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Ok..understood...thanks for the thought!

Minor stuff, I am all there, something of this magnitude, I am at a loss.

Bloodsong

James Dean...nice car, so-so driver...but..ok..
Do you have any suggestions on a healing spell.  I have a family member who got hit by a car while she was walking in the cross-walk on the street.  Her head hit the curb and she's been in a coma for two months. Her skull was cracked multiple places with severe brain damage.  Presently, she has only minor physical reactions to stimuli, puples are reactive to light, she has minor seziures, and she occasionally crys.  She doesn't communicate, doesn't talk, won't wake up.  The family is at wits ends. Oddly, no other parts of her body was damaged.  The lady who hit her said she didn't see her.  It was around noon time.  Any leads you could offer I would appreciate it. Thanks

Look at the ones that didn't.  Levi, Agrippa, Crowley, Regardie, and the ones still living, such as Lon Milo Duquette and others aren't exactly spring chickens.

Ultimately it boils down to the fact that magick is a fringe culture path, always has been.  Just like all other fringe paths, for example, X-Sporters, the ones most often drawn are the risk takers.  All who take risks expose themselves to the bad things that can happen as a result of those choices.  And no amount of magick can stop the physical detriment derived from drug use, fast cars, fast sex, or big living in general, as in living beyond means, a personal crime committed by a few of the early deaths that you mention.

Bloodsong

I'm talking about great Men.
Alexander The Great,Jesus Christ,Bonaparte,Chopin,Mozart,James dean etc>_>

Good point...but fringe activities always seem to get safer over time (i.e., fewer parachute failures; fewer incidents of condom failure; gun power that doesn't prematurely blow-up; fewer accidents at X-games, etc.) so I would expect magical workings would get safer also. Incursions into metaphysical are realms seem to becomming more frequent (see other sections of this site) so better observations and documentation and sharing information should reduce some of the negative outcomes. I hope it does!  Also, I think Crowley died relatively young. If you look at Rabbi Akiva (kabbalist aka magician) and his band of 24K students it's anouther example of a big time (huge!) practitioner who couldn't save himself or his students (also, I've read that Rabbi Akiva was Jesus teacher and look what happen there).  So more effective research is needed.  Better observations, metaphysical interations and sharing of information can only help.

Look at the ones that didn't.  Levi, Agrippa, Crowley, Regardie, and the ones still living, such as Lon Milo Duquette and others aren't exactly spring chickens.

Ultimately it boils down to the fact that magick is a fringe culture path, always has been.  Just like all other fringe paths, for example, X-Sporters, the ones most often drawn are the risk takers.  All who take risks expose themselves to the bad things that can happen as a result of those choices.  And no amount of magick can stop the physical detriment derived from drug use, fast cars, fast sex, or big living in general, as in living beyond means, a personal crime committed by a few of the early deaths that you mention.

Bloodsong

I would like to know more about magic. So I've been reading a lot.  I have noticed that a few heavy magicians seem die young and I was wondering why their magic didn't help heal them (e.g., Franz Bardon, Dion Fortune, Benjamin Rowe).  I keep my eye open but its interesting that they died so young.  Any thougths?

Well I'd like to comment on this...
The astral matter...as I'm able to discern...is made up of a type of atomic structure that is undeniable with my vocabulary.  It is a substance that is lighter than atoms. It is so subtle, that by looking at it you can move it.  Best way to describe it is like a big cumulous white cloud. It is the fog (just above the ground) you may see in the early morning.  Also, the astral is stratified. We in part of it on earth. So much of what we see on earth has their equivalents on the astral. When you wake up in a dream (lucid dreaming) you see a dreamscape. When you take control of the dream...and firmly state that its a dream...you will see how the dreamscape will dropdown (like a curtain on a stage) leaving only the white clouds of the astral substance. This stuff is so friggen fragile that your subconscious thoughts can be displayed on it (like a movie screen reflecting the movie projection) and you can, if you are lucid enough, alter the image.  So, to answer your question, the astral is a stratified (light to heavy - subtle to dense) living material that reacts to our thoughts.  By comparison, it's like the Matrix or a hologram. We project what we need to advance our awareness of the Source and to grow spiritually.

