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Would you believe in Astral Travel, if you couldn't do it?  
Or.  
Would you/do you believe in Astral Travel if you *can't* do it?

For me.  I wouldn't believe in it, if I couldn't do it.  In fact, I didn't believe in it before I started doing it (which was by accident).  

So, I pass it to you...
Would you believe in Astral Travel, if you couldn't do it?

Hello Everyone.

This is my first post here.  This looks like a great place to be, and learn more.

Its been several months since I had done any Astral Traveling, until lastnite came.  After cruising around some, I thought that I would try to see about my Mom.  The thing is she is on vacation right now, and I haven't heard from her in awhile, so I thought I would see if I could check up on her, or see if she that everything is ok.  I did this by asking for my guide.  As my previous expiriences something was there immidiately.  However, instead of taking me around to see my Mom, he insisted on taking around the universe, and to several planets.  Then he started talking about 'Planet Jahr' (I can see the Jahr Jahr Binks jokes rolling in already)   The thing that I feel is amazing about this Planet Jahr is that he said he was there, and put his hand print on the surface of the planet either thousands of years, or eons before 'They' collonized it! I believe that the planet was/is 7 or 8 times bigger then Jupiter.  This guide was spouting out facts all over the place, and it was quite overwhelming trying to remember all of them.

Anyway, I really wanted to continue, as this was a truly remarkable journey.  However, I felt a little unsure about this guide.  1.  I didn't know if it was a negative entity or not.  I never felt threatened or scared by him (I have before from other negative entities, and am aware of what that feels like).  The reason why I chose to bail out is because he had a kinda dark, rumbly voice, which left me confused, and unsure if it was safe to be with him.

So my questions to all of you are.
1.  Anybody know anything or have heard of Planet Jahr?  
2.  Do you think this guy was my guide?
3.  Do you think he was safe to be with?

I think thats about it for now.  Appologies in adavance for the lengthy post.  

ThanX!

I think mine were very short when I first started.  As time goes by, and you have more, and more, you get better experienced, and are able to stay out longer.[]

yeah, I thought my head was going to explode when I first started getting them.  That is how intense the vibrations were.  I could only explain it to people as an Intense Heated Wind.  Yeah, pretty scary when you first start.

WoW.  Intense.

I have to say, and I say this with all due respect of course.  Were you on any drugs?  I don't think you were, but I haven ever heard of anybody cutting themselve in regards to an OBE.

What do the cuts look like?  You stated a writing or something...?  It sounds like it could be some sort of possesion or something, again, just speculation.

All the Best!

ThanX everybody for your feedback.  I since haven't been back to Jahr.

Thank you Tippa, for your input on the book you are reading.  It sounds interesting, and I will definetly look into it.

As for the 'physical' hand print, as mentioned as above, I also see where you are coming from, could be!???  Maybe not.  I just don't know.  I left too soon.[]

I wonder where the people who don't belive in Astral Travel go?

Interesting.  I thought there would have been more people who wouldn't believe it was really, and thought that we were all liars.

As I stated before.  I didn't believe it was possible, until I was given the gift.  Now that I have done it several times, I have gained so much, and my horizons have broadened tenfold.

First off, I'm not sure if he was a guide or not.  I had not met him before.  He came when I asked for a my guide.  So thats where I was asking for others opinions on it.[]

As for being more specific.  To my knowledge I have not doen remote viewing, or clairvoyance before.  Only Astral Travel.  So, from my previous expirience, I believe that it was Astral Travel, and we were flying through the universe.  Yes we traveled to these planets, and I remember seeing Planet Jahr, and several other planets, that we only briefly passed by.

See it kinda connects for me.  As I have a huge fascination (as I'm sure its safe to say that probably all of here at the forum do) with the universe, its workings, the planets, stars, galaxies, and well...other lifeforms out there.  I find it unreal that people have the nerve to say that there is no other lifeforms out there besides us...Outta the Whole Universe!  So, I think that something out there in the Astral World knows this, and just wanted to show me that there is tons more life out there, and not just us on Earth.

The part that I thought was just so fascinating was that he said he put his hand print there before "They Colonized It".  Like there is something out there colonizing planets.  Wow.  Also, the fact that he put his "Hand Print" there thousands of years before they colonized it is wild.  How could he have put a hand print there?  To my knowledge you can not leave hand prints while you are Astral Traveling.  So this may mean he was a physical being from somewhere else, who may have visited that planet before as a physical being, and left his hand print.

I don't know, all ideas, but something to think about.

Just a tour of the Universe thats all.[^]

Well, if I'm really desperate, I will use the wake up in the middle of the nite technique, which works for me nearly 100 percent of the time.

But, I've been trying to use other techniques before I go to sleep to get better that way.  Particularly, (sorry I don't know the name), where envision sort of a big hand that brushes you from your feet to your head, doing this several times.  This stimulates the chakaras in your body (especially your head), and makes it Eazier to get the vibrations.  Putting emphasis on your head.  Even if you don't make it out, it is still very relaxing, and feels quite nice, and sometimes in unbearable as it tickles.

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Yeah, something like that.  I think what happens since your tired you fall asleep quick, but your heart rate keeps something alert, or maybe 'awake' in your mind, making it easier.  I really hope this works for you, because it is so easy when I do it this way.

Your Welcome.

So Kazbadan, I take it you can not Astral Travel.  Are you a 'Disbeliever', or just curious?  Do you want to learn how to do it?

