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Can anyone suggest some good relaxation cds?
thanks

I'm interested in the possibility of AP'ing through lucid dreams. I used to be able to lucid dream fairly easily just by telling myself to during the day, but I haven't done that for a while.

The problem is that nowadays I almost never dream. Well, I'm told that's impossible, but what I mean is that I never remember having any dreams.  If I can't dream then my stepping stone to lucid dreaming is gone.

can anyone suggest any tips or links?
thanks

I've been reading a lot about AP's, but not too much about techniques, mostly just focusing on learning as much as possible about the astral plane etc. I wanted to know as much as possible before regularly attempting APs, which I planned to start on the first of September. I had an experience last night that may or may not have been something.

It's the summer and I go to bed late. For the past few days, my young cousins have been living here and they wake up at about 5 am, leaving me sleep deprived for several consecutive days. Last night was the first time that they were gone. I was extremely tired at 10 pm due to the lack of sleep and went to bed early that day. I fell asleep almost right away. I had all kinds of strange dreams, which is unsusual because I usually have dreamless sleep. I woke up in the very early morning while it was still very dark outside. I was fully reenergized and ready to get up, which never happens to me at such an early time. I didn't want to get up and wake my family, so instead I thought about various things for a while, before deciding to try to sleep a little bit more. It was still dark outside at this time, but I knew it was going to start getting light soon so I pulled down the blinds and closed the door. After falling alseep the dreams returned, but this time I noticed they were  lucid (I havent had lucid dreams for months). I remembered hearing somewhere that it was easy to switch from lucid dreams to AP, so I decided to take advantage of this situation and attempt to leave my body. The scene from my dreams dissapeared, and felt myself leaving my body while I experienced a jittery feeling, but it was mild and not really what I'd describe as violent vibrations. I actually blanked out (couldnt see a thing) for the split second before leaving the body. I found myself right next to my closed door seemingly floating a bit above the ground. Although i wasnt really aware of any body, i somehow touched the door. I decided that I wanted to open my eyes in my physical body and in doing so the experience was over. After opening my eyes, I wasn't sleeping anymore, and my body felt strange. In this stage, I tried two times to leave the body once more. Both times I managed to feel like before as I was starting to leave the body, but I failed both times to acutally leave it. After these two times I felt physically drained. that's the last thing I remember, i must have fallen asleep right after that. I woke up fully enegergized.

I'm not sure what to make of this experience. I believe it may be real because
-today I read a thread that sounded a bit like my experience and I've never seen this thread before
-i never sleep with my door closed, so my subconcious would most likely think that the door was open. it was definitely closed in this possible 'ap.' Also, the possible AP took place in my grandparents' house, where I've been living at for a few days, but I normally live in a different house.
-when i have a lucid dream i know that it isnt real, but this felt real
-the feelings i have in dreams are always feelings that i recognize, the feelings in my body that i had last night ive never felt before.

I believe that it isnt real because :
-im not sure but i believe that the door felt solid. I thought that your hand was supposed to go through it in AP
-it seems too early to have an AP. i've only been researching it actively for a month and haven't made any real attempts
-within the lucid dream it was extremely easy to AP, that doesn't seem right.

Anyone have any opinions on this?
thanks for reading

Hi everyone.
I've been interested in AP for a while... I attempted to do it for a period of time but then stopped. I think it was fear that held me back inituially, but soon after I decided that it was a heavy thing, I didn't know what i was getting into, and that I wasnt ready for it. My interest has resurfaced, and I am once again looking into the possibility of trying AP. If I decide to keep trying this time, I want to make sure that I am better prepared than last time and ready for as much as possible. Though I have read a book and have browsed a lot on the internet, I have a lot of questions that I'm unsure about. While I would post on this lovely forum here, there are so many questions I have and I wouldn't want to clutter anything. If any experienced AP'ers would be willing to chat with me over AIM (Aol Instant Messenger), I'd much appreciate it.

Thank you in advance.

AIM : weird little girl 6

perfect, thanks

I have had dreams every day since

How much time should I spend trying this exercise in one sitting? thanks

thanks for the tips all, they're sure to become more usefull as i (hopefully) become more experienced in AP's. Also, good luck tenacious

I'm currently reading Monroe and plan to read the Journeys out of the Body and Ultimate Journey

Hi again all,

thanks once again for the replies, they were all quite informative. I think that I will attempt to AP, but first I will read Astral Dynamics, at least one book by Robert Monroe (can someone recommend me some?) and I will stick around on the forum to gather as much knowledge as possible. I am becoming more comfortable with the idea of meeting negative entities  in the AP world (I suppose that I expect them at this point), but I am still confused about what I should do if I encounter one on the first successful attempt. Should I try to AP somewhere else ("leave")? Go back to my body? Or attempt to get rid of them myself ? I think that the answer is the last one, but there seems to be conflicting advice on the subject. Also, can I make an effective "shield" before actually having experienced an AP?

I suppose the thing that worries me most at this point would be if the entities  were to follow me into the physical world. After reading several entries on this board it appears that it happens. I am not the type of person that would deal with something like that well, and I'm not too keen on the idea of ending up in a mental instituion with schizophrenia. I'm probably being more paranoid than necessary, but I worry that my fear will make me more vulnerable to such things.

The one book I have read so far is Richard Webster's Astral Travel for Beginners (yep, thats right Kazbadan, same book) and it surprises me how little there is on negative entities when this appears to be a common, maybe even normal phenonemenon. From the book, I gathered that it was a rare occurance. Maybe he didn't include this in order to minimize the AP'ers chance of seeing such creatures? According to this forum, you usually see what you expect.

Kazabadan, thanks for the info on spying on people in the AP world. I checked out the thread that you made, and you are right, it does seem pretty unlikely, so I've stopped worrying about that kind of thing The dizziness you described doesn't sound very pleasant, but maybe it means that you're on your way to experiencing something. Back when I attempted AP on a daily basis, nothing out of the ordinary happened ot me. Like you, I have similar fears about AP that may hold me back Your English is actually quite good, so there is no need to be so modest about it :p I have been able to understand everything you have said so far with no difficulty.

TorosDead, your email address is not visible when I click on your profile, but the forum made it  possible for me to send you an email without having your address displayed. Hope to hear from you soon

Hi everyone,
thanks a lot for the replies

Good luck on experiencing your first AP, Kazbadan! I plan to stay at the forums for a while, so I would love to hear about your first
succesful AP, or any progress that you have made. Maybe you could even share some ideas on diminishing the fear factor

I actually have browsed through the forum, and conducted several searches, but there are still some questions I am unsure about, some especially after reading conflicting accounts. I'll post a few of them, I apologize if they seem silly :-p

- One of the things that scares me about the idea astral travel is that there would be without a doubt people that would use it for negative or "voyeuristic" purposes. This makes me a bit uncomfortable. Are these people able to indulge in their desires?
- Could I meet a long lost friend (still alive, but lives far away) and see them as they are accurately? How about someone I've known but have never met before?
- I read in a book that through astral travel, one could travel into the past, which i find pretty interesting. An example the author gave, was that you would be able to see the first preformance of Hamlet if you so desired. Will it be the real thing, or something constructed out of the imagination? If a person experiences this, will they hear all the lines exactly as they are, or only the ones the person remembers from reading the play? what if a person has never read Hamlet at all?
-I do plan on buying Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics, but his second book, Practical Psychic Self-Defense, also caught my eye. I don't want to scare myself needlessly, but it if it will help me protect myself against anything that could happen in an AP I would like to have it. Would anyone recommend it for this purpose, or should I skip it?

thank you