Could somebody explain why my avatar has shown up yet?
I sent it in twice.  Its the Hebrew letters Mem Bet Hey.
What's the delay?

[You have done what billions have done before you. You have merged your consciousnes with a non-physical reality far from your true spiritual home.]

Hi,
I've been reading a lot about obe a/p etc for a long time and I've been succesful in getting out-of-body 20+ times.  In all I've collected 100+ books, publications, scholorly articles, on obe/ap. I've gotten his first book, but in his second book, William Buhlman produces information that rocked-my-stuff! On page 125, The Typical Transition..., para. #2, he states something nobody talks about..but its 'this' which is at the heart of MY pursuit into spirituality....he writes..."However, there is one very serious problem with with this comforting scenario that few are aware of and no one addresses (HE IS REFERRING TO THE ASTRAL PLANE AFTER DEATH AND THE DIFFERENT LANDSCAPES OUR MIND'S MAKE FOR THE AFTERLIFE SO WE CAN RECOVER {SEE MONROE'S REHAB STATION) FROM OUR LIFE EXPERIENCE AND THEN REINCARNATE - HE SAY'S ITS A TRAP!...TRAP!...TRAP!). I've met Mr. Buhlman twice and sat in his lectureas three times.  He young (40-50) and is very business like.  He continues...You have just accepted and adapted to a thought-conscensus environment on the astral plane. You have just accepted a reflection (As above-so-below) of spirit instead of the true essence of it.   You have done what billions have done before you.  You have merged your consciousnes with a non-physical reality far from your true spiritual home.By doing so you essentially guarantee the continuation of your form-based existence and you reincarnation. The end result is that most people accept the denser spiritual realities of the astral plane as their new home. They settle for and adapt to the physical-like areas of the astral plane because these environments are familiar and comfortable. Thus they chain themselves to the astral realm of form and substance, and the ancient cycle of rebirth is maintained and assured".  

WOW!  Its almost like evolution all over again! 1st we gain lucidity from earth/universe..now we have to gain lucidity from the astral plane in order to advance into our true spiritual form?!!
The final answer seems to be to focus on the Light...don't settle for familiar settings....push....advance deep into the Light..till you run out of steam! Go to the Light!! Bypass the familiar..go to the Light!

I know now...that we have to storm Heaven..like the salmon running up-stream..we have to attack..show intense desire..show worthyness, show lucidity, show total abadonment of ego..we have to plunge into the void (uncertanity) knowing with absolute certanity..that the end is certainly waiting for us..that toil is a necessary part of this process. Finally, from a knowing Kabbalist..."From beyond Time and through all Eternities...The Beginning..knew my Name!!! From nothing...he called me forth...for I was one of his hidden treasues...and in the End..I shall return to the Light".

Anybody know how to upload an avatar?  I tried to follow the prompt at Avatar Legend but nothing happens.

Thanks

I've purchased this book some time ago.  Its a paperback book giving a lot information on doing spells etc.  I'm not too familar with this aspect of metaphysics but according to the book, by applying it's formulas, you can conjure up spirits, animals, evil things, etc.  Some of the information is organized on the pages in frames (i.e., small boxes)and somehow you're suppose to operate the characters (?) by mediating on something in a ritual process.  Its seems like a big production.  Has anybody heard of this book and had any experiences exercising its information?

