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#1
Welcome to Astral Chat! / serious problem?
August 08, 2003, 04:52:10
Insert Ok, this is a challenge for all of you.  I am a "disbeliever" in what you all are involved in.  I registered here, trying to find some understanding and perhaps intervene a bit.  If I am insulting to any of you, I apologize, but I am a worried parent.
I have a 13 year old daughter who is really "into" all of what you believe in.  She may have a very serious medical problem, possibly a brain tumor, etc.  She firmly believes in what you are telling her to the point where she won't cooperate and get the medical help she needs.  Her headaches and depression are almost making her suicidal and I am at my whits end as to why "people" are trying to "convince" her NOT to get medical help that could save her life and that she has some kind of "attached neg" that she needs to rid herself from in order to be well.
Don't you have some kind of diclaimer?  Don't you feel responsible for telling "kids" stuff that might lead them to hurt themselves and not seek medical help they need.
I shall await your responses and wait to be enlightened.
I do suggest that people perhaps give thought to the fact that a kid can be very impressionable and MAY really have some serious medical problem that needs attention.  Your advice COULD really affect this person's life.
Don't you tell people that they ought to seek medical advice and not get so wrapped up in this stuff that they think this is ALL there is to life and that they should really allow their parents to help them get medical attention instead of being considered "evil negative influences".
We are talking a kid's LIFE here.
#2
Welcome to Astral Chat! / serious problem?
August 08, 2003, 10:22:40
Thank you all for your responses, actually I think Kromn (sp?) has a good idea, perhaps this thread should be eliminated to prevent her from seeing it and getting further upset.  How is this done, or is my stating this enough?
I am obviously very upset, here, she is "my life" and I love her so very much.  I want her to get medical treatment and to get help.
I get very angry and feel very helpless when it comes to the internet and influences that exist.
The person who made the remark that there are lots worse things my kid could be involved in is right, to some degree.
But, my kid has a twisted view on this stuff.  People can take any information and interpret it in any way.  Life sure isn't easy sometimes.
#3
Welcome to Astral Chat! / serious problem?
August 08, 2003, 06:38:38
My daughter is using these forums, I know this as I check on her internet activity.  As her parent, I have never given permission for her to be on this site, or any other of the sites she may be "on".
She has friends that are into this stuff and they are supposedly reading Bruce's books (she has one herself) and giving her this advice, which they ARE interpreting. Whether it is not the intent that I am not suggesting that some of the things written in Bruce's books are telling them, exactly, not to seek medical help, but kids will come up with their own "things".
My daughter has gone as far as to spread garlic around her room to get rid of "negs" who might be invading her.  She has little signs she has made up with various symbols, etc..  She refuses to take meds that our doctor wants her to take, she is relying on this "advice" to heal her.
Of course, with normal conflicts that exist between parents and kids in her age braket.  This is something she has latched onto as her own personal "psychic self defence".  She uses this material and holds it before her as her guardian.  It is a wedge between she and her parents. She is using this, and her friends are using this material quite seriously. They are believing this vs. anything their parents might do or say, parents who ought to know best for them.

These are teens who may or may not be making up their own interpretations of things.  These impressionable teens are all over the web, particularly during summer school break, and they are bored and absorbing so much stuff, not only from this site, but many others.  I, as a parent, with deep concern, can't control ALL my daughter (she must grow up into an adult who makes her own choices, after all) sees in books, on line and on this site.  I would certainly be considered "an evil" neg influence on her, should I forbid her use of the family computer, which may come very soon.
Kids are kids, they will "pretend" to be 13, when they are really 12 or under.  Kids will "pretend" to get parent's permission to be on sites like this, when they do not have permission.  You and I can't control this, at least not any way I can figure out.
Some parents, like myself, care enough to get software so they can keep an eye on what is going in their kids lives.  We are not evil spys, as my own kid would think.  We are parents who deeply love our kids and want them safe and to help, if they need help.  I mainly got my software so I could keep an eye out for sexual predators, but it really opened up my eyes as to what my kid is REALLY getting into.  
I generally just watch what my kids are doing on line, and don't get involved unless I see a very bad path, which is what she is definately on, in my opinion.
I hope she will come back and bit to US, her parents, and see some reason.  WE are bringing her to a psychologist and we ARE bringing her, even if it is against her will, to a doctor, though she will not be cooperative.
I hope you will all, in your advice to ANYONE on this site, realize that kids take things to a different level than an adult (we hope).  What may be FUN for some people, or a choice that they make, as an adult, can be taken and interpreted WAY TOO SERIOUSLY by teens.
My daughter does not know I have a software program to see her on line acitivity.  She does not know I see what she writes and who she talks to.  If she sees this, she will KNOW, for sure.  But, I take that risk, willingly, at this time.  I am there for her and will always be there for her.  
I hope you all can temper your advice and attitudes a bit when you realize exactly who your audience is.
Sorry if I have offended some of you.

We walk a very fine line, as parents.  If we confront her with her "writings" (that we see with our parent software) and her friend's interpretations of "things", we run a very big risk of "losing her" for good, maybe not in a physical sense, but very much as far as a trust level.  We have not meant to intrude on our kid's privacy with our software and just really want to protect them, we all know that there are some horrible predators out there and it's best to keep kids safe.  So, while I have not found her to be on chat lines getting propositioned, I have found her to be taking this information, information from Bruce's books, and information from her friends and taking this to a very dangerous level.
At any rate, teens and adolescents are really "turning on" to some of this stuff, and lots of other things.  They take what is here, add other things and make their own interpretations, of course.
So, please be aware of just WHO your audience is.
#4
Welcome to Astral Chat! / serious problem?
August 08, 2003, 05:46:02
I see some of you have at least chosen to read this, but no one has dared to answer.  I hope my own kid reads this too, and her friends who are totally wrapped up in this somehow find this and read it.
I feel you are all cowards hiding behind this stuff, trying to get some kind of "rush" from being "the almighty" person with answers to people who WILL BELIEVE JUST ABOUT ANYTHING in hopes of finding a better life, or healing.  I hope you are happy with all the money you have made from selling books and it makes you feel comforted when you think about a tortuned teenager who is in pain and just feels it's a "neg" vs. something REALLY wrong with her.
I am so deeply saddened that my own kid, who is a very smart young lady is believing so much in this stuff that she won't allow me/doctors to help her and that she feels so strongly that this "neg" is what is controlling her life, which USED TO BE A GOOD LIFE BEFORE YOU ALL INFLUENCED HER!
I DARE YOU TO ALLOW THIS TO PRINT HERE AND I DARE YOU TO RESPOND TO ME IN THIS FORMAT.  CONVINCE ME YOU ARE RIGHT, I'm WAITING.
Some people like to have a little "fun" with the "unknown" and can find out a little bit and get some amusement.  I have done the same, especially when I was a teen.  But some people/teens take it just a to different level, and way too seriously.  Some people take information like this and let it run their lives.  BE RESPONSIBLE.