point) find "buzzing", static like feeling after putting hand through wall be so novel and new? 
Am I correct in thinking: it's because we project all the time during sleep etc., but during natural AP subconscious (or whatever is in charge) never puts hands through walls? 
Silly or trivial as it sounds, nevertheless it still is a puzzling thought considering how much effort I am making for Conscious AP. 

While I was excited about the experience, I felt disappointed that it was in a dream; therefore, it cannot be relied upon as a "solid" experience (I know... you'll say it was all Astral).  Remember, I am trying to achieve Conscious AP.
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Astral Projection (well, almost):
This time, I used Wake Back to Bed method.  Slept all night, woke up at 6 am and tried to project.  As usual, put the headphones on, run down to Focus-10.  Shifted at some point and saw what looked like a big tray of "white clouds and blue sky"(don't ask).  Got curious what would happen if I go closer to them or move them, and as I thought that, the clouds began to "vibrate" and move slightly.  I heard the unmistakable "Siren" come on again and gradually started to get louder!  Not sure if I became lucid during the attempt but, the "clouds and sky" are gone, Siren on full blast, started seeing the white energy static ball/grouping of white electrical discharge like light building up brighter quickly in the brow/Third Eye area.
Realized what's happening and noticed that my physical body (back and neck) is tensing, breathing is fast and also felt that I was lifting up very slowly.  I was relieved that the sound is finally here (first time experiencing in actual AP attempt) and at this point, wary of the ever increasing loudness in ears, remembering to stay calm, focus shifted to ongoing fast breathing.  I must've been worried that I'll screw it up somehow, decided to quickly "salvage" the experience by slowing the breath.  So, I tried to stay calm and deliberately breathed slowly maybe less than 5 times.  To my disappointment, the Siren stopped and couple seconds later, I was wide awake. 

It all happened so fast.  Although, I would've liked a full AP, I was not completely disappointed and actually, felt a sense of accomplishment that I reached a milestone!  This was not a dream and I was completely aware of the physical unlike the previous experiences / dreams.

Questions:  During the practice of over couple months, I have experienced the "vibrations" and/or waves moving up and down while vibrating.  This is not present in the latest attempt.  Does that mean that I don't get vibrations anymore and my sign post is the "Siren"?

Also, WBTB method may not be easy all the time for me with schedule etc., what else can I do to improve projecting consciously?  Is practice the only way?  I guess I am trying to find something/anything that I might be missing.

I am open to any questions.  Please help me understand and become proficient.

Lastly, Thank you for your patience in reading what could be a small book.  I appreciate it!