I saw a cool commercial for GMC trucks the other day. The scene opens up with a crunched-up compressed car/car part dropping from the a beautiful blue sky, and interestingly, I couldn't see a platform from where the object fell from.  In slow motion, the object bounces off the ground of a western-range landscape.  The car/car part then lands in the dirt and bounce up about a 2-3 feet and comes to a full-rest in a large car/car part junk-pile.  One part would fall and then another, and another, and another up to ~20 car/car part falling from the sky and bouncing off the ground into this huge stack of junk.  It was really interesting.  There was no rhyme or reason for the junk to be falling.  The scene immediately changes to an automobile designer who is working at his desk designing, thinking, analyzing, evaluating, and weighing the merits of his mental idea --> picture and then drafting this image on a blank-piece of paper to see how the car/car part should look.  He then pauses, contemplates the merits of his drawing, and then deciding the drawing isn't good enough, he crumbles-up the drawing into a paper-ball and throws its like a basketball into a nearby waste-basket.   As the paper-ball is arching towards the waste basket, the scene immediately reverts back to the original western-range landscape junk-pile, and you see another car/car part falling from the sky...bouncing and then coming to rest in the junk pile.  This recent addition of junk was the paper the designer just crumpled-up and threw into the wastebasket.  I thought this was a great example of spiritual-stratification.   How things happen first in the metaphysical realms then coalesce/condense are materialize as physical objects in the earth realm. As above...so below!

Interesting diagram about various astral levels.  Its a little hard to read, but its clear enough to understand and offers some intersting information.

http://www.kheper.net/realities/Physical/Astral.html

[G_d wants to be revealed!]

10-Emanations of the Divine: Everything that happens physically, happens metaphysically "first".   Everything is energy (reciprocating). The reverberating back-and-forth cycle of energy is the spiritual tissue between the Source and us-has occurred over 7-days of creation. It's our energy-intelligence. There is a receiving vessel (your soul); a Source (g_d); and your ability to choose/moderate the polarity-energy (yin/yang; male/female; 3-column system). The creation of the universe was made possible by a withdrawal of the Light of Creator (Source) which was otherwise present everywhere-pg.15. The reason for this withdrawal was for our sake (our development). We choose (Adam/Eve) not to receive the Light (g_d energy) without earning it (fall from Eden). We cannot receive the full-force of the g_d's Light because of its overwhelming power, therefore, the Light created a buffer to soften it, delay its presention, to a slower/sub-atomic level (cause-time-effect) to better understand it (gain lucidity). So, g_d created this place (our universe/Malchut) for us to get lucid/aware of g_d's existence. G_d wants to be revealed!  Separation=sin(fall from Eden/g_d). We choose not to receive g_d's blessing (Eden) without earning it - hence, this place (Malchut) with it's cold rain and sorrow which serves as the environment to "wake-up" and be aware of g_d's existence. We wanted out of Eden because we wanted to stop the free-ride (recieving for self-alone)-we wanted to earn the energy!
The Source is ongoing.  It always gives. We received it's DNA of sharing.  We now need to share - hence, our desire to be with the opposite energy (+/-).

Today in the newspaper Madonna changed her name to the bibical female name of Ester.  Good move! Madonna is transforming and is an example of someone who has been touched by metaphysical power. Kabbalah or K has been around civilization for a long time.  It encompasses knowledge that Abraham, Moses, Plato, Newton and many others knew and practiced.  In K I found a organization of physics that was personal and relied on me to develop, organize and to connect to g_d.  There is no intermediatiary. It's me and g_d. That's it!  K gave me the tools I needed to understand this and to connect deeper with g_d. My parents died 8 & 9 years ago. I wanted to know where their energy went. I'm not jewish..but after lenghtly searches on the web...I found K and looked into it. I live in LA and visted the K center. I was looking for answers to what happened to my parents.  I knocked on the door of the center..a Rabbi answered, he looked at me and must of reconginzed my pain because he let me in. I only went there because I found the facility on the internet and my instincts urged me to go.  I told him I needed help.  I wanted to know what happened to my parents after they died.  He let me in and sat with me and explained where they went. I was in tears. I can't tell you how much his explanation meant to me because he incorporated reincarnation and metaphysical knowledge into his presentation!  This was new to me. I was raised a Catholic and we never talked about this stuff.  This type of rearing...obviously leaves a lot of unsaid information and questions.  The Rabbi was so kind! In some ways, he didn't seem like a human at all.  It was as though he was a different type of species.  He radiated an energy that quickly cut through my mental confusion and chaos and depression and calmed me.  He had answers to questions that were so deep and complex, but yet...easy to understand.  He gave me clear and useful knowledge and the pain of the loss faded into a type of energy that I could deal with. I've never seen anything like it. I sat in the center for 1-hour and my soul lifted up to a place its never been. The power the Rabbi exercised on me was something I found later that we can do ourselves.  At the K center, we're taught how to generate and direct energy to improve our live and remove chaos. We're given prayers, bibical writings, astrology, lessions on metaphysics, and enpowered to dial into g_d ourselves.  We're told that no intemediatary is needed.  We came from g_d and are hardwired into g_d, and that we answer our own prayers.  Astrology is crutical to understand; that reincarnation is crutical to the cosmic order; and that we are of the earth but not from the earth.  The word Tikune is a close approximation to karma; that energy is the closest thing to 'something'; and that the most Important Text in Kabbalah is the Zorah!   Get it...scan it...feel it.  I think we'll all start seeing a new Madonna. The power K brings into my life is obvious...and it'll have a similar effect on Madonna that will transform her into a very special person. Links:  Kabbalah Centre; Colin Low.