As for spying on chicks, that is the very last thing on my mind when I'm out.  Once I'm out, I'm stoked, and I'm just like, well, I'm outta here!  And I take off straight into the sky, and just cruise man!  Its the best thing.  First thing on my mind is just flying.  Then once I start getting bored of that I think of something to do.  Lately its been calling on guides to try to learn more.  Point being, there is just so much more stuff to do, then spy on models.

For Astral Sex, I've had it Once.  And it is nothing even close to what our sex is here on the physical plane.  It was one of the most amazing things that had ever happened to me though.  I'm very fortunate to have expirienced it.[^]

I've never tried looking for anybody before (well kinda).  Although, a couple years ago My Mother bought a house, I had not yet been there, and on one of my Travels, I wanted to see her, as I hadn't seen her in a couple years.  So I tried, and I went to a house, a house that I had not seen before, although I didn't see my Mom, I had a decent memory of the house, and what the yard looked like, and what not.  I ended up visiting her within a year after this projection, and the house looked very familiar, and from what I remember seeing of it during my projection was the same.  Even the drive way, and the trees, and yard around it was the same.  And just the feeling that I had been there before.  Very Cool![]

As for finding Saddam, I guess its worth a shot, but don't know how it would go.  What am I going to do when I find him, call 000, (or 911)...[]

This is absolutely the best method for me.  It might be because I started out doing it this way, by accident of course.  

If you are just learning, I would recomend staying up for as long time, maybe near 20 hours or so...(It depends on you), but somewhere so that you are really tired, and can barely keep your eyes open (remember this is for begininers, I know a lot of you don't need this advice)...So stay up for a long time, until you are very, very tired, and can barely keep your eyes open.  Then go to sleep, but wake up maybe 2 hours or so from your slumber.  Stay up for at least 15 minutes, but I would say a half hour.  Do some activity towards the end of your 15/30 minutes of being awake to get your heart rate up.  Make sure you heart is still going faster then normal when you lay down to go to sleep.  The trick is to try to have your physical body try to stay awake longer then your mind, so that when you are begining to doze off, you can feel the GoodVibrations, and begin to split.

Again, it may work for you, it may not, everybody is differen't.  But, I think you have a pretty good chance using this technique.  And with expirience, you can just learn to dial in on what energy is there, and use that, and go from there.

All the Best![]

yes, I hear voices pretty much everynite before I go to sleep.  Sometimes it is just one person...othertimes it is a group of people.  They come and go.  Sometimes I will even hear doors slam as well, which usually startles me, because it is so loud, and so abrupt.

But yeah, I hear them all the time, and believe they are normal.  []

so, did it feel the same as flying in the air for you, or different?

When I flew in, I thought I was going to slow down a lot.  I was suprised that it felt no diferen't, and was the same as the air (for me).

When I was in Cairns (Australia) in 2000, we had a room that was very close to the ocean (pretty much across the street).  I was out flying around, and I went into the ocean, I was flying through the water, just as I do through the air, and noticed no difference whatsoever.  I didn't do much while in the water though, I opted to shoot straight up into the sky.  I prefer flying through space more then on Earth.  [^]  

So yeah, water is very Eazy, but I have never, ever thought of going to the sun.  Probably would just be a big bright light, I don't think it would harm you at all.

well you never told us about the planet. what did it look like? were there inhabitants there?

Yes, he said they were beings there.  I believe he was showing me planets all over the universe that have other lifeforms living there.  As I was saying, this guide put his hand print on the planet either thousands of years, or Eons, before 'They' colonized it.  I don't know what relevance there is to having his hand print on the planet...?  I don't know.  The planet looked similar to Earth.  Its hard to go to detail, as we were zooming through the universe very, very fast.  I remember lots of brown, deserty colours, and water.  Its unfortunate for me though, because around this time is when I started to get a little unsure of this guy, because his voice was starting to scare me, and I wasn't sure if I should be with him or not.  So it was only shortly after that he told me about the hand print, and being colonized is when I bailed out.  One of the last things I remember him saying was this planet had something to do with 'Black Chain', whatever that is.

When I woke up, my heart was Racing, very, very fast.  Like I had sprinted a few blocks.  I was amazed at how fast my heart was beating.

I find that this works for me about 80 percent of the time, its very Eazy.  Again, what was said before though, what works for some, may not work very well, or at all for others.

When/If, you wake up in the middle of the nite to go to the bathroom, or whatever, instead of going right back to sleep...Stay Up!  Stay awake for about a half hour or so, maybe watch some TV, or even better do something SemiActive, like take a walk around the block, or whatever.  Then when you go back to sleep, just lay there, and the energy, buzzing, vibration feeling almost immidiately comes on, once you start to doze off.  And once you get that, just surrender yourself, and Voila!  Works for me nearly everytime.

I first started having these about 10 years ago, when I would stay the nite at a friends house.  We would stay up late, and only get a few hours of sleep.  I would then walk half way to work with him early in the morning, and then Run/Jog home the rest of the way.  I was still really tired from only getting about 2 or 3 hours of sleep, and would fall asleep right away.  However, I think from having my heart rate up from the Run home, helped to keep my mind awake as a I dozed off to sleep.  So ever since then I have had no problems having OBEs with this technique.

All the Best!

I too have cruised around space.  I find it very eazy.  Once I'm out, I just get control, and then take off, straight up like a rocket, and bam!  Out in space.  Very Eazy.  One time I wanted to see how far I could go and just continue going, and what I saw was truly amazing.  I felt very, very small, in comparison to the universe.


Why limit yourself to flying around Earth, when you can go anywhere!  

Just lastnite I had another space expirience (see my 'Planet Jahr' post in this forum).