I'm working on a new AP technique.  I use a wrist watch with an alarm function.  At night when I'm ready to sleep, and I want to AP, I lay on my back, with my watch in my hand. My watch has 6 different alarm settings. I set the alarm for four different setting.  I lay down at 10pm.  To prevent falling asleep, I set the alarm at 10:45, 11:30, 12:15, and 1:00AM.  The constant ringing wakes me up if I fall asleep and I can continue relaxing and working towards separation.  So far, its keeping me awake, but after two hours of relaxiation, I have nothing (other than deep relaxiation) to show for it.  I'll keep it up for 2-3 months and see what happens.  I think it holds promise, but I was wondering if anybody has tried this technique and, if so, what was the outcome?

[desires]

I've been interested in astral projection for many years. Although, I've been successfuy several time, I found it very difficult to consciously do.  I wondered why? So I have a theory.  We don't want to return to the astral. or heaven..etc.  We want the hardship of physical wonders.  We hold on to life because the alternative is boring and non-earned.  In the astral, we are a child sucking on are mother's breast. Every moment we can exist in the astral, we're freeloading.  This environment of cause-and-effect we relish. This is the only place where we can slow things down enough gain lucidity and pay our dues.  The astral is too abstract to organize physics into a meaningful model, eventhough, everything we want is there.  We don't have to work for anything.  It's free - but no lucidity is achieved!  My feeling is that we don't want free stuff (free spiritual energy).  There is benefit in working for spiritual energy and the potential it holds.  The benefit is lucidity! Awareness of the One. The One wants to be revealed.  In a sense, the astral is phoney, because it leads no-where. Its a parking lot. There is no consequence to a bad-day.  I can do what I want without regret.  Only on the physical plane, can we organize and manage physics and see the outcome of our actions. Only on the physical plan is there a fast-judgement for bad behavior.  This is the gift!  I do apprecate the life the One gave me.  I'm often remined myself of an important phrase...From beyond time and through all eternity, the Beginning knew my name.  From nothing he called me forth, for I was one of his hidden treasures.  And in the end, I shall be recalled by the Light. In my theory, I take into consideration reincaration. Renewal on an epic scale.  Eventually we'll all begin to string together and remember our past-lives.  It'll piggyback patterns of desires which will portray a facet of ourselves that needs attention and fixing.  Fixing in the sense that once cured, it won't influence our behavior.  For example, human behavior that I see that bothers me is a cue that there is something inside me that I did in this life or in a prior life. It's a action that was wrong and I deeply regret. IT needs correcting (Tikune). As a matter of fact, it bothers me so much, that I need to fix it (psychotherapy)now!  Otherwise it won't go away. Once fixed, I'll be clean and ready to return to the source. Finally, my theory includes "desire".  The only thing different between you and me is desire. I can be female or male in my next life.  The only thing that motivates me is my desire to do so. My desire for revealing the One, defines my existence.  

I hope somebody can comment on my theory.


Thanks

Around 3PM I took a nap.  I fell deep asleep for about 1 hour.  I heard a noise outside the bedroom which woke me up.  I stayed awake for a couple moments to assess the noise (somebody yelling) and then fell back to sleep.  This time my sleep was very light - like I was partially awake.  After about 30 min, I felt a strange sensation.  I felt I was rotating counterclockwise, and also, hanging off the bed. I knew it couldn't be my physical body, because the rotation was 360 degrees and horizontal to the bed. I kept my focus lightly on the spinning sensation, barily recognizing it.  I kept spinning for about 30 seconds. I couldn't see or hear anything during this time, but the movement was very smooth.   I think it was an AP.  Any thoughts? Why did I spin and why counterclockwise?

Thanks!

Hi,
I found this picture on the web last year.  I think its from Europe because I found it while reviewing some AP archived documents in France.

I used to think that I was never coming back to this universe after I die.  Never!  Now, after 50+ years here I see what all the fuss is about. I was able to see because of 2 distinct experiences:  1) out-of-body separation between consciousness and physical body; and 2) certanity that reincarnation exists.  I reincarnated this time to learn and confirm that g_d exists and how to get closer to it. Now I'm working like Robert Bruce and William Buhlman on obeing. I ignore those who don't seem to know what I'm talking about..it's not important.  Its only important that I climb the moutain (take heaven by laborous work (storm)). My effort will be observed by some and that's enough.  I need to drill into g_d...so do all of us.  See Adam Kadmon.  

quote:Originally posted by MakiZero

Don't you want to be something more and not this flawed creature? I get so sick of the illusions and lies created here on earth. Everywhere I look I see mindless people apart of the system that know nothing of the truth.

[Jilola is absolutely right. The light is what we are made of, even ego is light, there is nothing that stands out of the light, so when people are saying remember the light or to seek it they mean remember that you are the light, it is all light, it is all oneness. We are already living in the self (light) imposed illusion of earthly life, astral life is just so an illusion, BUT merging whit the light is an illusion too, because to merge whit the light would suggest that you are not the light now. When you pass and you will end up in the astral, you are going to live a life just like now, or maybe incarnate or transcend, but it is all a game in the light, we are all role players, we just don't realize it most of the time. Its all one play, and the light is all the players. And you know maybe you will transcend the astral, but its no higher goal the anything else in existence, the light is oneness, all goals in the light are equal. (NOTE I use the word light, but you can also call it: Tao, cosmic energy, primal energy, god, consciousness etc, many names point to the same.)]

Where did you get that info from?  We're not made of light. Our souls are beyond that-we're like pure awareness. The light is being emanated from a source..g_d. We don't know what g_d's essential being is (see Rabbi Yehuda Ashlag's Ten Luminous Emanations, Vol. 1, pg 53).  And the ego is something unique to this universe and the lower astral plane (i.e., ghosts-people that got addicted to this world of form-and-substance and don't leave). Re: Merging with the light, its a reference many people cite after NDE and refers to the ambient light that becons us.  I'm saying that the light will guide you to the upper astral (Summerland, etc.) but the upper astral is where souls gather (law of affinity)and some make it their final resting place, because they are unaware that there is something greater for them.  I'm saying the astral is not the end-point; and there is nothing external keeping us from drilling deeper into the light back to the source. See Bulhman's The Secret of the Soul, page 142 on what to do as you approach your last breath. What to focus on...it's really amazing.

quote:Originally posted by Akensai

Jilola is absolutely right. The light is what we are made of, even ego is light, there is nothing that stands out of the light, so when people are saying remember the light or to seek it they mean remember that you are the light, it is all light, it is all oneness. We are already living in the self (light) imposed illusion of earthly life, astral life is just so an illusion, BUT merging whit the light is an illusion too, because to merge whit the light would suggest that you are not the light now. When you pass and you will end up in the astral, you are going to live a life just like now, or maybe incarnate or transcend, but it is all a game in the light, we are all role players, we just don't realize it most of the time. Its all one play, and the light is all the players. And you know maybe you will transcend the astral, but its no higher goal the anything else in existence, the light is oneness, all goals in the light are equal. (NOTE I use the word light, but you can also call it: Tao, cosmic energy, primal energy, god, consciousness etc, many names point to the same.)

Sorry Talon...meant to reference Van-Stolin's message.

quote:Originally posted by BlackTalon

quote:Originally posted by Saints

No Buhlman didn't suggest this. It is my response to Talon's message about his friends. I agree with Buhlman that the astral is an illusion and that Talon should grab his friends when he separates from earth (for the last time) and moves into the Light.

Who are these friends i'm supposed to grab...I don't know these people who's stories I've read on nde's. If you mean family and friend are you saying i'm supposed to grab them out of their bodies and take em with me? heh...As for storming into heaven as you say from the stories that i've read you can't just storm past the threshold, unless your finished your tasks here then maybe thats a different story....and say you die with your tasks finished I don't know what happens then because if they went past the threshold they wouldnt be able to come back and write about it. Although i've read a few where they got to explore the universe and different levels of heaven but thats not too common.

I haven't read the book your talking about but I do know i'll be going towards or calling upon the light after I leave my body other than that I don't really know. I don't know if when you astral travel if it's the same space as the space you go when you die....I really don't know enough about it to guess even.

No Buhlman didn't suggest this. It is my response to Talon's message about his friends. I agree with Buhlman that the astral is an illusion and that Talon should grab his friends when he separates from earth (for the last time) and moves into the Light.

Regarding being Light, yes I suppose we have Light in us, but I think the Light is the medium G_d works with. But it is not the soul. The Light extends from the Creator, but I don't have the slightest idea of His being. Also, the Light is something we 'Restrict'. We choose to let it in. The Light is a noun. We're verbs.

Whatever that means to each and all differs but the truth is that is the reality of us. We can make and express ourselves in many ways, some constructive others horribly destructive, but the Light(tm) people refer to is the real reality of who we are. We disagree!  As above..the Light is the medium. You're verbing as you write your thoughts. The Light is like the emanations of the sun...its there whether we're at night time or day time....it's always there.

quote:Originally posted by jilola

quote:I think Buhlman is right. When you leave earth for the last time, you should grab your friends and pull them with you into the Light..

Is that a reasonably exact quote of Mr. Buhman? I admit too not having read his writings but even paraphrased or inaccurately quoted that sounds way too weird to digest.

quote:Re: "Light is alway there after you die"...yes but even before death, the Light is there. It's us...who put-up the barriers/veils and push back the Light (via ego).

As for the Light (tm) always being there and all that: You ARE the light and so is everything else.

Whatever that means to each and all differs but the truth is that is the reality of us. We can make and express ourselves in many ways, some constructive others horribly destructive, but the Light(tm) people refer to is the real reality of who we are.

quote:Originally posted by jilola

quote:I think Buhlman is right. When you leave earth for the last time, you should grab your friends and pull them with you into the Light..

Is that a reasonably exact quote of Mr. Buhman? I admit too not having read his writings but even paraphrased or inaccurately quoted that sounds way too weird to digest.

Re: "Light is alway there after you die"...yes but even before death, the Light is there. It's us...who put-up the barriers/veils and push back the Light (via ego).

As for the Light (tm) always being there and all that: You ARE the light and so is everything else. Whatever that means to each and all differs but the truth is that is the reality of us. We can make and express ourselves in many ways, some constructive others horribly destructive, but the Light(tm) people refer to is the real reality of who we are.
One should not mistake Light(tm) to be Good(tm) or Evil(tm) or even McLife(tm) that our daily existence gives us the reason to believe is everything there is to us.
We are expressions and reflections of the one and singular existence usually dubbed the Universe(tm) and God(tm) who is also attributed with the copyright to Life(tm). In other words you'se is it.

Go on, kick the baby [] Defluffify me.

2cents & L&L
Jouni

Talon,
I must of read the same stuff.  Yes..that's the type of 'trap' I mean. They hang on to ego and materialism, and try to continue to use their life-experiences on the astral because they don't have the 'knowledge' to push outward to the source. Its like Earth is the ego, the Moon is the Astral Plane..and the Sun is the end-point. Ya gotta keep driving outward. I've listened to many of Robert Monroe's tapes.  He clearly..identifies these astral cultural sites as potential destinations for souls till the regain enough lucidity to plan a new evolution strategy. I suppose we need the astral.  Monroe says the rehabilition/rest/recreation stations were made for man..by man a long time ago.  So..maybe some of us have woken up to this..and see that the waystations are softer continuations of earth physics; and now we need to move deeper into the Light.

Re: "Light is alway there after you die"...yes but even before death, the Light is there. It's us...who put-up the barriers/veils and push back the Light (via ego).  The Light wants to give us everything we need..its the klippot/shells we create by wanting for ourselves-alone (vs Sharing with others) that creates the blocking-veils. Its like one piece of cloth over your eyes, followed by another and another,etc that blocks the Light.  Its there..we just have to recognize its the desire to receive for oneself that's keeping the Light out.
Re: "Life revew..." granted there is a need for those who require on-going ceu's (continuing education units) but for those who have the desire to get back into the source..we need to follow the Light.  Heaven has to stormed (you need to make an effort to get in). It takes multiple reincarnations and then to execute a well laid plan.  Yes..a plan to lay siege to heaven.

quote:Originally posted by BlackTalon

The only thing I can add to this is things i've read from nde's. I've read a few times the mention of spirits being trapped, being they stick around earth or elsewhere unable to detach themselves from either their ego or not being able to let go of certain things.

It seems like the light is always there after you die but not always the first thing you see and sometimes are put in environments which are not too nice...so the spirit/person calls upon the light or their higher power to save them and the light comes. I don't know if this is for everyone but i've read that example a few times.

Then from beyong entering the light I don't really know, seems like it's different for each person, there are alot of similarities though, like life review, and being shown something and shown their future or the universe(s)..sometimes different planets, different beings ect....then from there once you go past a certain threshold you don't come back and I don't know what happens after that.

Plasma..(2nd note) as f/u to the last note i wrote, I think G_D is a sharing type energy that wants us to know 'him'.  He wants to be revealed.  By living on earth..we have a difficult but rewarding opportunity to reveal Light (the stuff of G_d) thereby revealing G_D. Movement slows down to a pace we can observer, analyze (think) and conclude...bringing us eventually to acknowledging G_D. That's why this place was created.  On the astral (see Yesod) its a segment of the process (important, but not a totality) and although you have awareness, its the result of being in this universe (see Malchut) that you had developed it. You come back again and again because its only a blink of time and we learn so much. We repeat and repeat and grow each time.  Each incarnation gets us closer to the light. Each incarnation is very short in duration. On your death bed you will observer...wow my life just flew by...you won't believe it over so quickly!  On the astral, friends will hardly know you've been away.

quote:Originally posted by plasma_blaster

sorry i didnt really read your thing to long i dont really like reading, but u have had over 20 oobe's dang how do u do it i tried that one time it is hard!!

But Van...its not real. According to my reading, we're from the source/g_d.  We came to to toil and thereby gain lucidity of g_d presence and involvement in our lives. I think Buhlman is right.  When you leave earth for the last time, you should grab your friends and pull them with you into the Light..

quote:Originally posted by Van-Stolin

Saints, look, the soul is a mysterious thing.  It probably doesn't matter what you do, becuase if the soul wants to learn more, then it is going to reincarnate no matter what.  I tell you that I can't care less about that sort of thing, as I am going to stay in the astral for as long as I feel like becuase of two astral beings that I meet.

As a child I floated out after falling asleep. I woke up in my astral body and observed the livingroom, parents and activities from just below the ceiling. As an adult, I read how to do it see R.Bruces' technique breathing, relaxing, target, desire, will and boom you can get out.  See other message boards on this webpage about OBEs. There is a lot of stuff.  Desire (huge Disire) is extremely important.  

quote:Originally posted by plasma_blaster

sorry i didnt really read your thing to long i dont really like reading, but u have had over 20 oobe's dang how do u do it i tried that one time it is hard!!